I Think Soul Reaping Should Not Trigger On Spirits.
First. It Is Anti Iway!
Second. It Is Unfair!!
A Ranger Throwing Up Spirits Left And Right And Oathshotting Them For Unlimited Energy = Unfair!
A Good Oath Shotter Who Can Kite Properly Can Give Over 1000 Energy In A Full 10 Minutte Battle!
I See So Many Teams Like Zaished Running The Bs Over And Over In Halls Just Running Around With Thier Healing Hands Shield Of Deflection Martyr And Spiking One Or So Targets And Holding Halls For 3 Hours. Do Spirits Move? No
Soul Reaping: For Every Creature... Honestly How Can A Spirit Be Considered A Creature Does It Do Damage Lol.
Now, Lets Nerf This Flavor Of The Month And Be Done With It Anet!
All Hail April 15 Skill Balance The Blood Spike Exile!
April 15 Skill Balance: SOUL REAPING and spirits
shezbian
Arkantos
Doesnt your finger hurt after pressing shift every word? 
shezbian
I make a point with it : )
Hella Good
I think you need a chill pill. There is nothing wrong with Soul Reaping being triggered on spirits... 0. If they going to nerf Soul Reaping they might as well get rid of IWAY getting triggered on pets and Ranger Expertise stop working on non-Ranger skills. I mean, come on... There is a fine line between serious balance issues and "I want it that way, so nerf it, Anet!" 
mint
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Originally Posted by Bloody Death
Doesnt your finger hurt after pressing shift every word?
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I think its funny that he's complaining about blood spike "bs" when he's an iway-er.
Rayne Nightfyre
Didn't you post something else before, from the biased standpoint of pro-Iway? I recognized your signature style of shifting every word... 
(only difference is that I could read this one 
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But seriously, I honestly don't know what to say about your topic. :/
(only difference is that I could read this one )But seriously, I honestly don't know what to say about your topic. :/
Murder In China
And people said Soul Reaping was useless in PvP...
Lady Lozza
*blinks* that was something of an eye-sore.
Personally I don't see why it is unfair that soul-reaping triggers on spirits, iway still triggers pets. I don't think that oathshot it unfair either.
HA is about tactics and a little common sense. Blood spike is a good team build, as is ranger spike. Iway is a good PUG build, but you can't expect to win and hold halls with a pug, it simply isn't a common occurance.
Alice has been known to hold halls for 6+ hours, what do you suggest we do with that? Outlaw rainbow spikes?
Simply because someone has a good idea for a team build, and it beats your team constantly, does not make it unfair. I said the same thing of Iway when many people were up in arms against it, and I say the same thing about e-bombs. There is nothing wrong with these builds. If Anet determines there is a skill that is not functioning as intended and threatening the balance of the game they will do something about it, and people will find new ways of doing things. However simply because you THINK you are UBER and you THINK you should be OWNING when you are not does NOT make the skills being used against you UNFAIR. Balanced means for every action there is an equal and opposite counter-action. If they are better at countering and out-manouevring you, they will win.
Personally I don't see why it is unfair that soul-reaping triggers on spirits, iway still triggers pets. I don't think that oathshot it unfair either.
HA is about tactics and a little common sense. Blood spike is a good team build, as is ranger spike. Iway is a good PUG build, but you can't expect to win and hold halls with a pug, it simply isn't a common occurance.
Alice has been known to hold halls for 6+ hours, what do you suggest we do with that? Outlaw rainbow spikes?
Simply because someone has a good idea for a team build, and it beats your team constantly, does not make it unfair. I said the same thing of Iway when many people were up in arms against it, and I say the same thing about e-bombs. There is nothing wrong with these builds. If Anet determines there is a skill that is not functioning as intended and threatening the balance of the game they will do something about it, and people will find new ways of doing things. However simply because you THINK you are UBER and you THINK you should be OWNING when you are not does NOT make the skills being used against you UNFAIR. Balanced means for every action there is an equal and opposite counter-action. If they are better at countering and out-manouevring you, they will win.
Ephemeral Dreamer
Almost any mes can stop the spirit spammer from dropping spirts if they just zapp the spirit spammer energy (had this happen to me by a mes with the name almost like the OP), long story short, the match took 20 min beore 1 side finally won (this was on the burial map, 1st map i believe)
konohamaru heaven
Ok children dont make me turn this car around I mean it this time.
On a more serious note I personally think soul reaping is fine as it is with spirits. Anyways how often do you really see a crap load of spirits in the current metagame that revolve around abusing Soul Reaping.
On a more serious note I personally think soul reaping is fine as it is with spirits. Anyways how often do you really see a crap load of spirits in the current metagame that revolve around abusing Soul Reaping.
Lady Lozza
Agreed, blood spike, ranger spike, etc does not spam spirits for energy for their necros. Spirits like fertile and symbiosis exist in these builds to keep the team alive. Muddy terrain to prevent/slow melee attacks and frozen to stop res. There are twice as many opposition to kill and the opposition go down much more quickly than the spirits, therefore it is safe to say that the majority of their energy is gained from killing the enemy than from spirits (nearby) dying.
d4nowar
Have the two posts above mine ever even played a decent blood spike?
Overlapping spirits = one is dead. That gives you your energy to keep up your spikes.
Overlapping spirits = one is dead. That gives you your energy to keep up your spikes.
Lady Lozza
d4nowar, I am well aware of the situation as I have played in a decent blood spike before. I've also played against blood spikes both on the winning and loosing side. A spirit spammer does not spam spirits indefinately, or perhaps rather shouldn't have to, and furthermore certainly can't keep up the casting in such a way as the original poster suggested. A ranger - even in druids - only has so much energy.
It is my personal experience that I gain more energy from killing the opposition than from the spirit spammer spamming fertile and symbiosis. This is of course not including the times spent facing iway and being able to gain energy from THEIR spirits as well.
Certainly against a very good set of monks the spirit spammer working over time might make all the difference, however in my general exeperience a blood spike either works or does not work well against a certain team and - by the time all the necros are so low on energy they cannot spike successfully - the game is either won or lost.
Of course in a spike team that is NOT very good, where the spikes never come off properly and they aren't killing the opposition as quickly as most decent blood spikes do, a spirit spammer might make a huge difference to the energy pool of the necros.
It is my personal experience that I gain more energy from killing the opposition than from the spirit spammer spamming fertile and symbiosis. This is of course not including the times spent facing iway and being able to gain energy from THEIR spirits as well.
Certainly against a very good set of monks the spirit spammer working over time might make all the difference, however in my general exeperience a blood spike either works or does not work well against a certain team and - by the time all the necros are so low on energy they cannot spike successfully - the game is either won or lost.
Of course in a spike team that is NOT very good, where the spikes never come off properly and they aren't killing the opposition as quickly as most decent blood spikes do, a spirit spammer might make a huge difference to the energy pool of the necros.
unienaule
Pointing out how someone is wrong = good.
Flames like "you suck die plz k thx" = bad.
Flames like "you suck die plz k thx" = bad.
Cacheelma
ummm...and why did the OP have to post the exact thread (with exact message) on two different boards?!?
Go over to GWO to see what I'm talking about and oh, FYI: Most of his threads at GWO's board got closed.
Go over to GWO to see what I'm talking about and oh, FYI: Most of his threads at GWO's board got closed.
TheMosesPHD
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Pointing out how someone is wrong = good.
Flames like "you suck die plz k thx" = bad. |
Weezer_Blue
Yeah! We shouldn't need counters! A.Net, Nerf Every Build But The One I Am Using This Instant Kay Thankz Bye
dansamy
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Originally Posted by unienaule
Pointing out how someone is wrong = good.
Flames like "you suck die plz k thx" = bad. |
studentochaos
When I saw this thread title I knew I was going to laugh. Thank you all for the giggles.
Mister Muhkuh
OH NOOO it is Anti Iway
aahhh
heeelp meee neeerf iiit
/sarcasm
dont play iway if u cant manage to get other teams down with it...
aahhh
heeelp meee neeerf iiit
/sarcasm
dont play iway if u cant manage to get other teams down with it...
NinjaKai
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Originally Posted by Hella Good
I think you need a chill pill. There is nothing wrong with Soul Reaping being triggered on spirits... 0. If they going to nerf Soul Reaping they might as well get rid of IWAY getting triggered on pets and Ranger Expertise stop working on non-Ranger skills. I mean, come on... There is a fine line between serious balance issues and "I want it that way, so nerf it, Anet!"
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R. Mindwalker
I dont see why spirits trigger soulreaping in the first place. Do spirits even have a soul? because thats the idea behind the soulreaping.
If see spirits as different things then creatures. But thats just me
If see spirits as different things then creatures. But thats just me
Avarre
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imsystem
WONDER IF HE WOULD BE COMPLAINING IF IWAY WORKED FOR THE SPIRITS TOO.
BUT THINK ABOUT IT ITS CALLED SOUL REAPING AND DOES A SPIRIT HAVE A SOUL TO REAP.
# In religion and spirituality, the term spirit has two core meanings: # The nature and essential substance of human souls, through which each is connected to all others, and by the experience of such connection is a primary basis for spiritual belief. In theological terms, a "spirit" (singular lowercase) is the deepest part of the soul of man, and the transmitting organ by which human beings can contact God. ...
I WOULD SAY YES A SPIRIT HAS A SOUL TO REAP BASED ON THAT.
SO THEN SOUL REAPING SHOULD BE ALLOWED FOR SPIRTS.
BUT FOR BALANCE I DONT KNOW BUT YOU COULD SAY IWAY IS STILL OVERPOWERD ASWELL SO NERF THAT TOO RIGHT.
dang i thought it was gonna only capitalize the first letter of each word like somone said
so sorry for caps then
BUT THINK ABOUT IT ITS CALLED SOUL REAPING AND DOES A SPIRIT HAVE A SOUL TO REAP.
# In religion and spirituality, the term spirit has two core meanings: # The nature and essential substance of human souls, through which each is connected to all others, and by the experience of such connection is a primary basis for spiritual belief. In theological terms, a "spirit" (singular lowercase) is the deepest part of the soul of man, and the transmitting organ by which human beings can contact God. ...
I WOULD SAY YES A SPIRIT HAS A SOUL TO REAP BASED ON THAT.
SO THEN SOUL REAPING SHOULD BE ALLOWED FOR SPIRTS.
BUT FOR BALANCE I DONT KNOW BUT YOU COULD SAY IWAY IS STILL OVERPOWERD ASWELL SO NERF THAT TOO RIGHT.
dang i thought it was gonna only capitalize the first letter of each word like somone said
so sorry for caps then
imsystem
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Originally Posted by Avarre
Umm, technically spirits ARE souls, no? A soul is the spirit of a living creature...
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NinjaKai
In my opinion. Anything that is created as a result of a skill should be treated like a skill not a creature. I mean think about how much of a stupid bonus soul reaping will get as an attribute when ritualists come out. And how can a necromancer soul reap creature when it dyes if it's dead to begin with?
Avarre
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Originally Posted by imsystem
but if a soul dies does it leave a soul to reap
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Jiao Yang
If it really does have a big impact on iway, then maybe we will start gettting a bigger variety of teams in HA. Normally its: Iway, balanced, iway, iway,blood spike, iway iway iway iway iway. Maybe im unlucky, but all my teams seem to face too much iway.
thunderpower
First of all, if you played a decent blood spike, you know how important the spirit spammer is.
He really doesn't do any damage since he's bar is usually:
oath, whirling, dolyak, frozen, symb, fertile, whatever (maybe a trap), res
A good spirit spammer will run extremly high expertise so he will have all the energy in the world to drop spirits (with 2 energy cost). I played spirit spammer, and if you have a half brain, you can just spam spirits over and over again and see the +xx purple stuff flying around.
And yea, drain the spammer, right? How long do you think it takes to regen 2 energy or even to switch to a staff or whatever? You dont really expect that strategy to work, do you?
For Lady Lozza and whoever think that "spirits spam+energy from soul reaping" combo has no effect on blood spike, try run bs without those.
One more thing: "cogito ergo sum". Do that, think! Dont make me think you don't exist.
He really doesn't do any damage since he's bar is usually:
oath, whirling, dolyak, frozen, symb, fertile, whatever (maybe a trap), res
A good spirit spammer will run extremly high expertise so he will have all the energy in the world to drop spirits (with 2 energy cost). I played spirit spammer, and if you have a half brain, you can just spam spirits over and over again and see the +xx purple stuff flying around.
And yea, drain the spammer, right? How long do you think it takes to regen 2 energy or even to switch to a staff or whatever? You dont really expect that strategy to work, do you?
For Lady Lozza and whoever think that "spirits spam+energy from soul reaping" combo has no effect on blood spike, try run bs without those.
One more thing: "cogito ergo sum". Do that, think! Dont make me think you don't exist.
cainvonlucifer
lol... thers so many anti warrior and monk builds out there.. the only true build is a well balanced build.
Sekkira
A proper blood spike relies on the energy gain from soul reaping when they drop a target. If you need a spirit spammer for energy management (read: waste of slot), it's time to work on your spike. It's not hard to press a button at a specified time and press another button right after.
Englishkid
It is if your being e-denied and if you havn't got energy for the follow up your screwed tbh
skretth
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Originally Posted by thunderpower
First of all, if you played a decent blood spike, you know how important the spirit spammer is.
He really doesn't do any damage since he's bar is usually: oath, whirling, dolyak, frozen, symb, fertile, whatever (maybe a trap), res A good spirit spammer will run extremly high expertise so he will have all the energy in the world to drop spirits (with 2 energy cost). I played spirit spammer, and if you have a half brain, you can just spam spirits over and over again and see the +xx purple stuff flying around. And yea, drain the spammer, right? How long do you think it takes to regen 2 energy or even to switch to a staff or whatever? You dont really expect that strategy to work, do you? For Lady Lozza and whoever think that "spirits spam+energy from soul reaping" combo has no effect on blood spike, try run bs without those. One more thing: "cogito ergo sum". Do that, think! Dont make me think you don't exist. |
so yes, u can effectively run a spike without a spirit spammer, it just requires more skill and co-ordination.
Cyan The Archer
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Originally Posted by imsystem
but if a soul dies does it leave a soul to reap
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Burton2000
No because the spirit needs to die so the necro can "reap" the soul.
Cacheelma
ok, this spirit-has-soul-or-not thingy has pretty much nothing to do with its function whatsoever. really.
Unless you think that undeads having Divine Favor is "in-favor" for the game, that is.
Unless you think that undeads having Divine Favor is "in-favor" for the game, that is.
Avarre
Sure it is. Divine means of the gods, and Grenth is the god of the Dead. Nobody said that the favor in question had to be holy...
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Originally Posted by shezbian
Soul Reaping: For Every Creature... Honestly How Can A Spirit Be Considered A Creature Does It Do Damage Lol.
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unienaule
I'd just like to say that discussion of balance and whether or not spirits have souls are TOTALLY DIFFERENT ISSUES.
Kakumei
Shezbian is a TROLL. A blatant and obvious troll. Why are you feeding him?