"i need to go." *IDLE* --- annoying freeloaders

so i'm in a mission. 10 minutes into it one of our guys say "i need to go" and the group says "ok then". another 10 minutes go by and that person's name still haven't left the party list. so we ask "are you still there? can you help us?"-- no replies. so we continue on to finish the mission without that guy's help.

next mission area, new group. simillar thing happens. the idle person says "i have lag"; he doesn't move, he doesn't leave, and our party completes the quest without him.

next outpost. new group. traveling to another mission area. 5 minutes into the it and one guy says "i have to go pretty soon", so then i said "ok then, we'll go back to outpost and get another person", and he says "no keep going".

i then told him we need another person there to help us travel and we didn't want another dead weight. he then says "dont kick me or ill hack you". i then rushed my team back into town to dump him and got another person.

really. wtf.

these freeloaders need to stop. there's two more instances where this was about to happen to my team yet again, but by that time i was already well aware (and too angry) to let these guys have their way.

ANET, we need the vote kick system.

I vehemently disagree with the idea of a vote-kick system.

Any sort of vote kick system is open to being abused as much as used. If it's that bad, go back to town and start again.

Idiots, freeloaders and noobs are just as likely to want to boot someone as genuine players.

I admit I've done it too.

But ... I REALLY had to go (wife came home, baby was crying) and I had fought at least 70% through the mission, so I felt it was fair that I got my share of the reward.

Even though I agree that freeloaders suck, I also see the problems about a kick vote, as it can easily be abused. There might be other ways. GW could automatically track when somebody's idle/afk for a longer time and cut his XP reward accordingly.

I was a bit miffed the other day we had a rocking group going, and soon as we down this boss about 3/4 of the way though the other EL was gone ... luckly it wasn't a big problem, as we still managed to complete it without her.

Wish I had brough another capture signet, but I thought two would be enough ...

However, when I go though this mission again, to get the elite I missed, I'll stick it out.

Heh, i actually really had lag too, and all i cold do is stand in one place watching my text take 1+ minute to go through.

But yes, i agree some form of "remove dead-weight" from the party is needed, not only because of freeloading. Our team had this incident:

We were fighting our way to thirsty river, at one stage a member said "afk" , we didn't care we were only trying to zone into thirsty river. Somewhere we all died...except the "afk" sucker. Guess what happens? Yes, that is correct..NOTHING. We're all dead, we cant trigger a team-rez and the 'afk' person show no sign of returning and we were actually in front of the entrance, just had to make on more push....We had to restart the map...

How it must work, i dunno, people dont like the vote-kick effect , but a simple "idle-out after x minutes" would suffice in above scenario although wouldnt stop freeloaders. Heck even a "loose-group" effect if you are outside a certain radius of your group would work too [although would kill the profitable Lornars' Pass runs :P]

So there was the guy idling in the firstr dragons lair.
of course he died, and soon he left.
an then in the second dragons lair another ine idled, again some team died.

i left that sucking group pretty fast!

Some other guy's "instance split" suggestion post (the address of which I don't have ;p) seems like the perfect solution to a problem like this.

Mr. Freeloader comes back, looks around, discovers his teammates have moved to another instance and he's all alone in this one a few minutes later, and cries :P

And i vehemently disagree with the idea of doing all the work for someone too lazy to help and otherwisely nothing but deadweight.

Go kick while in mission!!

I agree that there needs to be a something like Vote-kick, but vote-kick can be abused.

There were a couple huge posts excatly like this one.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=23631
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=15509

Problem with the kick system is the abuse, imagine you have a "res plz" rusher that is party leader ... can you guess what will happen to the monk?

While i understand the argument, i can't seem to give it credit. Abuse is all around us. There is abuse in politics, abuse at car driving even abuse for cutting the toilet line. Must we stop the evil toilet lines because ppl might abuse it?

Well if its done, it must be unanimous. In the AFK instance, this would be justified. But if 2-6 people don't like someone just because they stink, the last character that actually has respect for human kind would defeat the kick.

I would agree that it should be a unanimous vote. It would be similar to skipping the cutscenes. If one person doesn't go for it, it doesn't happen. But if the possibility is there that a person/freeloader will get voted out of the group, that might go a long way towards punishing the exploiters.

That said, there are always going to be scammers/freeloaders/jerks in any game out there. Putting even a small measure of fear into them (as in the vote kick system) helps but won't eliminate the problem.

Hahahah I'm really thinking you where in my group, soooo close to the entrance but that one guy wouldn't die cause he afked in the beginning and things got hairy so we made a run for it. I was playing on the weekend saturday as Teclis.

From my experience with vote - kick systems, they don't work very well at all.
The reason for this IMO is that if someone initiates a vote, many people will vote yes without knowing the situation or not caring either way and wanting to get rid of the little vote box.

Given how closely this game requires teams to play, it's not a given that people don't know what's going on. From my experience, players are talking to one another when there's a problem with a player.

Maybe the originating player would be given a dialog box and fill in a reason for wanting to kick/ban the player?

Either way, players know what's going on with their team. Most people wouldn't vote 'yes' just because.

I've never had this problem until the other day with the Iron Mines of Moladine (not sure if I spelled that correctly), the guy that claimed to know the whole mission, I'm assuming so that he could get into our group, went afk about 25% of the way through. He didn't come back until we were about to fight Markis, when he noticed we were going to lose, he called us a bunch of nasty names and then left. He waited to leave until we all died.

I can only assume he was trying to get this mission done without helping at all, and when he noticed it wasn't going to happen, he got quite rude. He was our second warrior, there were many times where we needed him. This is also quite a long mission. In no way is it fair for us to continue with someone that is afk for so long.

Maybe if they create like a bubble around the mission group, if any player is out of that bubble for X minutes, then they get kicked automatically and replaced with a henchmen from that same profession. If it kicks my monk, I don't want Stefan showing up. This would then require someone who went afk to run back to the group in order to not be kicked. If you just only do kick idle players after X minutes, then you will have afkers that set a timer and wait just a little bit before that time goes off, then they quick move around or do whatever to get the timer to stop, and proceed to go afk again.

I wouldn't mind a vote kick option, but I know that in other games with it, it is very abused.

But something that goes along with this issue, please replace people with henchmen who quit mid-mission. During that mission that I spoke of, when we began fighting Markis, someone died almost right away, this person had died before, but looking at how the fighting was going, assumed we would not win and quit at that moment.

If he's the party leader and wants to suicide the entire party, then so be it. The pro's FAR outweigh the cons.

When every team member is almost required to fight so the mission can be completed, I don't think that people would vote 'yes' to just get rid of a window. If they do, then they don't deserve to be on a team anyway.