Update still doesn't allow full attribute refund points in town? It officially sucks

So you have no complaint about the request. You just have a complaint about the complaining. Well what if I want to complain about the complaints towards the complainer?

Listen, believe me when I tell you that from now until next Wednesday evening, I will spend more time in the world of Guild Wars than any other recreational activity that I've put on hold since the release. It is TONS of fun, and I'm not going to lie and say it isn't. I still find this is an important, and as you insinuate yourself, and common sense issue that should be resolved. No major resources are needed to change a line of code or two... but it would make a world of difference.

My guess is that to make it so pvp players get all skill points refunded after every match would take a major coding change to the core engine, since the pvp arenas are most likely linked with pve arenas and guilds halls. It is more than likely this is a core element shared by both pvp and pve, and affecting one would directly affect the other. it would take signifigantly more time and resources from anet to make this change than it would for you to delete and make a new character. I'd rather anet be focusing on the new pve content and ovbserver mode than trying to overhaul the game engine so you can get all refund points after a pvp only match.

The only reason you would really have for not deleting a pvp build is if you've invested enough time that the characer has high fame and rank... but then again, fame and rank don't do anything except for bragging rights. it does add skill points the higher you go i beleive... but you can't spend skill points with pvp character anyway. xp doesn't do anything for pvp build... already at 20 and again, skill points aren't usable by pvp characters.

to OP.

if you are talking about getting refund points. there is one way to get full refund pts from ones used on secondary professions. just switch to another and it gives it right back. and you can switch back to fix it accordingly.

but if your talking about pts for primary. then it is already balanced so that you have to work for them by fighting/acquiring exp for refund pts.

I know of the secondary exploit... if it is ok for changing half your character, no harm is done for changing tall of your points. Yes, we know you can grind it off for your original characters, but if you think about it, how does that serve any purpose at all? Any forced PvE action should have a purpose or it is a grind.

All the hours I put into PvE was forced to reach the end, but it was a 'fun' forced experience that served a purpose (story, skills, etc.), therefore, it's not a grind. Killing the same farm monsters over and over in unrelated PvE just to enjoy freedom in PvP is indeed a grind.

now, I program games (quite complex ones) in a garage-group.

you are right this COULD be done in a few simple codes inserted into the section where it does the town loading.

however, quick programming get-arounds to have something work is generally a bad idea later down the track.

to implement this correctly, the whole attribute refund system would have to be taken out, and re-written. aswell as sections of the XP gaining code (I'd say thats where its linked).


Perhaps you should start using there "ask a question" they always answer my questions quite promptly. and are helpful. which is why you will almost never see my post a complaint (and when I do, anet will have dodged my question, but they havent yet).

this way you will find out from THEM what/if any progress is being done on this.

Fair enough. As a matter of fact, I politely asked Gaile the question directly after she made a comment in a thread from last week. My post was directly below hers (or two at the most).

I even asked for a reason why they aren't changing it if they don't agree with our request. No answers given, so here I am. They say they appreciate our input, so as long as all of the people who want it changed continue to bring it up, they'll hopefully address it one way or the other some day.

If it needs time as you say... I'd wait three months, or even the next purchased update if it were confirmed.... but it really should be changed now if there's no good reason for keeping it.

asking questions in forums doesnt work to well.

goto www.guildwars.com then into support. click "ask a question"

send it through, generally 12 hours later youll have a reply. see what they say.

just ask them if they are/are not. havent decided. are working on it etc.

I never even try to ask questions directly to gaile on a forum. imagine all the PM's she would get, all the forums shed read, all the questions she would see.

oh, and answering in a forum only opens her to flaming from those who dont agree with your view. again, use the proper channels. forums to give ideas, support for well, support (which is what you basically want)

Best solution yet, remove attribute refund points, make guild wars like every other game on the market, and no one has to read thousands of threads that list and label complaints about an undeveloped feature, that was not designed for the complaintees intended use in the first place.

yea, Sounds great to me !

Why not just do away with refund points for PvP characters?

Mmmmm...paying cash to change my talent points around...what a great memory.

on PVP only characters? just delete them and make a new one. thats the intention.
if your also using them as mules, thats your problem

I was under the impression the OP was talking about PvE character playing in PvP.

If you do pvp, and you don't have a slot open for a pvp char at all time, you're playing this game wrong.

Not only does pvp demand that you change your attribute combination constantly, it demands you change your CLASS combination with great regularity. You have to be able to get together with people, discuss a new tactic, and then create a character to suit that tactic, NOT build the tactics around the characters.

Three rp char slots is exactly enough to cover every class, and the manual explained pvp chars in suitable detail, so you have no excuse for not planning ahead.

^lol tell it like it is

Bah, the update made things worse. Remember how I said that you can't grind on the farms for XP with your PvP exclusive character? Now they made it so you can't get XP in PvP action using your original character. At least I could get 15 wins or so to change my build if I didn't want to farm. Now I am FORCED to farm in PvE to experiment in PvP with my desired character. Absolutely ridiculous. Why not just disallow PvE characters to PvP at all?

Arrendondo, if you have all four slots filled up with PvE characters, you should not be calling yourself a PvP'er. You are a shame to the PvP community. If what you want is flexibility, then what you need to do is to delete one of the PvE characters to make place for a PvP character. Not only will that allow for "infinite" refund points, it will also allow you to make any class changes you want. And as a PvP'er, that is what you want -- flexibility. As it stands you have four characters, four different class combinations, out of the 30 available combinations. A little over an eighth of the roles you could play if only you would delete one of your PvE's.

Stop acting all high and mighty. You do not deserve infinite refund points because your lack of foresight caused you to seal up your PvP flexibility.



Edit: I have had to delete characters in similar positions, too. Two of them were approaching level 20, including the first character I'd ever played. It's painful, I know, but it's worth it in the long run. It's helped me alot, I know.

Best solution if you don't play PvE anymore and your exclusive PvP delete a PvE character, nuff siad.

Ah PvPers, you gotta love em, if they don't get everythign handed to them on a silver platter they are not happy. Ever heard of the world competition.

You know all thei moaning about this that and the other and you could have had 4 refund points already. Stop moaning and play the game, if you want to ahve an advantage that will be it, you can be getting refund points while everyone else is moaning.

You got to love people first they want a way to unlock everything and when they get it they moan because it's not enough.

Hey us ole PvEer get virtually nothing from this, so stop your moaning or I can go on about what I want and what other PvEers want. Or maybe this just shows that PvEer actually like the challenge and competition brought about by PvE. You now the whole point of competion is your skill, not what you have, because if that was not the case everyone with Nike trainers would be in the olympics.

So stop moaning and get competative, if you have completed everything then you will know the best places to get quick XP, so use them, use your skill and knowledge in competion to be better than the others. Don't bitch and moan to us if you don't want to spend time perfectiong your skill and abilites. Because racing drivers don't become No.1 over night they ahve to work for it.

Suggestion sent... thx.

Hey ahve you heard of the words 'Guild co-oporations' if not it's a great way to get XP and money and you also helping out guild mates. You know take your uber lvl20 character back to ascalon and help a new guild member through the missions and quests. Now thats not grind that helping the guild. At the end of the day I get all the refund points I need for my Lvl 20 by helping out guild mates on the hard missions and quests. I don't find it a grind I find it fun and it imporve the whole guild dynamic.

You have to think one step ahead of him, Gabby. Now he's going to complain about how he shouldn't have to be forced to help people with things they don't need help in, and about how his guild is fully developed anyway and doesn't have many new members.

Gotta stay one step ahead, there, man.

^ someone just like to flame total nonsense for the sake of flaming

(much like me, but I generaly try and put a point in there somewhere)