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Skills - Spiteful Spirit
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Maltare
Anyone know where to get this skill?
Mango Midget
A shadow Boss at Moladune give this skill.
bioxeed
Also one of the shadow bosses in snake dance has it
Tsukiyomi
A shadow boss outside of Camp Rankor gives this.
Labrie
Can also be capped from the Shadow Lord in Fissure Of Woe.
Archaeus
I capped this skill today but I don't quite see what all the fuss is about. I got my necro's curses to 16 and it does OK damage, but on guy said this skill is in his book for the top ten elites in the game. What makes this skill so good?
(My primary is an air ele, so maybe it just seems small damage because its actual output per target is small, but it's AoE and requires a trigger)
(My primary is an air ele, so maybe it just seems small damage because its actual output per target is small, but it's AoE and requires a trigger)
delfin42
A shadow's body disappears when killed, but a shadow BOSS's body does not.
The skill is basically Empathy on steroids, with a nice PBAoE effect on the castee for clearing out PvE groups. With its reasonably short cooldown, you could keep it on someone continuously who doesn't have some kind of hex removal/prevention, making them radioactive; any time they do _anything_ they take ~30-ish damage at high Curses and spread that damage to teammates next to them. It's not a killer in and of itself, but it's the very definition of what a Curses skill should be -- an annoying hex that tacks a life hit onto any action.
The skill is basically Empathy on steroids, with a nice PBAoE effect on the castee for clearing out PvE groups. With its reasonably short cooldown, you could keep it on someone continuously who doesn't have some kind of hex removal/prevention, making them radioactive; any time they do _anything_ they take ~30-ish damage at high Curses and spread that damage to teammates next to them. It's not a killer in and of itself, but it's the very definition of what a Curses skill should be -- an annoying hex that tacks a life hit onto any action.
Charcoal Ann
this skill will cause hasty death to any group with a stupid warrior in it. (only one required)
is the shadow boss south or north of rankor?
is the shadow boss south or north of rankor?
rii
I dont understand why people dont stop hitting. Its not hard. ca anti warrior... great skill when stacked with all the other stuff.
ZenRgy
My friend and I used to do this combo together for a fun anti-warrior build.
He was a spiker/nuker w/ Blinding Flash.
I used Spiteful Spirit, Empathy And Price of Failure and the warrior would take 60+ dmg at least each time he attacked.
It's a good skill.
He was a spiker/nuker w/ Blinding Flash.
I used Spiteful Spirit, Empathy And Price of Failure and the warrior would take 60+ dmg at least each time he attacked.
It's a good skill.
Orochim4ru
O_o then the warrior can... gasp.. stop attacking!
Anita
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Originally Posted by Orochim4ru
O_o then the warrior can... gasp.. stop attacking!
Means he becomes useless, that's kinda the point
BBoy_Manchild
i love this spell, whenever im bored with pve with my necro i go into pvp using spiteful + insidious + enfeeble, and then use prot spells from my monk secondary to keep me from dieing
Thanas
This is a truely great skill. Use this with echo and mark of pain with awaken the blood and u r looking at 120 dmg around every couple of secs to a mob. Its a real mob killer. I'm even happier now I can see the damage my spiteful spirit does.
Rey Lentless
It doesn't do enough damage to be a very good skill. Unlike something like backfire which does enough damage to stop someone from doing something, spiteful doesn't.. you can still get off key spells, skills, or even attack for a while with it on and just get an occassional heal to offset it.
It is an ok skill if you arcane it and have a couple people using it, along with overloading their hex removal.. then it can become a reliable source of damage. But with a normal team, you don't want to waste your necro's elite on this. Can be ok against iway, but again.. not worth wasting your elite to counter something you can counter better a ton of other different ways.
It is an ok skill if you arcane it and have a couple people using it, along with overloading their hex removal.. then it can become a reliable source of damage. But with a normal team, you don't want to waste your necro's elite on this. Can be ok against iway, but again.. not worth wasting your elite to counter something you can counter better a ton of other different ways.
Schorny
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Originally Posted by Rey Lentless
It doesn't do enough damage to be a very good skill. Unlike something like backfire which does enough damage to stop someone from doing something, spiteful doesn't..
It stops warriors from doing much. It's like an elite version of empathy.
You don't use it primary for damage but for shutdown. You can stop the enemy spamming something with this.
You don't use it primary for damage but for shutdown. You can stop the enemy spamming something with this.
Orochim4ru
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hobo13
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Originally Posted by Orochim4ru
Means he waits 2 seconds for a convert, then continues hitting you.
10 second recharge on spiteful, plus not every monk carries a remove hex.
Siren
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Originally Posted by Schorny
You don't use it primary for damage but for shutdown. You can stop the enemy spamming something with this. Spamming anything, really. lol. Such a fabulous skill. =D
Man With No Name
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Originally Posted by SchornyIt stops warriors from doing much. It's like an elite version of empathy.
Empathy - Hex Spell
For 8-18 seconds, whenever target foe attacks, that foe takes 10-26 damage.
10e / 2 / 10
Spiteful Spirit {Elite} - Hex Spell
For 8-18 seconds, whenever target foe attacks or uses a skill, Spiteful Spirit deals 5-29 shadow damage to that foe and all adjacent foes.
15e / 2 / 10
So for an elite you get AoE, slightly higher max damage and triggering on a skill -- I'd rather take Empathy
If I can get a kill with this on me and when my adrenaline is charged -- I will spike -- hitting you for up to 400dmg ( Eviscerate + Exe Strike + Penetrating + Deep Wound ) whilst you hit me for 60 :S
Empathy, Clumsiness, Ineptitude [Elite], Faintheartedness / Shadow of Fear, Enfeeble / Enf Blood, Soothing Images are the good anti-warrior skills IMO
Hit a Warrior with Clumsiness and Ineptitute whilst they're Frenzing and you'll do a nice 300 damage spike of armor ignoring damage and blind them
Schorny
Put it on a pet in an IWAY team to have fun
Or before the last update: put it on a smiter.
Put it on a warrior constantly.
All this things work. Of course it is not that big damage, but it sums up or shuts down an enemy.
Of course you will spike through Spiteful Spirit, but will you charge adrenalin with it on?
It is a skill to counter all kinds of spamming. Nothing more, nothing less.
Or before the last update: put it on a smiter.
Put it on a warrior constantly.
All this things work. Of course it is not that big damage, but it sums up or shuts down an enemy.
Of course you will spike through Spiteful Spirit, but will you charge adrenalin with it on?
It is a skill to counter all kinds of spamming. Nothing more, nothing less.
Man With No Name
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Originally Posted by Schorny
Of course you will spike through Spiteful Spirit, but will you charge adrenaline with it on?
Simply put with a competent Healing Monk behind me -- the majority of times I will carry on attacking through it -- you hit me for 29 -- I hit you for 6-28 ( ignoring critical hits )
A Protection Monk will simply convert / remove it
There's nothing to fear from this skill -- catching a Warrior mid-frenzy with Cluminess and Ineptitude have far greater consequences. And if people don't bunch up it's lost it's AoE effect.
A Protection Monk will simply convert / remove it
There's nothing to fear from this skill -- catching a Warrior mid-frenzy with Cluminess and Ineptitude have far greater consequences. And if people don't bunch up it's lost it's AoE effect.
Stayfrosty
This skill owns IWAY so bad... just toss it on 2 or 3 of the warriors, 90% of them are to dumb to realize they are causing aoe dmg to their entire group
Epinephrine
This skill is highly situational in its effectiveness, but has some degree of effectiveness in nearly any situation. At worst it is used as an empathy-type spell, at best it anihilates teams of frenzying warriors. Keep in mind that some skills are better in PvE than others, and this is a great PvE skill with big melee mobs, especially highly armoured ones.
badkarma
get a group of 4 monsters clustered together........ cast arcane echo (non elite) then spiteful then find out for yourself why it can be so deadly
koren
Echo this skill on 2 aataxes in UW while a solo monk tanks.. they drop in 20 seconds max. Do it on the squids in UW and they drop before both spitefulls even recharge.
2_fingers
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Originally Posted by Stayfrosty
This skill owns IWAY so bad... just toss it on 2 or 3 of the warriors, 90% of them are to dumb to realize they are causing aoe dmg to their entire group
yeah. Its a serious counter to iway under the assumption that u are balling up and the warriors go for another target. and the cd is so fast that u can easily get it cast on 4 warriors. I've seen warriors drop in matter of seconds lol.
Thanas
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Originally Posted by Man With No Name
Empathy - Hex Spell
For 8-18 seconds, whenever target foe attacks, that foe takes 10-26 damage.
10e / 2 / 10
Spiteful Spirit {Elite} - Hex Spell
For 8-18 seconds, whenever target foe attacks or uses a skill, Spiteful Spirit deals 5-29 shadow damage to that foe and all adjacent foes.
15e / 2 / 10
So for an elite you get AoE, slightly higher max damage and triggering on a skill -- I'd rather take Empathy
If I can get a kill with this on me and when my adrenaline is charged -- I will spike -- hitting you for up to 400dmg ( Eviscerate + Exe Strike + Penetrating + Deep Wound ) whilst you hit me for 60 :S
Empathy, Clumsiness, Ineptitude [Elite], Faintheartedness / Shadow of Fear, Enfeeble / Enf Blood, Soothing Images are the good anti-warrior skills IMO
Hit a Warrior with Clumsiness and Ineptitute whilst they're Frenzing and you'll do a nice 300 damage spike of armor ignoring damage and blind them Max your curse and add awaken the blood and this skill is doing 42 damage to all nearby foes. Add echo and thats 84 damage. Just make sure to parasite after hex have fun. Most warriors are too dumb to notice they have this on them anyway. In all fairness I don't think you understand this elite at all. Empathy attaches itself to one target and only triggers when the target attacks. Spiteful works on spells and melee. The fact of the matter is you are are helping your group more by attacking enemy groups as a whole. If you attack one unit you must be able to do some pretty good spiking. Spiteful can hamper casters and melee warriors and do serious damage to groups.
Oryaka Drake
If people are saying that this skill is anything like empathy... they are just sadly mistaken, because simply speaking it doesnt matter what you do.. as long as you use a skill you are hurting yourself and everyone around ya!
Kampfkeks
This spell is a killer. Probably one of the most useful Eliteskills around. I'd even go as far as to say this one is clearly overpowered. Atleast with the lack of decent hex removal - this one gets quickly re-applied if it is removed at all. Whatever you do... you harm your team. Have it cast on one of those warriors and you tell them to either stand around, doing nothing or to harm their team. Cast it on the monks, put a coverup hex on it. Watch them kill their own team or stop healing. etc etc
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Besides, most Necros bring plenty ofwarrior hate. What about those 400 damage when you're under enfeeble? Sure thing your monk will remove weakness, hm? Well let him do so, guess where my second spiteful went. And what about that insidious Parasite? Hooweee, you heal me for each of your hits. Price of Failure? kekeke. Empathy ON TOP of it? *evil*.
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Besides, most Necros bring plenty ofwarrior hate. What about those 400 damage when you're under enfeeble? Sure thing your monk will remove weakness, hm? Well let him do so, guess where my second spiteful went. And what about that insidious Parasite? Hooweee, you heal me for each of your hits. Price of Failure? kekeke. Empathy ON TOP of it? *evil*.
Epinephrine
To be clear, when I said "At worst it is used as an empathy-type spell" I mean that in the worst situations it only harms one person, or results in suppressing that person's attacks/skills. Since its damage is controlled entirely by your opponent it IS like empathy - it does very little to a guy who simply removes it or has it removed.
At best it certainly is disastrous to the opponents; I was attacked by two warriors with this on one the other day, and the warriors both activate frenzy right as they got to me (well, one did, and the other took doubled damage from everything, so he had it runinng too), so the Frenzy activation and first two attacks all went off in the space of 1 second, dealing 3*74 damage to each of them. One realised the problem and tried to run away, but the other one was dumb and killed his buddy with another swing or two. It is a nasty spell vs bad players, and especially in the low-hex removal environament of TA and RA. It definitely deserves its status as an elite, and will likely be nerfed at some point, even though in the more balanced environament of tombs/GvG it's not nearly so powerful
At best it certainly is disastrous to the opponents; I was attacked by two warriors with this on one the other day, and the warriors both activate frenzy right as they got to me (well, one did, and the other took doubled damage from everything, so he had it runinng too), so the Frenzy activation and first two attacks all went off in the space of 1 second, dealing 3*74 damage to each of them. One realised the problem and tried to run away, but the other one was dumb and killed his buddy with another swing or two. It is a nasty spell vs bad players, and especially in the low-hex removal environament of TA and RA. It definitely deserves its status as an elite, and will likely be nerfed at some point, even though in the more balanced environament of tombs/GvG it's not nearly so powerful
Sean The Sniper
I agree Spiteful Spirit is an excellent anti-IWAY skill to spamm, they wont stand a chance 
Knido
Spiteful Spirit + Mark of Pain FTW
Blkout
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Originally Posted by Knido
Spiteful Spirit + Mark of Pain FTW
I agree, and I use both as well, but in order to get the full effect of both skills together you really need to cast them on something that is going to take more than just a few hits to kill, like a boss. Anything other than that, and its somewhat wasted. Often I use one and then the other then it comes to regular mobs, just alternate since they both work pretty well in their own way.
I agree, and I use both as well, but in order to get the full effect of both skills together you really need to cast them on something that is going to take more than just a few hits to kill, like a boss. Anything other than that, and its somewhat wasted. Often I use one and then the other then it comes to regular mobs, just alternate since they both work pretty well in their own way.
Corwin
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Originally Posted by Man With No Name
Empathy - Hex Spell
For 8-18 seconds, whenever target foe attacks, that foe takes 10-26 damage.
10e / 2 / 10
Spiteful Spirit {Elite} - Hex Spell
For 8-18 seconds, whenever target foe attacks or uses a skill, Spiteful Spirit deals 5-29 shadow damage to that foe and all adjacent foes.
15e / 2 / 10
So for an elite you get AoE, slightly higher max damage and triggering on a skill -- I'd rather take Empathy
If I can get a kill with this on me and when my adrenaline is charged -- I will spike -- hitting you for up to 400dmg ( Eviscerate + Exe Strike + Penetrating + Deep Wound ) whilst you hit me for 60 :S
Empathy, Clumsiness, Ineptitude [Elite], Faintheartedness / Shadow of Fear, Enfeeble / Enf Blood, Soothing Images are the good anti-warrior skills IMO
Hit a Warrior with Clumsiness and Ineptitute whilst they're Frenzing and you'll do a nice 300 damage spike of armor ignoring damage and blind them If you were trying to spike my Me/N through this, you're going to take 165damage, not 87 (which is 3 skills you list x 29 dmg from Spiteful), unless you have good hex removal. I'm going to put BOTH Empathy and Spiteful on you if you're swinging at me. If you're silly enough to be Frenzied while you're using those 3 skills on me, it goes up to 330 damage - and I've only used 2 skills.
For those interested, my math: Empathy at 14 Domination is 29 damage, plus Spiteful at 12 curses is 26 damage = 55 damage per attack x 3 attacks = 165 damage. Under Frenzy, that's doubled to 330.
Really, my point is that this isn't a TERRIBLE skill. There are probably better, but it's not bad.
Man With No Name
Are you serious...we can theorise all day...
/sarcasm
Against my Ranger you wouldn't get either spell off and I'd hit you for 1000 damage
/end sarcasm
Clumsiness and Ineptitude are instant, armor ignoring spikes of damage, which make them hard to heal. When Frenzing, I fear that -- catches me completely off-guard. Hitting me for 300 instantly and before I can react will net you a kill -- hitting me for 30 with Spiteful once a second over 10 seconds won't -- I'll simply stop and ask for a convert.
I don't fear Empathy / Spiteful, with it's conditional damage and obvious warning. Where did you pull your 3 attacks and 165 from..?? I'll be stopping after I see the symbol pop up.
/sarcasm
Against my Ranger you wouldn't get either spell off and I'd hit you for 1000 damage
/end sarcasm
Clumsiness and Ineptitude are instant, armor ignoring spikes of damage, which make them hard to heal. When Frenzing, I fear that -- catches me completely off-guard. Hitting me for 300 instantly and before I can react will net you a kill -- hitting me for 30 with Spiteful once a second over 10 seconds won't -- I'll simply stop and ask for a convert.
I don't fear Empathy / Spiteful, with it's conditional damage and obvious warning. Where did you pull your 3 attacks and 165 from..?? I'll be stopping after I see the symbol pop up.
Corwin
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Originally Posted by Man With No Name
Are you serious...we can theorise all day...
/sarcasm
Against my Ranger you wouldn't get either spell off and I'd hit you for 1000 damage
/end sarcasm
Clumsiness and Ineptitude are instant, armor ignoring spikes of damage, which make them hard to heal. When Frenzing, I fear that -- catches me completely off-guard. Hitting me for 300 instantly and before I can react will net you a kill -- hitting me for 30 with Spiteful once a second over 10 seconds won't -- I'll simply stop and ask for a convert.
I don't fear Empathy / Spiteful, with it's conditional damage and obvious warning. Where did you pull your 3 attacks and 165 from..?? I'll be stopping after I see the symbol pop up. *chuckle*
I'm not arguing that Clumsiness + Ineptitude isn't a better combo against a warrior. All I was saying is that Spiteful isn't useless either.
It will also depend on where you're using it. Personally, I only like the skill for PvE or Random Arena, where the typical Warrior IS dumb enough to keep attacking through it and there isn't much hex removal going on.
So much hostility...
The funny thing (to me, anyway) is that I started to put a bunch of stuff in my original post about not playing in a vacuum, and hex removal pretty much screws the combo up. I opted not to, though, because I figured that was obvious. I suppose I should have put in, after all.
/sarcasm
Against my Ranger you wouldn't get either spell off and I'd hit you for 1000 damage
/end sarcasm
Clumsiness and Ineptitude are instant, armor ignoring spikes of damage, which make them hard to heal. When Frenzing, I fear that -- catches me completely off-guard. Hitting me for 300 instantly and before I can react will net you a kill -- hitting me for 30 with Spiteful once a second over 10 seconds won't -- I'll simply stop and ask for a convert.
I don't fear Empathy / Spiteful, with it's conditional damage and obvious warning. Where did you pull your 3 attacks and 165 from..?? I'll be stopping after I see the symbol pop up. *chuckle*
I'm not arguing that Clumsiness + Ineptitude isn't a better combo against a warrior. All I was saying is that Spiteful isn't useless either.
It will also depend on where you're using it. Personally, I only like the skill for PvE or Random Arena, where the typical Warrior IS dumb enough to keep attacking through it and there isn't much hex removal going on.
So much hostility...
The funny thing (to me, anyway) is that I started to put a bunch of stuff in my original post about not playing in a vacuum, and hex removal pretty much screws the combo up. I opted not to, though, because I figured that was obvious. I suppose I should have put in, after all.
Renegade_Zero
Ultimate IWAY counter. have a necro with this in a group with some trapping rangers, and whew it's over fast.
Charcoal Ann
the IMPORTANT thing with Spiteful is that it is AoE. Empathy isn't. Ineptitude isn't AoE. Clumsiness isn't AoE.
Remember that ALL the warriors in the enemy group should be going for one target. ALL those warriors will be taking dmg if the cursed one attacks. you can keep Spiteful Spirit on them indefinatly. and if you know how to stack your hexes then it probably won't be removed.
Clumsiness + Ineptitude is a good counter against one stupid warrior (of which there is more than an adequate sufficiency). Spiteful is good against a few warriors. it lasts for ages as well. is not stopping a warrior from attacking just as good as killing them? and if a warrior is stupid enough to keep going with ineptitude and clumsiness on then they are, sure as hell, stupid enough to keep going with Spiteful on.
I have asked the warriors of an FoW group NOT to attack with spiteful on. one will always continue. they will say but its ONLY 25 dmg.
Sure 25 to you. 25 to me as well. AND sir tanks alot on your right hand side. thats 75 dmg that the monks must heal. and thats PER attack. when i use it i have somewhere around 15 curses. that is 35 dmg to everyone near every 1.33 seconds for 20 seconds. i can keep this curse on 2 warriors indefinately. if i choose to go insane i can arcane echo it. at those stats i can do 525 dmg to everyone near JUST ONE OF THE CURSED. 1050dmg to everyone near the cursed couple.
of course thats only if they both stop attacking as soon as it goes on. however i have only met 2 warriors in my entire cursing history that stopped attacking when they had this on.
of course if they are flurrying then this goes up to 700 or so dmg per cursed one. if they are frenzeing then... oh dear is all i can say. (about 1400dmg to cursed one and 700 dmg to everyone around him, presuming that they aren't using frenzy as well.)
and all that is if you have a really good monk to keep up with all that dmg. Prot spirit doesn't work, the dmg comes in nice, bite sized chunks.
all this from a 15 energy spell?
IWAY dies in moments to this skill. any team with a stupid or inexperienced or non alert warrior or two will be seriously inconvenienced by this spell.
Remember that ALL the warriors in the enemy group should be going for one target. ALL those warriors will be taking dmg if the cursed one attacks. you can keep Spiteful Spirit on them indefinatly. and if you know how to stack your hexes then it probably won't be removed.
Clumsiness + Ineptitude is a good counter against one stupid warrior (of which there is more than an adequate sufficiency). Spiteful is good against a few warriors. it lasts for ages as well. is not stopping a warrior from attacking just as good as killing them? and if a warrior is stupid enough to keep going with ineptitude and clumsiness on then they are, sure as hell, stupid enough to keep going with Spiteful on.
I have asked the warriors of an FoW group NOT to attack with spiteful on. one will always continue. they will say but its ONLY 25 dmg.
Sure 25 to you. 25 to me as well. AND sir tanks alot on your right hand side. thats 75 dmg that the monks must heal. and thats PER attack. when i use it i have somewhere around 15 curses. that is 35 dmg to everyone near every 1.33 seconds for 20 seconds. i can keep this curse on 2 warriors indefinately. if i choose to go insane i can arcane echo it. at those stats i can do 525 dmg to everyone near JUST ONE OF THE CURSED. 1050dmg to everyone near the cursed couple.
of course thats only if they both stop attacking as soon as it goes on. however i have only met 2 warriors in my entire cursing history that stopped attacking when they had this on.
of course if they are flurrying then this goes up to 700 or so dmg per cursed one. if they are frenzeing then... oh dear is all i can say. (about 1400dmg to cursed one and 700 dmg to everyone around him, presuming that they aren't using frenzy as well.)
and all that is if you have a really good monk to keep up with all that dmg. Prot spirit doesn't work, the dmg comes in nice, bite sized chunks.
all this from a 15 energy spell?
IWAY dies in moments to this skill. any team with a stupid or inexperienced or non alert warrior or two will be seriously inconvenienced by this spell.