Idea: Stylist NPC (Possible Money sink)

LostHere

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jul 2006

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I don't really understand the security problem. If hair is in the account table, why not move the entry to the inventory table (rename it to personal_data or something?). Then changing hair style will be the same as changing armor. Did I understand this incorrectly?

Kamer

Kamer

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2006

North Pole, Alaska

Where Iz Teh Bonuz

N/E

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I would love to explore different looks with my chars after getting new armor.

blackbird71

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

I love this idea and have wanted something like this ever since I started playing. At the very least, give us something that lets us change through all the options available on original character creation. It would be nice to take a tyrian character and add appearances from the expansions, etc.

daraaksii

daraaksii

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

/signed with the OP.

But Surgery is not for Guild Wars.

daraaksii

daraaksii

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

double post, sorry.

Tydra

Tydra

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2006

i dont really see what this feature has to do with security either. changin ur hair isnt based on a whole account, but per character. and besides, if ppl could hack into ur account and mess around with them, i dont think they would go after ur hair style ?

where did they reply to similar threads? gwonline? im gonna check it out later

Dallus

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2006

NinjaSchooldotORG

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i have been saying this since the 1st day of GW's game out... :P

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this needs to happen..

Zappa

Zappa

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2006

Portugal.

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It feels kinda weird, though, the plastic surgery thing. But with hair style change and color change we'd have more diversity..

(I'd hate to think that A.Net doesn't want to do this so players will buy more character slots for their accounts so they can keep old chars... )

MithranArkanere

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

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Look at all those great hairstyles thay have for our characters.
They are not made out of polystyrene! They shold be able to changed.
At least style and color.

ForgeWhelp

ForgeWhelp

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

TGW

N/Mo

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Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by LostHere
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I don't really understand the security problem. If hair is in the account table, why not move the entry to the inventory table (rename it to personal_data or something?). Then changing hair style will be the same as changing armor. Did I understand this incorrectly?
i will explain again as Gaile Gray stated.

the account is created as a single entry therefore they (ANET/NCSOFT) are UNABLE to change a single bit of that account database..

they CAN NOT change part of that account period.

and neither can some hacker.

roalgumo7

roalgumo7

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2005

Tijuana, B.C., Mexico.

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I agree, scince I kinda suggested this without reading this post before to my holiday topic

onerabbit

onerabbit

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Thanks to all the guru [mods]

/signed xD
i like my char to represent me..not me and 200 other people in the game
i hope anet do something like this..its always being talked about here on guru.

The Wolf Within

The Wolf Within

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Oct 2006

none

W/E

Why not make it differnt hair styles on EVERY styilst, snice most hairdo people in the current world do differnt ideas, every styilst here should be the same.

/signed

Shadow Kurd

Shadow Kurd

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2006

Netherlands

Scouts of Tyria

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Hmmm.. i dont know if its worth signing this, Gaile alrdy said its not possible

but it would be great if we did have one.
/signed if its not too much of a trouble

Angra

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2006

/Signed.

Even if its a security issue and can't be done. In any MMO this should have been in since day one.

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Angra
/Signed.

Even if its a security issue and can't be done. In any MMO this should have been in since day one.
hello?........hello?

THIS IS NOT AN MMO in the usual sense.

the accounts were set up on PURPOSE...REPEAT .....ON PURPOSE

to be unchangeable to prevent any chance of hacking.

Jeff Strain says so Anet says so.

they said........

they cannot do it

they did not say we wont do it.

if IT CANT BE DONE WHY STILL WHINE OVER IT?

Angra

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Loviatar
hello?........hello?

THIS IS NOT AN MMO in the usual sense.

the accounts were set up on PURPOSE...REPEAT .....ON PURPOSE

to be unchangeable to prevent any chance of hacking.

Jeff Strain says so Anet says so.

they said........

they cannot do it

they did not say we wont do it.

if IT CANT BE DONE WHY STILL WHINE OVER IT?
Any online roleplaying game of any kind, MMO, CCO, whatever, should have a stylist. Its a major feature almost constant in various games. I just said i knew it can't be done.

And it should be said and repeatedly stressed so the next time Anet makes a game, be it the next Guild Wars 2 or w/e, they realize that they should put one in. Every person that wants it should hang it over their head so they know constantly how bad they need to do it the next time around.

The next time around they should on purpose, repeat, on purpose, separate hair changes and styling outside of the account table, and everyone who wants that needs to let them know it, so you can change it.

Letting your customers change your characters hair style shouldn't make your Online RPG hackable/open to duping. There's plenty of games where you can change your hair without (reasonably) worrying about hacking.

Akhilleus

Akhilleus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

If it aint expensive, it aint worth buyin'.

Leading/Co-leading Bretheren Of Chaos [Dark]

W/Mo

/signed just because i think a characters appearance shouldnt be final.
though, i would personally not change any of my characters, i still recognize the usefulness of such a feature.
the monetary (platinum or gold) charge involved should be put in place soley so that it's not abused.

LordFFM

LordFFM

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2006

Here today, gone tomorrow

[STYX]/[STYX]

Me/N

/signed - I just ran into a R/D who had exactly the same look as my girlfriends character... Weird ^^

About the security issue... I'm sure Anet can find a way to go around it...

curtman

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2006

They claim they cannot CHANGE the data in the account table, they say nothing about copying existing data into a data structure, inserting the new data into the db, then deleting the old. You are not changing anything, just adding and removing.

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

Quote:
Quote:
Originally Posted by curtman
They claim they cannot CHANGE the data in the account table, they say nothing about copying existing data into a data structure, inserting the new data into the db, then deleting the old. You are not changing anything, just adding and removing.
as a matter of fact that exact subject was covered by Gaile in regards to an account.

they can lock an account but they are not able to spoof/transfer game data to a new account/replace items that were deleted/scammed/or otherwise made poof.

this was covered in detail earlier.

they did say that an account/contents/characters cannot be moved once created

ducktape

ducktape

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

W/R

I don't get why this isn't possible. They obviously have the ability to add new hairstyles with each expansion, so they are adding new names or numeric values to the database field that represents hair. Say I have hairstyle #5 in the database. I go to the stylist NPC and change my hair, and now the database records that I have hairstyle #22 instead. That's not spawning anything into my account, it's changing an existing value of the data through an in-game transaction. ANet has changed what our item stats and armor stats are when balancing things. They have accidentally given peoples' existing characters a completely different hairdo or completely different face and then been able to switch it back, so it would seem that switching hairdos at an NPC is very doable! I'm betting that the reason there is no hairstyle NPC is that it would take a lot of time and resources to make it, and right now they have other things to do that are high priority.

Kendar Muert

Kendar Muert

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2006

Texas

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I think i already signed but i couldnt find my signature...

Bryant Again

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

Everyone wants this, but we're not getting it. Wah.

Probably already have, but /signedmuch

Also, is there any link/whatnot to Gaile's explanation? I'm just curious about the security thing.

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

Quote:
Quote:
Originally Posted by ducktape
I don't get why this isn't possible. They obviously have the ability to add new hairstyles with each expansion, so they are adding new names or numeric values to the database field that represents hair. .
hi ducktape

the point is that new hairstyle on the new chapter character is being added to a new character and once that new character is added it is unchangeable.

the developers of the database have said that the way they set the whole thing up makes changing/spoofing an account impossible.

if they are telling the truth they cant do it.

otherwise everybody from Jeff Strain on down is lying.

your choice

CidBlackwood

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2006

Ascalon

Love the idea. I personally have seen people IDENTICAL from face to hair to skin to myself. Once as my W/Mo I found two people at once identical to myself. Same Hair Cut/Color, Same Face, same skin tone AND armor. Triplets stink. Yeah. This idea rox my sox. I hope ANet does it.
I know they wont though so whatever...

gwjunkie

gwjunkie

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2006

Kyuubi Bloodline [Kyuu]

Cool idea. I believe this was suggested on a thread for name changes. Both changes would be great in my opinion.
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Winterclaw

Winterclaw

Wark!!!

Join Date: May 2005

Florida

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Quote:
Originally Posted by ducktape
I don't get why this isn't possible.
It's possibility all depends on how it was programmed. The fact that there aren't any now even though this thread and others like it have been around forever means they have a reason for no stylists ATM. It isn't so much adding new hairstyles its a question of how hairstyles are granted in the first place.


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That's not spawning anything into my account, it's changing an existing value of the data through an in-game transaction. ANet has changed what our item stats and armor stats are when balancing things.
Changing an item gobally and changing a part of a specific character two very different things. In computer terms, that item may not be a part of your PCs file but the file has a link to an item that says I have such and such. The link isn't changed when they update the item, but the item is. Maybe GMs do have the ability to change names or faces or hairdos, but then again they are GMs and they need special tools to do their job.

Vinraith

Vinraith

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2006

/signed

Love it.

ducktape

ducktape

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

W/R

Quote:
Originally Posted by Winterclaw
Changing an item gobally and changing a part of a specific character two very different things. In computer terms, that item may not be a part of your PCs file but the file has a link to an item that says I have such and such. The link isn't changed when they update the item, but the item is. Maybe GMs do have the ability to change names or faces or hairdos, but then again they are GMs and they need special tools to do their job.
Yeah that's what I'm saying, I know changing the properties of an item for every copy of that item in the entire game is way different than changing the details of our actual characters. But then again look how they accidentally changed around peoples' faces that one time and then changed around peoples' hairstyles another time. Clearly it is something they can do, special GM tools and all, so why would it be so bad to make an NPC in the game that can use that same set of code to change the hairstyles?

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Originally Posted by Loviatar
hi ducktape

the point is that new hairstyle on the new chapter character is being added to a new character and once that new character is added it is unchangeable.
Maybe they are liars? I would hate to think so, but we've all seen them accidentally change around faces and hairstyles on existing characters and then put them back to the way they were. And I'm not talking about the face updates to make mouths move in cutscenes . Clearly it was an "oops" when the faces and hair swaps were done but if they're saying "it's impossible for us or you to change your face or your hair after your character is created" that's clearly not true. Because they already did each of those things to people before. Does anyone have a link where I can read them telling us this is impossible?

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

Quote:
Quote:
Originally Posted by ducktape


Maybe they are liars? I would hate to think so, but we've all seen them accidentally change around faces and hairstyles on existing characters and then put them back to the way they were. ?
hi

there is a big difference between a bug that causes a graphics glitch and actually altering the account data

appearance is part of the account data and the account is designed to not be altered (for security).

that was a wide spread bug not actually changing the accounts involved.

search is not working foe me ATM

EDIT

this is related but not the one i want but has to do with spoofing/creating/changing an account

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9/25 Gaile Gray: Hacked Mesmer's Plea


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I am very angry right now. I should not post. But I will, to, perhaps, end this one.

Support tried to explain, and they gave you a very honest and reasonable answer. I have explained, repeatedly, to the many people who have written me on your behalf, and to you, yourself, how what you seek is not possible. We cannot cheat an account. We do not have the technology; we do not have the capacity, and, as I explained to you more than once just yesterday, there is a good reason that there are these safeguards on the game. And had we the technology, we would not do that because of moral issues which you, in your situation, fail to see and completely refuse to recognize as being beneficial for all 2 million accounts of folks playing Guild Wars.

Winterclaw

Winterclaw

Wark!!!

Join Date: May 2005

Florida

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Quote:
Originally Posted by ducktape
Clearly it is something they can do, special GM tools and all, so why would it be so bad to make an NPC in the game that can use that same set of code to change the hairstyles?
I think that having hairstylists is something Gaile said was a maybe. Why they haven't done it yet, I'm not sure. It could be possible that the game itself doesn't have permission to access the ability to change hairstyles. Also it could be that the code that already exists would have to be modified to be used by the game and it's a lower priority right now.

ducktape

ducktape

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

W/R

That's what I'm guessing, they want to but have other things they're working on, as I've never actually seen anyone from ANet say it is impossible to have a hair stylist or it's impossible to change our hair to another existing hairstyle.

Hey Loviatar, thanks for the quote. However, in that situation, she was talking about the player's request to restore their character (impossible) and then give that new character all of the titles that the deleted character had (impossible) and not returning any armor or items. I totally understand how that stuff is not doable. And, I know that the face and hair swaps were bugs, but it is proof that the concept of changing hairstyles is possible, so that's basically why I don't understand if the devs have literally said "it is impossible to ever change your hair". If they said that, even though it occured from a bug, it has been done!

I know search is dodgy lately, so that's why I haven't found it either, but if anyone does manage to dig up such a quote, please kindly post it so that we can all have our hopes crushed

Sauron the Evil

Sauron the Evil

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Chaco Nautzi

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I also wanted to bump this thread, as well as show my support :P

Kaszman1

Ascalonian Squire

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Hungary

Hungarian Gameboyok [HG]

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/signed great idea let you make it A.net!! )

artay

artay

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

Australia

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Me want my bling bling, "Pimp your elementalist"
anyways
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Age

Age

Hall Hero

Join Date: Jul 2005

California Canada/BC

STG Administrator

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Quote:
Originally Posted by St Claire
I really love this idea. I mean it doesn't even have to go as far as coming up with new things to add like piercings or whatever. I'm just bored to death with my old look and I would love to change my hair style on some characters. On top of that, I really want to change my monk's height because it's so so so very short and I look like a midget (I didn't realize this when I made her.)
Don't you just hate and then when you get to post see that you are smaller than Alesia.I never liked that so I rerolled my beta Monk and changed the face although the hair stayed the same after looking at old SS of her and new ones.

WasAGuest

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

Whether a bug or a fluke, it matters little. Fact is, we've seen the hair styles change and we've seen them change back. Many "inventions" in history were mistakes, errors or simply stumbled upon.

They've stumbled across a bug (an ooops!), by looking at it, they can figure out a way to make it work for them. I'm sure they aren't that thick... well, maybe... the AI still acts like it's trying out for Benny Hill.

So, signed again and again and again.