yeah, anet being so responsive is the biggest load of crock I have ever heard.
1. To please PvE players they add in ale, lol, thats nothing at all. That is pure fluff.
2. The entire advertisement of the game was completely false in every way.
From Dynamic Terrain, to Skill, to no mindless repition, to fun pve.
3. Don't wait for them to fix grind because it will never be gone, they will not eliminate it. Fact. PvP quest rewards will take years and years alone to get all the skills.
4. the game is unbalanced, designed that way (PvE rewards your PVP skill)
5. The PVP maps offer no replayability just repitition, They have added nothing in the way of PVP offerings since 2 years ago in E34E, besides GVG.
6. The PvE is not replayable unless you have really low standards for games.
7. The huge ammount of customers they could have had where lost, the ones they have now will not be buying the expansion. Anet's reputation for actually delivering products that follow advertisement and box info is completely sullied in most eyes, and the HARDCORE gamers create word of mouth.
ArenaNet Changes - Not a fan
BE|Dac
Shin Lail
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7. The huge ammount of customers they could have had where lost, the ones they have now will not be buying the expansion. Anet's reputation for actually delivering products that follow advertisement and box info is completely sullied in most eyes, and the HARDCORE gamers create word of mouth.
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BE|Dac
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AKA where if they didnt do this 5x-10x more people would be playing PVP on a regular basis, aka making it a lot better.
Basically the PVP in the game before release, was quick, easy, and pretty fun with even just UAS. The hype pre-release was pretty big everywhere, Casual game for casual gamers, anyone can play etc. Was all bullshit and the game was retarded, I mean honestly you would spend a month getting a build ready to be ran, then have to sit people because they didnt have grind done, then they would just slowly disappear because it was retarded.
Honestly the PvP is just stupid atm. I mean a little competition would be nice. Instead we have this abomination of good gameplay and design.
Yeah im harsh, but plainly spoken I have high standards in games, and Anet obviously doesn't.
stumpy
ale is fluff ... but I believe it was only added as another out source for people to waste there money on. no real content developments have occurred and unfortunately none seem to really be on the horizon except for the freebie ones coming this august which will give pve players about 1 week of fun. I'm gathering it will be about 2 weeks for me ... but I'm not as hardcore as some of the gamers. Anet could nerf me and the 2 areas could be larger than the shiverpeaks which makes my assumption wrong. Please nerf me, please ...
anyways, read the recent interview ... it addresses a couple of your 'people are stupid' in black and white ... i believe it says word for word 'guildwars is not really a mmo'
and goes on stating how they intend to develop more pvp aspects and have plans of bumping there first world class tourney ahead of schedule (pvp again) ... and once again pve gets the royal boot in the testicle. Guess U/W and fissure runs are all thats left.... still trying to solo that but heaven forbid I make a farming video of doing that ... impossible ... we will see
EDIT --- they dont make money from pve players because pve players have little to play for right now. Even less than pvp gamers.
anyways, read the recent interview ... it addresses a couple of your 'people are stupid' in black and white ... i believe it says word for word 'guildwars is not really a mmo'
and goes on stating how they intend to develop more pvp aspects and have plans of bumping there first world class tourney ahead of schedule (pvp again) ... and once again pve gets the royal boot in the testicle. Guess U/W and fissure runs are all thats left.... still trying to solo that but heaven forbid I make a farming video of doing that ... impossible ... we will see
EDIT --- they dont make money from pve players because pve players have little to play for right now. Even less than pvp gamers.
Itbegins
yah i agree with Bedac 95% im sticking with it for at least the next expansion if im not impressed im done with this game and i dont speak for everyone but i speak for about 100+ people in game who agree 100%........ how freaking retarded is it with each charector you make to unlock skills you have to do the same missions over and over and over again.
BE|Dac
Basically, if I was asking for mounts, magical effects, a whole new magic system with etc.
Im not asking for months of coding work, months of etc.
I think eveyrone is just asking for them to change some design ideas they have to suit the community, casual gamers and people interested in at least trying out PvP how it was balanced, meant, and supposed to be played. With access to 450 skills and dynamic matchups.
I don't see the problem, I never have, maybe they make more $$$ from PVE players this way but I really don't understand how.
I know GW has an awesome PVP system, I have played in it for a long time, I can feel the difference in every tombs channel, every forum, and every PvP players view on everything. I don't see the big roadblock in the way, to me its an open highway ANET has no reason not to ride down, infact they promised it.
Im not asking for months of coding work, months of etc.
I think eveyrone is just asking for them to change some design ideas they have to suit the community, casual gamers and people interested in at least trying out PvP how it was balanced, meant, and supposed to be played. With access to 450 skills and dynamic matchups.
I don't see the problem, I never have, maybe they make more $$$ from PVE players this way but I really don't understand how.
I know GW has an awesome PVP system, I have played in it for a long time, I can feel the difference in every tombs channel, every forum, and every PvP players view on everything. I don't see the big roadblock in the way, to me its an open highway ANET has no reason not to ride down, infact they promised it.
Red Locust
Omg you're so right!!1! I also think Half Life 2 is a garbage game because the single player is linear and only playable once, and the multiplayer CS:S offers no replayability just repetition on the same maps killing the same people using the same guns, over and over again.
oh wait. CSS and Guild Wars are currently some of the most played online games right now, along with WoW and EQ2 which have even more grind. :|
oh wait. CSS and Guild Wars are currently some of the most played online games right now, along with WoW and EQ2 which have even more grind. :|
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yeah, anet being so responsive is the biggest load of crock I have ever heard.
1. To please PvE players they add in ale, lol, thats nothing at all. That is pure fluff. |
I won't comment about the other stuff because they're relative (IMO). Though I think Anet has been pretty responsive to gamers, compared to other game developers (with a somewhat fire-and-forget attitude).
Seems like someone needs to relax a bit and have some ale ...
BE|Dac
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Omg you're so right!!1! I also think Half Life 2 is a garbage game because the single player is linear and only playable once, and the multiplayer CS:S offers no replayability just repetition on the same maps killing the same people using the same guns, over and over again.
oh wait. CSS and Guild Wars are currently some of the most played online games right now, along with WoW and EQ2 which have even more grind. :| |
same for HL2.
Guildwars can be fun, but the singleplayer gets boring pretty quickly for a mmorpg compared to WoW etc. Also WoW is like 10x better at PvE then GW.
.... I dont see much immersion in GW or roleplaying.. not to say WoW has much roleplaying but it at least is immersion in a new world.
And really 15$ a month isnt that expensive... even for a less then great WoW game.
BE|Dac
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What's wrong with them adding ale? It doesn't hurt anyone at all. If anything, it gives some people an extra something to play with. I like those "fluffs" in games, especially RPG-ish ones. It's good distraction from the usual quest-quest-quest.
I won't comment about the other stuff because they're relative (IMO). Though I think Anet has been pretty responsive to gamers, compared to other game developers (with a somewhat fire-and-forget attitude). Seems like someone needs to relax a bit and have some ale ... |
im actually at work which is why I pozt herez.
nycxjk
Another pointless topic.
PieXags
I see...the PvP portion of GW is repetitive...but in CS: S that's entirely fine...sounds to me like you just overplayed the game too quickly. Need to know when to take a break man. ANY game will get boring if you play it too much, take a week off, play something else in the meantime.
Vynn
/yawn
Get on with your life then, BE|Dac.
Get on with your life then, BE|Dac.
Xoduz
Ian
I am an individual so I suppose I'm not stupid.
On topic, one of ArenaNet's goal is to reduce grind, not eliminate it.
So far, they have been catering the PvE aspect of the game. This week's patch letter clarified that they will focus on improving the PvP aspect of the game.
BE|Dac, which advertisement of the game do you think is completely false?
On topic, one of ArenaNet's goal is to reduce grind, not eliminate it.
So far, they have been catering the PvE aspect of the game. This week's patch letter clarified that they will focus on improving the PvP aspect of the game.
BE|Dac, which advertisement of the game do you think is completely false?
dbgtboy
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Stigmata Arta
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CS:S is fun and easy to access... Also you dont have to worry about stupid teammates because the maps are designed to funnel both teams, along with the ability to shine on your own and impress others.
same for HL2. Guildwars can be fun, but the singleplayer gets boring pretty quickly for a mmorpg compared to WoW etc. Also WoW is like 10x better at PvE then GW. .... I dont see much immersion in GW or roleplaying.. not to say WoW has much roleplaying but it at least is immersion in a new world. And really 15$ a month isnt that expensive... even for a less then great WoW game. |
As for the not buying the expansion Im buying the expansion and im sure that most people who play GW will probably buy it. Its probably the minority who will not get it.
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rofl, that is hilarious, why doesn't anet just give us all skills, this unlocking junk is stupid and boring, i have to beat the game 3 different times to actually start pvping since you really cant join a decent guild unless u can play almost every profession.
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Principa Discordia
I see that ranting-season is still in full swing. 
Mavrik
If they release an expansion, I'm waiting in line for it. GW rules.
And if I'm stupid? well, takes one to know one.
And if I'm stupid? well, takes one to know one.
Stigmata Arta
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I see that ranting-season is still in full swing.
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Some people thinking that they know best just really annoy me and I needed to say something about this.
Oh yeah
GO MAVRIK!!!!
salja Wachi
lol sounds like sour grapes to me.
rotflmao anyone who has to put "beta tester" in their title is insecure at best and arrogant at worst.
sounds like he is not very good lamo
rotflmao anyone who has to put "beta tester" in their title is insecure at best and arrogant at worst.
sounds like he is not very good lamo
Forscience
I agree in general with the satements made thus far in the thread. There are, however, three simple and irrefutable facts which I am afraid have been overlooked until now.
1. Guild Wars is fun
2. Other games are not fun
3. Play Guild Wars!
that is all
1. Guild Wars is fun
2. Other games are not fun
3. Play Guild Wars!
that is all
Episodicfreak
I like the game. Lord knows X-Fire's ranked up enough hours on it..
Most of the first post is opinion based. You're opinion's your own, I however, have the oposite. Sure it has problems, and Anet are trying to work with the community to deal with them. It does take time to think up decent ideas you know, then see if they'll work, how they'll be abused, how it will affect the game, who they will attract, and who will quit. It's still in it's teenage years yet. There's gonna be more problems, and some will disappear.
So ssh.. Just wait and see.
Most of the first post is opinion based. You're opinion's your own, I however, have the oposite. Sure it has problems, and Anet are trying to work with the community to deal with them. It does take time to think up decent ideas you know, then see if they'll work, how they'll be abused, how it will affect the game, who they will attract, and who will quit. It's still in it's teenage years yet. There's gonna be more problems, and some will disappear.
So ssh.. Just wait and see.
Zeru
Just because it's a rant doesn't mean it's not partially or heavily true. Rather than stupidly dismissing it and putting up sarcastic or flaming posts as some are doing why don't you consider it and realize that he may be right, or at least give logical reasoning why he's wrong.
Bah, I hate seeing threads go off track so quickly due to stupidity and the urge to flame; even if the original post was very harsh/controversial that doesn't mean you must come off as some people have.
And no this really hasn't been discussed much either. There has only been positive feedback towards anets constant updates which have apparently blinded people that quality=quantity. The new update only seems good cause of the support the alphas are giving for it (others like the skill point ones were utterly small band-aid fixes which did little); there still are pvp updates which are needed. Look at other long lasting games; Starcraft, D2. The casual player is not the reason why it lasts long, though anet could accomplish both purposes with the right moves, which is what dac seems to be suggesting.
Bah, I hate seeing threads go off track so quickly due to stupidity and the urge to flame; even if the original post was very harsh/controversial that doesn't mean you must come off as some people have.
And no this really hasn't been discussed much either. There has only been positive feedback towards anets constant updates which have apparently blinded people that quality=quantity. The new update only seems good cause of the support the alphas are giving for it (others like the skill point ones were utterly small band-aid fixes which did little); there still are pvp updates which are needed. Look at other long lasting games; Starcraft, D2. The casual player is not the reason why it lasts long, though anet could accomplish both purposes with the right moves, which is what dac seems to be suggesting.
Teklord
I like fun. This game is fun. Do I really need to say more?
I've been playing for close to a month now, and my furthest along character is Lvl14 and just found some place called Borlis Pass. I have no idea how far I am, don't really care either. The longer it takes me, the more fun I'll have. So far I'm enjoying the story line as well. Likely I'll continue to do so, and thus purchase the expansions and continue to have fun.
Did I mention today's special word? ... FUN!
My only complaints are the usual annoyances like people spamming in the wrong channels and the like. I can't even say I've had any grouping (PUG) problems yet. Although from what I've read, I'm sure I'll come to despise certain people that only do missions to capture skills and leave, or the bonus etc. Those types are quite simply Pathetic.
Remember, FUN!!
ADD ON:
Oh yeah, and I do take some offense to this topic's title. I am not stupid, and I don't think very highly of people who would make such a claim. However that being said, I still will not lower myself to that level in my replies.
I've been playing for close to a month now, and my furthest along character is Lvl14 and just found some place called Borlis Pass. I have no idea how far I am, don't really care either. The longer it takes me, the more fun I'll have. So far I'm enjoying the story line as well. Likely I'll continue to do so, and thus purchase the expansions and continue to have fun.
Did I mention today's special word? ... FUN!
My only complaints are the usual annoyances like people spamming in the wrong channels and the like. I can't even say I've had any grouping (PUG) problems yet. Although from what I've read, I'm sure I'll come to despise certain people that only do missions to capture skills and leave, or the bonus etc. Those types are quite simply Pathetic.
Remember, FUN!!
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Oh yeah, and I do take some offense to this topic's title. I am not stupid, and I don't think very highly of people who would make such a claim. However that being said, I still will not lower myself to that level in my replies.
Talesin Darkbriar
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yeah, anet being so responsive is the biggest load of crock I have ever heard.
1. To please PvE players they add in ale, lol, thats nothing at all. That is pure fluff. 2. The entire advertisement of the game was completely false in every way. From Dynamic Terrain, to Skill, to no mindless repition, to fun pve. 3. Don't wait for them to fix grind because it will never be gone, they will not eliminate it. Fact. PvP quest rewards will take years and years alone to get all the skills. 4. the game is unbalanced, designed that way (PvE rewards your PVP skill) 5. The PVP maps offer no replayability just repitition, They have added nothing in the way of PVP offerings since 2 years ago in E34E, besides GVG. 6. The PvE is not replayable unless you have really low standards for games. 7. The huge ammount of customers they could have had where lost, the ones they have now will not be buying the expansion. Anet's reputation for actually delivering products that follow advertisement and box info is completely sullied in most eyes, and the HARDCORE gamers create word of mouth. |
And if this isn't Brad McQuaid
Piss off. You wouldn't have a clue if I nailed it to your ass.With all the respect you deserve - none,
Talesin
Golgotha
I see that they still find time to come out from under the bridge.
drowningfish999
The game hasn't even been publically released for 6 months, and people are already complaining how nothing works, it's unfair, there's no replayability, theres too much grind. Could you at least wait to see how Arena.net is going to fix these things before you start complaining about them. They just released info on a PvP only patch which is designed to reduce grind and make it more balanced so PvE players don't get all the skills, yet people still complain. Do you really think the devs are gonna pay attention to these threads, or threads that actually suggest solutions in a constructive way?
Episodicfreak
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Do you really think the devs are gonna pay attention to these threads, or threads that actually suggest solutions in a constructive way?
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Forscience
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Just because it's a rant doesn't mean it's not partially or heavily true. Rather than stupidly dismissing it and putting up sarcastic or flaming posts as some are doing why don't you consider it and realize that he may be right, or at least give logical reasoning why he's wrong.
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Ok, you want a logical reason why he is wrong. Well here it goes.
The set of all sets that do not contain themselves as members does not contain itself as a member.
Since this is true it must also be true that the set of all sets that do not contain themselves as members does not contain itself as a member OR Guild Wars is Fun.
Since the set of all sets that do not contain themselves as members does not contain itself as a member, it must also be a member of its own set.
Therefor since that set contains itself and it is also true that it must either not contain itself or Guild Wars is fun. It is evident that Guild Wars is Fun!
Special thanks to Dr. Russel for that one
PhineasToke
The grind is beginning to depress me. I've built a number of characters on multiple accounts to get a feel for each character's strengths and weaknesses. Some of the changes for a casual PVE player such as myself have been welcome, but it seems more like dangling a carrot on a stick then major upgrades which would improve my enjoyment of the game.
The other night, I made my first PVP character, a Ranger. When I realized that it had NO applicable skills to transfer, I deleted it and created a warrior. Realizing I had to add runes and upgrade the pvp axe, I had to switch back to my pve and transfer gold and runes between accounts to make the warrior somewhat competitive.
Not knowing what I faced, I entered the competitive arena and the "team" I was on promptly got their (and my) butts kicked due to ZERO coordination and ZERO communication or any sembalance of teamwork. Trying again and shifting skills to deal with what I thought I would now face, I rejoined the arena. My "team" won 5 out of the next 8 times, but of those 8 times, I found myself the last man standing for 6 of those 8 competitions. Almost No cooperation, pointless thrashing, teammates bailling. I tried to concentrate on the healers and archers in each "game", sometimes chasing them all over the map while my team died or logged out, leaving me shelling the peanut as I was ganged up on.
Overall, it was extremely depressing to win 4 in a row, lose, and have to start over again with NO REWARD for winning. Overall, it was not enjoyable, especially when a moron stands over you and laughs when you die.
I found the solution. I deleted the PVP and retreated to PVE once again. PVE may have it's flaws, but PVP appeared to me to be totally useless, in spite of having the right armor, skills, runes, and attitude.
I am seriously concerned for the future of this game.
The other night, I made my first PVP character, a Ranger. When I realized that it had NO applicable skills to transfer, I deleted it and created a warrior. Realizing I had to add runes and upgrade the pvp axe, I had to switch back to my pve and transfer gold and runes between accounts to make the warrior somewhat competitive.
Not knowing what I faced, I entered the competitive arena and the "team" I was on promptly got their (and my) butts kicked due to ZERO coordination and ZERO communication or any sembalance of teamwork. Trying again and shifting skills to deal with what I thought I would now face, I rejoined the arena. My "team" won 5 out of the next 8 times, but of those 8 times, I found myself the last man standing for 6 of those 8 competitions. Almost No cooperation, pointless thrashing, teammates bailling. I tried to concentrate on the healers and archers in each "game", sometimes chasing them all over the map while my team died or logged out, leaving me shelling the peanut as I was ganged up on.
Overall, it was extremely depressing to win 4 in a row, lose, and have to start over again with NO REWARD for winning. Overall, it was not enjoyable, especially when a moron stands over you and laughs when you die.
I found the solution. I deleted the PVP and retreated to PVE once again. PVE may have it's flaws, but PVP appeared to me to be totally useless, in spite of having the right armor, skills, runes, and attitude.
I am seriously concerned for the future of this game.
Porkchop Sandwhiches
Hey, play EverQuest for awhile. Compared, this game and ANet is a lot better.
Now, stop complaining.
Now, stop complaining.
Red Locust
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The grind is beginning to depress me. I've built a number of characters on multiple accounts to get a feel for each character's strengths and weaknesses. Some of the changes for a casual PVE player such as myself have been welcome, but it seems more like dangling a carrot on a stick then major upgrades which would improve my enjoyment of the game.
The other night, I made my first PVP character, a Ranger. When I realized that it had NO applicable skills to transfer, I deleted it and created a warrior. Realizing I had to add runes and upgrade the pvp axe, I had to switch back to my pve and transfer gold and runes between accounts to make the warrior somewhat competitive. Not knowing what I faced, I entered the competitive arena and the "team" I was on promptly got their (and my) butts kicked due to ZERO coordination and ZERO communication or any sembalance of teamwork. Trying again and shifting skills to deal with what I thought I would now face, I rejoined the arena. My "team" won 5 out of the next 8 times, but of those 8 times, I found myself the last man standing for 6 of those 8 competitions. Almost No cooperation, pointless thrashing, teammates bailling. I tried to concentrate on the healers and archers in each "game", sometimes chasing them all over the map while my team died or logged out, leaving me shelling the peanut as I was ganged up on. Overall, it was extremely depressing to win 4 in a row, lose, and have to start over again with NO REWARD for winning. Overall, it was not enjoyable, especially when a moron stands over you and laughs when you die. I found the solution. I deleted the PVP and retreated to PVE once again. PVE may have it's flaws, but PVP appeared to me to be totally useless, in spite of having the right armor, skills, runes, and attitude. I am seriously concerned for the future of this game. |
chalt2
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yeah, anet being so responsive is the biggest load of crock I have ever heard.
1. To please PvE players they add in ale, lol, thats nothing at all. That is pure fluff. 2. The entire advertisement of the game was completely false in every way. From Dynamic Terrain, to Skill, to no mindless repition, to fun pve. 3. Don't wait for them to fix grind because it will never be gone, they will not eliminate it. Fact. PvP quest rewards will take years and years alone to get all the skills. 4. the game is unbalanced, designed that way (PvE rewards your PVP skill) 5. The PVP maps offer no replayability just repitition, They have added nothing in the way of PVP offerings since 2 years ago in E34E, besides GVG. 6. The PvE is not replayable unless you have really low standards for games. 7. The huge ammount of customers they could have had where lost, the ones they have now will not be buying the expansion. Anet's reputation for actually delivering products that follow advertisement and box info is completely sullied in most eyes, and the HARDCORE gamers create word of mouth. |
That's brilliant!
PhineasToke
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Geeze, can you at least chill for a few more days? Pretty soon, you'll be able to play through your PvE normally without grinding for anything, then switch to PvP arena or tombs, rack up some wins and unlock all your shiz, then go about pvping "on a level playing field" as they call it these days.
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Mr. Matt
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Just because it's a rant doesn't mean it's not partially or heavily true. Rather than stupidly dismissing it and putting up sarcastic or flaming posts as some are doing why don't you consider it and realize that he may be right, or at least give logical reasoning why he's wrong.
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Do you know what I do see, though? On the game itself, I mean, not some forum which represents only a tiny fraction of players? Lots of people enjoying themselves! Interesting concept, I know. I do too. Everybody I know does it. The fact that Guild Wars is still a heavily popular game makes it pretty damned clear that it's not 'falling to pieces' as some people keep regurgitating.
Jaythen Tyradel
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I guess discussing in-game experiences is difficult (for you) to comprehend? Why should I "chill"? Isn't this what the forums are all about?
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Talesin Darkbriar
I award Phineas one style point!
Adaria
I find it a little funny that this hasnt' been closed merely due to the OP.
You can not speak for everyone on this issue, and what good does it bring to this community or Guild Wars with your attitude issue? Nothing but more flames and hate, if you are so annoyed and angered by this game, you should leave now and save yourself, and the rest of us, more suffering.
A little harsh, perhaps, but this is not what anyone needs to see, it isn't constructive, only destructive, and by the way, that flash was hilarious. >^_^<
Well there you go, my two cents...
I'm more angered at the moment by my new PCs lack of being able to play GW at the moment than anything else... but I will rant on this later...
You can not speak for everyone on this issue, and what good does it bring to this community or Guild Wars with your attitude issue? Nothing but more flames and hate, if you are so annoyed and angered by this game, you should leave now and save yourself, and the rest of us, more suffering.
A little harsh, perhaps, but this is not what anyone needs to see, it isn't constructive, only destructive, and by the way, that flash was hilarious. >^_^<
Well there you go, my two cents...
I'm more angered at the moment by my new PCs lack of being able to play GW at the moment than anything else... but I will rant on this later...
ReclinerOfRage
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3. Don't wait for them to fix grind because it will never be gone, they will not eliminate it. Fact. PvP quest rewards will take years and years alone to get all the skills.
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Is it a joke like gaining 5xp per kill in Tombs?