They dont care about us "Rangers"

If anyone has noticed, they didn't update the druid armor like they promise they would. In one of the updates, they said they would update the druid armor on the next major update. I've waited to see this new druid armor they promised, and when the update finally came out. I went to go read the updates that they had made. Skimming through to see what they have updated for the 15k armor. All I saw was, updated necromancer armor, elementist armor, and mesmer armor. NOTHING about ranger druid armor! It was such a great dissapointment. Not only that but it was quite unfair. And as you can tell. They honestly don't care about rangers in the game.

Rangers only have 1 weapon, like someone had posted awhile ago. And their only weapon is a bow. Everyone else gets 2 choices of a weapon. Warriors have a choice from a sword, axe and hammer. Necromancers, elementists, mesmers, they all have 2 choices. Rangers.... one.

So as you can see, rangers are the least characters that gw gm would take care of. I even sent in a question to the gm. And they didn't give me a proper answer, they asked me "Did you buy the druid armor befor or after the update" I told them, that I didn't purchase the armor until I was fully sure that the new armor was out. Hours later, they gave me another e-mail. Telling me to post it on forums. They didn't give me a satisfied answer.

Have anything to say..? post away..

I always try to include a Ranger in our groups. I find them an important member of the team. Sorry about the armor though....Maybe they are working on some really sharp looking armor and it takes time to work out the kinks.....

Rangers have more than one choice... While they are all bows, there are at least 4 different kinds of bows... All at different rates of fire... and all at different accuracy rates... also at different ranges.

No, what I mean is a different type of weapon. Ex. Crossbow.

Longbow, Shortbow.

hey they updated our pets! That's a lot of love where it counts!

Actually, Gaile plays a ranger and loves her toon to death.

The art for 15k druid is either not complete/up to Gaile's standards yet. Patience.

All swords (and such) are the same, only differing in appearance.
But there is a variety of bows within the bow class of weapons, with not only cosmetic differences, but also in refire rate, range and firing arc.

Everyone wants the updates that they want NOW. Patience please.

This is true, I was pleasantly surprised to see pets improved. Too bad they're still not any good for PvP.

They'll get all of the 15K armor eventually. Just wait a while.

they delay one week on delivering armor you and flip out. lol be patient its not that big a deal, its only cosmetic. And i wouldnt want to use a ranger with a cross bow. it wouldnt be .............rangerish lol

*edit for grammer (didnt make sense)

We do have another weapon, it's called a "Pet" ;-)
Besides, what would make a Crossbow any differant? We alread have Longbows to take care of Range and Short Bows to take care of Refire...

Come PvP me sometime. They are great for 4 vs 4 Arena. GvG and HoH isn't the end all, be all Arena (Although I have beat the HoH with my pet)

you just aren't trying hard enough i use my pet for pvp, he likes to eat monks best >:E

Crosswbows dont seem to fit as a ranger weapon. I just couldn't imagine my Ranger stood in his shiny new 15k druid with this lttle bit of wooden contraption.

maybe they haven't gotten around to updating the Druid armor, who knows...But they did offer infused armor for your pet...

Warriior didn't get their Gladiotor's set yet, either. Haven't heard too many whines...

To first poster:

Quit your whining... I have a ranger and you know what... who cares that they havn't updated the 15K armor yet? It takes time and money to pay people to do it... A.net have stated all 15K armor will be updated in due course...

You should probably read this:

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/content...ies-id1092.php

Saying that the casters choice of staff vs wand is a bigger variety than the Rangers selection of bows is silly to say the least.

? but my friend uses both the bow and the tribal blade and he is a ranger?
(he is waiting to get dual wield, then he will use 2 tribals and whoooa moma )

Here's one!

But my ranger characters (2) were also unhappy no new druids armor. But I have confidence they'll get to it...

<catchy jingle> "Anticipation..."

Doggone it..there they go again, totally screwing over 1 segment to appease the other segment.

I was just talking with my Mesmer friends the other day, and I said, "Where are your cool pets?" TO which they shrugged and said, "Ranger stole em!"
Bastids!
I'll trade you my cool tunic for a nice familiar pet - I'm thinking perhaps an owl or a toad? Let's trade!

Seriously however, Ranger love is coming - be patient. The game is almost brand new (release wise) and ANet has done more to fix inconsistencies and improve content in the past weeks than "other" (Read: SOE) has done in 5+ years.

Talesin

Here's the quote the OP is refering to. In NO way does it say that the Druids would be updated during any specific update. It's from June 1st.

Yep, keyword SEVERAL updates.

I hate it when rangers whine about them having it bad, Rangers are one of the best chars but in the hands of noobs they might not perform as well as one being used by a vet player. For me i always try to include a ranger in my GvGs and pvp.

Rangers are good.
I have one (though only in Northern Shiverpeaks)

Except for pets.
Pets suck (But look tight)

A Ranger is great at what Anet made it for, a supporting damage/interrupt/conditions player. I find it wholly immersing because I'd have to keep track of all goings on in almost any given fight to make sure the bad things are doing what they're supposed to be doing...dying. However, if the Ranger were *too* powerful, i.e. more direct damage, "better" conditions...then it'd take out the balance. Rangers don't have to go up close, but being at range puts us at an advantage in being one of the last to target, but first to damage.

I don't play PvP yet, but I usually do first tastes of damage before anyone else does...so the mob healer would be busy casting off poison or busy healing himself to keep up with what the Warriors and Elementalists or whomever else is doing the majority of direct damage. Yeah, run-on sentence!

There is one major problem with Rangers. People don't want us on teams, not because we aren't good, as I have had very nice Fissure and Underworld groups who said that without me, they would have been screwed, but because a lot of people are idiots, and happen to choose Ranger. So for every good Ranger that helps the group and does what they need to, there are ten whose thoughts don't go past "Look at my cool bow!"

Your opinion, buddy. Because you are only in the Northern Shiverpeaks, I'm also having trouble taking your opinion for much worth because there are very few pet skills that are any good at the point in the game you are at.

There is one major problem with rangers, but its not that people dont want them. Its that they seem to whine alot more than others. I agree the druid armor thing sucks, and Im not flaming you for bringing it up.

Im making an observation, look at these boards, rangers are mentioned at least three times as much as any other class. I like rangers, I think rangers rule...very good in pvp.

I do have something to say to that... Wow, get a grip, you're stupid...

Rangers, 1 weapon? Ha, were you born yesterday, or did you get smacked upside the head with a stick?

Rangers have traps, pets, and a bow... with a nice (nearly perfect primary attribute), which we all know as expertise (Comes with some magnificant skills too... unlike the poor necro primary skill, which gets nothing... although that's a different discussion.. (and for the record, soul reaping rules in gvg and tombs... havent tried it in pve much...)

There have been MANY MANY MANY entire threads complaining about the fact that Rangers are FORCED to use Marksmanship because Bows are the only weapon they can get, and those are only liked to Marksmanship. It limits the possible Ranger builds because your gimp yourself by not having 12 Marksmanship. No other class has this issue.

Ranger suck. They are good for pve, but pvp, they suck. They are only a threat if you ignore them too long.

you dont gimp youself one bit... were you hit by a stick?

Tell me how you gimp yourself... seriously...

As ranger being one of my favorite classes (because it rules so much), i don't understand how so many stupid kids can have such issues...

Such as talking about how other's have "different" weapon attributes... the ranger does too, and doesnt get gimped at all, and in fact, i guarentee you that my bow ranger using only expertise 8, wilderness survival 10, and beast mastery 13, would completely stomp many other rangers...

My dmg is simple, pet has bleeding dmg, i have poison dmg, and scavenger strike is helping quite a bit of dmg, not only that, but my pet has an aoe skill, called melandru's strike (sp off i bet), and i still have throw dirt, and troll unguent... tell me how i'm gimped with no marksmanship... cause i just proved you wrong.

Not to mention my pet still fights after i die... but, heck, i could go on forever about how great and many ranger builds i've made, and i never can find room for attributes in marksmanship (i normaly have maybe 1-2) since i normaly have 1 left over, and one minor rune... but heh... i should stop...

Ask any person on these boards that's partied with me if rangers suck.

It's the person behind the KB. And for the record, there are forum memebers who consistently amaze me with their prowess in all classes, so I know I'm not alone in feeling that it's skill, and not what's in his hands.

...umm...how about 35% damage? Is that gimped enough? That's before armor as well, so you can easily hit for 1, if no 0, damage with a max damage bow. That's pretty gimped considering that a Monk can do 11-20 with only healing attributes.

Go equip your Wilderness Survival bow and come back.

There are a lot of really bad players out there with really bad builds. Point in case.


That's an incredibly arrogent thing to say considering how false it is. If you take that Wilderness Survail (which is only getting your 8 dps under the circumstances) and switch it to Marksmanship you'd be doing far more damage. You'd lose Troll Ungent, which is a terrible PvP skill anyway, but you'd gain significant damage. If you can't do more than 8 DPS with a bow, even with the 84% damage you'd get at 10 Marks, you're doing something very wrong.


Pets are worthless without you to babysit them. Even with 13 Beast Mastery they'll die very quickly if you're not supporting, they'll do terrible damage with Call of Haste and pet attacks, and they'll stand by your corpse and watch enemies kill your monk 5 feet away from them.



If you're too good for Marksmanship then you need to change classes right quick. Personally, I'd use it even if they introcued Ranger weapons that don't require Marksmanship.

HOWEVER, my build isn't always what I want to use. I switch my build often to accomidate what Tombs teams want me to carry, which often means I need to shift more points to Wilderness Surival or Beast Master than I'd normally have. Since I end up with less than 12 Marksmanship sometimes (which means I'm not doing full damage), I wouldn't mind being able to switch out for a WS or BM bow. However, I can't, because Rangers just don't get that option.

All fights come down to what class you are and what moves you brought to the table not. No matter how good you are, a warrior who doesn't have a condition remover when fighting a ranger is going to go down quick. It doesn't matter how skilled you are, the right skills can take your build or any build out. So that's pretty null to mention what you can do.

Rangers suck because they are like the Bard from DnD. Like the Bard they are versatile, but do not specialize in anything so they suck compare to their counter parters. Rangers can be anti-casters, but the Mesmer can shutdown casters better than the Ranger. A ranger can do dps, but the warrior is better at it since he can be consistant with his attacks and the elementalist can do spike damage. Why would you need a ranger when just three of these characters can do it better.

I felt this way for a long long time. Most people will just say, "no they don't, you just suck!" However, a few people actually decided to show me what I was doing wrong and help me get it right. Once you know what you're doing as a Ranger you really are much more powerful than you think.

You bring spirits to the table, which are easily the Ranger's biggest asset. Spirits can totally eff the other team and give your team huge boosts if you and your team know what you're doing. Take the time to collect every spirit and know how they work. They'll be a big part of your job once you get to the Tombs.

The Arena is a bad judge because it's so circumstantial. Sometimes I walk in with Melandru's Arrows and wipe the floor with W/Mo's who are running enchantments. Other times I'll go in and get owned by Smiting Monks. You never know what you'll run in to and you can't counter everything. If you carry skills to counter more common builds, you'll probably be better off though. I reccomend Melandu's Arrows, since so many people run Enchantments, but you might prefer others.

Ranger has more weapons
-different bow types.
-pet

but if you look at it.
you always have the weapons of your sec. prof.
if you're warrior you could just use those...
or any other as long as you put attribute points in them.

Ranger is Ranger.. Ranger is not BowUser.
think bout it.
Ranger/Warrior -> use a sword for example.. and it's like you're a sword wielding nature animal lover or something similair.
Ranger/Necromancer -> Death magic, high expertise + pet.. lots of minions n a pet..

Ranger has more to it than just a bow, though most skills are linked to your bow yes. but don't complain it's your only choice and you're forced to.. cuz you're not.

besides.. if you don't like using a bow.. I mean you choose to be a ranger.. if you don't like playing with a bow you should've either thought oh I won't be using the bow skills just the rest.. to do similair things as I stated above.
If you choose a ranger but you don't like using a bow, and you don't want to use methods like stated above.. then you're just dumb for choosing one.
Go play something else if you want to get rid of that bow so badly.

They aren't forced to use Marksman because it isn't their only weapon.

Fact: Pet's have the same properties as every other weapon (Slashing, Piercing, Blunt)

Fact: If push space while targeting a foe, the pet will attack the enemy in the same way a hand weapon would.

Fact: Pet's have a weapon bracket just like hand weapons (Example: Elder Widow: 17-29 Damage). Their damage range and critical hit rate increases as you increase beastmastery, just as Weapons have requirements and have increased critical hit rate with more points invested in it.

Fact: Pet's have an attack speed, just as weapons do.

I tear shit up in PvP and PvE and I do not have 12 in Marksmanship. Mabey you should actually try something new instead of trying the same old tired and tested builds and you will see their is more builds than just shutdown rangers and barrage-bots? Beastmasters and Spirit Rangers are both highly underated at the moment.

You have either A) Never played with a good Ranger, B) Are new and never seen a spirit Ranger, C) Never played as Ranger, or D) Sucked at Ranger when you did play it.

Well, it's nice to know that people read entire posts before going, "Nuh-uh! You're totally stupid!"

Once I learned how to use it at least somewhat effectivly, I grew to like my bow. However, if I have to lower my Marksmanship to pump up an attribute my team needs more, then I'm punished for that in a way that no other class is.

As for pets as weapons: my bow doesn't take up 2 skill slots just to equip and I don't have to babysit it. My pet, on the other hand, takes up 2 skill slots (charm and comfort) just to equip, more to be useful, I have to constantly heal and buff it, it can't be upgraded, it won't give me health, mana, or armor the way that my bow will, I can't use preps on my pet, and my pet can not use any Armor Penetrating attacks.

So, if I have to spec Beast Mastery to carry 3 spirits for my team, I should be using that "weapon" INSTEAD of my bow? Hmmm....no. I think I'll just take my reduced damage and maybe babysit my pet if I have free slots.

You don't need a wilderness survival bow, it gives you traps, poison dmg, and survival skills (hence the name), you arent gimped out of much dmg, and in some cases, given more... really... you still havent passed grade school? Un-able to count?

Of course there are alot of bad players out there... but those arent the players i'm talking about... my pet interuption skills + my interuption skills = shutting out a ton of your skills, and for that fact, any "pure bow" rangers, just by me being able to spam my interuption skills (with my perfect expertise-- comes in like a charm)

If i switch from wilderness survival to marksmanship... i won't really change much dmg... since my dps can be placed on many characters (poison), and last for 24 seconds or so (On all my enemies, rather then just one target... and at the same time, my pet is attacking one target)... you're still stupid, and you have nothing to back your theories up... i have tested, and proven that you don't need marksmanship for full dmg output. If you have any skill, you'd understand what happens in a battle(Outside of the numbers that you see for direct damage... poor "newbies"*i dont like that term, but it is needed in some cases as horrible as this*) maybe if they showed pet dmg, i'd be able to show you my "Weapon X"-- pet ranger with massive dmg... winnowing + order of pain, boo ya!(Order of pain isnt as usefull for the person casting it, and it makes it more usefull as a team helpfull skill (or for your pet in those fun little 4v4's), (Mixing classes can be a plus)...

Or how about snaring the enemy, blinding them, and then setting traps around them? That's right... but sometimes a good snare takes a second class (Holy crap, you mean you can mix skills and make better characters? No way dude...!!) You morons that think rangers suck... Ever tried halls of hero's with poison/bleeding, and use epidemic (Oh yea... you can mix epidemic skill, and still have barrage... Wow, aoe effects and dmg!! (Oh wait, that's using marksmanship, and that's what we're trying to avoid here, so i won't talk about many more marksmanship skills).. (Very good for the massive numbers of people within a small area) just one small good mix...

Of course pets are near worthless without me alive... but it's still about 5-10 more dmg per hit then your dead ass... point in case moron. and if my allies res me (which should happen) i still dealt a reasonable (and very pathetic) dmg rate to the target. and sometimes people stop to target a pet after i die (Which gives other allies more time to res/kill other enemies--- another stradegy skill, hmm...)

I got into a group with 3 Rangers and a Warrior in Sarlecdec Sanitarium today with my Ranger.