Rebalance for the PVE side of Guild Wars

And who's trolling now, Mr. Self-Righteous?

RUN SPOT RUN!!!

Funny? Ha ha? Seems to me you're trying to 'troll' 'put-down' others with your humour. I'd sure love to see you show some of that humour IRL. Great thing the internet is though, children can hide behind a PC and be 'funny'. ( I'm classifying you in the 'children ranks' because I, myself, do not know many adults who use such sarcasm in ways you do (on the internet), unless they're trying to be 'the cool kid' on the internet )



( No, this is not one of those posts where ' If I met you IRL, I'd beat you up '. Just briefing what my father told me, when I got 'funny' towards him. )

*Walks away. Definately not worth the waste of forum space, plus this will be locked soon enough, due to all the trolling.*

good idea

*goes to find a better waste of time*

Technically you would be right about the 1.5k armor. I'll give you that.

GW is just a plain ol' RPG you would normally play by yourself in a SP mode except you have the ability to co-op over the net (speaking of PvE only since that's the only mode that interests me). Instead of your buddy sitting on the couch next to you watching you play FFVII you can both play at the same time. Essentially the core premise of PvE is the same thing. Once you reach the end of a SP RPG and watch the last cutscene you usually stop playing because you've done everything! At least I do anyway.

and when i have seen and done everything i want to at my own pace it will go on the shelf until the next chapter comes out

rince and repeat

I'm sorry, I didn't realize the majority of people playing the game were PvP only. In my case, I plan on using my PvE characters to PvP. In this case, it certainly does achieve what ANet had planned it to. And since most runes cost 120g these days, why not buy them everytime you make a PvP only character if you haven't yet unlocked the ones you require? Seems like ANet kinda knows what they're doing, from my point of view.

To answer your question, I give what I get, my friend. And just an FYI, taking a shot at someone while trying to apologize to them doesn't really work. Just so you know.

neither have i.

it was always the unattainable goal in d2 to max out your character and get all the items you needed for a specific character build.

problems arose because:

1) it took so fricking long to get to lvl 99
2) the chance of getting all the items you wanted is so small that if more people knew the odds, they probably wouldnt bother trying to get them.
3) by the time you got all the items/levels you needed someone else would come up with a different character build that would completely destroy your level 99 character at lvl 45 and you would have to start again.

pad. when you get to the end of online rpgs. that really is the end.

what alot of online rpgs do is extend or draw out their lifespan by making this process of coming up with a decent character build and levelling up and getting the armour/weapons you want - essentially making your character 'complete' - they take that process and stretch it out so it takes like, forever to achieve. this way you will always be playing that game. d2 addiction should be in a medical dictionary as a serious ailment that you can suffer from.

i think for pve to really be an enjoyable experience it needs to get out of this gaming model. i dont think thats something that can be fixed with patches. it would require a whole rethink as to why people play online rpgs (do you spend as much time having fun playing GW as you do preparing to have fun?)

in GW pve, most of the time i spend in game is preparing my character or completing it in some way. completing an armour set. or a weapon. or a skill combo. or something. im not sure if i find the actual process of aquiring these things fun at all. often the process is quite tedious and demeaning (the grind to unlock runes for your pvp character for example).

I haven't read the entire topic here, but eh.

For anyone who's defending the "We're removing farming" thing, it makes no sense. Sure, it would if you actually made enough money to buy ANYTHING remotely good. I'm willing to bet that if someone just ran through the game doing all the missions and some quests, they'd have less than 10k by the time they finished. Is 10k enough to buy ANYTHING good? No.

Maybe if they rewarded missions and quests with stuff. Finish Thunderhead Keep, unlock a superior vigor. This will obviously kill the market, but it would solve the problem of vigor/absorb inflation once and for all.

I'm sure you're referring to this kind of humor, no?

Seriously, if you think what I am doing here is somehow hurtful, why do you return the same kind of remarks and then tell me how much of an A-hole I am afterwards?

Sure, it would achieve what they planned to do, IF you plan to use a PvE character. I'm sorry also, I didn't realize the majority of people in PvP were RPG characters, my bad.

What if you plan to try a new character for PvP reasons, are you going to start a new PvE character just to PvP? Who's actually going to spend 1 platinum++ on 1 superior rune, or 75 platinum++ on 1 superior Vigor rune just to use on a custom PvP character? What if you don't like the character?

You give what you get? Oh, I must be blind then. These comments by you were provoked?

The rest I can actually say, you were provoked into being a smart ass. As for the above, I can't see the need for your 'humour' .


As for taking a shot and apologizing. I was playing your hand, being the sarcastic smartass.

Back on the topic...

Yeah, I definately think there should be a set price for money you get by selling to rune traders. Just yesterday I was lucky to find 2 superior runes, and several minors...all of them sold for no more than 35g. Oh joy. I'd rather have more crafting materials.

The 1st part. I was just playing the hand you dealt me.

The 2nd part, as I said. Was a mistake, I mis-read and got names confused.

My point is, at the start of this thread. Your 'humour' was unprovoked. Understand, or shall I make it more simple for you? ( Again, playing the hand you dealt me )

I'll seriously back off this thread now, just had to prove my point with a bit of humour.

Sandman steps up grabs Rasp and Cap n hook by the scruff of the neck and swiftly

"BANGS THEIR HEADS TOGETHER"

To make the game more apealling to the over lvl20+ PVE is make future missions harder and the quests harder with a larger Gold payout. More quests around the Ring of Fire. That would shut me up for a few days.

The last three quests were all soloed in les than 10 mins a time. Or was that to fast and I should have walked slowly and admired the view and maybe took a few beers with me and strecthed it out to 20mins a quest.

Give us more and shut us up. And make selling Superiors to the trader worth it

Well I'm glad to see that you think it's ok if someone else does it first. Please look through my posting history and you will find the answers you seek. Perhaps then your mature viewpoint can understand my childish antics. You see, my memory happens to be longer than a single thread.

Enjoy!

Why would you need a superior vigor rune if you were just trying out a new build? Can't you get a feel for it without the extra few HP that a minor or major wouldn't provide?

And you'll note my response. Childish? Look again.

Funny!

Me too ... on the wednesday they came out ... we happened to be at the ToA and finished that in like 3 or 4 minutes with a full group...

"Bring at least a case of beer ... it seems to be the only road of us well-travelled explorers nowadays ... getting drunk in a ditch bragging of our tales when we were doing anything but drinking!

THANK YOU SIR MAY I HAVE ANOTHER?

Cap'n Hoek - not Hook. Check out Ren & Stimpy
You'll thank me later. Maybe even in the year FOUR HUNDRED BILLION!!!

lol

That quest was a joke. They may as well of put it just outside the exit to the ToA. I popped out and was back before the team left for UW I dont even think they noticed I had gone.

this has nothing to do with the RPG OR FPS....but...Joint ops escalation was a FPS game I was playing.... NOVALOGIC STILL hasnt patched the game...its been out for 8 months.....I am just thrilled that the devs..TAKE THE TIME...and TALK TO THE CUSTOMERS....and EXPLAIN what they are doing here at GW. AND YES...patch once a week or every two. Be happy....this is a good game...

oh ya...In FPS...im moving to bf2....novalogic has lost yet another customer.

IMHO the rune trader could have been a good idea but it turned out to be daft. It made many PvE'ers angry and didn't do anything for PvP'ers.

PvPers would like to buy un-id'd armor or runes for the unlocking. So the rune trader does nothing for them. The rune trader upsets PvE players.

Some people like the trader because runes are cheaper and they can get them quickly. As a PvPer I'd say allowing the trader to sell un-id'd armor and runes is ok, but I don't mind if they go completely because we will soon be able to unlock runes in PvP and I see no reason for the PvE people to be made unhappy for no reason.

However, compare the rune trader and players who sell weapons and mods to the sigil trader. The sigil trader sells the sigils always under 100k, while players sell weapons and mods for over 100k. Also PvEers can buy everything they need from the traders now, while PvPers still cannot buy un-id'd armor/runes unless it's from a player.

/boggle
You assumed anything you had to say was constructive?
Surely you jest.

Your anger at your desire to farm and make a huge profits being nerfed does not in any way = PvE is unbalanced.

The problem is not game balance, but rather, YOU.
Get thee back to Lineage 2!

Talesin

Honestly IMO i think that they need to bring back the farming for pve since theyre going to make it so pvp can get runes pretty easy, i myself dont pvp much just to mess around when im bored or something, i throughly enjoyed farming made for replay and helped me gear up other toons with some decent gear, as of now i dont even bother really playing, HONESTLY anet please please if your going to compensate the pvpers with runes then please bring back farming us pve'rs are bored out of our minds, and its just a matter of time as to when youre going to lose most of your pve fan base, i really dont think much will stay around for the expansion, nonetheless buy it if farming has been denied, honestly it wont be worth X amount of dollars to play a few more missions with horrid cinemas and explore for all of about 2 days or less. Maybe change the farm deal, make it so that mobs spawn in different locs so you have to look for that spawn you need to farm so this way we take care of the botters. honestly imo i didnt think farming brought up prices on stuff it was the retards selling stuff, if i has a gold or purp item i had farmed i didnt sell it for 100k i either sold it to a merchant or i sold it to someone for ultra cheap, now i know this is just me and theirs a thousand people in this game that price gauge and bot etc, etc but why make the majority of people who actually enjoyed the farming (its not grinding unless you DONT want to do it, and are forced to do it to advance so dont say grinding) suffer. Anet if you really read these post and take them into consideration please for the love or Melandru bring back farming i know ive posted this a million times + and the reason im doing so is in hopes iof anet will listen if you disagree with me its all good i know half of you guys are pvpers with the mere interest in slashing casting and shooting the next guy to death, but some of us want to have this challenge of "how many mobs can i take without croaking" i know i was on of them and id always try to beat my record of 7 and try to do 8-10 it wasnt really about the cash after i got my chars geared up it was more for fun and unlocking stuff (beating a dead horse imo this line been used so many times, but its so true that 90% of farmers were doing it for fun, only ones that did it for profit, etc "botter" GAMEGUARD ANET GAMEGUARD!

There ya go
I was looking for some constructive replies and not replies about being told "Leave then if ya dont like it" Answers and you come along and do the exactly that and say "Get back to lineage 2" lol

What I was saying was my opinion. and read my posts dont skip through them. I dont want to farm to make Huge profits I just want to be able to afford the good stuff for myself without having to put in 2,000 hours to do it now its nerf changed

p.s
Stop trying to talk like Yoda "Your anger at your desire to farm and make a huge profits being nerfed does not in any way = PvE is unbalanced." just cause you look like him.

Did you read my entire post?

I, in no way said I wanted Anet to go against there initial plans. In fact I think they are doing a great job listening to the fanbase and creating a one of a kind game. But this is an RPG, and aren't players supposed to be rewarded for such devotion to a game. It just seems like PvE players, right now, are being thrown out the window. And yes I have read the updates page, quite a bit, do you think i would be discussing this topic if I hadn't? The majority of the changes that they have made to PvE have been fixes, not updates. Yes they did add the Rune, Rare Crafting Material, and scroll traders, and with these additions ruined the economy.

Now then, notice rasp, I have the words "right now" up there. I know Anet is cooking up something good for us PvE players, and I can't wait. But shouldn't they be fixing issues that already exist. But I can't wait to see what they have for us.

Like i said, if you would have read my entire post you would have seen this. "I love GW, and love Anet." Anet has created a great game.

BTW, the majority of this post has gone to shit. Rasp and Capn need to stop taking jabs at each other, and other posters. Express opinions in a civil matter, that way you don't have to worry about your ego being damaged and having to write something witty back at them. And hey you never know, you might have more time to actually play the game rather than bitching at each other.

This item has no game benefit. It's merely set dressing and entirely optional. If you want it, go for it, but there's no drawback to anyone who doesn't get it.

Another note on the math: Your income wasn't steady over all 128 hours (assuming that's the entire amount you've played). Income for levels 1-10 is obviously going to be far lower than the income you get for levels 20+ (which is a lot of the game, really).

So the rate that you quote isn't fair. To be entirely fair, you should have checked the difference each hour. That's a lot of work, though.

The point, though, is that the 436 hours you quote is only valid if you are "average level" for the whole time, not maximum level like you are for most of that time.

Balance PVE? What do you mean by that? Stop the economy from crashing/influxing-like-mad? Making PVE tolerable in a way that people will want to play Ruins of Surmia four times not for the sake of building a character, but for the sake of the mission? Fix the bugs? Go Anet style and stomp out all farming spots? Prevent bots? What are you asking for?

if you dont mind i will take that question for myself

i would (myself ) like people to give Anet at least 6-9 months to make whatever changes they find necessary to make the game more enjoyable to both sides.

with regular small updates that could add up to quite a change by then.

this coming week should bring a small amount of relief to the pvp side and i hope they will not yell this is not enough since Anet has already stated this will be a SERIES of small steps

what i want is simply to give them time to make a very enjoyable game better

if anybody feels this is flamebait i have my asbestos pants on

Loviatar, I always like your positive view! Due to the level cap and the equalizing system (no uber armor/weapons, skills etc) this game has a VERY short recycling cycle. After 3, 4 months at most, players will need new challenges. If Anet does not release expansions every 6 months than players will leave, bored. An alternative would be to change gameplay dramaticly but I dont think that will happen. Look at the Gaile Gray interview. What he is saying about spending gold: Add more fun items, like towncloths, new colors for pets... But what players want right now are items that make their chr. stronger! No way this will be done because of balancing issues. Than what?? If nothing happens after 6-9 months only a small group of hardcore players will be there to welcome a new expansion. Isn't that weird? I bet that if Blizzard would anounce a new Diablo II expansion tomorrow, it would be a great succes, no matter how outdated the game looks, no matter the exploids and bugs. So what makes the difference?

thank you

i plan on playing the game the way an Anet person mentioned before release.

consider it a single player rpg you can play online with friends or by yourself with henchmen

when i have seen everything i feel like and done what i want i will put it aside and check every so often for some new item that catches my interest and play some more

i have already gotten my moneys worth of fun and am only to the Gates of Kryta

i dont pay every month so i feel no pressure to keep playing because the money is going down the drain if i dont force myself to play

i will be buying the next chapter simply because i have had so much enjoyment from this one simply to show my support for their effort

i predict that the game will be so different a year from now that someone coming back would go
*is that the same game?*

i may or may not like all the changes but i feel the scenery along the way will be interesting

Its just a game.

I recommend psychotherapy.

same thing here! So far I've played teh game 185 hours and currently that means I've beat every single other game I've ever bought (prolly even 4 of 'em combined) by at least 80 hours!!

the game is only $50 and seriously I think the PvE side alone is worth it! (I hope that was what you were talking about I get kinda confused when I play
GW for about 13 hours straight )

Let's see... People are complaining because they cannot be gods, and ANet is not helping them. It's not hard to see that there are plenty of immature posts in this thread, along with some exxaggerated ones. To start it off, let's view WHEN you should focus on all these things.

1. You've already beaten the game, know the storyline quite well, and are just focused on improving your character.

2. You have atleast a decent knowledge on prices of items.

3. You learned how to use your time wisely.

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First of all, it's not hard to find a good item. If you're unaware of desert collector items, and you're complaining about finding good items, then you're a complete idiot so stop trying to act mature on the forum. A mature person would bother looking up opportunities and information before complaining, if you didn't, that's not ANet's fault, therefore, they cannot fix it.

Second, the rune trader didn't give PVP characters an advantage anymore than PVE characters. Insted of needing 40k to buy a superior XXX or spending a few hours even finding a guy selling it, we now have a universal rune trader that can connect sellers from all districts together at low prices, if you can explain a good reason how this only benefited PVP players, i'd really like to hear it.

Third, please don't exxaggerate on how little you make. If you honestly make that little, then you probably didn't fit in the three categories i mentioned earlier. Therefore, you're knowledge on this topic is very limited so you cannot make a clear statement.

Fourth, there is no such thing for balance towards sides because every person has a different aspect towards which part they enjoy more. A roleplayer that never PVP's cannot yell at a PVP person for having it better than him since it's in his own choice that he doesn't PVP, if he did, he could have the same "Benefits" as the other guy.

Finally, stop badmouthing the rune trader. If you really think the rune trader is horrible, you shouldn't be buying anything from it. Money is not hard to make, you just need to know how to make it. 15k armor isn't impossible to get, it's hard, of course if you think that the last armor set in the game should be handed to you, just leave GW right now. On average, if you spent one hour selling a minor rune for 500, then that would mean 500 per hour. Now you can't make money that way so insted you solo hunt things for atleast 1000/hour, if you haven't tried it, you really should, little point in replying to this topic anymore if you still want to complain and haven't tried hunting.

Sigh, lol! So many players, so many opinions. Complaints are not about minor things or details. Do you want to know what would make many players happy? The thrill of an item dropping... Is it gold? Yes?? Identify... OMG! Its....

The Rune Of Jordan!!
+1 To All Skill Levels
Increase Maximum Energy 25%
Adds 1-12 Lightning Damage
+25 To Energy

How we miss that, we miss that, we MISS that exitement!

i get a little excited when the very last of that charr army in the first missiom falls to my elemonk SOLO NO HENCHIES

edit

most of them ran right past me but i did kill 7 at one frenzy

ok these the only two things i tend to disagree here with honestly rest is just jibba jabba,

1----yes ive beaten the game the storyline sucked and you cant improve with the current farming, pvpers yes because of the pvp side of buying runes,skills etc

2----- yes there is a thing called balance and if anet cannot figure out how to do it theyre dummies because ive played DFC and in DFC you had about 6 classes in each realm and 3 realms imagine balancing that out, thats each class complaining (it wasnt possible) in guild wars theres two sides, pvp Vs pve balancing this current issue is being able to bring back farming

EDIT: 6x3=28

I would also like to see Fissure and Underworld opened up. In principle it was a good idea to win in the HOH and this then opens up the transitions for your territory. Unfourtunatly Europe seldom wins in the Halls?? Not enough dedicated guilds maybe Communication problems, Or just plain crap :-)

IMO PVE play in this part of the game is slowed because of PVP play. I would like to see it open to everyone anytime but maybe a higher price to enter 1k isnt a great deal between 8 players who pay their way 150G how about 500G each to enter taken Automaticly when entering.

This would shut up the Lvl20+ who have finished the game and have nothing to do till this area opens. It would also be a great gold sink.