All the noobs choose warriors?
Phoenix Avenger
Is this just happening to me? Or are only warriors screwing up missions? They go aggro everything, we tell them to retreat, they dont, we have to stay and keep attacking or he dies and curses us out. Then we lose cause we now have DPs. Are all the noobs choosing warriors now? Because it sure does seem like they are. Someone should develop a quick warrior IQ test that ppl can ask warriors before they let them in a group. I would pay lots of gold for that. Warriors have screwed up so many of the missions i've been on, its crazy, so i guess my question to everyone is, are warriors screwing up a lot of your missions as well?
Reiden Argrock
lol, in some cases I can agree with you, I have had my experience with shall we say, not the smartest of people, however I am a warrior and I have to say that I know when to charge and when not to.
If you are having difficulties finding a good group to do a mission, by all means send me a pm and I'll do what I can to help out, I've helped alot of people who I don't know, get through difficult missions just cause they asked, and were polite, so if you can't find any good warriors, let me know
If you are having difficulties finding a good group to do a mission, by all means send me a pm and I'll do what I can to help out, I've helped alot of people who I don't know, get through difficult missions just cause they asked, and were polite, so if you can't find any good warriors, let me know
Dusk_
It could be much worse. Imagine if all the noobs decided to make healer monks. *Shudder*
funbun
Warriors in GW are like Night Elves in WoW. All the n00bs get a Night Elf Hunter and name him Legolas.
Aloren
I can always help you out. I can't say all the noobs are choosing warrior, as I have seen noobs as they would be called in every class.
Charging can sometimes help, but it's usually better to let a ranged attacker pull the enemies back to the war, where he/she can then begin tanking.
Charging can sometimes help, but it's usually better to let a ranged attacker pull the enemies back to the war, where he/she can then begin tanking.
Reiden Argrock
lol, then their would be lots of healers 
we seem to be short of those, however it would be bad to have healers in group who don't know what their doing, and so everyone dies.
I don't think their is a class that caters to less than intelligent people, I think that their are certain class's that seem like they are super, (w/mo), and simple to play and so that is what most people start out as. However after a while people either learn that while easy to play, they can be quite difficult to be good at, and so people either switch class's with a new char, or learn how to play
"learn how to play" being wishful thinking, there are still some people who make it to hell's precipice and still don't know what the hell their doing...
we seem to be short of those, however it would be bad to have healers in group who don't know what their doing, and so everyone dies.I don't think their is a class that caters to less than intelligent people, I think that their are certain class's that seem like they are super, (w/mo), and simple to play and so that is what most people start out as. However after a while people either learn that while easy to play, they can be quite difficult to be good at, and so people either switch class's with a new char, or learn how to play
"learn how to play" being wishful thinking, there are still some people who make it to hell's precipice and still don't know what the hell their doing...
Arvydas
i'm a warrior myself and believe me most of the time, at least for me, it's a caster who screwed up the missions for us. there was once an E/W who thought he/she was a W/E and aggro'ed, died, then rezzed by me. but i agree warriors have the tendency to screw up more than any other classes do. i've been with a lvl 20 (supposedly not a noob) W/Mo who ran away from the group, died, and left the game. Of course we didnt get to finish the mission 
Algren Cole
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i'm a warrior myself and believe me most of the time, at least for me, it's a caster who screwed up the missions for us. there was once an E/W who thought he/she was a W/E and aggro'ed, died, then rezzed by me. but i agree warriors have the tendency to screw up more than any other classes do. i've been with a lvl 20 (supposedly not a noob) W/Mo who ran away from the group, died, and left the game. Of course we didnt get to finish the mission
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first time I tried Villainy our Warrior aggro'd everything he could find. I had not choice but to rush the portal. <3 Sprint + Lightning Reflexes
Reiden Argrock
does this mean that warriors are the noob class? Does this mean that all warriors are lacking the brains to play the game? I understand that more often than not, warriors cause alot of the extra agro but I like to think it is the players fault and not the class. And their are alot of people out there playing and so I'm not even gonna say that the majority of warriors are dumb, but I know that what you guys are saying happens quite frequently, even I have had a few mistakes although I am pretty good about not being stupid, and if I am the cause of lots of aggro, I always appologize to grp and try to make it up to them, donating loot to the healer if they died trying to keep me alive, things like that...
Please don't speak in absolutes, thats all i'm asking.
Please don't speak in absolutes, thats all i'm asking.
toastgodsupreme
Another problem I have is not noob warriors, but people who ride a warrior's ass into battle. The whole ****ing team seems to think that if the warrior is a few feet in front of them, he'll maintain agro.
I tell my team to keep me at the edge of their agro bubbles. Plenty of distance for any non-melee to do what they need to do and safely. Rarely do people listen. Ride my ass, just pray your armor is as good as mine.
I tell my team to keep me at the edge of their agro bubbles. Plenty of distance for any non-melee to do what they need to do and safely. Rarely do people listen. Ride my ass, just pray your armor is as good as mine.
funbun
I wonder why do more people choose warrior than anything else? At the higher level you can't build a balanced team because warriors out number everyone 10:1 I think it's because the pupulation on warriors is higher that we see a higher number of n00b warriors.
So, it isn't absolute, but yes warrior is the n00b class. Just like Night Elf Hunter is the n00b class in WoW.
So, it isn't absolute, but yes warrior is the n00b class. Just like Night Elf Hunter is the n00b class in WoW.
Principa Discordia
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Originally Posted by Phoenix Avenger
Is this just happening to me? Or are only warriors screwing up missions? They go aggro everything, we tell them to retreat, they dont, we have to stay and keep attacking or he dies and curses us out. Then we lose cause we now have DPs. Are all the noobs choosing warriors now? Because it sure does seem like they are. Someone should develop a quick warrior IQ test that ppl can ask warriors before they let them in a group. I would pay lots of gold for that. Warriors have screwed up so many of the missions i've been on, its crazy, so i guess my question to everyone is, are warriors screwing up a lot of your missions as well?
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funbun
I saw a n00b Mesmer once. He kept beggin us to go attack this one boss for an elite skill during an infusion run. He RUNNOFT and tried to get the skill dispite waring not to from everyone. Once we fiinished the mission I said, "That's the first time I've seen a loser Mesmer." Everyone agreed.
I've noticed since retail release there have been a larger number of n00b in everyclass. Despite that I will say I have experienced a higher number of warrior n00bs over any other class. I think that is due to population.
It woould be interesting to see the percentages. Percentage wise, there are probably an equal percentage of n00b in every class.
I've noticed since retail release there have been a larger number of n00b in everyclass. Despite that I will say I have experienced a higher number of warrior n00bs over any other class. I think that is due to population.
It woould be interesting to see the percentages. Percentage wise, there are probably an equal percentage of n00b in every class.
Loki69
It is not that all noobs are choosing warrior. I have seen unskilled players in every class.
The problem is that it is easier to see an unskilled player as a warrior. Most other classes will draw enemies even if they are unskilled. Since Warriors are the main melee class you often see unskilled players thinking they can rush into a battle thus increasing the chances of multiple aggro.
Most of the other classes just happen to be a bit more forgiving of the unskilled.
The problem is that it is easier to see an unskilled player as a warrior. Most other classes will draw enemies even if they are unskilled. Since Warriors are the main melee class you often see unskilled players thinking they can rush into a battle thus increasing the chances of multiple aggro.
Most of the other classes just happen to be a bit more forgiving of the unskilled.
Reiden Argrock
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Originally Posted by funbun
I wonder why do more people choose warrior than anything else? At the higher level you can't build a balanced team because warriors out number everyone 10:1 I think it's because the pupulation on warriors is higher that we see a higher number of n00b warriors.
So, it isn't absolute, but yes warrior is the n00b class. Just like Night Elf Hunter is the n00b class in WoW. |
Any person can suck at any class, they just make warriors because they think that warriors will be the easiest to be good at.
Well hopefully they learn. My first char was a necro, and I stopped playin him because nobody wanted a necro, everybody wanted a warrior. So now look where we are.
TimTheEnchanter
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Originally Posted by funbun
I wonder why do more people choose warrior than anything else?
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QuixotesGhost
Warriors have a class trait that encourages them to hit group after group without stopping inbetween. Adrenaline. When they are first starting out, they put two and two together and go: "Aha! If I hit that next group as soon as possible then I'll still have my adrenaline!" Then later on after lying broken and bleeding on the ground enough times, they eventually figure it out.
It's a class feature of Warrior that encourages noob behavior. When other classes are learning they game they aren't encouraged to charge everything in sight as soon as possible, so thier learning curve isn't as rough on thier group.
It's a class feature of Warrior that encourages noob behavior. When other classes are learning they game they aren't encouraged to charge everything in sight as soon as possible, so thier learning curve isn't as rough on thier group.
Reiden Argrock
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Originally Posted by QuixotesGhost
Warriors have a class trait that encourages them to hit group after group without stopping inbetween. Adrenaline. When they are first starting out, they put two and two together and go: "Aha! If I hit that next group as soon as possible then I'll still have my adrenaline!" Then later on after lying broken and bleeding on the ground enough times, they eventually figure it out.
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Good point Quixotes
Ketch
Its just easier to notice newbie Warriors than others.
Casters stand back, and its hard to tell what they're doing.
Wars.. well their mistakes are obvious because they have to engage to do anything.
Casters stand back, and its hard to tell what they're doing.
Wars.. well their mistakes are obvious because they have to engage to do anything.
Imp
Most of the times that I stay and die is when I'm trying to have people run away so they can do rebirth/rezes without having aggro. When it just ends up that everyone dies but me, and I pull out "I will avenge you!" and kill everything.
Reiden Argrock
ok, this would be the case where your either fighting well below where you should, or the mobs were already significantly wasted before everyone else died.
Dreamsmith
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Its just easier to notice newbie Warriors than others.
Casters stand back, and its hard to tell what they're doing. Wars.. well their mistakes are obvious because they have to engage to do anything. |
Phat Bastige
I play a war/nec, and having played wow,daoc, eq n anarchy,quite successfully. i feel i can say :P to the noobs statement.
one of the few ppl i group with on a regular basis is a war/monk who's only other online game played has been diablo, he plays with an insight i usually expect with a seasoned mmorg player, if he does something wrong i am usually half way thru saying dude we could have done that better when he admits his mistake.
As opposed to a double caster or ranger monk who think they are even better tanks than tanks are and end up the first dead and screamin at whatever poor monk we are lucky enuff to have about heals...
but imo the worst n00bs are the ones who bail at first or second death. lol you wouldnt get far in daoc or eq if thats the way you acted.
differnce between newbies and experienced players is time, and a lil coaching from group/guildmates who care enuff to help. it brings out the real enjoyment of the game seeing someone you have helped turn around and show you a tactic or trick that you havent thought of..
a war nec with curses spec can run mad aoe damage(MOP,suffering), which works great with casters and leaves other tanks open to deal with rogue/named mobs bashing on the support. tho 6/10 times the war/nec ends up taking one for the team. usually if more than 2 groups of enemy are on.
one of the few ppl i group with on a regular basis is a war/monk who's only other online game played has been diablo, he plays with an insight i usually expect with a seasoned mmorg player, if he does something wrong i am usually half way thru saying dude we could have done that better when he admits his mistake.
As opposed to a double caster or ranger monk who think they are even better tanks than tanks are and end up the first dead and screamin at whatever poor monk we are lucky enuff to have about heals...
but imo the worst n00bs are the ones who bail at first or second death. lol you wouldnt get far in daoc or eq if thats the way you acted.
differnce between newbies and experienced players is time, and a lil coaching from group/guildmates who care enuff to help. it brings out the real enjoyment of the game seeing someone you have helped turn around and show you a tactic or trick that you havent thought of..
a war nec with curses spec can run mad aoe damage(MOP,suffering), which works great with casters and leaves other tanks open to deal with rogue/named mobs bashing on the support. tho 6/10 times the war/nec ends up taking one for the team. usually if more than 2 groups of enemy are on.
Shadowdaemon
I think there are bad players in every class, and from my experience with my monk in the fissure I would say it is the casters who are too dumb to run away when their surrounded by melee enemies that are the worst problem. they think they can just stand there and be healed all day even though they take alot more damage than tanks, then the healers run out of energy from healing them, and before long the whole party is dead. Of course this is the monks fault somehow according to them(first time they blame me for their stupidity they no longer recieve healing, just laughter)
p.s. anyone calling people n00bs, or calling themselves l33t, should have their accounts locked
p.s. anyone calling people n00bs, or calling themselves l33t, should have their accounts locked
Makkert
there are idiots everywhere.
as a monk, i had team wich had a necro and a mesmer in it. they died, we (2 monks on team) ressed them, and what happend?
"lets see who can die first?"
- "yeah!"
and then they spurted of in a group of jade armors. needless to say, it was close to a draw. PUG wasted.
i do however agree that wa/mo has gotten my sensors up and running lately. there are good ones, but a lot of terrible wa/mo's. i prefer a wa/ne or any other secondary with warriors lately.
as a monk, i had team wich had a necro and a mesmer in it. they died, we (2 monks on team) ressed them, and what happend?
"lets see who can die first?"
- "yeah!"
and then they spurted of in a group of jade armors. needless to say, it was close to a draw. PUG wasted.
i do however agree that wa/mo has gotten my sensors up and running lately. there are good ones, but a lot of terrible wa/mo's. i prefer a wa/ne or any other secondary with warriors lately.
MaglorD
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Well hopefully they learn. My first char was a necro, and I stopped playin him because nobody wanted a necro, everybody wanted a warrior. So now look where we are. |
My first character was a warrior, after completing the game and capturing all warrior elites using the old signet of capture, I stopped playing him to play other classes. Now playing the necro and just got to Thirsty River solo at lvl 18, due to having skipped The Wilds and Bloodstone Fen missions while doing quests from Druid's Overlook. Probably nobody will party me due to my low level...
Luggage
18 isn't low a thirsty river. I'll try and find you with my 17 monk after i run elonas
Racthoh
First and only character so far is a warrior. I'll admit I would aggro everything, but I would always play alone because of past experiences with MMORPGs so I was the only one who suffered. It could be because with almost EVERY other game I've played a warrior can do that kind of thing. As such most other people who come into this game will carry this ideal in their head "Yeah, I'm a warrior, nothing can kill me.". Hell at the start of the game my warrior could aggro large groups and he would be alright. It seems kinda dumb in this game that a warrior has to rely on his/her mental prowess and cunning strategy rather than brute force...
How honourable is it for a warrior to lure an enemy away from the pack rather than charging in with blade swinging wildly? Or to sit back and wait for the mage to weaken it enough for the fighter to make the kill?
Think I'll call my next warrior "Fodder".
How honourable is it for a warrior to lure an enemy away from the pack rather than charging in with blade swinging wildly? Or to sit back and wait for the mage to weaken it enough for the fighter to make the kill?
Think I'll call my next warrior "Fodder".
Infecta
Dont forget that everyone was a noob at some point. Some people will never catch a clue, some will. Thats life, suck it up
Myodato
I certainly think it's fair to say that the warrior class has it's fair share of noobs, but it's by no means an absolute. I would also say that noob warrior behaviour is very noticable, so it's much easier to spot a noob warrior than it is a noob from another class.
Noobs have there place though, because it means that you appreciate a good warrior when you get one, rather than just taking them for granted.
Noobs have there place though, because it means that you appreciate a good warrior when you get one, rather than just taking them for granted.
audioaxes
actually i think rangers are by far the most noob infested class. Only thing is, especially in PVE, they can fly under the radar and you'll be too preoccupied to see if a ranger is actually helping out or is one of those stupid orlando bloom wannabes just sitting there shooting arrows at pathetic dps with no coherent skill set.
Rabid Weasel
Well i'm quite annoyed at the "All Warriors are n00bs" statement. You've just obviously had really bad luck with PuG's. I'm a warrior/monk myself, and about 90% of the time i end up calling and luring (my monk side has a nice staff). And not to big myself up, but i do it very well. On a Fissure run the other night we where there for 5 hours, and i only died once or twice. I finished the last mission without dying, just cast mending and sit there hitting things and calling targets while the rest of the casters do there thing. On the odd occasion i'll cast healing breeze on myself or a party member to help the monks out.
You just need to make sure you state before the start of the quest/mission "Do you warriors know what the mission entails" you can normally spot the idiots there and then.
As other people have stated, I seen some terrible Ele's out there, far worse than any Warrior i've seen. Monks who think they still have smitting skills equiped and join me and other warriors up front. Necro's who think their minions will save them from enemy rangers.... Rangers who think they are a full warrior and don't use bows.... The only class i haven't see a "n00b" player as your put it, is a Mesmer. I play on the european servers and there is a distinct lack of mesmer who IMHO, are one of the most powerful charecters in the game...
So you really can't go around saying that one class has more "n00bs" than another as it's clearly incorrect.
You just need to make sure you state before the start of the quest/mission "Do you warriors know what the mission entails" you can normally spot the idiots there and then.
As other people have stated, I seen some terrible Ele's out there, far worse than any Warrior i've seen. Monks who think they still have smitting skills equiped and join me and other warriors up front. Necro's who think their minions will save them from enemy rangers.... Rangers who think they are a full warrior and don't use bows.... The only class i haven't see a "n00b" player as your put it, is a Mesmer. I play on the european servers and there is a distinct lack of mesmer who IMHO, are one of the most powerful charecters in the game...
So you really can't go around saying that one class has more "n00bs" than another as it's clearly incorrect.
Mistress Dasha
lol There are alot of less skilled players doing the warrior thing but they do take the less knowledge of game mechanics to play some what effectivly... And Warrior's are the staple learning class for most MMORPG's... But once more people learn Energy management then we will see more of the other classes..
If anyone needs a good warrior let me know
Grandma Dasha
If anyone needs a good warrior let me know
Grandma Dasha
Kaiwyn
There are some great Warriors out there...mature and knowledgeable about the game..but it is also the case that virtually every pre-pubescent, single-digit-IQ moron out there chooses to be a Warrior so they can race around hacking and slashing at things regardless of the fact that their team is dying or unable to heal between aggros. They need to either grow up, play solo or learn that this is not the game for them.
Rabid Weasel
True, i guess a lot of new players would take a warrior class, however it does take some skill to become a decent warrior, otherwise you'll end up dead, as a lot of said, will cause the rest of the group to get annoyed or not bother healing!
But just to get it clear i also play a monk/mesmer and a mesmer/ele, guess this teaches me the art of being a good warrior.
However you still can't tar every warrior with the same brush of being a n00b, not until you've seen them play!
But just to get it clear i also play a monk/mesmer and a mesmer/ele, guess this teaches me the art of being a good warrior.
However you still can't tar every warrior with the same brush of being a n00b, not until you've seen them play!
smitty-gw
My first character was a W/Mo. I am not a noob. I am the guy usually last left standing casting rebirth on all the other "skilled" player corpses in my party.
trackxyj
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My first character was a W/Mo. I am not a noob. I am the guy usually last left standing casting rebirth on all the other "skilled" player corpses in my party.
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Luggage
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Originally Posted by smitty-gw
My first character was a W/Mo. I am not a noob. I am the guy usually last left standing casting rebirth on all the other "skilled" player corpses in my party.
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The "I'm the last one standing" card doesn't really hold any water in a team based game...
Try "I'm the one laying down my life tanking so the team can survive" some time...
Bingley Joe
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Originally Posted by Luggage
The "I'm the last one standing" card doesn't really hold any water in a team based game...
Try "I'm the one laying down my life tanking so the team can survive" some time... |
Shadowdaemon
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The group has a problem if the first one died is not a tank.
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