Merchants SHOULD have confirmation dialog.

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Malchiel
Frost Gate Guardian
#1
Okay I've had the misfortune of having sold multiple gold weapons and expensive runes.

I sold my superior earth rune to the vendor. I sold a nice gold fellblade with % modifier to the vendor. I think I've sold a couple of other things by accident too.

And I know what you think, "Wow dude are you that dumb" Actually no. I live with my room mates who pay COX to be our ISP. bad mistake COX sux. What do I mean? High ping time. I tried tracing my connection and some of the ping from COX own servers actually takes about 1800 ms to respond.

Okay so what does that mean in a non technical term?

Say I'm selling the following items to the vendor

1) Junk 1
2) Junk 2
3) Gold item xxx

I start selling junk item 1
then junk item 2

However due to high latency and stupid amount of packet loss. It looks to me like I'm still selling junk item #2 when in fact I'm currently selling my gold item.

So my request to ANET can we plz plz have a confirmation window when selling gold, or customized or other rare items to the vendor?

To all of you, stay away from COX. I'm not alone in this. Just look up the internet you'll see there're so many ppl terribly pissed with their service. The bandwith flactuation, the dropouts, the packet loss, all of which would make a fast paced game like GW almost unplayable. That's not the worse of it, they hire idiots for their customer service who knows nothing about networking.
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Creston
Lion's Arch Merchant
#2
While I do emphatize with your situation, I would recommend that you stash the really valuable stuff temporarily in your vault before going to the merchant to sell stuff.

Because, honestly, if I have to confirm every single 5gp piece of junk that I'm selling, it's going to get VERY annoying VERY quickly.

With regards to Cox, every ISP has people who have problems, and by that criterium alone, nobody should ever join any ISP out there, since they'd all suck.

I am personally on Cox, and have a fantastic internet connection. My ping to the guildwars server is 35ms. Where are you located? Have you tried tracerouting (tracert) the server, and seeing where the issue is? If you can pinpoint a location where it goes wrong, you can call them and ask to be referred to a 2nd or 3rd line support person. The helpdesk guys don't know networking, that's true. That's why they're 22K helpdesk peons. The 2nd or 3rd line support guys will know, and might be able to help you out. You should NEVER get sustained 1800ms pings. That's enough time to get the signal to the moon and back TWICE.

Btw, we've ALL sold stuff to the merchant we didn't want to.
But I really like the non confirmation on everything, it just makes inventory management go so much smoother.

Creston
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Malchiel
Frost Gate Guardian
#3
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Originally Posted by Creston
While I do emphatize with your situation, I would recommend that you stash the really valuable stuff temporarily in your vault before going to the merchant to sell stuff.

Because, honestly, if I have to confirm every single 5gp piece of junk that I'm selling, it's going to get VERY annoying VERY quickly.

With regards to Cox, every ISP has people who have problems, and by that criterium alone, nobody should ever join any ISP out there, since they'd all suck.

I am personally on Cox, and have a fantastic internet connection. My ping to the guildwars server is 35ms. Where are you located? Have you tried tracerouting (tracert) the server, and seeing where the issue is? If you can pinpoint a location where it goes wrong, you can call them and ask to be referred to a 2nd or 3rd line support person. The helpdesk guys don't know networking, that's true. That's why they're 22K helpdesk peons. The 2nd or 3rd line support guys will know, and might be able to help you out. You should NEVER get sustained 1800ms pings. That's enough time to get the signal to the moon and back TWICE.

Btw, we've ALL sold stuff to the merchant we didn't want to.
But I really like the non confirmation on everything, it just makes inventory management go so much smoother.

Creston

Plz re-read my post.

I'm asking for a confirmation dialog when selling gold / rare items only. Not for junks.

My average ping time with cox has been.... guess what 1100 ms I'm definitely not excited abt their service in my area.

Sometimes it's better but for the past 1 month now, it's been really poor.

I have SBC DSL at my home. Works so much better, so much smoother and better, friendlier customer service, who knows what they're doing. No cox just sucks. They used to have heavy flactuation of their bandwith cap. Now high ping rate. Got stupid modems that didn't work, and they blamed us for it. And finally fixed it after about 2-3 weeks of constantly calling them which's a lot of waste.
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Creston
Lion's Arch Merchant
#4
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Originally Posted by Malchiel
Plz re-read my post.

I'm asking for a confirmation dialog when selling gold / rare items only. Not for junks.

My average ping time with cox has been.... guess what 1100 ms I'm definitely not excited abt their service in my area.

Sometimes it's better but for the past 1 month now, it's been really poor.

I have SBC DSL at my home. Works so much better, so much smoother and better, friendlier customer service, who knows what they're doing. No cox just sucks. They used to have heavy flactuation of their bandwith cap. Now high ping rate. Got stupid modems that didn't work, and they blamed us for it. And finally fixed it after about 2-3 weeks of constantly calling them which's a lot of waste.
Oh my bad. Yeah confirmation for runes or purple / gold stuff would actually be very useful. Not so sure how easy that would be to implement, but who knows.

As for Cox, I guess you just live in an area where they have bad infrastructure, I'm seeing none of these issues here in Oklahoma. In your case, I would just switch. No point in paying 40 bucks a month for service if it's that crappy.

Creston
IxChel
IxChel
Lion's Arch Merchant
#5
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Originally Posted by Malchiel
So my request to ANET can we plz plz have a confirmation window when selling gold, or customized or other rare items to the vendor?
+10 Excellent Suggestion -- I just sold my only gold sword yesterday! I have lots of lagg (not quite enough memory, but I'm at max memory for my box), and I clicked 'sell' 3 times, and it sold 5 things.
Thadius Invictus
Thadius Invictus
Ascalonian Squire
#6
I think perhaps a warning when selling purple and gold things might be in order. Whilst playing Civ3, when you went to sell a building or some such that was over 250 gold a confirmation dialog popped up asking if you really want to do that. It shouldn't be that hard to script.

ummmm....Civ3.....must fight the addiction......must nuke the enemy.....damn polution.
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Syno
Academy Page
#7
A warning for selling anything at all wouldn't be a bad idea. But if it went towards anything, maybe an option to turn that off. Or just for purple, gold, rare and runes would work as well!


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Angels Touch
Ascalonian Squire
#8
I normally keep my salvage kits in my belt pouch and do not sell past them. Then if it is something I want to keep I move it down into one of the bags. you might have to sell some then rearrange again to sell more but it helps.

Though I started this with the expert salvage kit on the left so it is the first to get "sold", I tried changing it with the basic one but then salvage runes with the basic kit DOH! 400g compared to 100g for repurchase sucks to.

Having a confirmation on gold / purple / runes / customized would be nice. Nothing like swapping weapons out and then selling your secondary weapon (That kick ass no req bow) to the vendor.
Ignotus
Ignotus
Frost Gate Guardian
#9
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Originally Posted by Angels Touch
I normally keep my salvage kits in my belt pouch and do not sell past them. Then if it is something I want to keep I move it down into one of the bags. you might have to sell some then rearrange again to sell more but it helps.
I do just about the same thing. When selling, there's the small area where you can check or uncheck your bags to only display certain bags. I usually organize the stuff I want to sell into the bottom bag and uncheck the other bags so that only the bottom bag shows.

I AM in favor of the confirmation idea though. One way that World of Warcraft combats this is by letting you buy back the last thing you sold to the merchant for the same price that he paid you for it. So, if you accidently sold him your gold customized sword for 50 gold, you can buy it back for 50 gold. If you sell it to him and then sell him something else, then you're hosed. That's just another possible fix or it could be added in addition to the confirmation thing. I like the confirmation idea though.
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Originally Posted by Angels Touch
Having a confirmation on gold / purple / runes / customized would be nice. Nothing like swapping weapons out and then selling your secondary weapon (That kick ass no req bow) to the vendor.
What's a kick-ass no req bow? The best I've seen is something like 9-13 no req. The thing is I have a 9-13, but I've noticed that it NEVER does 9-13 damage. Is that because the mobs post-searing have higher armor? I expected to at least be able to do 9 damage with it, especially from higher ground. I even tried using Judges Insight (I think, it's the one where you do holy damage +20% armor penetration) and I was still doing like 6 damage to a bone dragon, which is undead and susceptible to holy damage. Maybe that spell only works for point blank melee. Anyway, what's a good non req bow? Higher than 9-13, or 9-13 with bonuses? Oh, it may be 8-12 or 9-12, I can't remember. I pull with it.
StandardAI
StandardAI
Banned
#10
You can always just, look at what you sell before you sell it.
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Zaklex
Frost Gate Guardian
#11
Is it really that hard to wait for the sale to go through before clicking on the next item to sell, that would solve all of your problems really, just wait for each transaction to finish before moving onto the next one.
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Malchiel
Frost Gate Guardian
#12
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Originally Posted by StandardAI
You can always just, look at what you sell before you sell it.
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You can always just, look at what you sell before you sell it.
To these 2 illeterate ppl. YES IT IS EASY TO SEE WHAT I'M SELLING if NOT for the LAG!

Damn it, learn to read b4 you speak like a moron.
StandardAI
StandardAI
Banned
#13
Quote:
Originally Posted by Malchiel
To these 2 illeterate ppl. YES IT IS EASY TO SEE WHAT I'M SELLING if NOT for the LAG!

Damn it, learn to read b4 you speak like a moron.
relly b4 i speek lyk a moran?

let it load, everyone else shouldn't have to suffer because a bunch of aolers are having an issue selling items.
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Ginko
Frost Gate Guardian
#14
How do you call that suffering? Nowdays everything you say StandardAI is just whining crap that gets a whole bucket of people to flame. For once in your life can you think about someone else, sheesh, the nerve!
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Malchiel
Frost Gate Guardian
#15
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Originally Posted by StandardAI
relly b4 i speek lyk a moran?

let it load, everyone else shouldn't have to suffer because a bunch of aolers are having an issue selling items.
LMAO why do you need to suffer when you have to confirm before selling a gold item? WTF. Whoever said anything about AOL?

Do you know what ping is? Do you know what packet loss is? I can have 5gigabits bandwith and have lag spikes.

And in case you didn't know I'm on cable with lag spikes.

I'm selling items and all of a sudden the game froze, and it looks like I'm selling but I'm not and vice versa.

StandardAI I've also read your post, why don't you just git from the game. All you do is complain, but when someone makes a useful suggestion you just dispute it. I guess you just enjoy trolling huh?
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Ginko
Frost Gate Guardian
#16
Please don't energize the troll, it fuels him in his massive flames of destruction. He'll leave if we shut up.

--Ginko
Reiden Argrock
Reiden Argrock
Krytan Explorer
#17
A little organization goes a long way.
I'm sure you all have spent at least an hour or so working on your keyboard setup and hud setup, why not take a few minutes to organize your bagage

I have id kits, and both salvage kits down in the bottom bag along with my alt weapons, and since I usually know what i'm about to fight I don't have to worry about switching weaps in battle and so they don't get mixed up with loot, I always check out my loot before visiting the merchant, and usually before going to storage as well, any collector items I happen to be saving I stick in the pouch and I have that turned off when I go to merchant.

So, just work on your organization a little bit, and most of your problems will go away,
as for lag, if you know you have it, don't rush to sell your junk, there's really no hurry
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Malchiel
Frost Gate Guardian
#18
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Originally Posted by Reiden Argrock
A little organization goes a long way.
I'm sure you all have spent at least an hour or so working on your keyboard setup and hud setup, why not take a few minutes to organize your bagage

I have id kits, and both salvage kits down in the bottom bag along with my alt weapons, and since I usually know what i'm about to fight I don't have to worry about switching weaps in battle and so they don't get mixed up with loot, I always check out my loot before visiting the merchant, and usually before going to storage as well, any collector items I happen to be saving I stick in the pouch and I have that turned off when I go to merchant.

So, just work on your organization a little bit, and most of your problems will go away,
as for lag, if you know you have it, don't rush to sell your junk, there's really no hurry
this isn't a good software policy. Let's exaggerate. Suppose I have a flight control system that freezes everytime someone press f11. Well sure you can tell ppl not to press f11. But is that really a good policy?

Software should work around ppl, not ppl around software.

About organizing the loots in a bag. If you keep switching primary and secondary weapons (I do especially since I had a vampiric sword) your primary and secondary weapon placement will change. It doesn't necesarrily sit at the bottom of your bag, or the top of it. It will go to a somewhat random place in your bag.
StandardAI
StandardAI
Banned
#19
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Originally Posted by Malchiel
LMAO why do you need to suffer when you have to confirm before selling a gold item? WTF. Whoever said anything about AOL?

Do you know what ping is? Do you know what packet loss is? I can have 5gigabits bandwith and have lag spikes.

And in case you didn't know I'm on cable with lag spikes.

I'm selling items and all of a sudden the game froze, and it looks like I'm selling but I'm not and vice versa.

StandardAI I've also read your post, why don't you just git from the game. All you do is complain, but when someone makes a useful suggestion you just dispute it. I guess you just enjoy trolling huh?
Sorry, I just don't find it useful, maybe that's why i'm against it perhaps? A lot of things need to be fixed, this isn't one of them.

Edit: Oh i'm very flattered you searched my posts by the way
Ignotus
Ignotus
Frost Gate Guardian
#20
Organize everything you wish to sell into one bag and uncheck the other bags in the merchant window so that they don't show up in the merchant window. That's the best advice IMO. I like being able to spam the sell button without having to confirm, but it wouldn't ruin my day to have to confirm selling blue/gold/purple/customized items as long as I can confirm by hitting SPACEBAR. Have a "yes" and a "no" with "yes" being the default. Or, even better, set an option in the menu where I can turn it off if I don't want to use it. Regardless, it wouldn't be a game-ruining change if I had to confirm the sale.