I'm sorry but this does not look like the Assassin we are getting
Mordakai
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Originally Posted by lyra_song
NCsoft is a just a publisher to Guild Wars, whereas they had direct hand with Lineage II.
BTW: even the male dark elves wear thongs, so...dont be so hasty ;P Yeah, I should have clarified: NCsoft is not designing characters for Guild Wars.
And you're right, idealized portraits of characters go both ways: Conan is the "stereotypical" Fantasy Male Warrior... even though he is usually shown wearing nothing but a loin cloth and a big sword or axe. (I believe in the books he actually wears armor at certain points... correct me if I'm wrong!)
BTW: even the male dark elves wear thongs, so...dont be so hasty ;P Yeah, I should have clarified: NCsoft is not designing characters for Guild Wars.
And you're right, idealized portraits of characters go both ways: Conan is the "stereotypical" Fantasy Male Warrior... even though he is usually shown wearing nothing but a loin cloth and a big sword or axe. (I believe in the books he actually wears armor at certain points... correct me if I'm wrong!)
Miakoda
"both the skeletal frames and the tight clothes are very, VERY bad for fighting."
Disagree better to have non baggy/grabbable purchase on you if the idea is to get in and out you dont want someone to grab your clothing..
"Lean does make you faster, but skeletal makes you too weak to hurt anyone, or take a hit without literally breaking."
Yes because using a knife requires arnold like physique and strength..
ever heard of functional strength? large muscle mass does not = strength.
go to any martial arts forum and ask high level instructors/personalities about real fighting, they will usually say something like this:
In a real street fight/rawl situation you will not see the knife coming, it's not like the movies where they come at you one at a time and show you the knife beforehand, no, it's usually the other person from the side or behind that stabs you and then legs it..
when you are talking about REAL combat then training can help reduce the risk, but make no mistake someone with a gun or knife that wants you dead is going to be able to do it with ease, they wont say "hi i'm here to kill you with this", they will do it when your back is turned.
so bringing realism into this is pointless, muscle mass to a certain point helps but there is a point of diminished return. ask all the people around bruce at the time and even people like chuck norris how strong he was despite his size and muscle mass, a swift jab to the eyes before you lay into them is certainly more effective than a show of strength, humans are humans we all have the same weaknesses, eyes, nose, weak joints, and genitals too..
A human knee can be broken consistently with just a few pounds of pressure, regardless of size.
Certainly if some 7 stone fragile looking person is going to get cought or stand still while some arnold type pounds the crap of him chances are that fragile person will die, but that wouldn't be too smart now would it, no that fragile person is going to either run or carry a knife/gun which negates ego all together, something bruce said himself.
In a real fight situation you use dirty tactics and get the hell out of there before damage is done to you.
If i had to chose to take a kick to the nuts between bruce and arnold i would chose arnold every time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjLZU...%20Bruce%20lee
Yes i know pointless rant, but in most cases speed > power.
Disagree better to have non baggy/grabbable purchase on you if the idea is to get in and out you dont want someone to grab your clothing..
"Lean does make you faster, but skeletal makes you too weak to hurt anyone, or take a hit without literally breaking."
Yes because using a knife requires arnold like physique and strength..
ever heard of functional strength? large muscle mass does not = strength.
go to any martial arts forum and ask high level instructors/personalities about real fighting, they will usually say something like this:
In a real street fight/rawl situation you will not see the knife coming, it's not like the movies where they come at you one at a time and show you the knife beforehand, no, it's usually the other person from the side or behind that stabs you and then legs it..
when you are talking about REAL combat then training can help reduce the risk, but make no mistake someone with a gun or knife that wants you dead is going to be able to do it with ease, they wont say "hi i'm here to kill you with this", they will do it when your back is turned.
so bringing realism into this is pointless, muscle mass to a certain point helps but there is a point of diminished return. ask all the people around bruce at the time and even people like chuck norris how strong he was despite his size and muscle mass, a swift jab to the eyes before you lay into them is certainly more effective than a show of strength, humans are humans we all have the same weaknesses, eyes, nose, weak joints, and genitals too..
A human knee can be broken consistently with just a few pounds of pressure, regardless of size.
Certainly if some 7 stone fragile looking person is going to get cought or stand still while some arnold type pounds the crap of him chances are that fragile person will die, but that wouldn't be too smart now would it, no that fragile person is going to either run or carry a knife/gun which negates ego all together, something bruce said himself.
In a real fight situation you use dirty tactics and get the hell out of there before damage is done to you.
If i had to chose to take a kick to the nuts between bruce and arnold i would chose arnold every time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjLZU...%20Bruce%20lee
Yes i know pointless rant, but in most cases speed > power.
Ira Blinks
Miakoda
you have a few good points, but conclusion is totaly wrong. Power > speed by large margin. Speed is only relevant to the certain point when we talking about asian style martial arts (for slim and light guys or women). Speed that carries no power is useless, as fast and light hit only cause irritation and anger of the target. Deep blow (using melee weapon or fists) will end fight right there.
As you've said yourself - in most cases you wont see it coming. In _real_ life ability to survive and retaliate is much more important than lightning reflexes. You think who is more likely to survive a gunshot or a stab wound (provided it didnt hit vital organs) - heavy, bulky guy with layers of clothing or our dear assasin? Take 250+ judo guy - you stab him, he will turn around and crush your skull with three fingers and then go like "wtf i got stabbed?".
Now if you actually take a look at real martial arts masters (not tv heroes) you will see a body build of _real_ medival warrior (nothing like Arnie) - short "square" body, massive heaps, belly, fists size of your head. This is a body type perfect for taking heavy blows as well as lots of minor damage. It is perfect for carrying sword/axe and armor (even w/o armor that stuff is pretty heavy).
Cute skinny boys with their toothpicks going to get _murdered_ in large numbers by just one _warrior_ 24/7.
Talking of skinny boys... 13-14 May, Toronto - MMA Expo. If you live in north america you definately should be there (i will be for sure).
you have a few good points, but conclusion is totaly wrong. Power > speed by large margin. Speed is only relevant to the certain point when we talking about asian style martial arts (for slim and light guys or women). Speed that carries no power is useless, as fast and light hit only cause irritation and anger of the target. Deep blow (using melee weapon or fists) will end fight right there.
As you've said yourself - in most cases you wont see it coming. In _real_ life ability to survive and retaliate is much more important than lightning reflexes. You think who is more likely to survive a gunshot or a stab wound (provided it didnt hit vital organs) - heavy, bulky guy with layers of clothing or our dear assasin? Take 250+ judo guy - you stab him, he will turn around and crush your skull with three fingers and then go like "wtf i got stabbed?".
Now if you actually take a look at real martial arts masters (not tv heroes) you will see a body build of _real_ medival warrior (nothing like Arnie) - short "square" body, massive heaps, belly, fists size of your head. This is a body type perfect for taking heavy blows as well as lots of minor damage. It is perfect for carrying sword/axe and armor (even w/o armor that stuff is pretty heavy).
Cute skinny boys with their toothpicks going to get _murdered_ in large numbers by just one _warrior_ 24/7.
Talking of skinny boys... 13-14 May, Toronto - MMA Expo. If you live in north america you definately should be there (i will be for sure).
Raziel665
The assassin isnt made for strenght, its made for quick surprise attacks and then getting the hell out before the warrior kicks your ass, so I agree with Miakoda. Speed > Strenght, as speed is what the slim and nimble assassin is for, while strength is still for warriors, able to deal out large damage for a much longer time. After an assassin used his skill combo's/energy, he has to escape to get ready for a new attack, while a warrior can just keep on going.
The looks of an assassin fit just fine.
The looks of an assassin fit just fine.
Xellos
Just make a huge change where you have various frames of body per class per gender. Sure, lots of work for A.net, but hey, everyone's happy!
Miakoda
You should not bring MMA/UFC etc into the equation as that is not REAL combat, they all have rules which do not allow eye gauging amongst other things..
The fight would be over a lot quicker with a very swift eye jab, those places are not about surviving the situation they are about standing over the opponent at the end and shouting "WINNAR!".
I'm only using Bruce as the example of ectomorph body shapes compared to
much larger muscle mass and overall size, speed with no power is indeed pointless, but as i state again, when someone is using a knife.. and btw that judo guy with a knife to the neck won't be able to give chase, being built like Arnie won't help you flee.
There has been countless years of research into the best and most effective way to punch/kick/grapple/lock etc.. it's easy to break bones do serious damage to much larger opponents, there are no secrets in combat.
If I am to come up against an Arnie type I am going to run, or I am going to eye jab and then run.. or etc..
There is no perfect body type, but of course you should be fit and in training, and if your 7 stone and thinking you can enter a pugilist match with an Arnie or tyson, then you will most likely die, conversly if you are a tyson/Arnie type and you plan on picking on someone a lot smaller you and provided that person has had real training, expect to be out paced and possibly blinded.
I'm not advocating people go around jabbing eyes, but if you are faced in a real situation either avoid/run/talk your way out etc.
Forget what you see bruce do in the movies, look at what he tought in real life, or look at someone like Tommy Carutthers, small, lightning fast and powerfull, and smart. btw one of his students i much larger than him the one you usually see in his clips.
The fight would be over a lot quicker with a very swift eye jab, those places are not about surviving the situation they are about standing over the opponent at the end and shouting "WINNAR!".
I'm only using Bruce as the example of ectomorph body shapes compared to
much larger muscle mass and overall size, speed with no power is indeed pointless, but as i state again, when someone is using a knife.. and btw that judo guy with a knife to the neck won't be able to give chase, being built like Arnie won't help you flee.
There has been countless years of research into the best and most effective way to punch/kick/grapple/lock etc.. it's easy to break bones do serious damage to much larger opponents, there are no secrets in combat.
If I am to come up against an Arnie type I am going to run, or I am going to eye jab and then run.. or etc..
There is no perfect body type, but of course you should be fit and in training, and if your 7 stone and thinking you can enter a pugilist match with an Arnie or tyson, then you will most likely die, conversly if you are a tyson/Arnie type and you plan on picking on someone a lot smaller you and provided that person has had real training, expect to be out paced and possibly blinded.
I'm not advocating people go around jabbing eyes, but if you are faced in a real situation either avoid/run/talk your way out etc.
Forget what you see bruce do in the movies, look at what he tought in real life, or look at someone like Tommy Carutthers, small, lightning fast and powerfull, and smart. btw one of his students i much larger than him the one you usually see in his clips.
Brave
The asassin is skinny, but most Asian girls/boys are?
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dark humar
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Originally Posted by boxterduke
Why cannot we get a fit Assassin like the pic here and instead we settle for the skinny boney one we saw. 
Ah i totaly agree .... the assasin on the pic looks a way bether than the one i saw in factions beta (they are a way to skinny yes )
But look at the ritualist female chars ^^
Ah i totaly agree .... the assasin on the pic looks a way bether than the one i saw in factions beta (they are a way to skinny yes )
But look at the ritualist female chars ^^
led-zep
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Originally Posted by Miakoda
Yes because using a knife requires arnold like physique and strength..
ever heard of functional strength? large muscle mass does not = strength.
you do realise the bad guys wear armour, you're not stabbing flesh. dont be so quick to act the smart ass next time.
ixg
hoo hoo
strength isn't everything. hitting the right spot can do it all.
anyone ever do tai chi? no need for brute strength. it's all about getting the body into the right position. hard to explain really, it's pretty wierd. but it rocks.
a guy who knows his tai chi properly is more powerful than a monster mass of muscle.
brute force>speed is a simplistic approach.
strength isn't everything. hitting the right spot can do it all.
anyone ever do tai chi? no need for brute strength. it's all about getting the body into the right position. hard to explain really, it's pretty wierd. but it rocks.
a guy who knows his tai chi properly is more powerful than a monster mass of muscle.
brute force>speed is a simplistic approach.
Poison Ivy
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Originally Posted by ixg
hoo hoo
strength isn't everything. hitting the right spot can do it all.
anyone ever do tai chi? no need for brute strength. it's all about getting the body into the right position. hard to explain really, it's pretty wierd. but it rocks.
a guy who knows his tai chi properly is more powerful than a monster mass of muscle.
brute force>speed is a simplistic approach. That is not Tai Chi...
Tai Chi is actually doing some pointless moves and to get yourself thinking I'll me healthy by doing this. It's not effective though.
strength isn't everything. hitting the right spot can do it all.
anyone ever do tai chi? no need for brute strength. it's all about getting the body into the right position. hard to explain really, it's pretty wierd. but it rocks.
a guy who knows his tai chi properly is more powerful than a monster mass of muscle.
brute force>speed is a simplistic approach. That is not Tai Chi...
Tai Chi is actually doing some pointless moves and to get yourself thinking I'll me healthy by doing this. It's not effective though.
honest_owen
i personally think the female assassin(ninja, lets face it) looks too skinny, but bigger boobs isn't gonna fix it, bigger aren't better. She just need a tad more flesh is all.
ps. i know it's a little off-topic, but am i the only one that thinks gabe's (a-la penny arcade) drawing of the ninja looks like a cartoon jessica alba?
ps. i know it's a little off-topic, but am i the only one that thinks gabe's (a-la penny arcade) drawing of the ninja looks like a cartoon jessica alba?
Mordakai
Mmmm... Jessica Alba in the Factions movie!
Zehnchu
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Originally Posted by Mordakai
Mmmm... Jessica Alba in the Factions movie!
lol it was called Dark Angel
Ira Blinks
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Originally Posted by Miakoda
You should not bring MMA/UFC etc into the equation as that is not REAL combat, they all have rules which do not allow eye gauging amongst other things..
The fight would be over a lot quicker with a very swift eye jab, those places are not about surviving the situation they are about standing over the opponent at the end and shouting "WINNAR!".
I'm only using Bruce as the example of ectomorph body shapes compared to
much larger muscle mass and overall size, speed with no power is indeed pointless, but as i state again, when someone is using a knife.. and btw that judo guy with a knife to the neck won't be able to give chase, being built like Arnie won't help you flee.
There has been countless years of research into the best and most effective way to punch/kick/grapple/lock etc.. it's easy to break bones do serious damage to much larger opponents, there are no secrets in combat.
If I am to come up against an Arnie type I am going to run, or I am going to eye jab and then run.. or etc..
There is no perfect body type, but of course you should be fit and in training, and if your 7 stone and thinking you can enter a pugilist match with an Arnie or tyson, then you will most likely die, conversly if you are a tyson/Arnie type and you plan on picking on someone a lot smaller you and provided that person has had real training, expect to be out paced and possibly blinded.
I'm not advocating people go around jabbing eyes, but if you are faced in a real situation either avoid/run/talk your way out etc.
Forget what you see bruce do in the movies, look at what he tought in real life, or look at someone like Tommy Carutthers, small, lightning fast and powerfull, and smart. btw one of his students i much larger than him the one you usually see in his clips. You comparing apples to oranges. You assume that someone bigger is stronger has less skill, based on another false assumption that speed = skill. Im sorry, but you judging of Hollywood trends... No matter how fast you are, you can't outrun punch or kick... forget sword.
We often get new people who come from asian martial arts with a smartass attitude of "oh look i can poke you in the eye!" (when grabbed or dragged into close fight), who just dont realize that simple pain reaction will make me break his neck instantly.
Dont get me wrong, my instructor does encourage use of dirty tricks like balls kicking etc., but the way you put it is just silly. If you going for the dirty trick you have to secure your position, you must be dominant, otherwise response will be so hard and fast you'll regret even thinking about it. If you think you can poke in the eye seasoned fighter and run off, that will be the last thing you did in your life. Which brings us back to original point: Fighter is someone who can deal _and_ take damage.
Now as for using a knife... Try to stab thru a ringmail for a change. Then put it on real person and do the same while he is kickin crap outta you.
As for ninja moves: again, you watch too much Hollywood crap. Real invisible move (stab?) can only come from a calm and relaxed person. Obfuscating clothing helps to. On the other hand speedy person with sharp movements will get everyone’s attention instantly, because as every non-predator animal humans have very good peripheral and motion vision.
Tight clothes are the worst thing you can have on you. It makes it very easy to grab you and direct damage
The fight would be over a lot quicker with a very swift eye jab, those places are not about surviving the situation they are about standing over the opponent at the end and shouting "WINNAR!".
I'm only using Bruce as the example of ectomorph body shapes compared to
much larger muscle mass and overall size, speed with no power is indeed pointless, but as i state again, when someone is using a knife.. and btw that judo guy with a knife to the neck won't be able to give chase, being built like Arnie won't help you flee.
There has been countless years of research into the best and most effective way to punch/kick/grapple/lock etc.. it's easy to break bones do serious damage to much larger opponents, there are no secrets in combat.
If I am to come up against an Arnie type I am going to run, or I am going to eye jab and then run.. or etc..
There is no perfect body type, but of course you should be fit and in training, and if your 7 stone and thinking you can enter a pugilist match with an Arnie or tyson, then you will most likely die, conversly if you are a tyson/Arnie type and you plan on picking on someone a lot smaller you and provided that person has had real training, expect to be out paced and possibly blinded.
I'm not advocating people go around jabbing eyes, but if you are faced in a real situation either avoid/run/talk your way out etc.
Forget what you see bruce do in the movies, look at what he tought in real life, or look at someone like Tommy Carutthers, small, lightning fast and powerfull, and smart. btw one of his students i much larger than him the one you usually see in his clips. You comparing apples to oranges. You assume that someone bigger is stronger has less skill, based on another false assumption that speed = skill. Im sorry, but you judging of Hollywood trends... No matter how fast you are, you can't outrun punch or kick... forget sword.
We often get new people who come from asian martial arts with a smartass attitude of "oh look i can poke you in the eye!" (when grabbed or dragged into close fight), who just dont realize that simple pain reaction will make me break his neck instantly.
Dont get me wrong, my instructor does encourage use of dirty tricks like balls kicking etc., but the way you put it is just silly. If you going for the dirty trick you have to secure your position, you must be dominant, otherwise response will be so hard and fast you'll regret even thinking about it. If you think you can poke in the eye seasoned fighter and run off, that will be the last thing you did in your life. Which brings us back to original point: Fighter is someone who can deal _and_ take damage.
Now as for using a knife... Try to stab thru a ringmail for a change. Then put it on real person and do the same while he is kickin crap outta you.
As for ninja moves: again, you watch too much Hollywood crap. Real invisible move (stab?) can only come from a calm and relaxed person. Obfuscating clothing helps to. On the other hand speedy person with sharp movements will get everyone’s attention instantly, because as every non-predator animal humans have very good peripheral and motion vision.
Tight clothes are the worst thing you can have on you. It makes it very easy to grab you and direct damage
Raziel665
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Originally Posted by led-zep
you do realise the bad guys wear armour, you're not stabbing flesh. dont be so quick to act the smart ass next time.
What if the warrior is wearing Gladiators amor? Hmmm?
Also, why does everyone compare it to real life, its still a game, you dont hear me shout "OMG! That necro is cheating, there is no way you can animate bone horrors in real life!"
Also, why does everyone compare it to real life, its still a game, you dont hear me shout "OMG! That necro is cheating, there is no way you can animate bone horrors in real life!"
BigTru
It's amazing how great they can make the scenary look, but the in-game character models and armor designs look kinda amatuer.
Rebel Dragon
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Originally Posted by BigTru
It's amazing how great they can make the scenary look, but the in-game character models and armor designs look kinda amatuer.
in someway yes.. on alot other ways NO!
i have to agree. like what did they think when they made the ele armor? lets make a clown?
and what did they think while making warriors armor.. lets make a baddass armor so enemys just run away!
i have to agree. like what did they think when they made the ele armor? lets make a clown?
and what did they think while making warriors armor.. lets make a baddass armor so enemys just run away!
Martian
I know nothing or little about proffesional fighting, being an RL pacifist, but what little i've learned from Media and gaming has led me to believe that the different fighting styles are neither better nor worse than one another.
A larger person can indeed absorb damage easily and deliver it back, albeit slowly and often innacurately, but very hard.
A more gymnastic and lithe person can generally stay out of reach of a larger fighter, and dodge into and out of combat to deliver damage quickly then avoid retaliation. However, the moment he slips up and lets that big guy land a hefty kick or punch, he could easily be out for the count or left vulnerable.
Similarly if that large person can't find and use the right oppurtunity to lash out, he will eventually become tired, probably faint from blood loss, and will succumb to ther lighter fighters assault.
Personally i like the way assasins look and would be very dissapointed if Anet decided to go for a more traditional body-shape, instead of maintaining the assassins as the lithe, jumpy killers they are, and should be.
A larger person can indeed absorb damage easily and deliver it back, albeit slowly and often innacurately, but very hard.
A more gymnastic and lithe person can generally stay out of reach of a larger fighter, and dodge into and out of combat to deliver damage quickly then avoid retaliation. However, the moment he slips up and lets that big guy land a hefty kick or punch, he could easily be out for the count or left vulnerable.
Similarly if that large person can't find and use the right oppurtunity to lash out, he will eventually become tired, probably faint from blood loss, and will succumb to ther lighter fighters assault.
Personally i like the way assasins look and would be very dissapointed if Anet decided to go for a more traditional body-shape, instead of maintaining the assassins as the lithe, jumpy killers they are, and should be.
Sidrakket
Huh, whats all this?
Look, heres a lesson. For everyone.
Combat = force and leverage.
Thats it. It all comes down to that, from defense to offense.
Taller people have an advantage.
People who weigh more, have an advantage. No, this doesnt mean that fatty over there is particularly a good fighter, he has to be able to move his weight after all. But muscles weight is good not only because it makes you stronger, but because it makes you more massive, and people with naturaly more robust bone structures and simply a heavyey build have an advantage. And between two unskilled and frigthened sissys, the larger one, even if hes just 300 lbs of gooey lard, has the advantage over the nerd=p
Now, a smaller person can make use of leverage nicley and by no means are they excluded from being able to kick somethings ass, but all things else being equal size DOES MATTER.
So remember, force and leverage, using leverage to direct force, and overcome your enemy. Thats all there is to it. From kicking someone to chopping them in half with an axe. Everything else is fluff.
Its easy to hit/stab/whatever somebody, this has been known since the dawn of man.. even before. The point of every single combat system is to do it in such a way that attempts to give you a decent chance at not getting yourself hit/stabbed/whatever in the process.
Look, heres a lesson. For everyone.
Combat = force and leverage.
Thats it. It all comes down to that, from defense to offense.
Taller people have an advantage.
People who weigh more, have an advantage. No, this doesnt mean that fatty over there is particularly a good fighter, he has to be able to move his weight after all. But muscles weight is good not only because it makes you stronger, but because it makes you more massive, and people with naturaly more robust bone structures and simply a heavyey build have an advantage. And between two unskilled and frigthened sissys, the larger one, even if hes just 300 lbs of gooey lard, has the advantage over the nerd=p
Now, a smaller person can make use of leverage nicley and by no means are they excluded from being able to kick somethings ass, but all things else being equal size DOES MATTER.
So remember, force and leverage, using leverage to direct force, and overcome your enemy. Thats all there is to it. From kicking someone to chopping them in half with an axe. Everything else is fluff.
Its easy to hit/stab/whatever somebody, this has been known since the dawn of man.. even before. The point of every single combat system is to do it in such a way that attempts to give you a decent chance at not getting yourself hit/stabbed/whatever in the process.
Seban Anu
Hm, I'll admit I didn't read through all of this thread, just the first handful of pages. And from the looks of it the conversation is shifting a little bit, so pardon me...
But personally I am happy the assasins look different. I know people, some people in my family for that matter, who are perfectly healthy and are built like that. I was impressed with the assasins when I first saw them, because unlike the ritualists (who seem to have ele builds) they have a completely different body type; with perhaps the exception of male necromancers. They run different, stand different, and noteably look different. I think its great. Especially in women. Look around you, all women arent hippy, all women dont have large chests. Some perfectly *healthy* and beautiful women have 'boyish' bodies and flat chests and I assure you many men find them quite beautiful and many of them are not destined to live as hermits for fear of making others randomly, dramatically vomit at the pure sight of them. I've always thought gw needed more personalized characters, less cookie cutter she looks like her and such. Yeah, we can change the height, but thats about it. :P I was hoping for another width type scale when I first got the game but hey, if they want to make body styles based on class go for it, its better than nothing. Variety is the spice of life, yo. And with my mesmer, ele and soon to be ritualist I really dont need another one of those curvy, all be it beautiful, women in my character screen.
/endrant
Take care, God bless ;D
But personally I am happy the assasins look different. I know people, some people in my family for that matter, who are perfectly healthy and are built like that. I was impressed with the assasins when I first saw them, because unlike the ritualists (who seem to have ele builds) they have a completely different body type; with perhaps the exception of male necromancers. They run different, stand different, and noteably look different. I think its great. Especially in women. Look around you, all women arent hippy, all women dont have large chests. Some perfectly *healthy* and beautiful women have 'boyish' bodies and flat chests and I assure you many men find them quite beautiful and many of them are not destined to live as hermits for fear of making others randomly, dramatically vomit at the pure sight of them. I've always thought gw needed more personalized characters, less cookie cutter she looks like her and such. Yeah, we can change the height, but thats about it. :P I was hoping for another width type scale when I first got the game but hey, if they want to make body styles based on class go for it, its better than nothing. Variety is the spice of life, yo. And with my mesmer, ele and soon to be ritualist I really dont need another one of those curvy, all be it beautiful, women in my character screen.
/endrant
Take care, God bless ;D
Ravex
this assassin isnt the first guild wars char this has happend to. I thout the cover pictures of the warroir looked awsome all decked out in his gold shiny armor. but it turned out not to be so cool looking after all:/ i also hope thers some better armor then in the preview that was some pretty basic stuff..
ph0bolus
none of the characters on the covers you can have..like the prophecies warrior helmet...you cant have it or aidens armour..and i think if you look through the manual you see a warrior holding an oversized longsword..the cover art is basically for looks
Martian
Just wanted to thank the mods for clearing up the thread, it was getting pretty ugly in here 
I still think that Assassins have exactly the right look to be what they are but ultimately we are not going to please everyone until we have adjustable body proportians beyond just hieght.
I still think that Assassins have exactly the right look to be what they are but ultimately we are not going to please everyone until we have adjustable body proportians beyond just hieght.
Darksun
True dat.. The Assassins look like what they are supposed to look like. Wirey-strong, light, fast, stealthy! I think they are fine (I really don't like the porcupine armour tho)
The only female have a problem with is the Warrior. They should be much more muscular, smaller chest, thicker arms & legs...battle ready. Looks too much like a runway model. I mean she's hot, but she doesn't look like a WARRIOR. Those thin arms would never wield a Ram's Head Hammer..
I allways thought it would be cool if they would let you change your character's weight. Make em fatter/thinner along with taller. Little Thom's pot-belly makes him very unique!
The only female have a problem with is the Warrior. They should be much more muscular, smaller chest, thicker arms & legs...battle ready. Looks too much like a runway model. I mean she's hot, but she doesn't look like a WARRIOR. Those thin arms would never wield a Ram's Head Hammer..
I allways thought it would be cool if they would let you change your character's weight. Make em fatter/thinner along with taller. Little Thom's pot-belly makes him very unique!
Count to Potato
Ritualist in game look way better
primal98
just play as the male assassin? I think he looks cooler neways.
OHNOES!1!! prim3 is pl4yin with a m4l3 char... teh gay teh gya!!
~prime
OHNOES!1!! prim3 is pl4yin with a m4l3 char... teh gay teh gya!!
~prime
misthero
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Originally Posted by Darksun
True dat.. The Assassins look like what they are supposed to look like. Wirey-strong, light, fast, stealthy! I think they are fine (I really don't like the porcupine armour tho)
The only female have a problem with is the Warrior. They should be much more muscular, smaller chest, thicker arms & legs...battle ready. Looks too much like a runway model. I mean she's hot, but she doesn't look like a WARRIOR. Those thin arms would never wield a Ram's Head Hammer..
I allways thought it would be cool if they would let you change your character's weight. Make em fatter/thinner along with taller. Little Thom's pot-belly makes him very unique! Yep, but we all knows that GW character customization is not the best around there. I fear DEV not changed it befor and never will. We can get mor hairstiles and faces, but that's all.
The only female have a problem with is the Warrior. They should be much more muscular, smaller chest, thicker arms & legs...battle ready. Looks too much like a runway model. I mean she's hot, but she doesn't look like a WARRIOR. Those thin arms would never wield a Ram's Head Hammer..
I allways thought it would be cool if they would let you change your character's weight. Make em fatter/thinner along with taller. Little Thom's pot-belly makes him very unique! Yep, but we all knows that GW character customization is not the best around there. I fear DEV not changed it befor and never will. We can get mor hairstiles and faces, but that's all.
LD50
I agree with the original post in that I'm disappointed that the in-game female assassin doesn't look like the art we've been seeing.
Still, I like the way both the (male and female) assassins look. My single complaint is that the female assassin should have a bit more bulk on her upper arms, they look almost smaller than her forearms. >_>
Actually, another complaint is the lack of good female assassin hair styles and colors. We can't even make her hair purple!
All in all, some people need to chill. So what if some guy would prefer it if the female assassin had bigger breasts and more curves? That's just what he likes in a woman, apparently. Personally, I'm an advocate of smaller breasts and less curves, and once again that's just personal taste.
I'm also sick and ****ing tired of people throwing in the "it's just pixels" bullshit argument. OK, we all know they're just pixels and aren't real women, get over yourselves. The high and mighty attitude that just screams "I'm better than all you because I've had girlfriends and I suspect none of you have."
Blech, to hell with that rant.
Anyway, back to the topic: I think it'd be great to have more character creation options (like the proportion editor), more hair styles, more faces, etc.
Still, I like the way both the (male and female) assassins look. My single complaint is that the female assassin should have a bit more bulk on her upper arms, they look almost smaller than her forearms. >_>
Actually, another complaint is the lack of good female assassin hair styles and colors. We can't even make her hair purple!
All in all, some people need to chill. So what if some guy would prefer it if the female assassin had bigger breasts and more curves? That's just what he likes in a woman, apparently. Personally, I'm an advocate of smaller breasts and less curves, and once again that's just personal taste.
I'm also sick and ****ing tired of people throwing in the "it's just pixels" bullshit argument. OK, we all know they're just pixels and aren't real women, get over yourselves. The high and mighty attitude that just screams "I'm better than all you because I've had girlfriends and I suspect none of you have."
Blech, to hell with that rant.
Anyway, back to the topic: I think it'd be great to have more character creation options (like the proportion editor), more hair styles, more faces, etc.
MysticPain
I'm far too lazy to read all these posts, but I must say that I really don't see any problem with the female assassin. You can tell by her tummy that she's obviously very fit, and she seems about as slim as she would be in that body type.
Everyone likes bigger boobs (well, not everyone, but the majority), but come on, her stomach is fine.
Everyone likes bigger boobs (well, not everyone, but the majority), but come on, her stomach is fine.
Yukito Kunisaki
I'll answer to the gigantic posts earlier in this thread regarding martial arts...
Speed = Power... You can't be light and hit fast.
When you hit fast, you hit hard. There's no avoiding this.
How do I prove this? I don't have to, Einstein did...
E=mc^2
energy = mass x acceleration.
anti-derivative?
power = mass x speed
I throw a bullet at you that weighs in at a few grams. It bounces off you.
I put the same bullet in a sniper rifle and fire it at mach 2, it will do a lot more than hit you...
what's this mean?
Your mass/weight/size isn't what's important. If you can train to hit faster than believably possible, that's when speed > all of the above.
Can one be faster than a bullet? Not sure, but that Bruce Lee kick video was quite impressive. [hard to tell, but he kicks twice within 2-3 frames of video footage I think. I used to kick like that in my earlier training days... ]
If I can drive my finger into your throat with 70 lbs. of force, I don't care who you are [unless you have an armored neck lol]
My karate teacher had a cool punching pad that measured weight/force when struck.
Quite scary really, his 'relaxed' backfist punch struck for 90lbs...
He said nobody should hold it if he's doing one for real... 
I've fallen in love with the knife hand chop due to Dead or Alive influence with Ein [love DoA, especially the ladies, rawr... and I'm a married man so don't go all 'you need a g/f' on me, damn punks...]
My chop does about 80 lbs these days and I target the base of the neck or side usually...
Wtf does this have to do with the game? I'm hoping sins work that way, no beef, just raw speed and skill/technique...
But I must say, Visu is the 'ideal' sin. Hot body, motherly bosom... Strong child-bearing hips...
Um, you get the idea...
I'm for the group that says sins are too thin. Come on, if you're going to depict them like your cover art, add just a little more beef to them. Even tomboys are hotties when they've got workout muscle going for them. [nice rack is definitely a fringe benefit, that's fo sh0]
Speed = Power... You can't be light and hit fast.
When you hit fast, you hit hard. There's no avoiding this.
How do I prove this? I don't have to, Einstein did...
E=mc^2
energy = mass x acceleration.
anti-derivative?
power = mass x speed
I throw a bullet at you that weighs in at a few grams. It bounces off you.
I put the same bullet in a sniper rifle and fire it at mach 2, it will do a lot more than hit you...
what's this mean?
Your mass/weight/size isn't what's important. If you can train to hit faster than believably possible, that's when speed > all of the above.
Can one be faster than a bullet? Not sure, but that Bruce Lee kick video was quite impressive. [hard to tell, but he kicks twice within 2-3 frames of video footage I think. I used to kick like that in my earlier training days...
]If I can drive my finger into your throat with 70 lbs. of force, I don't care who you are [unless you have an armored neck lol]
My karate teacher had a cool punching pad that measured weight/force when struck.
Quite scary really, his 'relaxed' backfist punch struck for 90lbs...
He said nobody should hold it if he's doing one for real... I've fallen in love with the knife hand chop due to Dead or Alive influence with Ein [love DoA, especially the ladies, rawr... and I'm a married man so don't go all 'you need a g/f' on me, damn punks...]
My chop does about 80 lbs these days and I target the base of the neck or side usually...
Wtf does this have to do with the game? I'm hoping sins work that way, no beef, just raw speed and skill/technique...
But I must say, Visu is the 'ideal' sin. Hot body, motherly bosom... Strong child-bearing hips...
Um, you get the idea...I'm for the group that says sins are too thin. Come on, if you're going to depict them like your cover art, add just a little more beef to them. Even tomboys are hotties when they've got workout muscle going for them. [nice rack is definitely a fringe benefit, that's fo sh0]
Spoony
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Originally Posted by CKaz
yeah I wont touch the anorexic assassin
Weird, assasins still die first right after mesmers and monks.(or right with them)
Spoony
But seriously, not to mention that assasins look much like bdsm fans and theyre too skinny.
People(mostly men) want assasins to look deadly and be *ekhem* really attractive at the same time. U got to understand them here, thats why the topic gone for the breasts, as u said it boxterduke.
Id say make the assasins not that thin and just smaller in height as a sacrafice. Less height - less weight. Less weight means u can move faster.
U can move faster - u can kill ur opponent faster. (it wouldn't have an influence on the game though)
People(mostly men) want assasins to look deadly and be *ekhem* really attractive at the same time. U got to understand them here, thats why the topic gone for the breasts, as u said it boxterduke.
Id say make the assasins not that thin and just smaller in height as a sacrafice. Less height - less weight. Less weight means u can move faster.
U can move faster - u can kill ur opponent faster. (it wouldn't have an influence on the game though)
Thallandor
woah even after release you guys are still going at it. It not gonna change sadly so we will have to bare with it or roll yourself a ritualist and be a happier person 
Eragon Dragonslayer
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Originally Posted by Rebel Dragon
while the assasin looks like a well trained female...
only i have to agree. the female assasin isnt a beaty.. and bigger hips and upperlegs. some more breast would help. and i dont want comments like: you are all litlle kiddies in puberty etc.. and yest im 14 year old! and i also have to say that if the assasin would like like a pornstar i also would play it...
just more fat and weight on her legs, hip and chest.. Ahh!!!!! Nightmares!!!! Ahh!!! Ill Never Sleep Again!! *takes out dagger* this is to horrifying to see good bye cold cruel world!!!! *stabs self and dies*
Thallandor
^ some pple may take offence but that pic is what i would describe as the living undead....skin over bones scary and gives me the creeps.
Wyld Kard
You people are morons, you complain about a characters looks and dont take into reality the basis for the looks an assassin is SPOST to look thin and lanky because she/he is built for speed/agility not tanking hits and smashing things with her/his forhead... the people who think the assassin is too skinny fail to take into consideration what the assassin is made for not for a fashion show but for fast moving insanly agile movements and attacks... it would be like saying the male warrior is too muscular make him more husky and average so weak minded low selfesteem people dont go off and sob in a corner eating a doughnut...
Sidra
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Originally Posted by Ira Blinks
You comparing apples to oranges. You assume that someone bigger is stronger has less skill, based on another false assumption that speed = skill. Im sorry, but you judging of Hollywood trends... No matter how fast you are, you can't outrun punch or kick... forget sword.
We often get new people who come from asian martial arts with a smartass attitude of "oh look i can poke you in the eye!" (when grabbed or dragged into close fight), who just dont realize that simple pain reaction will make me break his neck instantly.
Dont get me wrong, my instructor does encourage use of dirty tricks like balls kicking etc., but the way you put it is just silly. If you going for the dirty trick you have to secure your position, you must be dominant, otherwise response will be so hard and fast you'll regret even thinking about it. If you think you can poke in the eye seasoned fighter and run off, that will be the last thing you did in your life. Which brings us back to original point: Fighter is someone who can deal _and_ take damage.
Now as for using a knife... Try to stab thru a ringmail for a change. Then put it on real person and do the same while he is kickin crap outta you.
As for ninja moves: again, you watch too much Hollywood crap. Real invisible move (stab?) can only come from a calm and relaxed person. Obfuscating clothing helps to. On the other hand speedy person with sharp movements will get everyone’s attention instantly, because as every non-predator animal humans have very good peripheral and motion vision.
Tight clothes are the worst thing you can have on you. It makes it very easy to grab you and direct damage
1: Ira, I find you hilarious. But that is besides the point.
2: Speed will not matter if I am fighting someone and jump>trip>sit on them before they can go anywhere. I happen to be "big" for my age (5'11" and 170 lbs.) and personally have never lost a fight to a fast person, just because they were fast. Karate also had no effect when I was binding their arms to their sides and just throwing them down or disabling them some other way, miawhatever. For instance, if you were to attack me with everthing you had (bare-handed) I don't think I'd let you get anywhere near my eyes before I got you. Big people can be quick too, it's all in how you are built. Please stop making erroneous comments on things that you seemingly have no experience in. I personally take offence at your seemingly indefinete conclusion that big = stupid = slow.
We often get new people who come from asian martial arts with a smartass attitude of "oh look i can poke you in the eye!" (when grabbed or dragged into close fight), who just dont realize that simple pain reaction will make me break his neck instantly.
Dont get me wrong, my instructor does encourage use of dirty tricks like balls kicking etc., but the way you put it is just silly. If you going for the dirty trick you have to secure your position, you must be dominant, otherwise response will be so hard and fast you'll regret even thinking about it. If you think you can poke in the eye seasoned fighter and run off, that will be the last thing you did in your life. Which brings us back to original point: Fighter is someone who can deal _and_ take damage.
Now as for using a knife... Try to stab thru a ringmail for a change. Then put it on real person and do the same while he is kickin crap outta you.
As for ninja moves: again, you watch too much Hollywood crap. Real invisible move (stab?) can only come from a calm and relaxed person. Obfuscating clothing helps to. On the other hand speedy person with sharp movements will get everyone’s attention instantly, because as every non-predator animal humans have very good peripheral and motion vision.
Tight clothes are the worst thing you can have on you. It makes it very easy to grab you and direct damage
1: Ira, I find you hilarious. But that is besides the point.
2: Speed will not matter if I am fighting someone and jump>trip>sit on them before they can go anywhere. I happen to be "big" for my age (5'11" and 170 lbs.) and personally have never lost a fight to a fast person, just because they were fast. Karate also had no effect when I was binding their arms to their sides and just throwing them down or disabling them some other way, miawhatever. For instance, if you were to attack me with everthing you had (bare-handed) I don't think I'd let you get anywhere near my eyes before I got you. Big people can be quick too, it's all in how you are built. Please stop making erroneous comments on things that you seemingly have no experience in. I personally take offence at your seemingly indefinete conclusion that big = stupid = slow.
Miakoda
That post will be deleted also^
Sidra
Possibly, but at least you read it first :-D.