Omg Omg Omg Omg Omg Omg W00t

let's see how it's implemented first.

I expect "Noooo, where's UAS - anet sucks" type of posts next week.

As a sidenote - doesn't this make strong guilds even stronger? I mean, if you barely manage to win a match, you will not unlock many things. But if there's guild that just wins match after match - they will get *even more* things to make them unbeatable

I do hope that the PvE update is a multi level dungeon, which to some extent randomizes, with new loot / or better loot drops. with it getting harder the further you go. I hope it isn't another Fussure / Underworld type of area, where it is basically extreme difficulty and you have to have a group of experiance players or die.
A Large randomized dungeon, that gets harder the deeper you go, and has better Loot drops the further you get. Better still, have it randomize with a quest giver outside, and have the quest giver give randomised quests to go with randomised dungeons.
May be getting carried away, but been playing AO agiain and the mission terminals are genius, something like that in GW would be awesome. They uses the system exclusively with instance gaming, so it should / maybe possible to implement. The missions would give a random reward which you are told at when you take the mission, the reward could be a unidentified rune, a weapon, upgrades, gold, xp etc etc that you get for completing the mission. AO also use a mission token system, where if you kill all before completing mission you gain a token, collect tokens for bonus's. You could be told to go to x cave for x mission and have the start locations of these randomised dungeons spreadout through the world. Oh well would be nice.
Will settle for a really good dungeon crawl, just don't make it death on a stick pls. Hard does not always equal fun.

"Rewards skill over time spent..."

Worth noting here that the matchmaking system for the guild-vs-guild ladder is designed so that a guild is only matched against other guilds within a certain ranking range. Given a little time, the majority of guilds will reach a ranking that accurately reflects their skill levels. When that happens that guild should then be winning approximately 50% of the matches they play.

I hope that everyone here will appreciate the new system. And maybe even forgive the team for taking the time both to let you all know the basics of the plan, and in developing and implementing that plan.

edit: Damn A.net employee's. Beat me to the post.

whoa... a randomizing dungeon instance???? That would be bloody cool!!!

I want to be able to take my ranger...go up to a big chunky warrior, shining in his armour and challenge him to a duel in a gladiators arena.

As for the update, it sounds fun. I may yet end up taking my first steps nto PvP.

*has an idea* ...yes, random monsters and random starting points on missions (with different goals) should be one of the best ideas for Hell's Precipice Completists!

Anyway, you guys over at Arena.Net and NCSoft have made a brilliant game, and I'd like to pass on thanks!

I'll get back with you in a week and tell you if I A.Net just got my hopes up. I'm far too pessimistic to believe that this solution doesn't have it's flaws. I wonder if we get to choose what we unlock. And also, is it going to be something impossible to get like Sigils (you try getting a Sigil with incompetant PUG's). Will it lead to a downward spiral with the good guilds always winning and the bad guilds continuing to be horrible?

Well, this will make a nice change from grinding my little heart out to get my superiors unlocked (I hope)

If this is implemented well, then it should be a workable solution to a number of problems.

I hope they find a similar elegant solution to the out of control inflation of the game economy.

Makes me feel as if those gargantuan threads accomplished something tangible and good ^^

Good but it depends on how this is implamented. It will make playing PvP better than just doing the great northern wall with guildes. O those char make you feel powerful when you slaughter their whole army...

Mostly because they are just as greedy and selfish as the multi-million dollar corporations they are striking.

*looks at topic title, and shakes his head for a moment*
then, in a sick moment, Makk. starts singing:

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"There is a new l33t in town..."
"I don't wanna know!"
~

You call this a update? NOTHING was done. This is how things will be from now on. They will promise us something. Then give us bs how its coming next week. Then when next week comes they will be like NEXT WEEK WE PROMISE.


Wow so we get runes in pvp. woopy. You still gotta win and that's impossible unless you have a elite team.

I really hope they add more pve content.

Winning in PvP, with the exception of actually winning HoH, is pretty easy. With PUGS I win between 1/3 and 2/5 of my matches. As for HoH I have won it 5 times so far 3 with guildes and 2 with friends.

you sir, lack probably not only skills to unlock, but also reading skills.
1) the announced it for next week. so expect it out for next week. this isn't just some fix, this is a new system. give ANet some time they are on the job. They had previously announced pvp would get its turn the 'next couple of weeks'. 2 weeks falls in that category imho.

2) you will be able to unlock skills, not just runes.
3) impossible without elite team:
now the next time you whine, moan, and go crying to your mommy, i suggest you read first before attempting to make a valid point.

cheers,

Makk.

Maybe this statement will ease your qualms.

You do realize what your saying is near-identical to that of the warcraft 3/frozen throne ladder system, if so, you better do it before the 1.14+ style, because currently, a level 1's first game has 50% chance to fight a level 30.

I knew someone was going to post something childish like this

A-net has put out an update just about every week since release, some big and some small but they've been remaing consistent, just about every wed we could expect something new from a-net, by doing that they had gone far and above what any other free internet game based company had done so far for their customers and the first time that they have to push an update back one week due to the fact that they want to make it work right you are going to yell at them for it. From what i can see a-net shows more consideration for their community than anyother gaming company i've been a part of, they didn't have to even give us that update letter but since they knew the community was going to be looking for an update yesterday they did. I mean seriously they've given us free monthly subscription to one of the best online role playing games out there today, all these added updates i considered to be just a huge bonus.

Keep up the good work A-Net

Hey i'm all for it but i have seen other companies in the first few months release A TON of content and then after that nothing.

This game has the potential to be the all time greatest. Probably in the ranks of diablo and better. BUT they need to be consistent with updates. I dont care if they release a update that fixes a spelling error. THEY NEED TO RELEASE SOMETHING so people feel that they are committed and not just all talk

Anyone remember battlefield vietnam? ONE UPDATE and thats all we got. EA promised so much stuff and we got owned. BF2 is probably gonna be same way.

The guys from Arenanet should have posted some kind of warning: next week's update WON'T PREVENT CRAPPY TEAMS FROM BEING OWNED IN THE TOMBS.

It's hilarious to see so many posters whining about other guilds winning and theirs always losing. Some people are skilled, some are not. Some people are smart, some are not. It's life. If your guild or Pug doesnt have a high degree of organization and teamplaying, getting to the HoH will be...oh, so hard.

Next time one will probably post something like: "hey, even after the last update Paris Hilton doesnt want to be my girlfriend!11! how come Anet didnt fix this? OMG this game sucks, I'm getting back to World of No Friends!!11!"

OMG, these last few lots of posts (those not defending anet) are simply rediculous.

take another look at the game update page. this IS the FIRST time anet has announced an update, but not actually released an update. the reason is pretty smack-you-in-the-face obvious. all the previous stuff has been fixes, or small changed to the way current game-play systems work. they require little testing, and little coding.

this is a COMPLETELY new mechanic integrated into the existing game-play.
if your going to bag the crap out of Anet, at least tell me you program something(if you said games, I might actually listen). I program games within a small team of garage-programmers.

this wont be a couple of hundred lines of short code here, this is major. if they had released it now. no doubt there are still bugs that have not surfaced. and all you people would then be complaining about the fact that anet has released something really buggy, and how this is the trend of companies, blah blah blah.

now back to reality and common sense :P

This PvP thing may actually get me to play PVP *SHOCK* you never know!

as for this elusive comment regarding post-ascension activities, the mind boggles!
I can not see it been the uber idea of a random dungeon type system simply due to the size such an update would be (new textures, new level-models, new coding etc) and the time it would take to fully test it would mean that unless they planned this from day one, and have been working on it. it wont be done)

what I would like to see is a suggestion I saw a while back that is "simple" to implement and small to download. MEGA QUESTS. you know, like search all of tyria for x item or people or something. be extremely hard (thanks to instanced areas, you can easily insert or totally replace mobs for quests if you so wish). this would be awesome.

perhaps this is where gwen will make an appearance in post-seering ascalon!?

maybe ellen rigby will play a role (yes I read it too. a bit of a co-incedence dont you think?)

Interseting idea..similar to one that I had suggested...but ANET's concept sounds far better.
IMO, this allows for both PVP and PVE players a win/win situation.
Agreed that it needs to be seen first, but hopefully there wont be alot of people complaining about it.

i never asked for you to lose

Where'd this come from?

And what does point #3 mean, exactly? You can only get these rewards with an RP character that has ascended? You can only get these rewards if you have an RP character that has ascended?

Anybody can participate in GvG, PoTK, or any of the arenas prior to ascension with a PvP character. How is post-Ascension being ensured?

I do not PVP and have a question. Once this new system is in place, would it be possible to exploit this new system by losing on purpose, then winning the next time. Would there be a way for two guilds, PUG's to keep playing each other and then win/lose on purpose to build each other up?

does this mean those crazy PvPers will stop begging for UAS/UAR?

Hopefully after they please the pvp crowd they can finally get back to business and start making more content for pve.

Mindless death match or Intergrate Story with great groups and tons of items and great storyline. I wonder what will be more popular

I see this as a good thing overall, but I do believe the weapon/skill/rune unlock/drop rate should be linked to the quality of the opponent. If the team is ranked x number of spots higher than the opponent the rate/quality of drops should be lower and vice versa. This would help even the playing field

I'm not sure it's going to be a drop type deal....it would make more sense(atleast to me) if it were more along the lines of using your fame points to purchase items.

I sincerely doubt fame will have anything to do with it.

Maybe they should do for each win you can unlock 1 weapon, skill, rune etc. from a specific list. So say you win HoH you can unlock any skill, weapon, rune or whatever. The list that you get to chose from is random eg. The Skill LIst, The Weapon Mod list, The Rune list. The quality of your win should effect what skills, runes, or mods are on your list so winning once against a team of newbies won't unlock that sup vigior but winning in HoH will give the possibility to. If you have every item from the list that you get unlocked then add a point to a "Buy new upgrade thing" and after 5 points you can take 1 rune, skill, or upgrade from the nest list up.

http://www.guild-hall.net/forum/show...0&postcount=79

I'm assuming it means, simply, the Arenas you have access to in post-ascension areas. It could also be that he didn't phrase it correctly and meant the Level 20/Non-Level Cap Arenas accessable by PvP characters.

This is the end of GW as we know next thing will be pvpers geting UAE. Maybe that will keep that quiet for a few seconds and we might not get the 5489064862349058609468th thread on how unfair anet is to them. But i doubt it somehow. If there is one thing that pvpers like to do more than anything else its complain about how unfair a RPG game is to them. This is an ROLE PLAYING GAME NOT AN FPS.

They could, but then they'd have happen to face each other in Team Arenas. Even though groups are organized there, Teams are still paired at random.

So, I think it'd be more profitable to make a winning team that trying to cheese the system.

Doubt it. If anything, the fact that they added alternate methods of unlocking is a clear sign that they aren't going to add an Unlock All (Whatever) button.

And...people love to complain about PvPers complaining. It's a vicious, self-sustaining cycle.

Nobody said it was a FPS. Heck, not as many people are lobbying for an UAS as you guys think. All most people want and would be satisfied with is a reduction in the amount of time it takes to get a good selection of skills, runes, and components.

Sure, Guild Wars never intended to have the pick up and playability of a FPS, but neither should it have the redundant gameplay and pointless timesinks of a MMORPG to access an acceptable variety of content.

Internopsp, PvP isn't mindless when you have a clue of what you're supposed to do. Don't patronize PvPers based upon your Yak's Bend and Ascalon Arena experiences.

Great storyline ? Wow the story resumes to: run from char, meet white mantle, white mantle are bad, kill a ton of them, run off to desert, do ascencion trials that are just there as filler content, slug some musraat, do infuse runs 5 times (prior to the patch) go to Perdition Rock and finish the game. That's a great srotyline ?

I think you're all forgetting that GW was designed for PvP play and that this update shouldn't even be an update. Why do you think everything is balanced around lvl 20 ? So you can cream monsters better ? This PvP reward system should have been implemented at release. So basically we had to grind 300 + hours to get the skills we need, debate with PvE fanboys on the forums and harass the dev team PuG in the HoH when we see them just to get this ''update'' ? All I gotta say is ''don't excuse yourself, be careful''. Seriously thanks ANet for fixing a problem that was long ago adressed.

Agreed. GW has one of the worst story lines in an RPG I've ever encountered. It's horribly disjointed, with almost no continuity between areas.

Will that mean anything unlocked with your PVP char with the new system will be available for your PVE char like in reverse.

May encourage me to play a little PVP a bit more

Random PVP with mobs would be ALOT more fun than pvp the way it is now.