Ideas:
1. Different Colors.
2. Trade Districts.
3. Ban Idiots.
4. Auction House.
5. Block WTB/WTS etc. from all chat.
All of these are good ideas.
For number one maybe they could sell you the temporary use of a different color for selling. Say 10 entries for 1plat. Seems fair.
For number two districts one and two are trade districts, they just need to be made official.
For number 3 this is always a good idea; no one likes idiots.
Number four is something they are either not going to do or are holding for the expansion tso they can make that bank! They claim they are going to make stuff like that free, but I doubt it.
Number 5 would be unnecessary but still good after 1-4 were implimented.
Something must be done !!!
cc.pyro
Oni No Arashi
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Originally Posted by Algren Cole
If something like this bothers you that much....you are totally unprepared mentally for the real world.
and yes....it's common knowledge that Dist 1 and 2 are used for Trade....that's not to say that Trade doesnt happen in other districts...or that people should be using the Chat channel for Trade....but Creston was right. If I were you I'd turn my computer off for a week or two and evaluate what is actually important in my life.....cuz I'm most certain "Getting people to stop using the Chat channel for Trade" wouldn't be high on my list. |
No where on the Guildwars.com site do I see a ruling that District 1 and 2 are for Trade only. I see that it's against the rules for using the chat channells wrong and for spamming many lines of crap for trade.
Thus: No you're wrong. It's not common knowledge. District 1 and 2 are usually the ones that are the most full by game design, they're the districts that are always open. Thus they're the best places to group up also.
http://www.guildwars.com/legal/rules-of-conduct.html
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| 5. # When communicating in Guild Wars using Global Chat (including, without limitation, server wide chat and use of the whisper command), you may not spam, flood, or make duplicate posts. For more information, please see the User Agreement section 4 (j). |
Again, no where does it say that you can't trade in the general chat, nor does it say that District 1 and 2 are for trading. It says that blasting that crap ovr and over and over again are against the rules.
EULA section 4(j) actually says this.
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| (j) In Guild Wars, characters have the privilege of sending server wide messages called 'Chat Messages.' With this privilege comes a high level of responsibility on the part of the user. Due to the fact that this communication channel has the ability to impact every player on the server, NC Interactive will not tolerate any inappropriate behavior of any sort in this chat channel. This includes but is not limited to: inappropriate language of any sort or any attempt to escape the profanity filter, inappropriate or vulgar content of any sort, repeated 'spamming,' or 'flooding' of the chat messages channel, or any other conduct determined to be inappropriate by NC Interactive Support, in its sole discretion. Any violation of this term or rules of conduct may, in the sole discretion of NC Interactive, lead to the temporary removal of the character’s ability to communicate, the account being suspended for a set period of time, or lead to permanent account closure. |
However, those here saying that District 1 and 2 are only for trade need to read the rules. It's for playing the game. Meaning if you're going to spam your trading stuff every half second, constantly... you're interfering with us that are looking for groups to play. Thus you're breaking the rules.
Algren Cole
you made that entire post...went through all that effort...wasted all that time because you couldn't read.
I said "common knowledge"...not that there is any rule about it. The Chat channel should not be used for Trade...I agree with this. Do I care if it's enforced...absolutely not. I have things like Bills...work....keeping my house together..supporting my child to worry about. People spamming the chat channel is the very last thing on my list of worries...right underneath whether or not Summer and that goofy shaggy haired kid from OC will get back together.
I said "common knowledge"...not that there is any rule about it. The Chat channel should not be used for Trade...I agree with this. Do I care if it's enforced...absolutely not. I have things like Bills...work....keeping my house together..supporting my child to worry about. People spamming the chat channel is the very last thing on my list of worries...right underneath whether or not Summer and that goofy shaggy haired kid from OC will get back together.
sleazeh
I have often thought that having "admins" in each town, in the same vein as in various fps public servers, would go along way to reducing the problems seen in chat channel abuse.
Characters with the guild tag [a.net] or [admin] or something, that have the power to kick problem players from the district, or in extreme cases, temp ban or perm ban. Individuals would be chosen based on experience and trust by the development team.
Aside from the aforementioned trade spam spilling over into the general channel, I've seen all manner of racist, derogatory, and inflammatory commentary as well. Not to mention discusions about religion, politics...to the point where, even if one didn't find the comments themselves offensive, it becomes impossible to sift through all the rapdily scrolling text to actually find a message that pertains to something useful - like trying to put together a group, for example.
To think that monitoring channel chat can or does occur remotely by the development team is unrealistic, just in terms of the sheer volume alone.
If you wanted to make the admins (for lack of a better term) more immersive in the RP element of the game, have the characters "roles" be Town Councillors or Constabulatory or something.
Characters with the guild tag [a.net] or [admin] or something, that have the power to kick problem players from the district, or in extreme cases, temp ban or perm ban. Individuals would be chosen based on experience and trust by the development team.
Aside from the aforementioned trade spam spilling over into the general channel, I've seen all manner of racist, derogatory, and inflammatory commentary as well. Not to mention discusions about religion, politics...to the point where, even if one didn't find the comments themselves offensive, it becomes impossible to sift through all the rapdily scrolling text to actually find a message that pertains to something useful - like trying to put together a group, for example.
To think that monitoring channel chat can or does occur remotely by the development team is unrealistic, just in terms of the sheer volume alone.
If you wanted to make the admins (for lack of a better term) more immersive in the RP element of the game, have the characters "roles" be Town Councillors or Constabulatory or something.
provoko
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you made that entire post...went through all that effort...wasted all that time because you couldn't read.
Do I care if it's enforced...absolutely not. I have things like Bills... |
Algren cole, you gotta understand the problem, the thread maker is trying to enjoy the game by creating groups in lions arch to do quests, but can't because people are spamming trade crap in 'all'.
If all of sudden the thing you did in the game became frustrating because the structure of the game didn't allow you to, then what would you do? Stop playing the game and coming to these forums? You'd give up that easliy? Thats not how the real world works.
You mentioned the real world, well in real life when you get a bill for 500 dollars when it was supposed to be 50 dollars, what do you do, shut off the real world (Haha)? No, you call up the company and yell at them, they say no, you go to some agency to complain about them, find 100 people with the same problem, make a class action suit and finally get your money back.
Thats the real world and the same principles apply in a virtual world. Theres a problem, you say something about it, find other people that share your problem and then do something about it. Thats what the thread maker did.
Form reading the thread, OBVIOUSLY everyone agrees there are problems with trading. So in the next content patch, or the one after, the devs should come up with an auction house/store, LIKE ALMOST EVERY MMO OUT THERE HAS. Haha.
I think two trade channels, with different colors, would be a quick solutions to this problem (one for buying, other for selling). But in the long run there should definitely be an auction house or store front. You post your item up with a price which everyone can see and they bid on it or buy it; no one will ever spam again.
Sleazeh's reply above is something that should be going on right now. There should be an ingame admin sitting in channels and monitering them for racisim and spam. That would solve trade spam spilling over into 'all'.
Navaros
most of you complain about "trade spam" yet at the same time entirely miss the point that spamming your goods is the only way you are ever likely to find a suitable buyer for your items, due to the limited trade interface of the game
it is the lack of an auction house which forces players' hands into doing this
they are not spamming the All channel in order to be jerks
they are posting in the All channel because most players do not like getting migraine headaches, hence they turn their trade tab off so as it doesn't give them one.
hence, advertising only in the trade channel does not get your item seen by enough people due to the fact that most people have the trade tab off
on top of that, as mentioned earlier, the text that is in the trade channel scrolls by way too fast anyhow. so even those who have the trade tab on are not likely to read anything posted in it
i don't like seeing "LFG" spam in my All channel. that is extremely annoying. but i put up with it because i realize spamming the All channel with that stuff is the only way to find a party (aside from having a Guild).
it's the same principle with the trading in the All channel
bottom line: Guild Wars current trade system makes it necessary to post items in the All channel; that is a problem with game mechanics - not players posting their items in the All channel
it is the lack of an auction house which forces players' hands into doing this
they are not spamming the All channel in order to be jerks
they are posting in the All channel because most players do not like getting migraine headaches, hence they turn their trade tab off so as it doesn't give them one.
hence, advertising only in the trade channel does not get your item seen by enough people due to the fact that most people have the trade tab off
on top of that, as mentioned earlier, the text that is in the trade channel scrolls by way too fast anyhow. so even those who have the trade tab on are not likely to read anything posted in it
i don't like seeing "LFG" spam in my All channel. that is extremely annoying. but i put up with it because i realize spamming the All channel with that stuff is the only way to find a party (aside from having a Guild).
it's the same principle with the trading in the All channel
bottom line: Guild Wars current trade system makes it necessary to post items in the All channel; that is a problem with game mechanics - not players posting their items in the All channel
Dirkiess
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most of you complain about "trade spam" yet at the same time entirely miss the point that spamming your goods is the only way you are ever likely to find a suitable buyer for your items, due to the limited trade interface of the game
it is the lack of an auction house which forces players' hands into doing this they are not spamming the All channel in order to be jerks they are posting in the All channel because most players do not like getting migraine headaches, hence they turn their trade tab off so as it doesn't give them one. hence, advertising only in the trade channel does not get your item seen by enough people due to the fact that most people have the trade tab off on top of that, as mentioned earlier, the text that is in the trade channel scrolls by way too fast anyhow. so even those who have the trade tab on are not likely to read anything posted in it i don't like seeing "LFG" spam in my All channel. that is extremely annoying. but i put up with it because i realize spamming the All channel with that stuff is the only way to find a party (aside from having a Guild). it's the same principle with the trading in the All channel bottom line: Guild Wars current trade system makes it necessary to post items in the All channel; that is a problem with game mechanics - not players posting their items in the All channel |
If people wanted to buy something, they would have the trade channel switched on.
If people don't sell there items, then maybe they should just go and sell them to the merchant and go play the game, instead of spoiling other peoples game, by Spamming there Trade in the All Chat, just because they have a pissy fit in not being able to sell there items. I say that is tough. I've had a lot of stuff that I just couldn't be bothered to stand around and try and sell because of all the spam going on and the the moaning that happens in game.
We all pay our money to play the game, and most of us use it in the proper way.
I still go by my last Post, that there should be 1 or 2 Trade districts only, at the major towns. If people want to buy and sell they go there. No other form of business is done in these districts, whether questing or mission hunting.
If people want to Trade until there hearts are content, they can do so within reason. No mass spamming, cheating, scamming etc as this will all be a lot easier to monitor in just 1 or 2 districts per town.
I can see this being another thread that is going to keep going on and on, as everyone has there opinion, disagreements, arguments, frustrations etc etc.
Nothing will happen until A-Net do something to change or improve things.
In the mean time, I just say everyone that is not trading and wants to play the game, stay out of D1 and D2 in Ascalon and Lions Arch.
Ok, we shouldn't have to do this, as they are not official Trade Depots, but at least you'll find a group somewhere outside those areas.
hydrak
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they are not spamming the All channel in order to be jerks
they are posting in the All channel because most players do not like getting migraine headaches, hence they turn their trade tab off so as it doesn't give them one. hence, advertising only in the trade channel does not get your item seen by enough people due to the fact that most people have the trade tab off |
OneArmedScissor
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Originally Posted by salja Wachi
why would yo uban them?????
simple SPAMMING!!!!!!!!1 spamming is not allowed and to use the local chat channel for trade is spamming pure and simple. using a channel for anyting other than it's intended us is spamming. and as for getting a group it is impossible because of all the trading giong on in local channel |
"Wow... dis. 1 and 2 are full of traders. I guess I'll stay here and try to find a group when no one wants to group."
Brilliant logic I see going on here.
GoblinBoy
If I want to buy/sell something I turn the trade channel on and the rest off. I don't find it hard to work with the current tade system. If I'm not looking to do any trading then the trade channel is off. People that trade in the all channel, I ask them to use the trade channel, if they don't I leave the district. Most of the time they stop, except for the person that is looking for an arguement, which in that case I leave anyways.
Just my $.000001
Just my $.000001
hydrak
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"Wow... dis. 1 and 2 are full of traders. "
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OneArmedScissor
Because it's the truth.
If you have to use the scroll bar constantly to see what people are saying due to traders. One can assume that it is full of traders. If this isn't enough, just read what text is actually being posted in these districts.
If you have to use the scroll bar constantly to see what people are saying due to traders. One can assume that it is full of traders. If this isn't enough, just read what text is actually being posted in these districts.
hydrak
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Because it's the truth.
If you have to use the scroll bar constantly to see what people are saying due to traders. One can assume that it is full of traders. If this isn't enough, just read what text is actually being posted in these districts. |
Listen, district 1 or 2 has more trade spams because it has more people. It has more traders, but it also has more people who are looking for quest group. Do you ever think of that?
How about you try to go to district 50 and look for quest group there? I'm sure there is no trade spam there...
OneArmedScissor
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That's is just great logic.
Listen, district 1 or 2 has more trade spams because it has more people. It has more traders, but it also has more people who are looking for quest group. Do you ever think of that? How about you try to go to district 50 and look for quest group there? I'm sure there is no trade spam there... |
Most people looking for groups are within dis. 10-3
hydrak
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I'm not the one with the personal problem of not being able to find a group.
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Rieselle
The fundamental problem is the trade channel is just not very good - think about it. The more people post in the trade channel, the quicker my post gets scrolled out. So I feel compelled to spam more often, which scrolls out other people's posts more quickly, so they feel they need to spam more often. And then the trade channel becomes a rapid blur of repeated spam, and everyone turns it off. So if I want to get people to read my spam, I have to do it in the all channel, because people who are LFG won't turn it off.
Rather than making useless rules, or banning people, or even hiring an intern to monitor it (god, what a job that would be!), they need to improve the trade channel/system so that it's better for the purpose it was intended.
1. You can shift click an item, and a "link" to it gets placed in your spam text. People can mouse-over the link and see all the details of the item. Similar features exist in both WoW and EQ2. This "link" feature does NOT work in All chat. It only works in Trade, Guild, and Whisper chat. Now you can post all the details about the thing you want to sell, without needing to type a lot!
2. Make the trade channel searcheable. Heck, make all the chat text searchable.
3. You can only post to the trade channel once every minute or something like that.
There, simple changes that would have a large effect. Of course, we'd all rather have a full-blown trading system, like an Auction House, bulletin board, package mail, etc. But this is a quick easy fix whilst we wait for that. (And regardless of whether an AH gets created or not, being able to "link" to items in your chat text is a good feature anyway.)
Rather than making useless rules, or banning people, or even hiring an intern to monitor it (god, what a job that would be!), they need to improve the trade channel/system so that it's better for the purpose it was intended.
1. You can shift click an item, and a "link" to it gets placed in your spam text. People can mouse-over the link and see all the details of the item. Similar features exist in both WoW and EQ2. This "link" feature does NOT work in All chat. It only works in Trade, Guild, and Whisper chat. Now you can post all the details about the thing you want to sell, without needing to type a lot!
2. Make the trade channel searcheable. Heck, make all the chat text searchable.
3. You can only post to the trade channel once every minute or something like that.
There, simple changes that would have a large effect. Of course, we'd all rather have a full-blown trading system, like an Auction House, bulletin board, package mail, etc. But this is a quick easy fix whilst we wait for that. (And regardless of whether an AH gets created or not, being able to "link" to items in your chat text is a good feature anyway.)
Radical
I have to agree with you all. Finding a group to head out with is difficult with all of the WTS and WTB in common.
There are a lot of good ideas, filtering would seem to be the best and easiest to implement. Scan the strings and re-route to the Trade channel.
It would be really cool if ANet could set up a Trader's District where you could set up your own shop. I click on you and get an inventory just like at the Storage Area. It would make trading easier and reduce the need to head off to sites like RPGTraders...
There are a lot of good ideas, filtering would seem to be the best and easiest to implement. Scan the strings and re-route to the Trade channel.
It would be really cool if ANet could set up a Trader's District where you could set up your own shop. I click on you and get an inventory just like at the Storage Area. It would make trading easier and reduce the need to head off to sites like RPGTraders...
provoko
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Try staying out of districts 1 and 2 if you're having problems.
"Wow... dis. 1 and 2 are full of traders. I guess I'll stay here and try to find a group when no one wants to group." Brilliant logic I see going on here. |
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There is a reason why people have their trade tab off. It is to get away from the trade spams. What tab should these people turn off now that everyone starts spamming in the all channel? Trades should only be spammed in the trade channels, there is no excuse for spamming in the all channels.
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Algren Cole
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Algren cole, you gotta understand the problem, the thread maker is trying to enjoy the game by creating groups in lions arch to do quests, but can't because people are spamming trade crap in 'all'. If all of sudden the thing you did in the game became frustrating because the structure of the game didn't allow you to, then what would you do? Stop playing the game and coming to these forums? You'd give up that easliy? Thats not how the real world works. |
that's life...it's not always catered to what you want. I'd deal with it and continue looking for a group.
salja Wachi
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that's life...it's not always catered to what you want. I'd deal with it and continue looking for a group.
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you said it exactly. the "all" channel should not cater to you just because you do not like the pink chat.
follow the rules or get banned. why is that such a hard concept to understand?
JoDiamonds
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I dont advocate spamming in the local channels, but sometimes leaving one or two WTB in the locals wont hurt anyone. i dont know about anyone else, but when im buying and selling stuff after a while the pink text starts to blur together... so sometimes the white text makes a nice change. and another thing, most people who spam their items, have local chat turned off, and vice versa, local people have trade channel turned off, so in order to maximize your potential buyers it only makes sense to put it in local and trade channels...
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Maybe it makes sense, but it also makes you suck.
salja Wachi
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I disagree with this idea completely. There's a REASON people turn off trade chat, and you are trying to defeat it in order to make a buck.
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woohoo my friend finally someone says it the way it is. these guys are so greedy it seems that they will do anything to make some gold.
I agree people who do this SUCK!!!!! they are selfish morons who think that rules do not apply to them.
i would bet they think that in RL as well.
Algren Cole
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you said it exactly. the "all" channel should not cater to you just because you do not like the pink chat.
follow the rules or get banned. why is that such a hard concept to understand? |
QTFsniper
If A.net would make an announcement saying that players who use the ALL channel for trading would be banned, Im sure alot of it would be instantly stopped. Is that so hard? Right now, they should just merge all of that chat channels cause it sure as hell isnt doing any good in some districts.
Lampshade
Ban WTB and WTS from All chat.
If you say it in All the server detects is and says STOP or else.....
If you say it in All the server detects is and says STOP or else.....
OneArmedScissor
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You were saying that "district 1 or 2 is the traders' district." I'm just pointing out the greatness of your logic.
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Rhedd
See, not to pick on anyone in particular, but Angryhob0z's opinions are exactly what's causing the problem.
Sure, people turn off the trade channel so if you're using that channel to sell, a lot of people won't hear your message. Know WHY people turn off the trade channel? Because they don't WANT to hear your advertisement! Think about it.
Sure, people turn off the trade channel so if you're using that channel to sell, a lot of people won't hear your message. Know WHY people turn off the trade channel? Because they don't WANT to hear your advertisement! Think about it.
OneArmedScissor
If they banned "WTS" and "WTB", people would just use "FT" and "ISO".
You think people are greedy for trying to trade an item? LOL
Ok then... I think you're greedy because you won't give me your account.
The whole trading system in general sucks in GW.
At least in D2 there were actual trading channels.
You think people are greedy for trying to trade an item? LOL
Ok then... I think you're greedy because you won't give me your account.
The whole trading system in general sucks in GW.
At least in D2 there were actual trading channels.
provoko
In D2 it was WUW (what you want) and WUG (what you got). Soooo annoying. For some reason they only started doing that towards patch 1.10, so for 2 years it was 'Selling/Buying' then all of a sudden all these dumb looking WUW WUG WUW WUG showed up.
KaPe
"The fundamental problem is the trade channel is just not very good - think about it. The more people post in the trade channel, the quicker my post gets scrolled out. So I feel compelled to spam more often, which scrolls out other people's posts more quickly, so they feel they need to spam more often"
Here's something new to you - if you *have* to spam to get your thing noticed, than maybe, just maybe, it's crap and no one wants to buy it. It's just plain stupid seeing someone spam "WTS crappy sword of uselesness" just because they feel they *have* to sell it. It's not trade chat fault, it's people fault. Perhaps introducing some anti-spam measure like no posting on trade chat for 30 secs after last offer or something. But *not* spamming on 'all'.
Good offer will get noticed quickly without need for repeating itself 10 times.
Here's something new to you - if you *have* to spam to get your thing noticed, than maybe, just maybe, it's crap and no one wants to buy it. It's just plain stupid seeing someone spam "WTS crappy sword of uselesness" just because they feel they *have* to sell it. It's not trade chat fault, it's people fault. Perhaps introducing some anti-spam measure like no posting on trade chat for 30 secs after last offer or something. But *not* spamming on 'all'.
Good offer will get noticed quickly without need for repeating itself 10 times.
StandardAI
Any all talk message with WTB or WTS should automatically be filtered, but it's not.
Divinitys Creature
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Any all talk message with WTB or WTS should automatically be filtered, but it's not.
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In addition, since people need to trade and there is a s/load of trading going on, make a few trade channels:
| WEAPONS | MODS | RUNES | MATERIALS | SERVICES |
Maybe a mirror of these channels for buy and sell so you have:
| WEAPONS | MODS | RUNES | MATERIALS | SERVICES |<---buying
| WEAPONS | MODS | RUNES | MATERIALS | SERVICES |<---selling
I suggest this since it's probably very easy to just add a couple of channels than a full fledged solution to the trading issue, like an auction house or shops or something. For the record I think individual player shops are not good.
This set of channels may be messy, but it is more organised and would cut down on spam and it would be easier to buy and sell.
Rieselle
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"The fundamental problem is the trade channel is just not very good - think about it. The more people post in the trade channel, the quicker my post gets scrolled out. So I feel compelled to spam more often, which scrolls out other people's posts more quickly, so they feel they need to spam more often"
Here's something new to you - if you *have* to spam to get your thing noticed, than maybe, just maybe, it's crap and no one wants to buy it. It's just plain stupid seeing someone spam "WTS crappy sword of uselesness" just because they feel they *have* to sell it. It's not trade chat fault, it's people fault. Perhaps introducing some anti-spam measure like no posting on trade chat for 30 secs after last offer or something. But *not* spamming on 'all'. Good offer will get noticed quickly without need for repeating itself 10 times. |
Navaros
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There is a reason why people have their trade tab off. It is to get away from the trade spams. What tab should these people turn off now that everyone starts spamming in the all channel? Trades should only be spammed in the trade channels, there is no excuse for spamming in the all channels.
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well the thing is, people who post items in the All channel also want to get away from the trade spam hence their trade channel is off too
the trade channel is nothing but headache-causing chaos. total anarchy. the argument from most of you that "traders should not stop people who don't want to sell from enjoying the game by spamming in the All channel" is in fact a two sided coin
there is a counter-argument to that. which is, saying that anyone who wants to sell or buy something must be forced into the anarchy of the trade channel is ruining their enjoyment of the game
you guys can not place those who don't want to trade's collective enjoyment of the game above those who do want to trade; yet not in a way that will cause them headaches and grief
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there is a counter-argument to that. which is, saying that anyone who wants to sell or buy something must be forced into the anarchy of the trade channel is ruining their enjoyment of the game you guys can not place those who don't want to trade's collective enjoyment of the game above those who do want to trade; yet not in a way that will cause them headaches and grief |
Most people who want to buy and sell are probably looking at the trade chat, that being the officially designated place to do so. It's really not in the seller or buyer's best interest to post in the general chat: (1) They are not reaching their most likely target market (2) They are pissing off potential future customers who are less likely to buy from them.
I know that even if I want an item, I won't buy it from someone advertising in the general (local) chat. I'm sure I'm not the only one.
Rhedd
So, I apologize if this suggesition is buried somewhere in the above discussion and I missed it, but...
Can anyone give me ANY reasonable use for having the ability to resend the same message over and over? Wouldn't simply removing the ability to hit the up arrow and resend the same message almost completely fry spamming?
I can't really see your average spammer retyping their entire item description every two seconds. ^_^
Removing the random roll function in cities totally killed the gambling problem. Sometimes the simplest solution is the best.
And no, JoDiamonds, you aren't the only one. I won't buy anything from anyone advertising on the general channel either. If everyone did the same, the problem would instantly be solved.
That's the REALLY simple solution.
Can anyone give me ANY reasonable use for having the ability to resend the same message over and over? Wouldn't simply removing the ability to hit the up arrow and resend the same message almost completely fry spamming?
I can't really see your average spammer retyping their entire item description every two seconds. ^_^
Removing the random roll function in cities totally killed the gambling problem. Sometimes the simplest solution is the best.
And no, JoDiamonds, you aren't the only one. I won't buy anything from anyone advertising on the general channel either. If everyone did the same, the problem would instantly be solved.
That's the REALLY simple solution.
provoko
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Originally Posted by JoDiamonds
While I appreciate the sentiment, I think it's twisted. However, as an aside:
Most people who want to buy and sell are probably looking at the trade chat, that being the officially designated place to do so. It's really not in the seller or buyer's best interest to post in the general chat: (1) They are not reaching their most likely target market (2) They are pissing off potential future customers who are less likely to buy from them. I know that even if I want an item, I won't buy it from someone advertising in the general (local) chat. I'm sure I'm not the only one. |
Did everyone hear that, I don't even have 'ALL' on when I'm trading!
Theres enough suggestions in this thread for the developers to work with. Theres no use in talking about this topic any more.
EmperorTippy
Personally I won't buy anything in all chat except sigils. Before you flame me read what I say. I use trade for everthing except sigils because there are many smaller guilds that are looking for a sigil and if they see one for sale for a good price they will buy it with minimum hassle. I only post the WTS: Celestial Sigil - Whisper me for details once in each district in LA and then go of and do something else for 15-30 miniutes and come back and do the same thing. I almost always get a buyer with minimum hassle and if anyone ask me to stop using local I say no problem and stop or go to another district.
*dons pyromancer robes and ward against foes* flame away
*dons pyromancer robes and ward against foes* flame away
Algren Cole
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Originally Posted by KaPe
"The fundamental problem is the trade channel is just not very good - think about it. The more people post in the trade channel, the quicker my post gets scrolled out. So I feel compelled to spam more often, which scrolls out other people's posts more quickly, so they feel they need to spam more often"
Here's something new to you - if you *have* to spam to get your thing noticed, than maybe, just maybe, it's crap and no one wants to buy it. It's just plain stupid seeing someone spam "WTS crappy sword of uselesness" just because they feel they *have* to sell it. It's not trade chat fault, it's people fault. Perhaps introducing some anti-spam measure like no posting on trade chat for 30 secs after last offer or something. But *not* spamming on 'all'. Good offer will get noticed quickly without need for repeating itself 10 times. |
not everything is crap...some items are only usefull for a small population. I have two items that aren't the most popular items but would fetch a fair penny more than they are worth to the Trader if I sold them to a player....I'm sure many people agree that selling a Gold item to the weapons trader isn't the greatest idea. ArenaNET needs to work on the whole trade functionality of this game. I'm not sure if they anticipated it as being such a large part of the game. They should look into putting together a town/outpost, with a map point visible to everyone by default, where people can go to trade.....and have a GIANT trade window(like a market). This would alleviate much of the problem.
Jaythen Tyradel
about as bad as trade spam is guild spam.
Join My Guild! We be coolz! Got Nice Capes and Nice People to play with! Guild hall coming soon!
There are some that spam so fast and repeatedly...I am convinced they are bots.
More Channels mean more areas for people to spam.
The possible...POSSIBLE....solution to both guild and trade spams are selling areas(towns) for people who wish to trade..and an area for guilds to post recruitment notices. Problem still is that people wont utilize them and spam thinking that they will get noticed more. Part of the reason I believe people spam the ALL chat is that alot of us (including myself) have the trade chat turned off.
Join My Guild! We be coolz! Got Nice Capes and Nice People to play with! Guild hall coming soon!
There are some that spam so fast and repeatedly...I am convinced they are bots.
More Channels mean more areas for people to spam.
The possible...POSSIBLE....solution to both guild and trade spams are selling areas(towns) for people who wish to trade..and an area for guilds to post recruitment notices. Problem still is that people wont utilize them and spam thinking that they will get noticed more. Part of the reason I believe people spam the ALL chat is that alot of us (including myself) have the trade chat turned off.