PVE World Championships?
dansamy
Can't we close this since a) it's a stupid idea and b) it's been brought up before and failed to garner much support?
Eden2k5
Way back in Alpha there was an interview and Jeff Strain said the current top guilds would have their guild flags brandished in towns.. We sure as hell don't have that and that was AGES ago. And there was supposed to be a town crier and all that.
Supposevly in factions there is some kind of PvE ranking for Elite Missions (look under the faq). Im not sure if it's a PvP/PvE mix. Also I was hoping before the release of GW:P they would of had a PvE Gladitorial arena, where you fight increasingly harder waves of random mobs (to elimiate pre-mediation) To the point where it is almost impossible at very high levels, and rankings are kept by waves/challenges passed.. Something like that, no drops - just a score of some sort. Gives PvE'ers something else besides running and questing the same crap.
Supposevly in factions there is some kind of PvE ranking for Elite Missions (look under the faq). Im not sure if it's a PvP/PvE mix. Also I was hoping before the release of GW:P they would of had a PvE Gladitorial arena, where you fight increasingly harder waves of random mobs (to elimiate pre-mediation) To the point where it is almost impossible at very high levels, and rankings are kept by waves/challenges passed.. Something like that, no drops - just a score of some sort. Gives PvE'ers something else besides running and questing the same crap.
UltimaXtreme
wow that guy needs to sell me his account for 100k+10 ectos so i can make a warrior.
Dougal Kronik
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Can't we close this since a) it's a stupid idea and b) it's been brought up before and failed to garner much support?
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The others have ideas or humor! Always worth a read.
vaxmor
The biggest problem of the PvE GWWC is. . .the PvP GWWC. Compared to the PvP GWWC, the PvE GWWC is going to look like a bunch of farmers and carebears looking to spl0it the AI.
blocparty
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Originally Posted by shezbian
IMO, getting FOW armor is harder than rank 12.
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people with r12: a handful
pvp is definitely a bigger challenge, besides whens the last time youve seen green letters come across your screen saying:
_____________ has received a Glob of Ectoplasm in the Underworld and is one step closer to Fissure Armor!
Oh... and without active pvpers you couldnt go get your fissure armor kkthxbye
Don Zardeone
PvE
Player vs Environment
Guilds can do PvE, there are full PvE guilds out there.
What do PvP players care about?
Afaik: who wins, how he wins and the rewards you get from winning.
PvE:
I see that they care a lot about style. On one side you have the dark evil warlords and on the other side the holy paladins of the silver steel...
They care about money too. Items.
How do you turn that into a competition?
Fashion show!
Ok seriously. They also care about their builds and they try to make builds that fit the situation.
Do it like this:
Let them stay in their guild hall and make them protect their guild lord against a random mob of enemy monsters... Lets say... a weird breed of titans, liches and Gwens.
In a championship, several guilds could be fighting the same mobs in their own guildhall. Allow them to resurrect archers, footmen and bodyguards.
You could play stronghold O.o
You could even make them fight eachother.
Both teams get 30 titans... eh that would be PvP again...
My vote goes for: It's possible but tricky
Player vs Environment
Guilds can do PvE, there are full PvE guilds out there.
What do PvP players care about?
Afaik: who wins, how he wins and the rewards you get from winning.
PvE:
I see that they care a lot about style. On one side you have the dark evil warlords and on the other side the holy paladins of the silver steel...
They care about money too. Items.
How do you turn that into a competition?
Fashion show!
Ok seriously. They also care about their builds and they try to make builds that fit the situation.
Do it like this:
Let them stay in their guild hall and make them protect their guild lord against a random mob of enemy monsters... Lets say... a weird breed of titans, liches and Gwens.
In a championship, several guilds could be fighting the same mobs in their own guildhall. Allow them to resurrect archers, footmen and bodyguards.
You could play stronghold O.o
You could even make them fight eachother.
Both teams get 30 titans... eh that would be PvP again...
My vote goes for: It's possible but tricky
Rustjive
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PvP.
Mandy Memory
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Dougall, if everything is unpredictable, it's a lot like another playmode -
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dansamy
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Not worth a rebuttal as there are no points brought up. Probably didn't even read any of the posts.
The others have ideas or humor! Always worth a read. |
vaxmor
No matter how you structured the PvE GWWC, it would always be the ugly little brother to the real GGWC - the PvP GWWC. Why?
Top flight GW PvP human IQ >> GW AI
Top flight GW PvP human IQ >> GW AI
Dougal Kronik
Thanks Don Zardeone,at least you brought something to the table and not just a one sentence dismissal.
The unpredictability lies not in the AI but in the limited access to an area. A start time, stop time, and a common seed of mobs that each team will meet.
I do not understand how you could actually think that you would be able to farm this area. Example: You find out that Factions has an area like the UW that no one has been to. This area is available to any Ascended characters , but you can only be there for 1 hour. You get 1 chance at entering. You can have a party of 8 enter this area.
What will your party consist of and what will the builds be?
Just post what you can come up with? (If you can
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The unpredictability lies not in the AI but in the limited access to an area. A start time, stop time, and a common seed of mobs that each team will meet.
I do not understand how you could actually think that you would be able to farm this area. Example: You find out that Factions has an area like the UW that no one has been to. This area is available to any Ascended characters , but you can only be there for 1 hour. You get 1 chance at entering. You can have a party of 8 enter this area.
What will your party consist of and what will the builds be?
Just post what you can come up with? (If you can
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darkdragon99
from what i've seen of this threads tells me it's basicly a flame nest what i don't get is y it's still here
Pi_Numurian
pretty easy to do if you have the right party
Dougal Kronik
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pretty easy to do if you have the right party
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Aki Soyokaze
Honestly I don't see why people say PvE'ers need some sort of separate or unique way in which to be glorified or put in the spotlight. The idea of running through a gauntlet of enemies while being timed seems a little too much; especially considering how PvE'ers collect gold, rare items, dye, etc. and get to craft/collect unique armor that PvP'ers cannot get. Drops are your reward for being good at or just simply doing PvE.
I don't think that these are bad ideas since the game modes suggested are found in other games and can be rather fun; but considering all the 'perks' that PvE'ers already get more focus should be placed on broadening the PvP side of the game.
I don't think that these are bad ideas since the game modes suggested are found in other games and can be rather fun; but considering all the 'perks' that PvE'ers already get more focus should be placed on broadening the PvP side of the game.
Dougal Kronik
Honestly, I don't do a lot of PvP (as if you couldn't tell ).
They should broaden the PvP side - that I don't doubt. Some in my guild are into PvP and if they find enjoyment in that aspect of the game, then that is great!
But present ideas and options on what you would like to see and maybe how to implement you vision.
But, you have to admit - recognition and something visible to other players of your stature is something that all players would strive for. I like the trim the winners of the GWWC get on their capes.
That kind of idea.
). They should broaden the PvP side - that I don't doubt. Some in my guild are into PvP and if they find enjoyment in that aspect of the game, then that is great!
But present ideas and options on what you would like to see and maybe how to implement you vision.
But, you have to admit - recognition and something visible to other players of your stature is something that all players would strive for. I like the trim the winners of the GWWC get on their capes.
That kind of idea.
Mandy Memory
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Honestly, I don't do a lot of PvP (as if you couldn't tell
). They should broaden the PvP side - that I don't doubt. Some in my guild are into PvP and if they find enjoyment in that aspect of the game, then that is great! But present ideas and options on what you would like to see and maybe how to implement you vision. But, you have to admit - recognition and something visible to other players of your stature is something that all players would strive for. I like the trim the winners of the GWWC get on their capes. That kind of idea. |
Zui
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I do not understand how you could actually think that you would be able to farm this area. Example: You find out that Factions has an area like the UW that no one has been to. This area is available to any Ascended characters , but you can only be there for 1 hour. You get 1 chance at entering. You can have a party of 8 enter this area.
What will your party consist of and what will the builds be? Just post what you can come up with? (If you can ) (If you can ) |
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But, you have to admit - recognition and something visible to other players of your stature is something that all players would strive for. I like the trim the winners of the GWWC get on their capes.
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blocparty
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Example: You find out that Factions has an area like the UW that no one has been to. This area is available to any Ascended characters , but you can only be there for 1 hour. You get 1 chance at entering. You can have a party of 8 enter this area.
What will your party consist of and what will the builds be? Just post what you can come up with? (If you can ) |
hrmm...
-triple sb mo/me that has two sets of armor... since this IS pve; if it can tank successfully in this area then it stays 55, but if its facing a large amount of "blood necro" or shatters/e-denial that it cannot handle with the sb's, it will switch armor and become a semi-utility monk
-echo ss/sv nec since thats the rage these days
-w/rt that deals damage and can tank with some sexy ashes; in the case that the 55 idea falls through
-all purpose fire nuker =) (yes you can still use fire)
-2 monks: one boon prot; one woh/hp/infuse/seed or mebe healing hands in the place of
-Ranger for interrupts and neat little spirits (eoe perhaps for that special pve minion factory that anet installed) or broadhead arrows/practiced stance since we're talking bout factions
-Finally, the lovely and versatile mesmer.... just so avarre wont s h i t himself; shatter hex ftw, empathy ftw, cry of frustration (for that necro spike that anet also installed), shatter enchant, inspired hex.. you know the good stuff
-or switch out one of the characters for a ritualist; dunno dont have much experience with rt
-oh and as for the "factions"/"prophecies" only skills, lets assume that the character is carried over from prophecies
thats what i would do... but im just a noob who tries to play both pve and pvp =(
Aki Soyokaze
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Honestly, I don't do a lot of PvP (as if you couldn't tell
). They should broaden the PvP side - that I don't doubt. Some in my guild are into PvP and if they find enjoyment in that aspect of the game, then that is great! But present ideas and options on what you would like to see and maybe how to implement you vision. But, you have to admit - recognition and something visible to other players of your stature is something that all players would strive for. I like the trim the winners of the GWWC get on their capes. That kind of idea. |
I think that side of the Guild/Guild Hall needs some more work, considering that the vast majority of guilds out there don't utilize their guild hall.
JR
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Example: You find out that Factions has an area like the UW that no one has been to. This area is available to any Ascended characters , but you can only be there for 1 hour. You get 1 chance at entering. You can have a party of 8 enter this area.
What will your party consist of and what will the builds be? Just post what you can come up with? (If you can ) |
Or a couple of days later doing it with EvIL; despite the language barrier we cleared it in just under 35 minutes from start to finish.
The sad fact is (and I am seriously struggling not to sound like an arrogant elitist pig here) PvP players are in general better at PvE than most PvE players. If you make a PvE competitive event then by nature PvP players will take part, because they are then competing against other players; it becomes PvP.
I realise how controversial this post is, but I hope it is not taken the wrong way.
quickmonty
What JR said sums it up well.
PvP players (and not all are arrogant elitist pigs .... j/k) are more serious players. PvE players are more casual players. Generalization, but true most of the time.
PvP players (and not all are arrogant elitist pigs .... j/k) are more serious players. PvE players are more casual players. Generalization, but true most of the time.
makosi
PvP and PvE are incomparable. PvP is for the ZOMG PWNZORZ and PvE is for the ZOMG PWNZORZ + everyone else. And, btw, how can you justify: "PvP players are in general better at PvE than most PvE players." ?? Rank calculates your PvP ability (controvesrially) - how is your PvE ability calculated?
The Real Roy Keane
I still can't believe so many people took the OP seriously. Someone renew my faith in humanity, quick!
Dougal Kronik
Thank you blocparty - that's the kind of spirit I was looking for. An honest attempt at what could be instituded into a PvE Championship environment.
Also, Aki Soyokaze, that's a nice twist - have an event focus around the defense of your Guild Hall. And the ladder aspect - it's not a PvE Championship - but I would certainly participate with my Guild.
From JR-
Is that with no previous information from others who had gone in and saw what kind of mobs you would face?
I have no problems with PvP players participating because they play the game as well. They would of course have to have a PvE character that is at least lvl 20 with the two 15 Attribute quests done, Ascended, and probably finished the game for the Elite skills from the Ring of Fire missions. That means they have probably done quite a bit of PvE as well. They are truly balanced players!
But the PvP competition, as you stated it would be because it is a competition, would be against a standard - not each other. Like and timed or measured solo/team athletic event - like Luge, Bobsled, Diving, Decathlon etc.
Also, Aki Soyokaze, that's a nice twist - have an event focus around the defense of your Guild Hall. And the ladder aspect - it's not a PvE Championship - but I would certainly participate with my Guild.
From JR-
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I have no problems with PvP players participating because they play the game as well. They would of course have to have a PvE character that is at least lvl 20 with the two 15 Attribute quests done, Ascended, and probably finished the game for the Elite skills from the Ring of Fire missions. That means they have probably done quite a bit of PvE as well. They are truly balanced players!
But the PvP competition, as you stated it would be because it is a competition, would be against a standard - not each other. Like and timed or measured solo/team athletic event - like Luge, Bobsled, Diving, Decathlon etc.
JR
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PvP and PvE are incomparable. PvP is for the ZOMG PWNZORZ and PvE is for the ZOMG PWNZORZ + everyone else. And, btw, how can you justify: "PvP players are in general better at PvE than most PvE players." ?? Rank calculates your PvP ability (controvesrially) - how is your PvE ability calculated?
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The simple truth is that to excell in PvP you do need a fair amount of skill, to excell in PvE you only need a fairly mediocre amount of common sense. The reasons have been covered again and again in this thread; PvE is repetetive, fighting the same monsters with the same skills and same habits.
PvP players are generally PvE players who got bored, and needed to move onto something more challenging. Either that or people who come from a background of competitive games, and jumped straight into it (despite the unlocks grind and learning curve).
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I have no problems with PvP players participating because they play the game as well. They would of course have to have a PvE character that is at least lvl 20 with the two 15 Attribute quests done, Ascended, and probably finished the game for the Elite skills from the Ring of Fire missions. That means they have probably done quite a bit of PvE as well. They are truly balanced players!
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Is that with no previous information from others who had gone in and saw what kind of mobs you would face?
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Dougal Kronik
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Nope. It was pure luck that our Warrior was W/E not W/Mo, considering our monks were both entirely enchantment based.
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Mandy Memory
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Probably the same thing I did when they converted Tombs to PvE; grab three people and head in. On the first day it was out, the first run I had taken we went in with two GvG style Boon Prots, a Griffon farmer W/E build and an SS necro with 4 skills on his bar. We cleared it from start to finish in under 2 hours.
Or a couple of days later doing it with EvIL; despite the language barrier we cleared it in just under 35 minutes from start to finish. The sad fact is (and I am seriously struggling not to sound like an arrogant elitist pig here) PvP players are in general better at PvE than most PvE players. If you make a PvE competitive event then by nature PvP players will take part, because they are then competing against other players; it becomes PvP. I realise how controversial this post is, but I hope it is not taken the wrong way. |
SpeedyKQ
This idea for a combined PVP/PVE arena full of monsters with teams that must have one of each profession is decent. Sounds kind of fun.
The idea that PVE deserves a world championship as much as PVP does is stupid.
The idea that PVE deserves a world championship as much as PVP does is stupid.
Str0b0
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ersonaly i dont think it's fair that the pvp champ's can do an all famos chapionship while the pve-ers can only sit at the side and watch the thing they cant do.
here is what i taught of, could have some isuses but you can point that out. area of battle: this area will have a ladder of monsters, there are 3 portals you have too go true: 1) monsters in lvl 15 till 18, all of them are warriors, hunters and healers. the goal here is too clear the whole area. 2) monsters of lvl 18 till 24, this has a mix of warriors, mesmers and healers, there is 1 boss of lvl 26 with ele power and armor 120. 3) monsters of lvl 24 till 27, now all provessions are here, the names dont say there profession so be on your tail here. bog boss) here is an boss of lvl 30, it has an armor 180 and can use of every provession a skill, 2 of them are faction skills. time limit?: no, time limit cant be in it since pve is a time consuming game, time will only make you rush and your mission will be a failure quick. team formation: this must be a bit diviculd so the team will have a max of 6 ppl, there are sertan rules when you make a team. 1)when you leave a team, you cant get in a team for the next 1 hour. 2)if someone leaves the moral boost will go 2% higher than normal max, meaning that when you have 10% moral boost your moral boost can go to 12% 3)you must be lvl 20, even if you are not you will not suvive even a minute. 4)every team must have atleast 1x of each profession. 5)your team will be regitered in the database in Anet so making a whole diverent team will only get you from point 1, keaping the same team makes your team get higher in the top 100. 6)too track each other, you will have an yellow ! so you know who is in your team and who not. but what about a draw betwean 2 teams?: already taucht of. instead of doing this everytime untill one of them makes a mistake, there is then an arena that is full of monsters. the teams cant attack each other, the monsters have an unequal amont so if there are(for example) are 49 mosters, one of them neadt too have more than the other team. great, how to enter?: when you made your perfect team and started the mission, your team will be reg. automaticly. when you made a team and fighted it 3x already, you will have the chance to name your team so a voting of who will win will be easyer and Anet can then track that team a bit easyer. any crits, addings? IMO PVE is harder killing lvl 30 bosses and stuff |
Dougal Kronik
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You want a chance to win some real world swag for your hours spent in playing.
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I, personally, would be happy with some in game kind of recognition - like {WC} after my guild for winning a PvE Championship.
Str0b0
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Nowhere in his post did he mention winning real world swag!
I, personally, would be happy with some in game kind of recognition - like {WC} after my guild for winning a PvE Championship. |
Zhou Feng
They should make PvE more dynamic, more challenging then. "Oh that X map... right *yawn* all I need to bring is this and this and presto... *yawn*" No rush no sense of danger once you know the X maps enemies because of its staticness. BUT make it more dynamic, more unpredicatble and let the mobs have secondary professions within them and a more better AI then they already have and things in PvE will be more interesting "Sheat!!! Dude where the hell did those mobs get that?! RUNNNNN!"
As for AI in mobs they just need Temper, Mind and Heart to deal with how they act to a certain suggestion. Make some monsters dumb and berserker types, some shrewd and cunning who will preferably keep distance, some who are calm and will try to counter players as best their skills allow... Im sure its possible we have some uber AI in games today whereas the Computer acts quite sneaky and cunning (Played Feral Instincts or Metroid Prime Hunters lately?)
As for AI in mobs they just need Temper, Mind and Heart to deal with how they act to a certain suggestion. Make some monsters dumb and berserker types, some shrewd and cunning who will preferably keep distance, some who are calm and will try to counter players as best their skills allow... Im sure its possible we have some uber AI in games today whereas the Computer acts quite sneaky and cunning (Played Feral Instincts or Metroid Prime Hunters lately?)
Draeco_Smash
Ok so whats been stated???
How can u Predict or Presume that a PvE Championship would be a "Farm War"
Farming...
First farming exist because yes our standard PvE environment does not change "often"... however THE CHAMPIONSHIPS WOULD NOT BE OUR STANDARD PvE ENVIRONMENT,
What is being stated here is to use NEW maps with progressively harder missions to complete...
Ultimately, you would be able to change your SKILLS in between missions but not change ur GROUP BUILD. So what you start with is what your stuck with... (theres your unpredictability) Each mission, is a different map with different foes who use different skills. And no one is saying that the objectives wouldn't be changing as well...
You can argue the differences between PvE and PvP till you turn blue in the face and your eyes bleed. THAT IS NOT WHAT THIS IS!!!
Call it a PvE test, where you get one shot your build either rocks the board, or too bad so sad... thanks for trying. Much like "but not the same" as your standard run at halls. I don't want an equivalent of the PvP Champs, I want a new one unique to PvE.
Because yes, PvE does loose its flavour once you learn the boards and the monsters within them."Predictable" But the thrill received when smashing through missions or boards on your first run, especially in competition against other guilds... don't tell thats lame or uniteresting, cuz if you do, ur just not man (or) woman enough to throw ur nuts out on the table and see if you measure up...
My 2 cents, "Fire at will!"
How can u Predict or Presume that a PvE Championship would be a "Farm War"
Farming...
First farming exist because yes our standard PvE environment does not change "often"... however THE CHAMPIONSHIPS WOULD NOT BE OUR STANDARD PvE ENVIRONMENT,
What is being stated here is to use NEW maps with progressively harder missions to complete...
Ultimately, you would be able to change your SKILLS in between missions but not change ur GROUP BUILD. So what you start with is what your stuck with... (theres your unpredictability) Each mission, is a different map with different foes who use different skills. And no one is saying that the objectives wouldn't be changing as well...
You can argue the differences between PvE and PvP till you turn blue in the face and your eyes bleed. THAT IS NOT WHAT THIS IS!!!
Call it a PvE test, where you get one shot your build either rocks the board, or too bad so sad... thanks for trying. Much like "but not the same" as your standard run at halls. I don't want an equivalent of the PvP Champs, I want a new one unique to PvE.
Because yes, PvE does loose its flavour once you learn the boards and the monsters within them."Predictable" But the thrill received when smashing through missions or boards on your first run, especially in competition against other guilds... don't tell thats lame or uniteresting, cuz if you do, ur just not man (or) woman enough to throw ur nuts out on the table and see if you measure up...
My 2 cents, "Fire at will!"
Viruzzz
there are 2 things that fundamentally seperates PvP from PvE and makes PvP alot harder, and more skill intensive than PvE
1) everything in PvE is static, there might be a few occasions where multiple bosses can spawn at the same place, or where a spawn might or might not be there on that particular time running through the area. but that is all the diversity you will ever get in PvE, in PvP on the other hand all you know for sure is that you will be fighting other players. you have no idea what they are bringing, no idea how good they are, no idea how to counter them beforehand, and most importantly you wont know if your tactics works against them before you have played against them, and if it doesn't, will a change in tactics work? can you pull the change off before you are completely vaporised?
2) energy management, imo THE most important thing in PVP right now, there is just so much energy-denial going on in the PvP currently, in PvE, you run in, click whatever skills you want, kill everything, and wait 5 minutes to get rid of your halfway exhausted energybar.
Ever see players spamming their energy when playing PvE? when someone accidently brings another group of monsters into the fight, they don't have any type of energy management, except for ther natural energy regen.
in PvP people use alternate weapon sets to "hide" energy, and use skills in order to get energy, like Mantra of Recall, a very popular skill right now.
PvP is just way harder to be good at than PvE, you have to have some sort of skill to play in PvP, in PvE you just need to know how things usually are, and you can get by just fine.
1) everything in PvE is static, there might be a few occasions where multiple bosses can spawn at the same place, or where a spawn might or might not be there on that particular time running through the area. but that is all the diversity you will ever get in PvE, in PvP on the other hand all you know for sure is that you will be fighting other players. you have no idea what they are bringing, no idea how good they are, no idea how to counter them beforehand, and most importantly you wont know if your tactics works against them before you have played against them, and if it doesn't, will a change in tactics work? can you pull the change off before you are completely vaporised?
2) energy management, imo THE most important thing in PVP right now, there is just so much energy-denial going on in the PvP currently, in PvE, you run in, click whatever skills you want, kill everything, and wait 5 minutes to get rid of your halfway exhausted energybar.
Ever see players spamming their energy when playing PvE? when someone accidently brings another group of monsters into the fight, they don't have any type of energy management, except for ther natural energy regen.
in PvP people use alternate weapon sets to "hide" energy, and use skills in order to get energy, like Mantra of Recall, a very popular skill right now.
PvP is just way harder to be good at than PvE, you have to have some sort of skill to play in PvP, in PvE you just need to know how things usually are, and you can get by just fine.
Symeon
This idea is not a flame nest, unless people want to make it so. If all you can say are one or two dismissive sentences followed by leaving the thread, there is no point in your posting. Keep to constructive discussion, whether you support, detest or don't feel either way on this.
Dougal Kronik
Some of the rules before I go into the specifics.
Rules
The event will begin at 0600 PST on a Saturday morning. At 0530 PST players will be able to access the PvE Championship Event by two methods:
Mission Procedure
There would be a total of 10 Missions tied together into a storyline. These missions will get progressively more difficult. The maps would not be linear - therefore increasing the probability of parties taking the wrong path because they did not heed the Mission instructions at the beginning. The instances would have the same spawns for each party. The exact same amount of potential experience. The standard experience values for Mission/Bonus completion would apply. Each mission would have a two hour window and should take around 45 to 60 minutes to complete.
At the end of the event:
Result
The winning team would have a coloured crown (or something similar) awarded to each player. Like the Wintersday Hats. That they could wear in Towns as a measure of their stature and prowess. Also every member of the team should also get a T-Shirt or Jacket.
They could use this PvE format as a preview to upcoming chapters of Guild Wars. Use this PvE Championship format as the weekend event to the missions and storyline. Have other areas to explore for those players who decide not to enter the Championship or get eliminated part of the way through.
Rules
- Can be any number of players in a party up to 8.
- Once you enter with the party, that party is fixed for the duration of the event.
- In between missions players will be able to adjust their skills and access their storage.
- In between missions players will have access to Merchants and all Traders.
- Players will not be able to change characters between missions.
- Players will not be able to change secondary professions between misssions.
- Party rosters can be reduced but not replaced or increased.
- Each player will have a Progress Counter to keep track of event advancement.
- Each player will have a separate Death Counter to keep track of deaths during event. The deaths during the event will increase your regular death counter.
- Each player will have separate Experience Counter to keep track of experience earned during event. The experience earned during the event will increase your regular experience progression.
The event will begin at 0600 PST on a Saturday morning. At 0530 PST players will be able to access the PvE Championship Event by two methods:
- Access the Ship Travel from Tyria or Cantha to travel to the island City where the event will take place. Then form a party.
- Form a party and party travel via the Ship Travel.
Mission Procedure
- On entering the mission all members of the party have their Progress Counter incremented by one at the beginning.
- The Party will be told in a cutscene or Mission popup what they will be required to do to successfully accomplish the mission. They will also be told of what the bonus for the mission will be.
- The party will have no access to a User Map. Similar to the Catacombs/UW/FoW.
- If all members of the party die, the party will return to the City they entered the mission from.
- If the party is successful in accomplishing the mission they will proceed to the next city, and prepare for the following mission.
- Experience and deaths will be recorded for each party.
- At 0800 all parties still in the mission will be returned to the City they entered the mission from.
- All successful parties will have 1 hour to prepare for the next mission in the new City.
There would be a total of 10 Missions tied together into a storyline. These missions will get progressively more difficult. The maps would not be linear - therefore increasing the probability of parties taking the wrong path because they did not heed the Mission instructions at the beginning. The instances would have the same spawns for each party. The exact same amount of potential experience. The standard experience values for Mission/Bonus completion would apply. Each mission would have a two hour window and should take around 45 to 60 minutes to complete.
At the end of the event:
- The most Missions completed would be the winner.
- If any ties then Bonuses completed would decide.
- If still any ties then least party Deaths incurred would decide.
- If still any ties then total party experience gained would decide.
- If still any ties then least amount of total time spent in Missions would decide.
Result
The winning team would have a coloured crown (or something similar) awarded to each player. Like the Wintersday Hats. That they could wear in Towns as a measure of their stature and prowess. Also every member of the team should also get a T-Shirt or Jacket.
They could use this PvE format as a preview to upcoming chapters of Guild Wars. Use this PvE Championship format as the weekend event to the missions and storyline. Have other areas to explore for those players who decide not to enter the Championship or get eliminated part of the way through.
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quickmonty
Before the fireballs start landing .....
Good job Dougal. Whether or not people agree with the idea, you spent the time to lay it out in detail. At first glance .... I like.
Good job Dougal. Whether or not people agree with the idea, you spent the time to lay it out in detail. At first glance .... I like.
mariano
Out there, there are many competitions which do not consist in an interactive fight between players or teams of players. These competitions consist in an non interactive fight between between players or teams of players to find out who gets a better record.
Then, I do not see a problem for the existence of a PvE competition, but this competition, I think would be based, for example, on:
Given one or more maps:
type of competition: who gets a quantity of experience the fastests. Another option for this: who gets more experience within a a quantity of time.
type of competition: who gets a quantity of kills the fastests. Another option for this: who gets more kills within a a quantity of time.
type of competition: to defeat 8 types of boss (may be one for each profession), wins who gets the best score.
The score points, an amount of a positive points is got by defeating a boss within a btime, the faster is done more points are got, an amount of c positive points is got by holding a certain spot during certain time, or an amount of d negative points are got when being killed or if taking to kill a boss more than c.
And things like that, may be the coop missions of the Crystal Desert could be an inspiration for these other PvE competitive missions.
I think that this could be placed in the new Zhaishen area, in the Isle of the Nameless. And could have an interface similar to that of the Zhaisen Challenge , (were the leader can choose the type of opponent), in this case for choosing a type of PvE competition. The competition would start as soon as there is opponent or opponents. And the teams times and, or, score points would be seen in the screen for all participants.
Then, I do not see a problem for the existence of a PvE competition, but this competition, I think would be based, for example, on:
Given one or more maps:
type of competition: who gets a quantity of experience the fastests. Another option for this: who gets more experience within a a quantity of time.
type of competition: who gets a quantity of kills the fastests. Another option for this: who gets more kills within a a quantity of time.
type of competition: to defeat 8 types of boss (may be one for each profession), wins who gets the best score.
The score points, an amount of a positive points is got by defeating a boss within a btime, the faster is done more points are got, an amount of c positive points is got by holding a certain spot during certain time, or an amount of d negative points are got when being killed or if taking to kill a boss more than c.
And things like that, may be the coop missions of the Crystal Desert could be an inspiration for these other PvE competitive missions.
I think that this could be placed in the new Zhaishen area, in the Isle of the Nameless. And could have an interface similar to that of the Zhaisen Challenge , (were the leader can choose the type of opponent), in this case for choosing a type of PvE competition. The competition would start as soon as there is opponent or opponents. And the teams times and, or, score points would be seen in the screen for all participants.