Low req = high price why?
krusader
Why is it that a req 8 gold weapon is worth such a huge ammount more than a req 12? The people that can afford such weapons will surely have their skills at 11/12 at least - so why pay so much more for a req 8 weapon?
Cymboric Treewalker
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Originally Posted by krusader
Why is it that a req 8 gold weapon is worth such a huge ammount more than a req 12? The people that can afford such weapons will surely have their skills at 11/12 at least - so why pay so much more for a req 8 weapon?
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DeathDealer
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Originally Posted by krusader
Why is it that a req 8 gold weapon is worth such a huge ammount more than a req 12? The people that can afford such weapons will surely have their skills at 11/12 at least - so why pay so much more for a req 8 weapon?
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Valerius
and the title should read... low req = high price :P (thread title edited by Dralspire)
but yeah... it allows flexibility when making builds and it also adds to the value of the weapon... as finding a low req perfectly modded weapon is rare
but yeah... it allows flexibility when making builds and it also adds to the value of the weapon... as finding a low req perfectly modded weapon is rare
krusader
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mrbb
If I have a req 7 sword I can put more into strength or some other attribute when I design certain builds.
Murder In China
Reach a low requirement on a weapon won't give you 100% of the stated damage on the weapon. Only but having 12 in the weapon's mastery will allow you get the stated damage on the damage.
The low requirement is just rare and gives collectors something to buy.
The low requirement is just rare and gives collectors something to buy.
Cherno
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Originally Posted by krusader
The people that can afford such weapons will surely have their skills at 11/12 at least
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Lower req gives you the ability to meet the requirement of your weapon (or hoffhand) and still spread out points across other areas to make their skills more potent.
I also belive I read that once you meet the req on a weapon that you have 100% chance to do the minimum damage amount shown (not taking armor into account of course). Then for every point above the req, you take that 100% chance higher up through the weapons dmg range. I thought I read that on one of the guides or wiki or somewhere. So by having a lower req, when you put more points into that attribute you increase your minimum dmg potential, where a high requ doesn't give you as much.
With req 8 you now have potentially 8 more levels to put points into whereas req 12 only allows for potentially 4 more.
Thallandor
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Originally Posted by Murder In China
Reach a low requirement on a weapon won't give you 100% of the stated damage on the weapon. Only but having 12 in the weapon's mastery will allow you get the stated damage on the damage.
The low requirement is just rare and gives collectors something to buy. |
on a seperate note, low req gold items tend to have better mods/bonuses which is why they tend to sell for more than a high req one of the same skin unided.
seran
Sir Skullcrasher
Low req with perfect mods are highly valued because users can put the points into other skills. With high req with perfect mods, it still might have a good selling price but not compare to the same swords/axes/staffs/bows as the low req.
I usually get items that is either high or low req with different type of mods. That way, i can experiment around with my character builds.
I usually get items that is either high or low req with different type of mods. That way, i can experiment around with my character builds.
Ugly_Jim
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Originally Posted by sir skulkcrasher
Low req with perfect mods are highly valued because users can put the points into other skills. With high req with perfect mods, it still might have a good selling price but not compare to the same swords/axes/staffs/bows as the low req.
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SilentAssassin
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Originally Posted by Cymboric Treewalker
Flexibility.
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Jessyi
Why do people pay 200K more for a weapon that's req. 8 instead of req. 10 is beyond me. For me, req 8 and 10 are the same because I always use 10/10/11 point distribution. Even using a weapon on a secondary profession will still work that way (though I don't advocate it). I tend to think using a req. 8 weapon (unless it's a wand or staff) at the minimum req so you can get the flexibility of putting the additional points elsewhere will result in a very weak build. On top of that, it's been mentioned/proven that req. 12 yeilds 100% weapon damage with diminishing returns on +%dmg bonuses beyond level 12.
I think the prevailing theory as to why people spend infinity billion dollars on a nearly (if not in fact totally) pointless req reduction on a weapon is because these people have way too much money.
-Jessyi
I think the prevailing theory as to why people spend infinity billion dollars on a nearly (if not in fact totally) pointless req reduction on a weapon is because these people have way too much money.
-Jessyi
Lampshade
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I always use 10/10/11 point distribution.
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wolfblade1
When im tanking on my warrior i normally use 10 swordmanship 10 strength 14 tactics (all minor runes and ascalon tactics helm), i sometimes use 9 sword 11 str 14 tacts, if i had a req 7 sword i could use 7 sword 12 str 14 tacts.
Keg/gear/book holder tanks should be using the least weapon attrib they can because after they get to hold the item they will only be using strength for doylak sig and tactics for stances. These would be lower if they needed 12 in swordmanship to get their sword to work.
Keg/gear/book holder tanks should be using the least weapon attrib they can because after they get to hold the item they will only be using strength for doylak sig and tactics for stances. These would be lower if they needed 12 in swordmanship to get their sword to work.
Sir Skullcrasher
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Originally Posted by Ugly_Jim
You don't need to meet the req on a staff or wand to use the mods on it. It's just for the damage.
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lagrand1
My ranger has a gold req 5 marksmanship bow. He can have max points in wilderness survival and expertise, and still use the bow for max effect. A great trapping weapon. Even though it isn't max damage, it is worth more than many bows that are.
wolfblade1
thats the dmg and bonus on this bow?
Rancour
Sir Skulkcrasher: Yes, you deal less damage because damage is dependant on your attributes; mods are not. Having an Insightful +5 energy mod on a staff will ALWAYS give you the 5 energy, not matter your attributes. But it won't deal much damage if you don't have any points in the corresponding attribute.
Jessyi
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I guess you're right. I included my opinion. My bad. Even without that line included, the rest is true. I've never seen a build used that was effective in either PvP or PvE that used very low attributes in WEAPONS - weapons used to cause damage...(ie. read: "swords, axes, hammers, bows"). I have seen low reqs in other skill lines used effectively, sure, but in weapon-centric builds I can't imagine they'd be much good when you...uh...haven't mastered your weapon.
-Jessyi
Inureface
Retardability (if its even a word =p). There was a thread a while back that pointed out that with weapons like swords hammers bows etc, req shouldn't matter beyond 11 because you aren't going to do much damage with 8 axe mastery or whatever, alot of your damage comes from your attributes as well, so req is really not important unless its 12 or 13, which are a bit high. With foci, low req is understandable but with weapons, its pointless, just a money sink.
Former Ruling
It has NOTHING to do with Flexibility of builds lol. Thats the poor excuse people try to tack on to make it seem so logical to new people.
Simple market concept. Lower Req. is harder to find (atleast on decent weapons) = Higher in price.
Same reason theres thousands of dollars gap between 19% longer enchants and 20% longer, even though rounding off makes them basically do the same thing.
Simple market concept. Lower Req. is harder to find (atleast on decent weapons) = Higher in price.
Same reason theres thousands of dollars gap between 19% longer enchants and 20% longer, even though rounding off makes them basically do the same thing.
pigdestroyer
yup, low req on warrior weapons = not necessary
wolfblade1
it is to do with flexibility, while stance tanking, i use 10 10 and 14 in tactics. i couldnt do that with a req12 sword i would have to lower one of the others to stop myself doing 1-2 dmg
pigdestroyer
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Originally Posted by wolfblade1
it is to do with flexibility, while stance tanking, i use 10 10 and 14 in tactics. i couldnt do that with a req12 sword i would have to lower one of the others to stop myself doing 1-2 dmg
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Str0b0
The ability to use the weapon at a lower level. A lot of the people pimping these weapons can also afford to get run to Droks and get good armor form the outset of the game. Of course they will want a nifty weapon too but alas low level means few attribute points. So they look for max damage low requirement pimp weapons to swing about with reckless abandon.
wolfblade1
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Originally Posted by pigdestroyer
when Im stance tanking 90% of the time I have something on my hands, and if Im not holding something at the moment I change my helmet for one with +1 +3 for the weapon desired
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M I D G E T S
I buy req 13s :P Pretty weird coming from a guy with fow armor <_<
Mandy Memory
People buy them because they are morons with money (MwM for short)
Same reason people buy special skinned items, 15k armor, FoW armor, or gold items.
Same reason people buy special skinned items, 15k armor, FoW armor, or gold items.
Lowly Peasant
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Originally Posted by Mandy Memory
People buy them because they are morons with money (MwM for short)
Same reason people buy special skinned items, 15k armor, FoW armor, or gold items. |
SilentAssassin
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Originally Posted by Mandy Memory
People buy them because they are morons with money (MwM for short)
Same reason people buy special skinned items, 15k armor, FoW armor, or gold items. |
so if ppl like to spend money into 15k armours because you want to look nice, they are morons in your eyes ??
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aB-
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Originally Posted by Mandy Memory
People buy them because they are morons with money (MwM for short)
Same reason people buy special skinned items, 15k armor, FoW armor, or gold items. |
Don Zardeone
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Originally Posted by aB-
Where would you suggest people spend their money?
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Some builds (like some farming builds) require you to have high stats in attributes like healing, tactis, strength etc... Weapons don't matter in some of those builds. Some people like to bring a weapon anyway but they won't have many points left to spend on their weapon attribute.
Sometimes they'll only be able to have an 8 or a 9 in their weapon so they'll need a req 8 or 9 weap to be able to do some "decent" damage.
What many seem to forget is that you can easily buy those weapons from the weapontraders in droks (req9).
They're ugly and only req9. After a while, some players get too rich and they'll need to spend their money on something. They'll spend it on cool looking things.
This means that someone will dish out millions for a req8 crystalline sword or whatever.
This isn't scamming in any way though. The rich people buy exotic stuff. This exotic stuff is similar to the normal stuff but it's just a bit more shiny.
You could compare it with a pen.
Example: Joey has a pen, he uses it to write letters.
Lord Blathazar has a pen too, it's a gold one with diamonds on it. He uses it to write letters.
The function is the exact same, the price is different.
So eh, it's just bling -_-
axe
Its rarity, same reason why people pay tons for a crystaline, serpent, or dwarven with a crappy damage mod and dont customize it. They arent using these weapons in their builds they are just carrying them around as a status symbol.
At least with req 7 weapons you can switch att. points around and get better damage than a starter sword. But any junk weapon that is customized will probably pwn a req 7 weapon.
At least with req 7 weapons you can switch att. points around and get better damage than a starter sword. But any junk weapon that is customized will probably pwn a req 7 weapon.
Dead Phlox
15k armor doesn't even look that different...
quickmonty
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Originally Posted by Dead Phlox
15k armor doesn't even look that different...
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Kali Ma
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Game Mechanics - A Treatise on Combat Mathematics
According to this article, the only way one is going to hit within the damage range listed on any weapon is if one has the stat for that weapon set to 12. A player who uses a req 8 weapon and leaves the stat at 8 is going to hit with only 70.7% of what the weapon is capable of.
Cade
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Originally Posted by Lampshade
Well others don't. Some people PvP, or don't use your setup.
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But I still dont see the point of a low req if it still does 100% damage at level 12.
Cottage Pie
low req has two possible advantages in my eyes...
For a newb character you're making, you don't want to sup rune them, so a req 7/8 sword (where as game default for max is req 9) would be a good choice. For a level 20 warrior to have their weapon attribute at 7 is retarded however, literally. your attack skills will blow and you'll be dealing godawful damage. You will simply be a terrible warrior.
another advantage (now no longer) is that low req weapons had 100% effectiveness at stated req AND bonus damage per level above that, which WOULD have made them very valuable (I used to have a req 7 gladius when this was the case, pwnage)...this is no longer the case, and damage is dependant on weapon attrib (assuming you meet weapon req)
It's possible req 7 is useful for a secondary proffesion weilding, however the high price is NOT dicatated by this.
Unfortunately this mentality of low req = worth more is ingrained into players, when I showed my 20/19 healing rod to someone at their request, they said, meh, the req is too high. it's req 12 divine favour. I'm a monk. and the casting bonuses are not related to the req, the damage is. and i'm a monk so im not gonna be attacking (yeah, the HoD swords req is too high...). I explained all of this, but they had none of it.
Their is a reason to buy FoW armour (stylish looks), there is no benefit of using a weapon whose req is so low you'd never think about putting your attribs at that level.
It's just 'rarer'. And only you will know, which makes it pretty masterbatory, imho.
For a newb character you're making, you don't want to sup rune them, so a req 7/8 sword (where as game default for max is req 9) would be a good choice. For a level 20 warrior to have their weapon attribute at 7 is retarded however, literally. your attack skills will blow and you'll be dealing godawful damage. You will simply be a terrible warrior.
another advantage (now no longer) is that low req weapons had 100% effectiveness at stated req AND bonus damage per level above that, which WOULD have made them very valuable (I used to have a req 7 gladius when this was the case, pwnage)...this is no longer the case, and damage is dependant on weapon attrib (assuming you meet weapon req)
It's possible req 7 is useful for a secondary proffesion weilding, however the high price is NOT dicatated by this.
Unfortunately this mentality of low req = worth more is ingrained into players, when I showed my 20/19 healing rod to someone at their request, they said, meh, the req is too high. it's req 12 divine favour. I'm a monk. and the casting bonuses are not related to the req, the damage is. and i'm a monk so im not gonna be attacking (yeah, the HoD swords req is too high...). I explained all of this, but they had none of it.
Their is a reason to buy FoW armour (stylish looks), there is no benefit of using a weapon whose req is so low you'd never think about putting your attribs at that level.
It's just 'rarer'. And only you will know, which makes it pretty masterbatory, imho.