Hey i was thinking that it would be really nice to see the katana get its counter part the iron sheath i think it would give the truest "samuari" look we could get in the world of guildwars this wepon set katana as sword and sheath as shields with a set of Legionnaire armor hopefully the 15k set will have a nice devil samuari look to it.
well tell me what you think
Katana and sheath
Prefectus
KvanCetre
No. For the love of god we are not samurais and ninjas.
Prefectus
With a asain style game play we should be able to get a look of a samuari
Dr Strangelove
arcanemacabre
Well, despite the lack of punctuation in the OP's post, I think it's a novel idea. They did have paper fans, which could add a little something to that classic look. I think it would be neat to have an off-hand similar to Grim Cestas - as in something that looks like a gauntlet. More things like that to enhance the look of armor instead of having to rely on an off-hand item look.
A sheath might end up being a little to cliche', but it could be done right.
BTW: Why can't we be ninjas and samurai? As the OP said, Factions is asian-themed, ninja and samurai are asian-themed, seems like a case of Peanut-Butter and Jelly to me. Besides, the Assassin looks pretty ninja-esque to me, give Warriors a chance to be all samurai.
A sheath might end up being a little to cliche', but it could be done right.
BTW: Why can't we be ninjas and samurai? As the OP said, Factions is asian-themed, ninja and samurai are asian-themed, seems like a case of Peanut-Butter and Jelly to me. Besides, the Assassin looks pretty ninja-esque to me, give Warriors a chance to be all samurai.
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No. For the love of god we are not samurais and ninjas.
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No. For the love of god we are not samurais and ninjas.
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But still...Make a samurai armor...not the upgrade of some other armor...
I would rather have a spacesuit. (not realistically)
S H I N O B I
Totally agree...
I think adding the ability to sheath your wep either on your side or back (like WoW) or better yet, HAVE a sheath already VISIBLE whether or not you're holding your wep will make a GREAT addition to Guildwars factions... Though some people do not like to associate GW's warrior and assassin class as being able to be "samurai and ninja" respectively, I'm sure there is an equal or even GREATER number of people who do. This speculation is backed by the MULTITUDES of assassin and warrior (mainly assassin) characters I saw during the FPE event that had names ranging from ones remotely referencing themeselves with the theme, to full ninja/samurai-esque names like Sasuke, Hanzo, Kakashi, Musashi, etc...
I'd also like to propose Anet to also offer Warriors with a "Samurai-esque" armor, similar to what we see on Canthan Guards and some Canthan Generals, in addition to the current armor available... In reference to Assassins, I'd like to see a more "ninja-esque" armor (i/e full hooded masks, baggy ninja pajamas, fish-net undergarments, etc...) added as a different alternative to the Bondage convention type armor they currently have....
And to counter KvanCetre's reply:
You're right. We are not samurai or ninja. But for the love of God nethier are we Knights or into S&M (well maybe some of us are ;p)...
I think adding the ability to sheath your wep either on your side or back (like WoW) or better yet, HAVE a sheath already VISIBLE whether or not you're holding your wep will make a GREAT addition to Guildwars factions... Though some people do not like to associate GW's warrior and assassin class as being able to be "samurai and ninja" respectively, I'm sure there is an equal or even GREATER number of people who do. This speculation is backed by the MULTITUDES of assassin and warrior (mainly assassin) characters I saw during the FPE event that had names ranging from ones remotely referencing themeselves with the theme, to full ninja/samurai-esque names like Sasuke, Hanzo, Kakashi, Musashi, etc...
I'd also like to propose Anet to also offer Warriors with a "Samurai-esque" armor, similar to what we see on Canthan Guards and some Canthan Generals, in addition to the current armor available... In reference to Assassins, I'd like to see a more "ninja-esque" armor (i/e full hooded masks, baggy ninja pajamas, fish-net undergarments, etc...) added as a different alternative to the Bondage convention type armor they currently have....
And to counter KvanCetre's reply:
You're right. We are not samurai or ninja. But for the love of God nethier are we Knights or into S&M (well maybe some of us are ;p)...
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You're right. We are not samurai or ninja. But for the love of God nethier are we Knights or into S&M (well maybe some of us are ;p)... |
And of course, anyone who used their brain would know I was referring to in-game, not real life.
As for the rest of your post... your name is SHINOBI(Originality ftw) and you have a picture of a ninja in your avatar. I haven't read it yet, but I bet you stated that you believe the game would somehow be be enhanced by including samurai and ninja clothing and incorporating other Japanese culture(BECAUSE ALL WE CARE ABOUT IN ASIA IS JAPAN!) items that are the wetdreams of 15 year old anime fanboys.
I don't like to be a jerk, but I'm so sick and tired of these types of debates.
ALL NINJAS ARE NOT ASSASSINS
ALL ASSASSINS ARE NOT NINJAS
JAPAN IS NOT THE ONLY ASIAN COUNTRY
"But K'van, its asiaaaaan themed, we should have the armor of great samurais and ninjas ^_^_^_^"
So why are you leaving out the great fighters of all asian nations? Because you're looking to be a cookie-cutter japanese style fanboy with no regard for game originality.
They made an assassin, not a ninja. Deal with it. If you want to be a ninja go play another game. Theres PLENTY of them out there already.
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They made an assassin, not a ninja. Deal with it. If you want to be a ninja go play another game. Theres PLENTY of them out there already.
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Besides, the Assassin looks pretty ninja-esque to me, give Warriors a chance to be all samurai.
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Looks nothing like
except they cover their faces.
What about the rest of the classes, why should they be left out?
Why shouldn't the warrior get a chance to dress like a Chinese or Korean warrior? Why is the only time anything is mentioned when something is asian themed it has to be Ninja and Samurai?
OMG I WANT TO BE LU BU LIKE IN DYNASTY WARRIORS ^_^
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They also made Katanas readily available as a drop. Originality? Puh-lease.
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You're right, thus why they are not in the game either.
And of course, anyone who used their brain would know I was referring to in-game, not real life. As for the rest of your post... your name is SHINOBI(Originality ftw) and you have a picture of a ninja in your avatar. I haven't read it yet, but I bet you stated that you believe the game would somehow be be enhanced by including samurai and ninja clothing and incorporating other Japanese culture(BECAUSE ALL WE CARE ABOUT IN ASIA IS JAPAN!) items that are the wetdreams of 15 year old anime fanboys. I don't like to be a jerk, but I'm so sick and tired of these types of debates. ALL NINJAS ARE NOT ASSASSINS ALL ASSASSINS ARE NOT NINJAS JAPAN IS NOT THE ONLY ASIAN COUNTRY "But K'van, its asiaaaaan themed, we should have the armor of great samurais and ninjas ^_^_^_^" So why are you leaving out the great fighters of all asian nations? Because you're looking to be a cookie-cutter japanese style fanboy with no regard for game originality. They made an assassin, not a ninja. Deal with it. If you want to be a ninja go play another game. Theres PLENTY of them out there already. |
Warriors have an armor called "KNIGHT'S ARMOR and PLATEMAIL ARMOR" that clearly screams out KNIGHT. Yet you say they are not in the game. I'm NOT asking Anet to change the assassins name to NINJA nor am I saying that Warriors should be called SAMRUAI.
For your information, Samurai and ninja are cookie cutter themes for a reason. They appeal to alot of people and in my opinion they are on the same level as knights in terms of popularity.
It's pretty stereotypical of you to assume that I am a 15 yr old anime fanboy and that I want Cantha to STRICTLY be JAPANESE. As you may have not read on my post, I am asking Anet to ADD those themes on the characters, not put them "IN PLACE" of the current themes used. I am not against adding other themed armor as well, be it chinese, thai, etc... Though they are not as POPULAR as the cookie cutter Samurai, ninja, knight, gladiator, etc, Anet is more than welcome to add other culturally diverse themes to the Warrior and Assassin classes along with Samurai and Ninja. Nowhere in my post did I say that they should EXCLUSIVELY be Samurai/Ninja. I suggest to try reading my posts completely first before jumping in on the Japanese culture hating bandwagon and sound like a jerk in front of the whole GW guru crowd.
Game originality? Assassins and Warriors are pretty much in EVERY SINGLE ONLINE RPG MADE. THEY'RE EVERYWHERE... Where's the originality in that? IMO their originality is based more on their gameplay, not their armor. Tell me 1 MMORPG BESIDES FFXI where one can play as a NINJA class. I'll go play that.
Yes my SN IS "S H I N O B I" and it is not original because it is a word frequently used by ninja themed shows and games which I find entertaining. I don't feel I need to comprimise what I like for the sake of being "original". Do you?
KvanCetre
I don't hate the Japanese Culture - I hate the fanboys who try to put the Japanese culture into everything and anything simply because "ZOMG ITS JAPANESE"
I never said that I assumed you wanted Japanese culture to replace everything in Guild Wars, I said that I'm tired of people assuming "Asian" meant "Japanese".
As for originality, personally, how can you call me stereotypical(wrong word in the first place) for assuming you were the stereotypical 15 year old fanboy when you use a name like Shinobi? Typed in all caps... spaced out.
I never said that I assumed you wanted Japanese culture to replace everything in Guild Wars, I said that I'm tired of people assuming "Asian" meant "Japanese".
As for originality, personally, how can you call me stereotypical(wrong word in the first place) for assuming you were the stereotypical 15 year old fanboy when you use a name like Shinobi? Typed in all caps... spaced out.
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I don't hate the Japanese Culture - I hate the fanboys who try to put the Japanese culture into everything and anything simply because "ZOMG ITS JAPANESE"
I never said that I assumed you wanted Japanese culture to replace everything in Guild Wars, I said that I'm tired of people assuming "Asian" meant "Japanese". As for originality, personally, how can you call me stereotypical(wrong word in the first place) for assuming you were the stereotypical 15 year old fanboy when you use a name like Shinobi? Typed in all caps... spaced out. |
you are STEREOTYPING me as a 15 yr old fan boy based on my comment of adding a popular class like Samurai or Ninja to the game as well as having an "unoriginal" Screen name. I believe I used the word in the correct context.
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As for the rest of your post... your name is SHINOBI(Originality ftw) and you have a picture of a ninja in your avatar. I haven't read it yet, but I bet you stated that you believe the game would somehow be be enhanced by including samurai and ninja clothing and incorporating other Japanese culture(BECAUSE ALL WE CARE ABOUT IN ASIA IS JAPAN!) items that are the wetdreams of 15 year old anime fanboys.
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I guess its safe for me to assume that you are a 12 yr old troll who flames everyone that dissagrees with your opinions because you ignored to read the rest of the post I made based on my screen name which has no bearing my maturity level.
BTW - just because your are "tired" of fanboys assuming Asian means "Japanese" doesn't justify your reckless assumptions of me being one of the fanboys you love to hate... (or secretly love, wutever floats your boat)... Though it might be safe to act like this on the internet (since as we all know too well, when posting on the internet, the first things that comes flying out the door are intelligence and maturity...), you might want to be wary of how you act based on your assumptions when it comes to real life. You might hurt yourself.
With that said, I would like to stay on topic regarding GW including sheaths as I feel it is a great idea to be implemented, along with the suggestions I made on one of my posts further up on the thread.
KvanCetre
No, you can't "stereotype" someone. You can assume they are like a stereotype, however.
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Yes, I am a 12 year old troll whos secretly in love with you. You have discovered my secret. Plz marry me kthx we can have an asian themed wedding with lots of japanese cuisine ^_^ plz write bak my ninja hero
PS
Yes, I am a 12 year old troll whos secretly in love with you. You have discovered my secret. Plz marry me kthx we can have an asian themed wedding with lots of japanese cuisine ^_^ plz write bak my ninja hero
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No, you can't "stereotype" someone. You can assume they are like a stereotype, however
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"stereotyping - An oversimplified perception or conception especially of persons, social groups, etc. "
Stereotyping used in a sentence: "Stereotyping is a risky, offensive, and non-productive exercise. Ethnic jokes may be humorous, but are built on a foundation of misinformation and bias."
You are labeling me as a stereotype. In short, you are STEREOTYPING me.
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Yes, I am a 12 year old troll whos secretly in love with you. You have discovered my secret. Plz marry me kthx we can have an asian themed wedding with lots of japanese cuisine ^_^ plz write bak my ninja hero |
Lets get back on topic shall we? ^.^
KvanCetre
YES MY NINJA OVERLORD YOU HAVE DEFEATED ME!
...you know, by disagreeing. And me realizing that ninja fanboys will be ninja fanboys and arguing with them is pointless because they're blinded by love of those men in black.
I always love that online "OMG I WON BECAUSE YOU STOPPED FIGHTING" mantra. Especially when, even though there was no victory, they get on a high horse and taunt you. Its kinda like losing in random and still calling the other team a noob - they have no idea how to respond because its just so silly.
GG
BACK ON TOPIC - the idea is dumb.
...you know, by disagreeing. And me realizing that ninja fanboys will be ninja fanboys and arguing with them is pointless because they're blinded by love of those men in black.
I always love that online "OMG I WON BECAUSE YOU STOPPED FIGHTING" mantra. Especially when, even though there was no victory, they get on a high horse and taunt you. Its kinda like losing in random and still calling the other team a noob - they have no idea how to respond because its just so silly.
GG
BACK ON TOPIC - the idea is dumb.
Goats17
I have an idea, some type of Sheath as a focus? Makes the sword gripped with 2 hands, but ascts the same. maybe adds def. or +Swordsmanship?
S H I N O B I
Hehehe, sarcastic and stereotypical till the end huh? Again... Sucks to be you.
GG
Getting back on topic: I think maybe giving the characters a different animation style when wielding weps such as Katana and the like would also be a nice addition, along with the use of sheaths.... I doubt Anet would implement this at such a late stage though....
BTW - that "sheath as a focus" off hand item suggestion is a great idea. I'll /sign for that...
GG
Getting back on topic: I think maybe giving the characters a different animation style when wielding weps such as Katana and the like would also be a nice addition, along with the use of sheaths.... I doubt Anet would implement this at such a late stage though....
BTW - that "sheath as a focus" off hand item suggestion is a great idea. I'll /sign for that...
Weezer_Blue
If we're going to be accurate, then they should just remove Katana's from the game until they add the correct fighting style - which I might add wouldn't all for shield use.
S H I N O B I
Good point. Looks kinda weird when you're wielding a Katana in one hand, and holding a Big a$$ shield in another ;p Then again one can always opt NOT to hold a shield (at his/her expense) or use another off hand item on the other hand....
Still... the current sword swinging style would still be there though so It might continue to look weird nevertheless...
Still... the current sword swinging style would still be there though so It might continue to look weird nevertheless...
Lampshade
If you want to sheath your weapon, just switch to an empty weapon slot.
S H I N O B I
Well, that's a viable option too... but wouldn't it be cool if you can actually still see your sword sheathed, than just seeing it dissappear? (on the other hand, having a weapon magically dissappear would also seem kinda cool too ;p)
Nevin
Bleh, I'm sick of seeing the flame wars over Ninja and Samurai.. Even though its completely valid and the netspeaking leeters still think its too kidy.
I'll add my opinion...
WARRIOR - Generic fighter guy....
ASSASSIN - Generic sneaky guy...
Warriors have armors which represent different forms of warriors..
Gladiators - Gladiator
Ascalon - Barbarian
Knight/Platemail - Knight
Assassins have armors which represent different forms off bondage. /Sarcasm (This excludes the 20/20 blindess and weakness armor, which is the only decent looking one. http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/1834/untitled4cq.png ). They need armors to represent the different styles of assassins such as an Arabic theme, Ninja theme, and Medavial Thief theme. If anyone responds to this with Assassins aren't Ninjas, don't; its a drowned out excuse.
Sorry to necro the flame war but... The only MMORPG with an actual class called Ninja is Final Fantasy XII, thus the concept is far from cliche.
Anywho. If Katanas were two handed, there'd be a new two handed wielding class; But sheaths in general would be a fine add on.
I'll add my opinion...
WARRIOR - Generic fighter guy....
ASSASSIN - Generic sneaky guy...
Warriors have armors which represent different forms of warriors..
Gladiators - Gladiator
Ascalon - Barbarian
Knight/Platemail - Knight
Assassins have armors which represent different forms off bondage. /Sarcasm (This excludes the 20/20 blindess and weakness armor, which is the only decent looking one. http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/1834/untitled4cq.png ). They need armors to represent the different styles of assassins such as an Arabic theme, Ninja theme, and Medavial Thief theme. If anyone responds to this with Assassins aren't Ninjas, don't; its a drowned out excuse.
Sorry to necro the flame war but... The only MMORPG with an actual class called Ninja is Final Fantasy XII, thus the concept is far from cliche.
Anywho. If Katanas were two handed, there'd be a new two handed wielding class; But sheaths in general would be a fine add on.
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I skimmed through all the replies, and I do think that the Assassin is suppose to be a Ninja without coming out and calling it a Ninja. Perhaps a Samurai class could be made to specifically cover the whole Samurai look, without making a new set of armor just to back the Warrior look like a Samurai.
- Beorn Trollslayer
- Beorn Trollslayer
hidden_agenda
This argument seems premature. How do we know that there are no samurai armor in Factions? Has anyone here seen ALL the possible armors? I dare say not. We've, at the most, seen the stuff from the preview weekend. I seriously doubt Anet would have showed us all the possible armors at the preview.
(Also keep in mind that Anet does add bits and pieces of content...)
So perhaps there is samurai and ninja stuff. Who knows?
As for katana, I think the off-hand counter part would more likely be vambrace (armored sleeve) than sheath. There should also be paired wazikashi for the assassin. Both of these are actual styles.
Finally, while I am aware of many other asian weapons, the Japanese stuff is more popular in the US (Japan and US has one of those love-hate relationships, I think)...
BTW, I believe that the ball-hammer is an actual Chinese weapon. The Anet version might be actually derived from middle age maces, but there actually is a two-handed ball-hammer in Chinese history.
Similarly, the tribal blade, while possible derived from middle easter falchion, is known as "dao" in Chinese -- an extremely common infantry weapon.
(Also keep in mind that Anet does add bits and pieces of content...)
So perhaps there is samurai and ninja stuff. Who knows?
As for katana, I think the off-hand counter part would more likely be vambrace (armored sleeve) than sheath. There should also be paired wazikashi for the assassin. Both of these are actual styles.
Finally, while I am aware of many other asian weapons, the Japanese stuff is more popular in the US (Japan and US has one of those love-hate relationships, I think)...
BTW, I believe that the ball-hammer is an actual Chinese weapon. The Anet version might be actually derived from middle age maces, but there actually is a two-handed ball-hammer in Chinese history.
Similarly, the tribal blade, while possible derived from middle easter falchion, is known as "dao" in Chinese -- an extremely common infantry weapon.
{IceFire}
samurais are basically japanese knights in different clothes....
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Similarly, the tribal blade, while possible derived from middle easter falchion, is known as "dao" in Chinese -- an extremely common infantry weapon.
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I agree with hidden_agenda... you can't really say that there ISN'T samurai armor in the game yet... And it seems perfectly reasonable to include it. Guess we'll just have to wait until Factions comes out to find out?
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Yes... I myself had my character at the FPE event equipped at one time with a purple 15-22 "Dadao sword" which indeed looked similar the current "Tribal Blade" in use for the prophecies campaign (any explanation for the extra "Da" at the front?)...
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"shou" means small.
Common usage:
"da-dao" means a single edged sword similar in shape to the tribal blade
"shou-dao" means a similar shape but dagger like blade (somewhat like a bowie).
be forewarned, my pinyin (ability to spell the chinese pronounciation with english alphabet) seriously SUCKS so take all my pin-yin spelling with a ton of salt...
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No, you can't "stereotype" someone. You can assume they are like a stereotype, however.
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The falchion is a european backsword derived from the german langmesser, fashioned after a rough farming utility blade. ~lelele~
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ok i know i cant spell 
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Google ftw.
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I never said that I assumed you wanted Japanese culture to replace everything in Guild Wars, I said that I'm tired of people assuming "Asian" meant "Japanese".
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Yes, it sucks. Yes, it's stupid.
Yes, keep fighting against these idiotic generalizations.
Kudos.
Skarjak
Actually, considering the Japanese have had much of a "warrior spirit" in history, it is perfectly normal for their warriors to be so well known to other cultures.
You can't expect everyone to know everything these is to know about every country on the map. I bet there are tons of things you dont know about Quebec, but you don't see me bitching about it.
You can't expect everyone to know everything these is to know about every country on the map. I bet there are tons of things you dont know about Quebec, but you don't see me bitching about it.
Darkpower Alchemist
Stop the bickering.Samurai armor and ninja garments are cool for the Cantha setting. Warrior classes in every civilization wore their weapons to display their status to others.Having sheathed weapons in towns and outposts would be a good addition to the world's appeal to the reality/fantasy setting. Realisticly,a sword with no form of sheath is unheard of. This goes for either game world setting. This is a solid point of contention.Where do our weapons go? Back in the full bags in every town we enter? Thin air? The guards at the gates of every town holds them for us? And the shields? What of them? They could be on our backs,captain america like,with the sword(or wand/rod) tucked snug between our shoulder blades
. Just a point to think of. Are weapons can't just vanish!
. Just a point to think of. Are weapons can't just vanish!
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Stop the bickering.Samurai armor and ninja garments are cool for the Cantha setting. Warrior classes in every civilization wore their weapons to display their status to others.Having sheathed weapons in towns and outposts would be a good addition to the world's appeal to the reality/fantasy setting. Realisticly,a sword with no form of sheath is unheard of. This goes for either game world setting. This is a solid point of contention.Where do our weapons go? Back in the full bags in every town we enter? Thin air? The guards at the gates of every town holds them for us? And the shields? What of them? They could be on our backs,captain america like,with the sword(or wand/rod) tucked snug between our shoulder blades
. Just a point to think of. Are weapons can't just vanish! |