Thank you ArenaNet for making rune's completely worthless.
Thanks Rune Trader!
Algren Cole
Thank you ArenaNet for making rune's completely worthless.
TopGun
Rune prices were artificially high. Now they're realistic.
Seth Oriath
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Rune prices were artificially high. Now they're realistic.
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I definitely won't be happy when I'm trying to find that illusive Superior Fire rune for my ele alt.
Algren Cole
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Rune prices were artificially high. Now they're realistic.
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Rune's aren't even worth picking up anymore....It'd be more beneficial to leave them on the ground and use the inventory space for enchanted load stones. 25gp for a rune is ****ing ridiculous.....and anyone that doesn't realize it has serious issues with mental capacity.
Big Fat Duck
rofl i sell runes for 25 gold.. its funny actually
Algren Cole
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rofl i sell runes for 25 gold.. its funny actually
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it's a waste of inventory space. enchanted loadstones go for 25 gold a piece and they stack...what's the point in keeping runes...might as well just not pick them up
Red Locust
lol i see 3 mesmer runes. that's 75 gold right there. Is it just me or are mesmer runes a little too common? I have like 6 major/superior mesmer runes, and they are all worth less than 200g...
Creston
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Rune prices were artificially high. Now they're realistic.
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Minors, Majors, even Superiors. The rune trader has completely made the entire rune market worthless. There really should be a fixed level under which the trader won't go. Say, 300 for minors, 1000 for majors and 3000 for superiors. It doesn't really matter that one major is more valuable than another Superior, but right now we've gone from idiotic rune prices to useless rune prices.
Seriously, depending on where you find it, it's often MORE PROFITABLE to leave the rune IN THE ARMOR, and sell the armor.
Errr, I'd call that a bit of overkill towards the other side?
Creston
blood raven
yeah..
hey maybe there should be a godly weapons merchant eh? XD
hey maybe there should be a godly weapons merchant eh? XD
Eclair
Err, the reason some runes sell for that little is because they are WORTHLESS. Who in the right mind would use a superior energy storage, or a superior Inspiration Magic? Runes were worth more before the trader came in because people thought superior runes were "rare". Face it, they drop way too much to be rare, and since most of them are useless to most of the population, you're going to have a hard time selling them off even without the rune trader.
Just leave the rune in the armor if you know its not a popular one. You can get 200-300 gold at the merchant if you ID it first and don't salvage it.
Just leave the rune in the armor if you know its not a popular one. You can get 200-300 gold at the merchant if you ID it first and don't salvage it.
theclam
It's supply and demand. Rune prices are pretty close to what they should be worth. So what if you can't sell runes for a lot? You can buy runes cheaply, so who cares?
mark_owens1234
I agree. You all should read my GW rant, I will link you
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...036#post191036
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...036#post191036
Sekkira
Here's a nice justification of the posters rant.
Oh, and remember the people saying stuff like Sup Vigor wasn't worth it's price? It's getting there now through the rune trader.
Oh, and remember the people saying stuff like Sup Vigor wasn't worth it's price? It's getting there now through the rune trader.
Red Locust
In a way, the blood magic rune prices aren't surprising. Who in their right mind uses major runes? It's either minor or superior. Same with many superior runes. Some of them are just too useless for the 75hp hit. Why would I pay 20k for a superior beastmastery rune...
Algren Cole
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It's supply and demand. Rune prices are pretty close to what they should be worth. So what if you can't sell runes for a lot? You can buy runes cheaply, so who cares?
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I can't sell runes AT ALL. I gave every one of those runes away to noobs....
Red Locust
Even if you could, you'd get 25g for those runes you have. Don't bother, selling runes is not profitable anymore. On the bright side, everytime I make a new PvP char, I can just go to the rune trader, blow around 200g and get all my runes. No need to unlock them unless they're something popular that costs a heap.
Malchiel
I like rune traders. Stop ppl from gouging up prices like crazy.
As another poster said, some runes are simply not worth it. And that includes some superiors.
Minors are often time a better option.
As another poster said, some runes are simply not worth it. And that includes some superiors.
Minors are often time a better option.
MaglorD
How much is a superior vigor worth now? 25 gp?
Malchiel
still 85 plats last I checked.
Porkchop Sandwhiches
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How much is a superior vigor worth now? 25 gp?
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Malchiel
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No they're dear near 100k. Which is soo messed up. Someone who started really playing after they put in runes traders will now NEVER be able to buy a Sup. Vigor at that price from a rune trader because hey! They can't make that kind of money anymore.
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And the prices flactuate depending on the supply. I have seen it as low as 75 plat. So it pretty much is the same old price you're seeing on superior vigor.
For the others who don't think a superior vigor is worth it though, the other runes suddenly just became a whole LOT more affordable.
MaglorD
That's a relieve, so I'm still 100K rich 
Porkchop Sandwhiches
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sorry, weeks even before the rune trader, superior vigor were already selling for 100 plat.
And the prices flactuate depending on the supply. I have seen it as low as 75 plat. So it pretty much is the same old price you're seeing on superior vigor. For the others who don't think a superior vigor is worth it though, the other runes suddenly just became a whole LOT more affordable. |
kaheiyeh
Lowest i've seen is 120gold for Superior Illusion and Superior Fast Casting. It also seems like 120gold is the lowest the trader goes for any rune.
Malchiel
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That is not new news to me, I was talking about how this will effect newer players who don't have that kind of money. Older players who farmed the hell out of things and sold runes for insane prices are different than the new ones who can't.
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And those SUPERIOR runes that sell for 25 gold at the trader? Those ones usually take me days to sell. Not really the most efficient gold/time way to get rich.
So yeah, even back then those runes which now sell for 25 gold? Wasn't worth a whole lot. If it did, those superiors would have been sold a lot faster.
Spamming the trade channel for hours on end, was not worth my time. I'm glad for the rune trader. You can see the actual value of those runes.
Mr. Matt
I agree with the changes they have made. But one thing I do find odd is that dye is now a hell of a lot more expensive than runes. What's the difference? Well, dye has no practical value (other than from selling any that you find for a profit...), whereas runes do. That is a little weird, wouldn't you say?
NilePenguin
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Here's a nice justification of the posters rant.
Oh, and remember the people saying stuff like Sup Vigor wasn't worth it's price? It's getting there now through the rune trader. |
EcPercy
So, basically everyone is saying that, for instance, a major rune of absorption can be sold by the rune trader for 4plat, but they will give you 25g for it is acceptable???........ 
Tetris L
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It also seems like 120gold is the lowest the trader goes for any rune.
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Sekkira
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American server, I presume? Because on the european one, Sup Vigor is always 100k...
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Great Gjl
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I agree with the changes they have made. But one thing I do find odd is that dye is now a hell of a lot more expensive than runes. What's the difference? Well, dye has no practical value (other than from selling any that you find for a profit...), whereas runes do. That is a little weird, wouldn't you say?
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I don't think it's weird at all that people are paying more for dyes than Major Runes of Fast Casting, because I've seen a lot more people buy Black Dyes than aforementioned crappy rune. It's useless comparing crappy low-end items which nobody wants with end-game items in demand and using that as a basis for saying 'omg the rune trader sux.'
Wether or not this idea was taken up because of the thread I posted, I'd like to thank Anet for listening to the community on this one, and not the few rune farmers/botters who were controlling the economy with their virtual monopoly. Acquiring runes is no longer tedious.
BTW I have seen people say traders ensure money 'never leaves the economy', which is rediculous because player-player trading is the primary cause of that. The rune trader also pays out quite a lot less than the sell value since he takes his cut, causing money to leave the economy.
Creston
Okay, I understand the argument that most runes are now 25 gold because they're worthless. Doesn't this mean that the whole system is basically BROKEN?
We have, what, 60 different kinds of runes, and only 3 or 4 or so are actually worth anything? That sure sounds like a broken system to me.
Anet needs to reduce the hitpoint hit from major runes. Down to 25. I'd use a major rune if it took 25 health, and then make superior take 40. 50 and 75 is absurd, nobody uses it. 25 and 40 seems better? Any opinions?
I mean, if nobody is using the runes anyways, they might as well get rid of them completely?
Creston
We have, what, 60 different kinds of runes, and only 3 or 4 or so are actually worth anything? That sure sounds like a broken system to me.
Anet needs to reduce the hitpoint hit from major runes. Down to 25. I'd use a major rune if it took 25 health, and then make superior take 40. 50 and 75 is absurd, nobody uses it. 25 and 40 seems better? Any opinions?
I mean, if nobody is using the runes anyways, they might as well get rid of them completely?
Creston
Dazzler
Well, I for one am taking advantage of the cheapness of major runes: I bought and equipped 2 major runes instead of buying superior runes because they were so damn cheap. I have a -100HP penalty to get +2 to two of my attributes, which has been working out good for me.
Algren Cole
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Okay, I understand the argument that most runes are now 25 gold because they're worthless. Doesn't this mean that the whole system is basically BROKEN?
We have, what, 60 different kinds of runes, and only 3 or 4 or so are actually worth anything? That sure sounds like a broken system to me. Anet needs to reduce the hitpoint hit from major runes. Down to 25. I'd use a major rune if it took 25 health, and then make superior take 40. 50 and 75 is absurd, nobody uses it. 25 and 40 seems better? Any opinions? I mean, if nobody is using the runes anyways, they might as well get rid of them completely? Creston |
The basis for my entire argument as to why ArenaNet is a company that is doomed to fail. They have no aspect of scope analysis. It's almost like everyone of them learned to program in college....where teacher tells you what to do and you do it. There's no development....no thought process....no implementation scoping....They just think "A rune trader would be cool"...POOF there it is. They need to start thinking about how the changes they make are going to effect the game 3 months from now....not "how happy is everyone gonna be when they see this shiz". People don't know what they want...cuz they don't know what they already have....Programming for the sole purpose of pleasing the gamers is asinine...it's a practice that won't ever bring success....because people are stupid, and always will be. ArenaNet needs to stop catering.
but as I've said before...this game is a PvP that was targeted at PvE players....so I don't expect much support from the community or ArenaNet.
Aug
Minor runes were never very valuable. At most, you could've gotten 500g for them. And that was just price gouging. Now they're a more realistic value. Minor runes are very common. The rune trader's prices reflect that.
Major runes are slightly more valuable, because they're slightly less common.
Superior runes are pretty rare, but many of them aren't worth much (Sup Beastmastery, Sup Soul Reaping, etc) because they're pretty useless. If you get lucky and pull a Sup Vigor, Absorption, or Fire Magic, however, you're going to cash in. Vigor & Absorption are both near 100k at 10-11 PM EST.
As for newbies not being able to afford runes... sure they will. If you've paid any attention to the market at all, you'd see that the vast majority of rune prices have dropped like rocks. The first night the Rune Trader was out, you could sell id'd Minor Vigors for 1.5 plat. Easy. Now they're worth about 500G, at a high period. A lot of other runes have at least halved in value. Eventually the big ticket runes will also begin to drop off.
The Trader mechanic is, IMO, the best in-game system I've ever seen for ensuring items are sold at market value. I hope more games use the concept in the future. It's brilliant.
Algren - it's obvious you know as much about programming and software development processes as you do economics. Just stop typing while you're ahead
Major runes are slightly more valuable, because they're slightly less common.
Superior runes are pretty rare, but many of them aren't worth much (Sup Beastmastery, Sup Soul Reaping, etc) because they're pretty useless. If you get lucky and pull a Sup Vigor, Absorption, or Fire Magic, however, you're going to cash in. Vigor & Absorption are both near 100k at 10-11 PM EST.
As for newbies not being able to afford runes... sure they will. If you've paid any attention to the market at all, you'd see that the vast majority of rune prices have dropped like rocks. The first night the Rune Trader was out, you could sell id'd Minor Vigors for 1.5 plat. Easy. Now they're worth about 500G, at a high period. A lot of other runes have at least halved in value. Eventually the big ticket runes will also begin to drop off.
The Trader mechanic is, IMO, the best in-game system I've ever seen for ensuring items are sold at market value. I hope more games use the concept in the future. It's brilliant.
Algren - it's obvious you know as much about programming and software development processes as you do economics. Just stop typing while you're ahead
Great Gjl
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The basis for my entire argument as to why ArenaNet is a company that is doomed to fail. They have no aspect of scope analysis. It's almost like everyone of them learned to program in college....where teacher tells you what to do and you do it. There's no development....no thought process....no implementation scoping....They just think "A rune trader would be cool"...POOF there it is. They need to start thinking about how the changes they make are going to effect the game 3 months from now....not "how happy is everyone gonna be when they see this shiz". People don't know what they want...cuz they don't know what they already have....Programming for the sole purpose of pleasing the gamers is asinine...it's a practice that won't ever bring success....because people are stupid, and always will be. ArenaNet needs to stop catering.
but as I've said before...this game is a PvP that was targeted at PvE players....so I don't expect much support from the community or ArenaNet. |
Algren Cole
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I didn't see any arguments in there, just a bunch of petty insults and unfounded assumptions regurgitated out into a mass of bad grammar and spelling. It was nice of you to warn us you were talking shit from the first sentence, though.
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I see 'everyone' instead of 'every one' and 'cuz' instead of 'because'.....
the final line of post sums up how much I care about you're opinion of my "bad grammar and poor spelling"
Tyil Thunder Arrow
I do not like the rune trader idea only cause it makes it way to easy for anyone who buys gold off ebay to beef up. On the flip side i am sure it has killed ebay traders of runes. Unfortunately it has killed in game worth as well.
A downward spiral
A downward spiral
Great Gjl
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I see 'everyone' instead of 'every one' and 'cuz' instead of 'because'.....
the final line of post sums up how much I care about you're opinion of my "bad grammar and poor spelling" |
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Since we're being pedantic, I'd like to point out I said 'bad grammar and spelling', and not 'bad grammar and poor spelling,' and that I wasn't referring to just the two spelling mistakes you pointed out. It's also 'your' opinion, not 'you're.' See? I can write pointless shit too.
Moskel
The only reason runes were 'worth' what they were 'worth' was due to artifical scarcity caused by the huge number of different runes available, the limited player storage space, and the inadequate trading system to facilitate deals between buyer and seller.
Next up I hope we see a weapon upgrade trader, then you'll see just how common the 'WTS +20 fortitude <insert weapon part name here>, 10k' upgrades really are. There is no reason to constrain markets with artificial scarcity if they have the ability to code us a good solution which the rune trader is.
The rune trader isn't 'costing you money'. All of the runes you BUY are cheaper too. If you were farming and selling runes, well guess what, the rune trader doesn't sell unidentified runes, so farm, salvage and sell all you want still.
Next up I hope we see a weapon upgrade trader, then you'll see just how common the 'WTS +20 fortitude <insert weapon part name here>, 10k' upgrades really are. There is no reason to constrain markets with artificial scarcity if they have the ability to code us a good solution which the rune trader is.
The rune trader isn't 'costing you money'. All of the runes you BUY are cheaper too. If you were farming and selling runes, well guess what, the rune trader doesn't sell unidentified runes, so farm, salvage and sell all you want still.