I actually am not part of testing anymore, I have pulled that figure out speculation and estimation on plausible (comparing it to PVE) comparisons.
Knowing they would probably make it 2x longer then PVE is where I get that number.
ArenaNet Changes - Not a fan
BE|Dac
Red Locust
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I guess discussing in-game experiences is difficult (for you) to comprehend? Why should I "chill"? Isn't this what the forums are all about?
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Algren Cole
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I see...the PvP portion of GW is repetitive...but in CS: S that's entirely fine...sounds to me like you just overplayed the game too quickly. Need to know when to take a break man. ANY game will get boring if you play it too much, take a week off, play something else in the meantime.
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Counter Strike...boring....stop speaking blasphemy before the CS gods strike you down with a vengeful fury!
Rahne Sinclaire
I don't agree with the way this was posted, but I do agree on some points... mainly the fact that, honestly, they're not doing much to reduce the grind. The fact of the matter is, having to play through the PvE portion more than once is insanely tedious. Granted, the grind is significantly less than in a game such as FFXI, but it's still there and it's very noticeable.
Also, this doesn't seem like a game that you can just pick up from the store and play in PvP. They make it seem like that, but honestly, their selection of pre-made PvP characters is very small and many don't really serve much purpose in the Tombs.
Then again, what do I know? I'm just posting my thoughts.
Also, this doesn't seem like a game that you can just pick up from the store and play in PvP. They make it seem like that, but honestly, their selection of pre-made PvP characters is very small and many don't really serve much purpose in the Tombs.
Then again, what do I know? I'm just posting my thoughts.
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I don't agree with the way this was posted, but I do agree on some points... mainly the fact that, honestly, they're not doing much to reduce the grind. The fact of the matter is, having to play through the PvE portion more than once is insanely tedious. Granted, the grind is significantly less than in a game such as FFXI, but it's still there and it's very noticeable.
Also, this doesn't seem like a game that you can just pick up from the store and play in PvP. They make it seem like that, but honestly, their selection of pre-made PvP characters is very small and many don't really serve much purpose in the Tombs. Then again, what do I know? I'm just posting my thoughts. |
I have read stories about others who have won PvP rounds or even reach the Hall of Heroes with premade or custom PvP characters. So in contrary to your statement, I do think they serve some purpose.
Rahne Sinclaire
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ArenaNet has helped reduce grind by introducing the Rune Trader and Rare Material Trader. Here's an example of how it helped. Before then, people have sold and paid atleast 100k gold for Superior Vigor Runes. Now that the vendors sell it for about that much, people sell it for a bit less 65-85k so that leads others to buy it from players instead of the NPC Trader.
I have read stories about others who have won PvP rounds or even reach the Hall of Heroes with premade or custom PvP characters. So in contrary to your statement, I do think they serve some purpose. |
For the record, I put my emphasis on the Tombs because that seems to be where the most fun in the game is; the other arenas limit you to 4 players.
And, yeah, the rune traders did help tremendously, but what I'm talking about is getting skills... you either grind your ass off and get xp for skill points, or play through the game again as the class whose skills you are looking to unlock. Both are pretty annoying.
I'm not saying the game is horrible, because I still play it and have a lot of fun, I'm just pointing out some things that bug me and could be worked on.
KaPe
"The huge ammount of customers they could have had where lost, the ones they have now will not be buying the expansion. Anet's reputation for actually delivering products that follow advertisement and box info is completely sullied in most eyes, and the HARDCORE gamers create word of mouth."
I love such opinions, based on facts and statistics, where you can clearly see how many people have left and how many won't buy expansion... Wait, where exactly are those numbers?
So, just because you and your IG friends quit it's suddenly majority? Plus it's only natural people want to take a break after playing game for some time - which doesn't mean they dislike the game, they simply want to play something else.
I love such opinions, based on facts and statistics, where you can clearly see how many people have left and how many won't buy expansion... Wait, where exactly are those numbers?
So, just because you and your IG friends quit it's suddenly majority? Plus it's only natural people want to take a break after playing game for some time - which doesn't mean they dislike the game, they simply want to play something else.
Acan Vishnu
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I actually am not part of testing anymore, I have pulled that figure out speculation and estimation on plausible (comparing it to PVE) comparisons.
Knowing they would probably make it 2x longer then PVE is where I get that number. |
"I pulled this crap out of my ass and decided to share it with you all"
Thanks alot, but next time... Keep your crap to yourself.
And as far as this being a flame: You post a flame-baiting thread, trying pathetically to insult everyone on the forum, and guess what you get?
Fantras
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CS is fun and easy to access... Also you dont have to worry about stupid teammates because the maps are designed to funnel both teams, along with the ability to shine on your own and impress others.
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StandardAI
What dac is trying to say is that, People who do the beta test are telling him how stupid it's going to be.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...ame%22&spell=1
Look at that nice juicy false advertising, thousands of pages of crap that arenanet made sure we'd read before the game was released. Thanks for stealing our money Arenanet.
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Oh gaile my fissure armor looks the same as the normal armor!
Oh well you know what we're fixing it in a patch or two, don't you worry!
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Oh gaile the icon for Ale is messed up, and it's 100 gold extra, what ever shall we do! Ale is so important!
Oh well don't you worry, we'll fix that tomorrow, Ale being expensive and not having an icon? I won't stand for it!
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Gaile there's some serious PvP Issues that need to be fixed
Crickets
You're completely right, instead of spending a couple days getting to level 60 in WoW, we have to spend months pacing our self in the glass-eating PvE, grinding for skill points before we can get to the "strategically interesting" part of the game.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...ame%22&spell=1
Look at that nice juicy false advertising, thousands of pages of crap that arenanet made sure we'd read before the game was released. Thanks for stealing our money Arenanet.
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Oh gaile my fissure armor looks the same as the normal armor!
Oh well you know what we're fixing it in a patch or two, don't you worry!
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Oh gaile the icon for Ale is messed up, and it's 100 gold extra, what ever shall we do! Ale is so important!
Oh well don't you worry, we'll fix that tomorrow, Ale being expensive and not having an icon? I won't stand for it!
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Gaile there's some serious PvP Issues that need to be fixed
Crickets
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You don't have to spend countless hours on a leveling treadmill to get to the interesting parts of the game, because combat is designed to be strategically interesting and challenging right from the beginning.
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Fantras
*Shrug* I thought pvp was fixed after the next update. What's wrong with it now?
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What dac is trying to say is that, People who do the beta test are telling him how stupid it's going to be.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...ame%22&spell=1 Look at that nice juicy false advertising, thousands of pages of crap that arenanet made sure we'd read before the game was released. Thanks for stealing our money Arenanet. ---- Oh gaile my fissure armor looks the same as the normal armor! Oh well you know what we're fixing it in a patch or two, don't you worry! ---- Oh gaile the icon for Ale is messed up, and it's 100 gold extra, what ever shall we do! Ale is so important! Oh well don't you worry, we'll fix that tomorrow, Ale being expensive and not having an icon? I won't stand for it! ---- Gaile there's some serious PvP Issues that need to be fixed - Oh well don't you worry, we'll be releasing a big-ass patch that will introduce the concept of PvP rewards and will greatly affect the pvp people, putting all the other small patches to shame. |
StandardAI
As dac stated, it's going to take countless hours to unlock things through PvP quests. That is if he is right, In which case, everyone who's quit, won't come back, and everyone who's still playing will eventually quit.
Fantras
Dude!!! You're taking away his ability to stamp and rave like a 3 year old who didn't get a toy. What's wrong with you?
StandardAI
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Dude!!! You're taking away his ability to stamp and rave like a 3 year old who didn't get a toy. What's wrong with you?
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Red Locust
I see complaining going on everywhere. Name an RPG and I'll point you to a forum that is full of whiners and whatnot. Hell, go on the WoW forums, there's nothing but complaints there. SWG? I once visited their forums and never dared to go back. People just love to complain.
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Do you see this kind of ---- for other games smart one? Huge false advertising? Do you think we post because it's just a load of _fun_ to complain about how we were robbed 50 dollars. Do you think the people who strike do it because they have nothing better to do and like being unemployed? Or because they'd like ---- to be the way it should be, and they don't like getting ----ed in the ----.
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Tengoku No Yushosha
Do you really expect your words to do anything? If so, you'd better get something else to do because it won't. Why waste your life with something that YOU believe isn't worth your time? Some of us actually WANT to play, so stop wasting your time with making comments about "Oh its bad" "Oh I don't like that". Well some of us do, and those who don't, theres always an option of leaving 
termite
I'm too tired at the moment to write my own, original post, so I'll just quote everything that I agree with from the original post:
I wonder how long before fans pile into mmorpg.com and start changing their votes from 10 to 1...
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2. The entire advertisement of the game was completely false in every way.
3. Don't wait for them to fix grind because it will never be gone, they will not eliminate it. Fact. PvP quest rewards will take years and years alone to get all the skills. 4. the game is unbalanced, designed that way (PvE rewards your PVP skill) 5. The PVP maps offer no replayability just repitition, They have added nothing in the way of PVP offerings since 2 years ago in E34E, besides GVG. 6. The PvE is not replayable unless you have really low standards for games. 7. The huge ammount of customers they could have had where lost, the ones they have now will not be buying the expansion. Anet's reputation for actually delivering products that follow advertisement and box info is completely sullied in most eyes, and the HARDCORE gamers create word of mouth. |
Fantras
I, for one, completely enjoy the game and its updates. Maybe I am part of a hugely small minority and am in the dark as to the true feelings of the vast majority of players. Or maybe you are.
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I, for one, completely enjoy the game and its updates. Maybe I am part of a hugely small minority and am in the dark as to the true feelings of the vast majority of players. Or maybe you are.
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Seth Oriath
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I wonder how long before fans pile into mmorpg.com and start changing their votes from 10 to 1...
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Tell me something, has it ever occurred to any of you that just maybe they were talking about real skill, and that this game is built around that? Elite skills mean nothing; they're overhyped, plain and simple. SKILL is using what you've got available. ANYONE can take a basic PVP template and work with it and use the skills available, and if they have the SKILL to use them properly, can be just as competitive as someone that's played through the game twenty billion times over just to get an elite skill. Do they HAVE to play PVE to be better?
NO!
You give me one good REASON, and not a freakin' opinion, on how in the world you can be better with your "Elite" skill. THAT's how this game's advertised; you think differently, and it's only your fault that you goofed.
In fact, I hope every single one of you leave. I'm tired of all this crap about "Oh, PVP is ganked! PVP suxxors! PVP this, PVP that." PROVE YOUR POINT! Don't keep giving crap opinions like "They did false advertising! I was lured here!" You tried going to a lawyer yet? No?
When you all leave, the game will be a better place. Don't take pitty on us. We'll take pitty on whatever game you end up on next.
Mormegil
There's something you guys don't know. Beidac and StandardAI are two nice fellas who just won the "I-hate-life" competition. Basically it consisted in posting negative comments everywhere to look cool and different. I suggest you try that little button "view all posts from this user" on Beidac and his mate.
You'll be surprised.
If one of these guys met Paris Hilton and she said to him "hey, I fell in love with you, my body will be yours forever" he would probably reply "we all have to die one day, so who cares about you. Go away."
You'll be surprised.
If one of these guys met Paris Hilton and she said to him "hey, I fell in love with you, my body will be yours forever" he would probably reply "we all have to die one day, so who cares about you. Go away."
Inde
I changed the thread title. Lets drop the sensationalism.
termite
Seth Oriath - so you're saying that they used the term "skill" to deceive the fans into buying the game, knowing damn well that they weren't gonna get what they were paying for? Note the sections 2 and 6 in the original post by BE|Dac.
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I changed the thread title. Lets drop the sensationalism.
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This thread could become funny as hell-in a dangerous way though. I really hope it won't be closed, but I'm afraid that will be inevitable at a certain point.
Shadowdaemon
its funny you people hate the game so bad and whine constanty about it, yet here you are on the forum for it, when you quit playing like you all say, will you leave the forums too???? please i hope so
Sol Invictus
I didn't know you could level to 60 in 2 days in WOW.
Zeru
I enjoy the fact that anet is updating weekly.
I don't enjoy the fact that up until this next one anet's updates have been really bad.
It's kinda sad that updating more frequently than most could ever hope for would blind people that there's no real fixes being done (just poor band-aids), until hopefully, the next one, which will hopefully bring the game to what it was two months ago, at least in pvp. The pve beta was still better in beta then now (a lot of skill choice+options then).
I really wish though that the people who just post to flame pvpers subtly or not or tell everyone who isn't like them to go play counterstrike just wouldn't waste everyones time and not post. Those are more worthless than practically anything I've seen on this forum.
I don't enjoy the fact that up until this next one anet's updates have been really bad.
It's kinda sad that updating more frequently than most could ever hope for would blind people that there's no real fixes being done (just poor band-aids), until hopefully, the next one, which will hopefully bring the game to what it was two months ago, at least in pvp. The pve beta was still better in beta then now (a lot of skill choice+options then).
I really wish though that the people who just post to flame pvpers subtly or not or tell everyone who isn't like them to go play counterstrike just wouldn't waste everyones time and not post. Those are more worthless than practically anything I've seen on this forum.
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I didn't know you could level to 60 in 2 days in WOW.
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Rhedd
What, this thread has gone on this long and nobody's said the obvious thing yet?
Bye. Can I have your stuff?
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Bye. Can I have your stuff?
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Divinitys Creature
The patches to date have been like applying lotion to a scratch on your elbow and your knee and all the while ignoring the big old crystalline sword sticking in your chest and going all the way through, along side a fellblade, a dragon sword and being immolated.
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Seth Oriath - so you're saying that they used the term "skill" to deceive the fans into buying the game, knowing damn well that they weren't gonna get what they were paying for? Note the sections 2 and 6 in the original post by BE|Dac.
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All of you whiners can try to blame your ignorance on other things, but it won't get you anywhere. YOU are to blame for your own ignorance.
If you're so pissed and fed up with the game, why haven't you left yet? Has ArenaNet chained your hands to the keyboard and mouse, forcing you to keep playing their game? Get a clue. If you're pissed, leave. We won't be missin' ya.
Mountain Man
You know, if everybody who claimed to hate the game simply walked away and left the rest of us in peace, we'd have a pretty cool player community.
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You know, if everybody who claimed to hate the game simply walked away and left the rest of us in peace, we'd have a pretty cool player community.
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You know, if everybody who claimed to hate the game simply walked away and left the rest of us in peace, we'd have a pretty cool player community.
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This is basically what is happening to these people.
Fantras
This has pretty much progressed exactly the way I figured it would. The PVP UAS crowd raises concerns about levelling in PvP and how they don't want to do PvE. So Anet addresses that, allows them to get skills by doing what they like, PvP, and it still isn't enough. Let's just wait and see what they ask for next. I think it'll be pretty much everything right from the get go, but they will deny that, until they specifically ask for it.
Ollj
funny. the thread starter thinks he speaks for everyone, but speaks for almost noone.
goldfinger
This is a joke, First off I can't believe anyone complained that the pvp only charecters are no good because they need runes for them. Well, why don't you toy around with different skill sets until you find what is right for you, then go buy the equipment/runes you want and slap em on your charecter with the piles of money you got from "the grind". Another good idea is map out the skills you want but do not have, so you can get the most of your skill points.
I have not come into contact with ANY of these problems because I go at a slower pace. I also find alot of these complaints to be exaggerated crybaby crap. I don't want to see anyone claim "false advertising" unless their guild wars box claims that it will make their johnson grow an extra 6 inches. Please, I am glad the rational portion of your brains are still in full function. I also find that the end game is kind of exactly that... the end game. Expansions and free patches will be released in due time, and until then they have provided many activities (skills, pvp, etc.) to keep you occupied. Be patient, Anet has explicitely stated new pve areas are on their way, and the game is in a perpetual state of change. Don't get me wrong, I don't disagree with everything everyone has to say... I mean, super bosses and missions and alot of suggestions here are very good ideas, but they are being expressed in a less than ideal manner.
I have not come into contact with ANY of these problems because I go at a slower pace. I also find alot of these complaints to be exaggerated crybaby crap. I don't want to see anyone claim "false advertising" unless their guild wars box claims that it will make their johnson grow an extra 6 inches. Please, I am glad the rational portion of your brains are still in full function. I also find that the end game is kind of exactly that... the end game. Expansions and free patches will be released in due time, and until then they have provided many activities (skills, pvp, etc.) to keep you occupied. Be patient, Anet has explicitely stated new pve areas are on their way, and the game is in a perpetual state of change. Don't get me wrong, I don't disagree with everything everyone has to say... I mean, super bosses and missions and alot of suggestions here are very good ideas, but they are being expressed in a less than ideal manner.
Kishin
Try making a good 8 man team out of just the PvP templates and see how that gets you. Its kinda like attacking a tank with a toothpick. No matter how much you practice doing so...the tank's gonna win. Most of them are just plain not good.
That said, it is honestly enjoyable playing through the PvE campaign for me. The first time. It gets kinda stale when you repeat it over and over, and this is just coming from someone helping his guildmates do quests and who's second character is only at Kryta and has sat there for some time now. I think four Blood & Smokes is (already) enough for me, really. I just want to see a way to access as many skills as possible without having to play through the entire game at least three times. I would gladly take something that would unlock all non elites upon completion of the game, or anything at all, really, so I'll just wait and see till next week.
That said, it is honestly enjoyable playing through the PvE campaign for me. The first time. It gets kinda stale when you repeat it over and over, and this is just coming from someone helping his guildmates do quests and who's second character is only at Kryta and has sat there for some time now. I think four Blood & Smokes is (already) enough for me, really. I just want to see a way to access as many skills as possible without having to play through the entire game at least three times. I would gladly take something that would unlock all non elites upon completion of the game, or anything at all, really, so I'll just wait and see till next week.