A Gentle reminder to Everyone (stur etc)

Witt78

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

09 Jun 2005 at 19:52 - 41
Quote:
Originally Posted by BE|Dac
Dude EQ2 is out, you are missing out on grindfest 2, a little crack on the side and you can be on your way to an enjoyable game experience.

hahaha or wait you realized its retarded to work at a video game?

I play for FUN.
I got Everquest 2. Graphics are the best I have ever seen on any game. But the game itself was less than Everquest 1. And, yes... The game is a total grind.

So, I too play games for FUN.

My question is... If you play games for fun... But you are here complaining about Guild Wars... Then you must not be having fun playing it. Why are you here? Why post on this forum? Why play Guild wars?

I don't think it's the game that you enjoy... I think you enjoy attempting to get a rise out of people online.

If I'm wrong and you actually feel that there is a huge grind required to get the things you need to compete in this game.... Well... Maybe you should try Quake 3.

Better yet. I think you would fit in on Diablo 2 Open B.NET Yeah. You'd fit in just fine.

-Witt78

Rasp

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

09 Jun 2005 at 19:52 - 42
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aug
Provide all runes, skills and elites for your class combo after completing the game. There's no grind there. You complete the missions with your chosen combo, and you're given free reign over all skill/rune/equipment combinations with those 2 professions.

Right now, you have to partake in quite a bit of grinding (killing the same mobs over and over) to acquire all runes, skills, and elites for both of your professions. Both to get XP, and to try to get lucky and get the drops you need.

I'm actually closer to acquiring all the runes in the game versus all the skills for just my 2 classes, because of how slow skill point accumulation is.
So you think 'ruining' an aspect of the game for the PvE fans to please the PvP fans, is a good solution? Arena Net can NOT please both sides. There will always be someone to complain about a change.


Just FYI, I'm not a bigger fan of either side. I enjoy them both, but you will always have someone to complain. It's ridiculous to see the same type of threads over and over, day in and day out. The admins / moderators REALLY should create some type of "Rant Forum" or something. This IS ridiculous.


Quote:
Originally Posted by sir skulkcrasher
its weird... am i the only GW player out there that doesn't farm or kill bunch of monsters for one rare item? cuz i mostly got crappy setup stuff, but i'm working to get some runes and upgrades for my charater
You're not alone.

Shadow_Avenger

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Stolen Dreams

R/Me

09 Jun 2005 at 19:52 - 43
The Beta Testers are off again, damn, this is going to end up a very hot senseless topic like most of the other post. Damn people who beleive PR actually beleived Bush when he said Iraq has nuclear weapons and that " no way are we invading Iraq for political / Oil reasons. "

I'm glad I haven't played HoH yet, the losers sound like a bunch of whingers and the winners sound very organised. I still don't see why you need all skills though, Some elites are nice and yes but all skills are not needed. Runes I can see helping, having 5 superior runes, 3 vigor and to class related will tweak your build.
Alas you actually make HoH sound like a place for munchkins rather than your average player.
Damn, shame the average player has the majority vote.

Perhaps if A.net put in place a handicap system, if one team has runes and the others don't then either team without gets hp boost or other team has runes nerfed so they dont actually work for the duration of the battle.
Atleast that would stop the bickering about elite rune builds, and if you get whooped its because they where more skillful and better organised than your team.
This would also mean you could play matches with or without runes. It would also eliminate the need to farm for runes. Runes would be a bonus if you had them, but nothing else. This would obviously p*** off the uber elite PvP munchkins though as they wouldn't have an edge it would actually be skill based as intended.

Stone

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

Australia

Sacred Order

E/Mo

09 Jun 2005 at 19:52 - 44
i dont understand why ppl who put more effort into thier chars arent allowed that little bit more advantage, & it also gives something to strive for , whether it be armor, xtra 15 attribute points or an inventory full of crap , what we have here is 2 diff types of players , the "i want it all & i want it now & ill throw it to the corner in 5mins coz bored of it" & those that want to EARN there fame points..

There has to be some incentive to play that little bit harder or compete else who would compete/PLAY at all?
I do think to much competition kills community spirit, so im glad that the traders & other ingame factors keep prices & competition fairly honest & level.

Saerden

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

09 Jun 2005 at 19:53 - 45
Quote:
Originally Posted by Witt78

My question is... If you play games for fun... But you are here complaining about Guild Wars... Then you must not be having fun playing it. Why are you here? Why post on this forum? Why play Guild wars?

-Witt78
because the betas where exactly like the perfect game the pvp players dreamt of?

Sir Skullcrasher

Sir Skullcrasher

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

California

15 over 50 [Rare]

W/Mo

09 Jun 2005 at 19:53 - 46
wow... we got a angry beta tester here....

geez.. just because someone got a opinion different from your lame ass, you have to tell him STFU.. oh is that what you do with every problem you met in your life.. tell them to STFU, for example, get caught speeding by a cop; so do you tell the cop to stick that ticket somewhere else and STFU..

geez...someone is making a comparsion, i do agree that GW is not like Evercrap... but it more like Diablo....

so good day to you BE whatever your freaking name is.... just go play something else and stop this whinning

its weird... am i the only GW player out there that doesn't farm or kill bunch of monsters for one rare item? cuz i mostly got crappy setup stuff, but i'm working to get some runes and upgrades for my charater

ps. you got a really negative attitude BE!!

Stur

Stur

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

Athens Georgia

Outlaws of Ascalon

E/Mo

09 Jun 2005 at 19:55 - 47
Quote:
Originally Posted by Witt78
My question is... If you play games for fun... But you are here complaining about Guild Wars... Then you must not be having fun playing it. Why are you here? Why post on this forum? Why play Guild wars?

Couse if we hang around and whine enough it will go back our way?? It worked for the other side.. lol

no j/k couldn't resist

Aug

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

Maryland

Mo/

09 Jun 2005 at 19:58 - 48
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rasp
So you think 'ruining' an aspect of the game for the PvE fans to please the PvP fans, is a good solution? Arena Net can NOT please both sides. There will always be someone to complain about a change.


Just FYI, I'm not a bigger fan of either side. I enjoy them both, but you will always have someone to complain. It's ridiculous to see the same type of threads over and over, day in and day out. The admins / moderators REALLY should create some type of "Rant Forum" or something. This IS ridiculous.
Unlocking skills for just your chosen profession combination when you complete the game doesn't seem like it would negatively effect the PvE players. Right now, GW is set up so that PvE is the gateway to PvP. You can't compete in PvP until you spend X amount of time in PvE. Once you spend X amount of time, you never have to PvE again.

So reducing X by any amount will have no detrimental effect to those who JUST want to PvE. It will have a detrimental effect on those who want some sense of achievement. I'm one of those people. But I think just proving that you can make it through the entire game would be a sufficient 'achievement' to award people with all skills/runes/upgrades for their chosen combination. If they want to unlock another combo, they need to play another PvE char all the way through.

Witt78

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

09 Jun 2005 at 20:00 - 49
Quote:
Originally Posted by BE|Dac
Yeah your right, and I hope you like minimum wage because people in africa starve to death.

honestly ...............

Wow it doesnt have 2 years of grind yippeeee???????

totally on point and sharp contrast man.
What are you talking about? You are trying to say he's responsible for people starving to death cuz he makes a valid comparison between two games?

You debunk yourself with your own immaturity. I think it is you that is spending too much time on the computer. My friend, you are obviously very detached from the "Real World" or you are too young to have any experience with it.

-Witt78

Tuna

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

Dark Horizons

09 Jun 2005 at 20:00 - 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aug
You don't need ALL the runes in the game, but you do need all the ones for your primary profession.
You're right you don't need all the runes. To bad I have 3 superior soul reaping runes anyway huh? The other problem is I have an odd desire to play whatever charater I want to and not be confined by runes.

Witt78

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

09 Jun 2005 at 20:00 - 51
Quote:
Originally Posted by Saerden
because the betas where exactly like the perfect game the pvp players dreamt of?
So was Quake 3... Let him play that.

-Witt78

Wind

Wind

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

W/Mo

09 Jun 2005 at 20:01 - 52
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aug
The game delivers very little of what that PR statement says.
You mean a company is trying to make money off of me? NO WAY!

Sir Skullcrasher

Sir Skullcrasher

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

California

15 over 50 [Rare]

W/Mo

09 Jun 2005 at 20:01 - 53
jesus... am i the only GW player at level 10 with no runes... not even a minor runes!

dansamy

Chasing Dragons

Join Date: May 2005

Lost in La-La Land

LFGuild

Mo/Me

09 Jun 2005 at 20:02 - 54
Quote:
Originally Posted by sir skulkcrasher
jesus... am i the only GW player at level 10 with no runes... not even a minor runes!
Nope. When I was level 10, no runes had dropped for me yet either.

Shadow_Avenger

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Stolen Dreams

R/Me

09 Jun 2005 at 20:06 - 55
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wind
You mean a company is trying to make money off of me? NO WAY!
ROFL

Saerden

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

09 Jun 2005 at 20:06 - 56
How about pvp players actually unite and TROLL the forums? by not posting at all.

Then all those grinders will have to play the game. Again. And again. And again.

No holy wars on the forums. nothing to break the monotony. Just endless self improvement. By killing again. and again. and again.

Epinephrine

Epinephrine

Master of Beasts

Join Date: Mar 2005

Ottawa, Canada

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

09 Jun 2005 at 20:06 - 57
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aug
Provide all runes, skills and elites for your class combo after completing the game. There's no grind there. You complete the missions with your chosen combo, and you're given free reign over all skill/rune/equipment combinations with those 2 professions.

Right now, you have to partake in quite a bit of grinding (killing the same mobs over and over) to acquire all runes, skills, and elites for both of your professions. Both to get XP, and to try to get lucky and get the drops you need.

I'm actually closer to acquiring all the runes in the game versus all the skills for just my 2 classes, because of how slow skill point accumulation is.
This is a fine solution. It doesn't take that much time to finish the game if you want to. It doesn't hurt the PvE crowd and it allows a PvPer to run through the game, learn the system, then play high level PvP if they so desire.

Fine solution, Aug.

Another would be to simply separate the PvE from PvP. Go ahead, have PvE arenas for fun, but the PvP with all unlocked is a measure of skill, as it involves people playing on even footing.

Witt78

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

09 Jun 2005 at 20:07 - 58
Quote:
Originally Posted by -z|o-
People who never been in top 20 or held HoH consequently shouldnt be talking about what competative PvP is.

Wow! "Being Top 20 in HOH of Guild Wars" is not a game you can pick up off the shelf at your local "Best Buy"

"Being Top 20 in HOH of Gulid Wars" is something that you MUST work for because of the 100 thousand Guild wars players, THERE ARE ONLY 20 OF THEM!

With your mantality, Every American that walks the Earth deserves to spend one week of his life in the White House.

When I get my week in the White House. I'm going to take control of these forums and kick out all the Trolls!

I once heard somebody on this forum describe the PERFECT MMORPG. I think his description is worth repeating here...

The perfect MMORPG is a game where males are males, females are females, and everybody under the age of 18 is a federal agent.

-Witt78

Lament Messon

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

09 Jun 2005 at 20:07 - 59
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aug
Unlocking skills for just your chosen profession combination when you complete the game doesn't seem like it would negatively effect the PvE players. Right now, GW is set up so that PvE is the gateway to PvP. You can't compete in PvP until you spend X amount of time in PvE. Once you spend X amount of time, you never have to PvE again.

So reducing X by any amount will have no detrimental effect to those who JUST want to PvE. It will have a detrimental effect on those who want some sense of achievement. I'm one of those people. But I think just proving that you can make it through the entire game would be a sufficient 'achievement' to award people with all skills/runes/upgrades for their chosen combination. If they want to unlock another combo, they need to play another PvE char all the way through.
Ignoring the troll (Be|Dac) who has inadvertantly spawned an intelligent discussion.

I want to say that I don't think that GW intended for every rune/skill/weapon enchantment to be available to every player. Getting a char to finish the game may result in 2 superior rune upgrades from a different proffesion making you more likely to chose that proffesion in PVP. For example: you go throught the game an E/Me, but the only superior runes you uncover are sup absorb and superior axe...this would make you a decent PVP axe.

Now, if you DESIRE to grind until you find the superior runes/upgrades you want to make the ultimate PVP char of your choice Anet can only assure that there is complete fairness with finding such runes/upgrades. They really can't stop everyone from grinding, but just make it fair and balanced. I think they are doing a great job at that especially giving the runes PVE to help newbies get the runes that are so very common to people with L20 chars.

Lament

Saerden

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

09 Jun 2005 at 20:10 - 60
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lament Messon
Ignoring the troll (Be|Dac) who has inadvertantly spawned an intelligent discussion.

I want to say that I don't think that GW intended for every rune/skill/weapon enchantment to be available to every player. Getting a char to finish the game may result in 2 superior rune upgrades from a different proffesion making you more likely to chose that proffesion in PVP. For example: you go throught the game an E/Me, but the only superior runes you uncover are sup absorb and superior axe...this would make you a decent PVP axe.

Now, if you DESIRE to grind until you find the superior runes/upgrades you want to make the ultimate PVP char of your choice Anet can only assure that there is complete fairness with finding such runes/upgrades. They really can't stop everyone from grinding, but just make it fair and balanced. I think they are doing a great job at that especially giving the runes PVE to help newbies get the runes that are so very common to people with L20 chars.

Lament
Read every quote that has been provided by the "troll". especially read the part about chess. read it again. how long has everquest been out? compare that to chess.

gwden

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

09 Jun 2005 at 20:14 - 61
This game is being ruined by everquest nerds who are interested only in the grind and not what the game was originally made for-- PVP!

Witt78

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

09 Jun 2005 at 20:14 - 62
Quote:
Originally Posted by Saerden
Read every quote that has been provided by the "troll". especially read the part about chess. read it again. how long has everquest been out? compare that to chess.
Make sure you also read the post by the "Troll" that states that comparing Everquest with Guild Wars causes people in Africa to starve to death...

Don't wanna miss that.

-Witt78

Zeru

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

09 Jun 2005 at 20:15 - 63
Actually the people who are complaining about grind are the people who are winning the HoH. The people who are saying grind is nothing or doesn't exist or should exist are thinking that GW is supposed to be just another wow, eq2, or l2, without a monthly fee. Sorry but you're wrong, and to make it worse, you're arguing with the alpha and beta players who have seen this game in it's true form, how it was meant to be (again, based on the interviews and pr statements).

This new trend of updates is just unveiling the curtain of what GW was supposed to be like originally and the people who for some reason though it was just 'another mmonrpg' following suit of all previous are disappointed. But unlike the group before who were basing their wants on how the game used to be and how the devs originally intended the game to be, the vocal complainers now are just basing their wants on how previous mmonrpgs were and how they want they game to be. It's not hard to see which has more validity in this case and apparently the devs have seen that too, which is good.

Both times, the people clamoring for change were a minority. The former time, the minority was of those who either played in the betas/alphas and knew the game at it's best or had already reached the point where the grind was massive and were well ahead of the rest of the majority. Now the minority is of those people who enjoy spending hundreds of hours trying to get elusive items to be better than someone else who didn't spend those hundreds of hours. Saying that only one was a minority is plain silly.

Witt78

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

09 Jun 2005 at 20:16 - 64
Quote:
Originally Posted by gwden
This game is being ruined by everquest nerds who are interested only in the grind and not what the game was originally made for-- PVP!
I can't help but notice that every forum thread that Gwden has opened on this forum has been locked within 6-12 hours of creation.

-Witt78

Saerden

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

09 Jun 2005 at 20:18 - 65
Quote:
Originally Posted by Witt78
Make sure you also read the post by the "Troll" that states that comparing Everquest with Guild Wars causes people in Africa to starve to death...

Don't wanna miss that.

-Witt78
He is a mere mortal. a messenger of truth.
at least, the fact alone that this forum is filled with complaints from those who want farming, grind and pvp advantages to stay is a good sign that this game is at least moving in the right direction. There is nothing wrong with grind, nor with everquest. But GW was supposed to be different. You dont build your "character" in chess.

Tuna

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

Dark Horizons

09 Jun 2005 at 20:20 - 66
Quote:
Originally Posted by Witt78
I can't help but notice that every forum thread that Gwden has opened on this forum has been locked within 6-12 hours of creation.

-Witt78
I can garuntee with 90% accuracy that threads are locked because people make posts that don't contribute to the discussion.

Yamat

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

San Diego, USA

09 Jun 2005 at 20:20 - 67
Quote:
Originally Posted by gwden
... and not what the game was originally made for-- PVP!
Says who? There was me thinking it was designed for both... oh, but that was marketing hype, and we all know those marketing types lie to get you to buy their stuff... but, hold on, wait up... did I just see a PvP Arena at Ascalon? And, what, Yak's bend? Wow, they're springing up everywhere... HoH... Tombs...

[Directed at everyone] This game is for both PvE and PvP, which means neither one will be perfect. Live with it, or go elsewhere... you're supposed to be having fun, not yelling and screaming.

Epinephrine

Epinephrine

Master of Beasts

Join Date: Mar 2005

Ottawa, Canada

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

09 Jun 2005 at 20:22 - 68
Quote:
Originally Posted by Witt78
"Being Top 20 in HOH of Gulid Wars" is something that you MUST work for because of the 100 thousand Guild wars players, THERE ARE ONLY 20 OF THEM!

With your mantality, Every American that walks the Earth deserves to spend one week of his life in the White House.
-Witt78
You make no sense overall, but the point is that some seem to be content winning more than they lose. This is the kind of person who is happy in the 51st percentile.

I wouldn't sit down to play chess with someone who said "I've been playing for ages, so I get to start with 4 more pawns and an extra rook." I don't care how long you've played, if you want to pit your skill against mine it's on equal terms. That's the point of competition.

If the competition is not on equal footing, it isn't a test of skill. It may be skill-influenced, but it isn't really testing skill. If you beat an olympic swimmer in a race because you got to use flippers it isn't really a victory, and the same holds here.

For those of you who like PvE and play MMOs, that's fine, you should enjoy PvE. For those who play PvP and want fair competition, about skill, as was advertised for years, we deserve equal footing. Not just those who don't have the gear, but those on top too - they deserve the chance to say that their wins WERE fair, that they had better teamwork and coordination, and not have their victories sullied by the fact that they have skills and items the other team lacks.

Tuna

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

Dark Horizons

09 Jun 2005 at 20:27 - 69
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yamat
Says who? There was me thinking it was designed for both... oh, but that was marketing hype, and we all know those marketing types lie to get you to buy their stuff... but, hold on, wait up... did I just see a PvP Arena at Ascalon? And, what, Yak's bend? Wow, they're springing up everywhere... HoH... Tombs...

[Directed at everyone] This game is for both PvE and PvP, which means neither one will be perfect. Live with it, or go elsewhere... you're supposed to be having fun, not yelling and screaming.
Its obvious that the enitre skill system and game mechanics are designed first around PvP balance and then for PvE. However, what Arena Net considers this game to be is still a mystery

Saerden

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

09 Jun 2005 at 20:28 - 70
Quote:
Originally Posted by Epinephrine
Not just those who don't have the gear, but those on top too - they deserve the chance to say that their wins WERE fair, that they had better teamwork and coordination, and not have their victories sullied by the fact that they have skills and items the other team lacks.
That should be said more often. I tried to sneak it in a couple of times ...

PvP players dont really care about winning. They only care about winning against the best.
Every victorious player right now is cheated out of this feeling of accomplishment that it were his skills that ensured victory, and not the 500h he spent in riverside, because he knew about it before it got nerfed.

BE|Dac

Banned

Join Date: Feb 2005

09 Jun 2005 at 20:29 - 71
Quote:
Originally Posted by Epinephrine
You make no sense overall, but the point is that some seem to be content winning more than they lose. This is the kind of person who is happy in the 51st percentile.

I wouldn't sit down to play chess with someone who said "I've been playing for ages, so I get to start with 4 more pawns and an extra rook." I don't care how long you've played, if you want to pit your skill against mine it's on equal terms. That's the point of competition.

If the competition is not on equal footing, it isn't a test of skill. It may be skill-influenced, but it isn't really testing skill. If you beat an olympic swimmer in a race because you got to use flippers it isn't really a victory, and the same holds here.

For those of you who like PvE and play MMOs, that's fine, you should enjoy PvE. For those who play PvP and want fair competition, about skill, as was advertised for years, we deserve equal footing. Not just those who don't have the gear, but those on top too - they deserve the chance to say that their wins WERE fair, that they had better teamwork and coordination, and not have their victories sullied by the fact that they have skills and items the other team lacks.
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JoDiamonds

JoDiamonds

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

New England

09 Jun 2005 at 20:41 - 72
Quote:
Originally Posted by -z|o-
People who never been in top 20 or held HoH consequently shouldnt be talking about what competative PvP is.
Anyone who plays PvP or desires to should have equal input into what PvP should be like. You pay your money, you get a fun game. That's the deal each consumer makes with ArenaNet. Being better at the game doesn't mean you deserve better service or get to have more fun.

Players who do better are certainly more qualified to talk about some aspects of PvP, such as advanced power balance discussions. (i.e. If a skill appears to be overpowered, it is true that the players who do better are more likely to be knowledgable about that.)

Witt78

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

09 Jun 2005 at 20:42 - 73
Quote:
Originally Posted by Saerden
He is a mere mortal. a messenger of truth.
at least, the fact alone that this forum is filled with complaints from those who want farming, grind and pvp advantages to stay is a good sign that this game is at least moving in the right direction. There is nothing wrong with grind, nor with everquest. But GW was supposed to be different. You dont build your "character" in chess.

Okay. I see where you are comming from.... But you make it sound as if the grind in Guild Wars is closer to Everquest than it is to Chess.

That is not the case by any means.

And no, I'm sorry... But this game was NOT designed first and formost for PVP. It was designed as a blend. It was designed as much for PVP as it was for PVE. If this is the case, there simply must be some middle ground.

I think that Guild Wars is pretty well thought out in most area's. Further more, I think it's perfectly okay if you think "This could be improved" or "That can be modified"

However, I DONT think our differences of opinion should spark the conversation that has taken place in this forum thread. It's a shame that we all can't have a rational conversation like the one Saerden and I are having right now.

-Witt78

There is a difference between and argument and a fight.

c h a v e z

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agony

09 Jun 2005 at 20:42 - 74
haha when they said there was a heavy concentration of stupid on guru they really meant it.

still cant match the people on

www.steampowered.com

Shoddy

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2005

09 Jun 2005 at 20:42 - 75
I play PvE and PvP and I can't imagine why any of the PvE players should care a whit whether PvP chars have everything unlocked or not.

Akshara

Akshara

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09 Jun 2005 at 20:45 - 76
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I've yet to be on a n00b team that does not attempt to use brainpower to win, and actually win. I'm sorry but it does require skill, not time spent nor size of my guild.
I'd have to respectfully suggest that anyone who really believes this either hasn't played in PvE PuGs very much, focuses solely on PvP, or just hasn't gotten very far yet. In my experience, 9 out of 10 of the PUGs I've played in use absolutely zero brainpower or strategy whatsoever. They burn through like a bat out of hell, spam the same spells over and over, split off into 2 or 3 different groups without communicating to each other, curse and yell at other players and draw boobies or some other inane artwork on the compass repeatedly.

I have played in a few groups that used strategy and skill to get through the missions or quests... I'd say 3 out of probably 30 or more.

Red Locust

Red Locust

Site Contributor

Join Date: May 2005

09 Jun 2005 at 20:50 - 77
Man, quit complaining. You can get to lvl 20 by winning one battle, you can buy all your runes for cheap, you can buy all your skills from trainers, you can capture your elite skills easily with the new SoC, you get max dmg 20/20 items for free, you get the best armor for free. Seriously, stop complaining about every single goddamn thing.

Lament Messon

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

09 Jun 2005 at 20:52 - 78
Quote:
Originally Posted by Saerden
He is a mere mortal. a messenger of truth.
at least, the fact alone that this forum is filled with complaints from those who want farming, grind and pvp advantages to stay is a good sign that this game is at least moving in the right direction. There is nothing wrong with grind, nor with everquest. But GW was supposed to be different. You dont build your "character" in chess.
You seem to like that chess idea. A quick compare and contrast. In GW you spend time in game learning general tactics and skills. In chess you spend time playing and watching learning general tactics and skills. In GW if you want special advantages in PvP games you need to devote more time than the next person to attain all the runes and upgrades available (at this time that is a LARGE amount of time). In chess you learn new moves and countermoves by spending VAST amounts of time reading, and playing alone. IMHO GW is more like chess than most games on the market, but then again chess is used to compare just about everything related to strategy isn't it.

Now that I have addressed the chess corrolation am I now permitted to make my own comparisons?

Lament

Epinephrine

Epinephrine

Master of Beasts

Join Date: Mar 2005

Ottawa, Canada

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

09 Jun 2005 at 20:59 - 79
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Originally Posted by Lament Messon
In GW if you want special advantages in PvP games you need to devote more time than the next person to attain all the runes and upgrades available (at this time that is a LARGE amount of time). In chess you learn new moves and countermoves by spending VAST amounts of time reading, and playing alone.
That the issue. Anyone can gain items by doing repetitive crap, it gets them an edge without skill. In any other competitive environment the exercise its to learn. In chess you invest time, in learning. That's why it is skill based. GW is skill based too - you have to go into the HoH and tombs many times in order to learn the skills involved in actually playing - but the aquisition of items is NOT skill based, and represents an advantage that is only derived through time spent.

I had no issue being bad at other games due to lack of practice. I practiced. That's learning. I do have an issue with starting at a disadvantage not because of lack of practice, but because of gear.

I also play the flip side - my team has in FPS moved to another server in order to provide a fair ping to bothteams - I won't insist that my opponents play at a disadvantage, so we moved from our NY server to our Dallas server to try to make ping even. I don't want my victories based on gear, and I don't want my losses based on gear.

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09 Jun 2005 at 21:16 - 80
I just like to say that I'm a pve'er and a pvp'er. Um, I would also like to say that I only pve because I have too.

So ok, to those that think there is no grind: Do you realize it's entirely possible that you could grind away for 1 year in this game and NOT get the one rune you really need for one class? Why you ask? Because you can't decide what rune you'll be unlocking. It took me 6 weeks of grinding to get my last minor rune, earth magic. I've farmed about 75 superiors, yet 11 superiors still remain locked. Don't know what the math is, but there's only about 30 or so lines in the game. It'll be a miracle before I get my last 11 superiors unlocked. 7 of them I could really use on a daily basis.