Preparing for Factions

MSecorsky

MSecorsky

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

So Cal

The Sinister Vanguard

Me/

17 Apr 2006 at 22:38 - 81
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mordakai
Well, I achieved my main goal on Sunday: Amara is now Ascended and ready to go to Cantha. Now all I need to do is switch secondaries to Ranger, so I can get a pet Tiger. I'm easy to please!

I admire those who are "starting fresh." I'm just going to spend a day in Cantha with Amara, maybe seeing if I can find the 15k armor place.

Once the "head start" ends, I'll probably be focusing exclusively on my Ritualist / Ranger.
Don't forget the White Tigers... very good looking animals.

Ludi Cigan

Ludi Cigan

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

Croatia, Zagreb

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17 Apr 2006 at 23:30 - 82
Hm... Im not so rich so I have only this saved up for Factions

250k
500 Iron
500 Tanned
100 Ink
20 dyes
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That's all, think that will do

Misc Merik

Misc Merik

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

America

Fugitives of Kurzick (Fok)

W/

17 Apr 2006 at 23:33 - 83
110k and the mindset that is repeating to itself I will not buy unneeded new weapons I will not buy unneeded new weapons. Chances are Ill cave in and deck out my chars in awsome new factions stuff.

Vahn Roi

Vahn Roi

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2006

[HiDE]

18 Apr 2006 at 01:14 - 84
Final Check list.
  • 400k
  • Belt Pouch (x2)
  • Bag w/ Rune of Holding applied (x4)
  • 500 Hide
  • 500 Clothe
  • 500 Ink
  • Scroll of Hero's Insight (x20)
I plan on starting two new characters, thus the bags and scrolls. The ink is a no-brainer.


I had to make a whole new character just to hold these until factions...

Ludi Cigan

Ludi Cigan

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

Croatia, Zagreb

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18 Apr 2006 at 07:07 - 85
LoL how I can forget SCROLLLLLLLLLLLLS

Rex the Unloving

Rex the Unloving

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

California, U.S

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18 Apr 2006 at 08:30 - 86
why do we need ink?
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Gucio

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2006

Poland

Mo/W

18 Apr 2006 at 09:06 - 87
Nobody answered my question, so I'll ask again :will the ink price in factions raise? And will they be used to craft assasin and monk armor?

Snowman

Snowman

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

Wales, UK

Devils Scorpions

W/E

18 Apr 2006 at 09:47 - 88
Actually, although I am trying to save up some money and materials.. preparing for factions for me has been about completing anything I havnt yet done on prophecies.

all those bonus missions, Titan Quests, uncapped skills..

Oh and I've bought a new ASP server and in the middle of making a new site for my guild

I will try not to dip into my savings for my factions characters, I prefer each of my characters to be self fiananced and independant.

I rather enjoy adventuring and using the items I find rather than cheating and buying all the best armour / weapons to make things easier o_O

Makkert

Makkert

Black Beast of Aarrrrgghh

Join Date: May 2005

The Netherlands

The Biggyverse [PLEB] // Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

18 Apr 2006 at 11:37 - 89
* around 100 skillpoints spread over 3 chars
* 10k faction balthasar
* 10k faction luxon
* 200k
* various unlocks from the GWF preview events
* some materials

Ludi Cigan

Ludi Cigan

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

Croatia, Zagreb

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18 Apr 2006 at 13:22 - 90
Finally have all what I need (think so )



That is not all, no more space in Storage lol

And BTW, don't buy your Vials at trader, there is crafter for them near Yaks and Grendich. You need 4 Fibers, 1 temp. glass and 20g for 1 Black Vial.
You'll save ~80g per each Vial, that is alot if you need a lot of Vials

Vahn Roi

Vahn Roi

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2006

[HiDE]

18 Apr 2006 at 13:35 - 91
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rex the Unloving
why do we need ink?
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Ritualist armor, monk tats and (maybe) necro scars.

As for the question about the price of ink raising. I had always thought everything started at a set amount and increased in price due to sale popularity, all of the traders' prices are based on the purchases and sales of the players. If more people are buying, the price goes up, if more are selling, the price goes down. I do expect the price of Ink to raise, but only becuase more people will be buying it.

I'm surprised the price of dust and plant fibers hasn't gone up with the amount of people crafting Ink. I know I bought something like 2500 piles of dust and 2000 plant fibers last night.

doomqueen

doomqueen

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2006

18 Apr 2006 at 13:53 - 92
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ludi Cigan
Finally have all what I need (think so )



That is not all, no more space in Storage lol

And BTW, don't buy your Vials at trader, there is crafter for them near Yaks and Grendich. You need 4 Fibers, 1 temp. glass and 20g for 1 Black Vial.
You'll save ~80g per each Vial, that is alot if you need a lot of Vials

nice

MSecorsky

MSecorsky

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

So Cal

The Sinister Vanguard

Me/

18 Apr 2006 at 15:59 - 93
GAH! Brilliant!

Belt pouches and Bags! D'oh!

ilnadmy

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Apr 2006

The Black Hand Gang (BHG)

R/N

18 Apr 2006 at 18:31 - 94
Hmm let's see....around 7 plat...a few knick-knacks here and there....

Guess I'm starting fresh for Factions.

SirJackassIII

SirJackassIII

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

Belgium

none

N/E

18 Apr 2006 at 18:37 - 95
You would think people were smart enough to keep it low-low on materials that will be used in Factions' armours to make some money as people who weren't prepared buy loads of materials at the trader while you sell them for $$$.

Guess not...

Corinthian

Corinthian

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

18 Apr 2006 at 19:32 - 96
I farmed an excruciating amount of gold: 84k

boxterduke

boxterduke

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

Walking the ruins of Ascalon

DVDF

Me/

18 Apr 2006 at 19:39 - 97
I'm saving all the material that I can get.
Also buying ecto and shards incase the Ritualist FoW turns out to be Kick Ass.

I was planing to make all my weapons perfect but with the new skins coming out I'm saving the money for the mods and new weapons.

Vahn Roi

Vahn Roi

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2006

[HiDE]

18 Apr 2006 at 20:04 - 98
Quote:
Originally Posted by SirJackassIII
You would think people were smart enough to keep it low-low on materials that will be used in Factions' armours to make some money as people who weren't prepared buy loads of materials at the trader while you sell them for $$$.

Guess not...
Given the number of active members here and the total number of active players on GW, I think we can afford to help a few people out without killing our future profits

LordDeArnise

LordDeArnise

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

California, USA

The Elite Knights of Tarnia [PwnD]

18 Apr 2006 at 20:13 - 99
Quote:
Originally Posted by Corinthian
I farmed an excruciating amount of gold: 84k
That isn't much compared to what some hardcore people can make.

And how the heck did you get ganked for 1,406 pts of damage?

SnipiousMax

SnipiousMax

Perfectly Elocuted

Join Date: Sep 2005

18 Apr 2006 at 21:32 - 100
I'm gonna fall short of my 1 million gold before factions goal, by like 200k. So I'm gonna start rounding up 1.) Materials (ink, iron, hides, cloth) 2.) Belt Pouches and Bags 3.) Dyes

Vahn Roi

Vahn Roi

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2006

[HiDE]

18 Apr 2006 at 21:36 - 101
Ok Final Final Check list
  • Belt Pouch (x2)
  • Bag w/ RoH applied (x4)
  • Hide (x500)
  • Cloth (x500)
  • Ink (x500)
  • Steel (x250)
  • Scroll of Hero's Insight (x20)
  • Various Dyes (collected over time via drops)
  • 400k


Storage (left) Temp. Mule (right)

Take that Ludi

R A C

R A C

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2005

In my parent's basement

R/Mo

19 Apr 2006 at 03:47 - 102
Preparing for factions? well, I have a huge 2-3k saved up. Lol, I'm not saving up at all really. This morning before class I saw that I had enough money and skill points to unlock the ramaining dozen or so non-elite ranger skills on my main character, so I did. Leaving my ranger with about 300gp. I have enough crafting materials to make sure my new characters won't be begging. I'm pretty sure my ranger won't dump his hard-earned(roughly 2-3% farming) 15k druid's armor anytime soon. Unless of course there's a new canthan skin for +energy armor. Which I haven't heard about.

The Fox

The Fox

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2005

19 Apr 2006 at 03:53 - 103
Quote:
Originally Posted by R A C
Preparing for factions? well, I have a huge 2-3k saved up. Lol, I'm not saving up at all really. This morning before class I saw that I had enough money and skill points to unlock the ramaining dozen or so non-elite ranger skills on my main character, so I did. Leaving my ranger with about 300gp. I have enough crafting materials to make sure my new characters won't be begging. I'm pretty sure my ranger won't dump his hard-earned(roughly 2-3% farming) 15k druid's armor anytime soon. Unless of course there's a new canthan skin for +energy armor. Which I haven't heard about.
hehehe to the best of my understanding you can get the + energy stats on ALL of the new armor skins. Now go farm :P hehehe

seut

seut

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

Europa

19 Apr 2006 at 04:59 - 104
to shatter some delusions: during the last bwe before the release of prophecies i made a list of needed crafting materials... on release everything changed

Ludi Cigan

Ludi Cigan

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

Croatia, Zagreb

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19 Apr 2006 at 07:29 - 105
Nice list Vahn, but I'll be better !!!

joke, need only 150 more ink to finish collection, maybe some rare materials but I'll think about that

baz777

baz777

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

South East England

Leader: Lady Hairy Armpits S[mell]

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19 Apr 2006 at 10:17 - 106
Not made my mind up regarding new character/s yet so no crafting materials

1400k
50 - Ecto
20 - black dye
5 - Superior Vigor

May sells the Ecto’s before Factions.

kvndoom

kvndoom

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

Communistwealth of Virginia

Uninstalled

W/Mo

19 Apr 2006 at 10:36 - 107
The big question, the ONLY question that matters, is where will the market in Factions start? If it's a virgin market, then the economy will be destroyed as soon as someone makes it to the first trader outpost. 100g black dyes and superior runes? Who wouldn't have a field day on that? Or will initial prices be on parallel with the Prophecies market, even though they're two different games? Either way it's gonna get ugly fast.

If you're a new player and Factions is your first GW game, you'll go in with no money. It won't be a week before the most popular runes, dyes, materials, and weapons will be prohibitively expensive. Sure I have a lot of assets from grinding Chapter 1 for almost a year, but I feel for someone starting fresh. If the market starts low so that new players can afford stuff, rich greedy folks will snap up everything they can buy on day one and the economy is fuxxored right out the box. If it starts high to keep the fatcats from snarfing up everything (which they still will), then new players STILL won't be able to afford anything.

In my opinion, the Factions economy will be stillborn. The divide between rich and poor will be much worse than it is in chapter 1.

I should add that as more chapters are released, players who can farm items (weapons, shields, etc) whose skins are exclusive to older games and then bring them to the new games stand to make a killing.

Mordakai

Mordakai

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2005

Kyhlo

W/

19 Apr 2006 at 14:09 - 108
Quote:
Originally Posted by kvndoom
The big question, the ONLY question that matters, is where will the market in Factions start? If it's a virgin market, then the economy will be destroyed as soon as someone makes it to the first trader outpost. 100g black dyes and superior runes? Who wouldn't have a field day on that? Or will initial prices be on parallel with the Prophecies market, even though they're two different games? Either way it's gonna get ugly fast.
There's no way Anet would reset the Faction traders! It will be a global economy. It won't get ugly, it will be the same as when I started playing Guild Wars - I realized I'd never be able to afford Rune of Superior Vigor and then realized that it really didn't matter.

It did not make the game any less fun. (in a way, it's more fun, because I know if I ever do find an expensive Rune I can sell it and finally be "rich". Such is the possibility of any new players...)

Mai

Mai

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Needs Moar[DESU]

Mo/

19 Apr 2006 at 15:16 - 109
Quote:
Originally Posted by kvndoom
The big question, the ONLY question that matters, is where will the market in Factions start? If it's a virgin market, then the economy will be destroyed as soon as someone makes it to the first trader outpost. 100g black dyes and superior runes? Who wouldn't have a field day on that? Or will initial prices be on parallel with the Prophecies market, even though they're two different games? Either way it's gonna get ugly fast.

If you're a new player and Factions is your first GW game, you'll go in with no money. It won't be a week before the most popular runes, dyes, materials, and weapons will be prohibitively expensive. Sure I have a lot of assets from grinding Chapter 1 for almost a year, but I feel for someone starting fresh. If the market starts low so that new players can afford stuff, rich greedy folks will snap up everything they can buy on day one and the economy is fuxxored right out the box. If it starts high to keep the fatcats from snarfing up everything (which they still will), then new players STILL won't be able to afford anything.

In my opinion, the Factions economy will be stillborn. The divide between rich and poor will be much worse than it is in chapter 1.

I should add that as more chapters are released, players who can farm items (weapons, shields, etc) whose skins are exclusive to older games and then bring them to the new games stand to make a killing.
A virgin economy would make the economy worse for the GW community as a whole. People will just buy the "high in demand stuff" and resell it at a ridiculous price because they almost have a virtual "monopoly" on the item. As someone said before "the rich will get richer and the poor will just get poorer."

New players have to realize that dyes and runes are a luxury not a necessity in completing and enjoying the game. Craftings mats are usually low priced in terms of going to the mats trader and picking up what you need. Weapons are much easier to get around since most collecters in the game give the equivalant of a "perfect" weapon anyways minus the "spiffy" skin of course. (I.E a 20/20 rod/staff, 15^50 sword from weapon crafter in drok, desert collecters, blah blah etc etc.)

Studio Ghibli

Studio Ghibli

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2005

Gaelic Storm

19 Apr 2006 at 15:39 - 110
I was under the impression Factions was going to use entirely different components for its armor.

Am I mistaken in believing this?

forever

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

19 Apr 2006 at 15:48 - 111
I don't think Factions armor would use entirely different materials, most common materials will remain the same and some currently unused rare materials may have a use in Factions and probably several new materials introduced, but it's impossible they would totally change all the materials.

Eclair

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

19 Apr 2006 at 16:48 - 112
Why would Factiosn not share the same economy?

Outside of Superior Vigor/Absoprtion, Sup Monk runes, and maybe a few Sup warrior runes, all of the runes are extremely cheap from the trader. In fact, new faction players would have far better access to runes than us when we started prophecies.

Dyes well, are more of a luxury, and only black dyes are expensive.

I'm sure the new players will be fine.

Corinthian

Corinthian

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

19 Apr 2006 at 17:57 - 113
Quote:
Originally Posted by LordDeArnise
That isn't much compared to what some hardcore people can make.

And how the heck did you get ganked for 1,406 pts of damage?
Took on a hydra while frenzied without armor, and used Healing Signet.
I find farming an extremely unpleasant task. I can't do FoW or UW alone, I don't get lucky with FoW chests, I don't get greens from Tombs or SF... So I farm hydras, I get about 4k each run in items and salvage materials. Takes about 30 minutes.

And if I get money, I usually spend it on something, I can't even remember where the cash from some superior monk runes went into. I always have something to buy and then I'm broke. I won't be playing until Factions is released, to keep that sum safe.

Ludi Cigan

Ludi Cigan

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

Croatia, Zagreb

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19 Apr 2006 at 18:18 - 114
That's the spirit of real player, we all should be like him and all ppl who are like he is... Money isn't improtant so much if you are happy with your items and have nice friends in guild, so never be disappoined 'bout cash.

Spiteful Soul

Spiteful Soul

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

FoW

N/A

N/

19 Apr 2006 at 18:47 - 115
I have 10k saved up and 8 piles of dust....
I soo cant wait for next weak

nomed

nomed

Banned

Join Date: Feb 2006

19 Apr 2006 at 19:32 - 116
the armor in factions isn't any better than the one in prophecies... at least armorclass-wise.

MSecorsky

MSecorsky

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

So Cal

The Sinister Vanguard

Me/

19 Apr 2006 at 19:34 - 117
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomed
the armor in factions isn't any better than the one in prophecies... at least armorclass-wise.
No, but the ranger armor just looks great. That might even be my first few trips... new armors for Prophecies characters.

Sai of Winter

Sai of Winter

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

[ale]

Mo/

19 Apr 2006 at 20:38 - 118
Not much....



...but it's still growing

Rebirther

Rebirther

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2005

England, UK

Clan Dethryche

Mo/Me

20 Apr 2006 at 12:40 - 119
Getting there, taking a big investment for Factions.

Apart from the obvious:
2x Energy +5 Staff Upgrade
1x 20% Enchantment Staff Upgrade
1x 30HP Staff Upgrade




Hopefully this will get me started...



MSecorsky

MSecorsky

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

So Cal

The Sinister Vanguard

Me/

21 Apr 2006 at 15:18 - 120
Phew. Got some spare belt pouches and runes bags for my new ones now. Very glad someone mentioned that.