Fitting Room at the Armorer? (also, fun with dye previews)

ducktape

ducktape

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

W/R

I read through tons of the posts for game enhancement ideas (lots of good stuff!), and haven't really seen much of this topic...it's not a gameplay issue but it still seems like it would make a lot of people happy.

UPDATE: ANet has added a Dye Preview interface, and new dye colors. Yay! Thank you a million times over, ANet!!!

First: Armor Preview [The Fitting Room]
Wouldn't it be nice to be able to "try on" armor and see what it looks like before you go scavenge the crafting materials it requires and pay tons of money for it? Sure, you can get a very general idea of what a piece of armor would look like by checking out the larger icon that is displayed when you click on it at the crafting menu, but that doesn't tell you what it's going to look like on you. I know many of us would hate to buy a set of armor that looked cool in the armorer's crafting window and then have it turn out to look really hideous on our character. I know not everyone cares about what their character looks like, but many for many players, aesthetics are important. I can especially see it becoming more of an issue as expansions arrive and there are even more types of armor and customizations available.

Current Situation
I have read dozens of posts from people who have farmed their fingers off for an expensive set of armor and then can't stand the way their new armor looks and wish they bought a different set or even kept their old armor, anything to get away from the set they just bought. I've had that happen with non-uber pieces of armor, and even though it was only 700 gold apiece it still made me mad that I spent money on what turned out to be ugly armor. Regardless of how much money you have, imagine spending 75 platinum on a set of something that ...surprise!!... ends up not being what you expected it to look like. People spend their money on the 15k armor pieces and fissure armor as a status symbol, or to look different, so why not know what you're getting into before you click Buy?

The Suggestion:
Even if the Fitting Room character display was just a smaller, simple view of your character, like the view of your character and equipment that's on the Inventory screen right now, that would be a big help. Then you could see what new armor would look like and see how it works with your skin, any tattoos, your haircut, your hair color, your equipped weapon and shield, etc. Of course, this would only work for whatever items the armorer you are visiting has in stock, so if you are in Ascalon you can't try on the Dragon Armor there. Plus, since the items you try on are on the 2D inventory screen and not being put on the 3D model of your character that has to be drawn for everyone in town, it theoretically should not lag the server. I think more players would be excited about buying expensive armor if they knew exactly what it would look like on their character ahead of time and didn't have to worry about throwing their money away.

How to Keep Away the Lag [Fitting Room and Dye Preview]
Add the Fitting Room as a tab at the Armorer. Add the Dye Preview as a tab at the Dye Trader. Charge gold to access the Fitting Room or to play with the Dye Preview. If it's something we have to pay for, people won't go and play with it 40 times a day and lag the server.

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There is now a Dye Preview in the game, but I will leave my original Dye Preview section of the post here for reference.

Next: Dye Previews
Everyone loves dye. It helps you stand out or blend in. There's thousands of ways to wear it. Unfortunately, dye costs a lot. Even if you're only buying 1 vial of dye at a reasonable price (400 gold) it still costs 2 platinum to buy enough of that color of dye for your entire set of armor. Imagine buying expensive dye (1 platinum or more apiece), and having it not mix with another color as expected, or using expensive dye alone and not liking the way it looks on the armor you are wearing. Anger, man. Anger.

The Suggestion:
It would be infinitely helpful to have some sort of Dye Chart built into the game, and even more helpful to be able to use said Dye Chart to preview what an available color would look like on your current equipment. If the character model from the Inventory screen is used, and the color is not changed on the character model until you hit Preview, it should minimize lag. As an example, if you try to make a custom color for your desktop background in Windows, you can click an area on the color chart and drag the cursor around until you get the shade you're looking for; maybe there could be something similar with the in-game dye chart, but with the 4000 or so Guild Wars dye colors instead of 16000 available colors in Windows. If you drag the cursor around and find a nice color, you can Preview it and the dye chart could display it on the armor you select, and list how to create the color you chose. For example: [Current Selection is Blue 408 - Blue+Black,Silver]. Then you go buy all the dyes you need from the Dye trader and pay whatever the market price is. Just another way for players to efficiently spend their money.
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Interface Examples (screenshots)
Here is a picture of the Fitting Room idea. In the example, the warrior has just tried on the Ascalon Cuirass from the armorer.

Here is also a picture of the Dye Preview idea. In the example, our warrior pal likes purple and tried on shade purple 206. If he likes purple 206, it points out that he will need to mix Purple+Black and Purple+Blue to get it. (Note: please don't actually waste any dye doing that, I just used plain purple dye on the armor for the example)

crazy diamond

crazy diamond

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

Something similar to how you preview the guild cape before purchase could probably work nicely.

Myodato

Myodato

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

WOR

Mo/

I definitely second the fitting room suggestion.

I'm undecided on the dye thing, as I think that mixing dyes is something people have had some fun with, and that wouldn't benefit from being made less mysterious. On the other hand though, I have been annoyed more than once to discover that dying armour either dyed a different part than I expected or made little to no difference. To be honest though, only black and silver are expensive enough to be a real concern.

Calnaion Blackhawk

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

England , Wiltshire

[mB] Mental Block

E/

good ideas, i would like to see what certain armour looks like with certain dyes without the expensive smack in the face if it goes wrong

Thomasuwoo

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Australia

Savior Of Souls

W/E

I agree too. I have a post on the dyes here but i never thought about fitting rooms. That would be awsome. We'd also start to see alot more PvE cahracetrs in PvP. Looks do account for alot but it's just so risky trying to find a look that's right for you.

Kashrlyyk

Kashrlyyk

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

Very good idea! Especially when buying the 15k armors a preview would be great!

psykadelic224

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2005

waechter der ewigkeit (aka.guardians of eternity)

W/Mo

Yeah dude.... i could see if my ele was sexy in armor or not!

i used to spend ages to buy other armor just to see which looked the best >< and trust me it did my head in i wish for this fitting room too!

Dark Splitter

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

The Guild Keepers [TGK]

R/N

that would be a bit stupid if u think about it cuz sum n00b comes along trys on the best armor with a amazing dye and then takes a screeny and shows everybody the armor he has ¬_¬

johnnylange

johnnylange

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

USA/Near Chicago

The Divine Darkness <TDDG>

W/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Splitter
that would be a bit stupid if u think about it cuz sum n00b comes along trys on the best armor with a amazing dye and then takes a screeny and shows everybody the armor he has ¬_¬
Lol, would happen to be that "noob" that trys on the best armor and takes a screen shot of it?

These are great ideas. Right now, I can usually tell how new armor will look from seeing other players with it on, but having an armor and also a dye preview would be great, especially when future expansions come out.

Dark Splitter

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

The Guild Keepers [TGK]

R/N

lol ?????

Alzbeta

Alzbeta

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

South Carolina, USA

Order of the Silver Dragon [OSD]

R/E

Great idea, honestly -- and well-presented. I've made my current choices based on screens and guides I've found on the 'net, so luckily I haven't lost a great deal of gold... but I've also had to rely on caps of someone else's toon. It really would be nice to see it on my own char before shelling out so much money!

Thomasuwoo

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Australia

Savior Of Souls

W/E

What he is asking dark is what if a noob did do that? He has a picture of what he would look like further down the track. How is this relevant to the issue at hand?
I'm sad to see that this post has dissapered to the bottem of the forum again and beacuse of all the heated arguments that seem to generate in each post.
Could we get a bit more feedback on people's feelings on this matter?

IndyCC

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

Standing United (UNIT)

Only thing I would add would be to the dye preview in the armor to have maybe a dye mixing preview. I really wish I could test out dye mixed to the fourth level without buying all the dye first. I dont know however if that would make things too complicated.

LifeInfusion

LifeInfusion

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

in the midline

E/Mo

This is definitely a good suggestion.

Devts-Waver

Devts-Waver

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

USA, GA

Forgotten Legends

W/Mo

/signed

I had this idea a while back, and posted it on another forum. I'm glad others share my opinions!

DrSLUGFly

DrSLUGFly

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

European Server or International

I agree totally, except that we should be able to rotate our character model around since the armors look totally different in the back than the front...

noblepaladin

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

Part of the glamour of having the expensive 15k set is that most people haven't seen it before. If everybody tries it on in the changing room, it would take that excitement away. I was thinking maybe more of having to do something in order to be able to preview, such as a difficult quest, or maybe you can only preview if you have enough to buy.

nechronius

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Southern Cali

Herald of the Storm

W/R

Make the armor appear only in a separate little window like the inventory window. If you open your inventory you can see your toon and even rotate him around with different weapons and shields while he's in town.

Make the fitting room the same. Just a separate window that pops up that lets you "test" different items in this manner. No additional need to "program" a separate fitting room and no significant addition of network traffic.

I suppose that someone with enough photoshop sense could cut out the "fitting room" picture and superimpose it into the game so they could post a screenshot of what they allegedly look like, but it probably wouldn't look right unless they were pretty damn good with photo tools and frankly so what. Pretending that you have 15k armor will probably get a you a few "congrats" from several people you'd probably never run into online anyway.

Arctic Strike

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2005

Champions of Nissi

W/Mo

/signed

Armor viewing would be great. Also, I don't think it wouldn't take away the uniqueness of someone's armor because there are so many dyes combinations the can be used to create cool-looking armor.

Magus

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2005

/signed

I personally like to mix and match armor pieces (for certain professions), and I've had to get rid of 4 15K pieces in the past because they just didn't match the look I was going for. It really would be great to be able to know beforehand what you're paying for (since the whole point of the 15K armor is appearance); not being able to know is like not having the stats written for conventional armor and weapons. Plus they've done it already with guild capes, so I'm quite certain they can do it with armor.

ducktape

ducktape

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

W/R

Here is a picture of the Fitting Room idea. In the example, the warrior has just tried on the Ascalon Cuirass from the armorer.

A full-size and legible 8x10 picture is in the attachment

I would do one for the Dye Preview too but I don't have a color chart or gradient of all the dye colors there are so I can't

chilln_1ce

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

W/Me

/signed

yep great idea, if u cant afford the armor it should be greyed out so u cant preview it, otherwise great idea

none

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

good idea, absolutely for it (although I won't consider it top priority)

PieXags

PieXags

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

The Infinite Representation Of Pie And Its Many Brilliances

They should both happen but they should be done the way the guild emblemer shows you your cape while you're making it. No "room" you enter, just a little window to show you.

Elena

Elena

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Belgium

/signed

great idea will make 15K all that more wonderfull and offcourse only make the armour avaible at the armourer showable

Thomasuwoo

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Australia

Savior Of Souls

W/E

/signed
Just making my support offical

ducktape

ducktape

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

W/R

Quote:
Originally Posted by PieXags
They should both happen but they should be done the way the guild emblemer shows you your cape while you're making it. No "room" you enter, just a little window to show you.
look at the picture in the attachment, pie

crazy diamond

crazy diamond

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by ducktape
look at the picture in the attachment, pie
Should also try to read the very first reply in the thread.

ducktape

ducktape

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

W/R

I was merely pointing out that there is not a "room" that needs to be designed, just a new tab at the armorer. If you choose to utilize said tab it brings up the inventory menu, and shows the selected armor on your character there whenever you click View. So kind of like the guild cape design interface, which is just fine.

Sereng Amaranth

Sereng Amaranth

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Amazon Basin [AB]

/signed

Winterclaw

Winterclaw

Wark!!!

Join Date: May 2005

Florida

W/

/signed

Something like this is needed in the game. I surprised they overlooked something like this.

CharSol

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

/Signed

Could have saved myself a load of red dye on my mesmer armour when half of it still stays green after dying

Crom the Conqueror

Crom the Conqueror

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

New York

Rage Three D

W/E

Like the idea. I am for it.

Ipillo Wupwup

Ipillo Wupwup

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2005

Witman's Folly

Mo/Me

/signed

Great idea - in fact i just bought 3 kinds of ranger 1.5k armor a few days ago just to see which one looks best on him... Would've killed for a fitting room feature

Divinus

Divinus

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

Mississippi

I honestly always thought buying armor should allow you to customize it similar to when you craft a guild cape.

They should allow all the same logos and color patterns on armor. It'd be something simple, but effective. Would at least break up all the warriors wearing knights or plate mail Droknar armor. The Dye is nice, but a bit more customization would go a long way.

Drago Solaris

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

Order Of Dragania

R/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Splitter
that would be a bit stupid if u think about it cuz sum n00b comes along trys on the best armor with a amazing dye and then takes a screeny and shows everybody the armor he has ¬_¬

what if u could only preview armers that THAT armer is selling so u cant go to the first armerer in ascalon and preview the 15k stuff u hav to go to grotto or citadel to preview that armer...

apart from that its a good idea

/signed

ducktape

ducktape

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

W/R

I didn't consider that part, but I definitely agree that you should only be able to try on armor that is for sale from the armorer you are visiting.

Are there any good dye charts out there that I can look at? I've been wanting to make a screen mock-up for the dye preview but most of the stuff I find is people asking for dye charts, or dye charts that don't have very many colors on them. I found the one from Valareos, which is cool, but I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing any additional big dye charts like that before I go play in photoshop.

bebe

bebe

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

http://tinyurl.com/4g5ueb8

Put the peanut in the peanut hole!

/signed

i really like these two ideas along with guild cape previews.

Mavrik

Mavrik

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

Alaska

that would totally rule!

/signed

Aniewiel

Aniewiel

Smite Mistress

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Land of AZ, USA

Rt/E

Absolutely the best idea I've read in awhile and seemingly VERY simple to encode into the game.

And, frankly, there are enough people running around in 15k armor. There's no real surprise anymore. You can either see thousands running around IG or you can go to the Screenshot Exposition forum and see the 15k armor in all its glory.