I was almost thinking of leaving Guild Wars because there is no chance for me anymore. As I new player to Guild Wars I obviously have a low rank (Rank 3). As everyone here knows Hero's Ascent is all about the rank. So I join the lesser groups in hope that one of them will get me some fame. Unfortunately this never happens my group RARLY ever wins. I would say I win 1 in every 10 rounds, which is about 1 fame every 2 hours if I am lucky. Today I played for 8 hours and got 0 fame. At this rate I will never get past rank 3. I know most people will say go join a guild but pvp guilds require high rank. I seem to be in a never-ending circle! I can't get into a guild because I am not a high rank. I try and join a group to get rank but those also require high rank. I just can't imagine what Guild Wars will be like years from now... New players will be totally screwed! Right now I am just thinking of going to Ebay and buying a high ranked account because I will never get past rank 3.
Heroes’ Ascent Frustration
Toxage
I am getting very frustrated with Heroes’ Ascent right now! I was almost thinking of leaving Guild Wars because there is no chance for me anymore. As I new player to Guild Wars I obviously have a low rank (Rank 3). As everyone here knows Hero's Ascent is all about the rank. So I join the lesser groups in hope that one of them will get me some fame. Unfortunately this never happens my group RARLY ever wins. I would say I win 1 in every 10 rounds, which is about 1 fame every 2 hours if I am lucky. Today I played for 8 hours and got 0 fame. At this rate I will never get past rank 3. I know most people will say go join a guild but pvp guilds require high rank. I seem to be in a never-ending circle! I can't get into a guild because I am not a high rank. I try and join a group to get rank but those also require high rank. I just can't imagine what Guild Wars will be like years from now... New players will be totally screwed! Right now I am just thinking of going to Ebay and buying a high ranked account because I will never get past rank 3.
I was almost thinking of leaving Guild Wars because there is no chance for me anymore. As I new player to Guild Wars I obviously have a low rank (Rank 3). As everyone here knows Hero's Ascent is all about the rank. So I join the lesser groups in hope that one of them will get me some fame. Unfortunately this never happens my group RARLY ever wins. I would say I win 1 in every 10 rounds, which is about 1 fame every 2 hours if I am lucky. Today I played for 8 hours and got 0 fame. At this rate I will never get past rank 3. I know most people will say go join a guild but pvp guilds require high rank. I seem to be in a never-ending circle! I can't get into a guild because I am not a high rank. I try and join a group to get rank but those also require high rank. I just can't imagine what Guild Wars will be like years from now... New players will be totally screwed! Right now I am just thinking of going to Ebay and buying a high ranked account because I will never get past rank 3.
Murder In China
You know you could always make a group instead of joining one.
And besides, even if you did ebay for an account with a high rank, you'll still suck. Just because you have rank doesn't always mean you're good. It only means you know the maps.
And besides, even if you did ebay for an account with a high rank, you'll still suck. Just because you have rank doesn't always mean you're good. It only means you know the maps.
Toxage
If rank doesn't mean your good than why do all the groups and guilds require high rank?
Murder In China
They're narrow-minded.
Francis Demeules
I wanted to try HA for my first time (Im PvE'er and I already get knowledge in RA/TA and I want to do something more) before seeing this thread. If ppl dont want you in the group, its because they want pro..... erm..... "experienced players". Even a newb in HA has his chance to be more experienced. Why not take them too. Everyone was a newb when you started to play GW. You were a newb for the first time you're doing HoH. Let, at least, one your team to make him/her more experienced instead to make more beggers at HA.
SnipiousMax
Unfortunately people are fiercely competative in HA, they want to win. They need people they know are familiar with the maps, and the general strageties involved with HA. Unfortunately, this is a "the higher rank get higher, and the lower rank stays low" situation...
I don't forsee a change any time soon, and I don't hold it against the people that frequent the place. But if you really wanted to gain rank, you NEED to join a fiercely PvP guild. Going with a guild group is better than any pickup group 9/10 times. That's how you get fame, not with pickup groups.
I don't forsee a change any time soon, and I don't hold it against the people that frequent the place. But if you really wanted to gain rank, you NEED to join a fiercely PvP guild. Going with a guild group is better than any pickup group 9/10 times. That's how you get fame, not with pickup groups.
Sekkira
This arguement is stupid. And done to death.
"What about all the newbies will no rank? They can't get into high ranked groups!"
What about the newbies with low rank? There'll be tons of them. There ARE tons of them. Join them. Get rank. You all say that we all used to be newbies, which is true, but we didn't look for high ranked groups to join. We made our own rank with others who had no rank.
Learn to play.
"What about all the newbies will no rank? They can't get into high ranked groups!"
What about the newbies with low rank? There'll be tons of them. There ARE tons of them. Join them. Get rank. You all say that we all used to be newbies, which is true, but we didn't look for high ranked groups to join. We made our own rank with others who had no rank.
Learn to play.
Phoenix Ex
No, people didn't use to look for high ranked group because everyone started at the same level so everyone has a chance to win, and since there were not as much rank difference people can't use it to discriminate others.
Its kinda hard to "learn to play" when you can't even get into a decent group that get past first map.
Its kinda hard to "learn to play" when you can't even get into a decent group that get past first map.
TideSwayer
If video killed the radio star, fame killed PvP. Somebody can get fame just by hitching a ride with some expert guild, using a build that isn't in any way original, and I'm supposed to automatically believe that these people are better than a player who knows the game's ins and outs, with low fame, surrounded by players who aren't good enough to help him acquire said fame? Fame is for the little kids to have something to dream about and brag over. I couldn't care less about that schoolyard crap. It's just a number to me, revered by tons of players who couldn't tell you one thing about Guild Wars numerics (damage computation, etc.).
I do believe that knowledge of the PvP maps and gametypes are important to know, however, but again I don't think fame is necessarily the deciding factor of having that knowledge or not. The bottom line is, if you aren't good enough at picking skills that compliment your teammates' or even picking out situations when using said skills would be worthwhile, then you shouldn't be PvP'ing at all, or at the very least, not spamming your /rank emotes like you're king of the world. Still, PvP does need some kind of measuring stick and winning and losing is the only way apparently of how good an individual is, in a team game. At least, the majority seem to think so.
I do believe that knowledge of the PvP maps and gametypes are important to know, however, but again I don't think fame is necessarily the deciding factor of having that knowledge or not. The bottom line is, if you aren't good enough at picking skills that compliment your teammates' or even picking out situations when using said skills would be worthwhile, then you shouldn't be PvP'ing at all, or at the very least, not spamming your /rank emotes like you're king of the world. Still, PvP does need some kind of measuring stick and winning and losing is the only way apparently of how good an individual is, in a team game. At least, the majority seem to think so.
Dr Strangelove
You know, I used to feel the same way as the OP. After 700+ hours of PvE with random arenas thrown in for about 40k faction, I decided to give it a shot yesterday.
I now am the proud owner of 18 fame and have been to the Hall of Heroes only to have by butt handed to me by Battery Powered Best Friend. I also am earning faction many times faster than I was in random arena.
Are there ranked groups? Yes. Are there also unranked groups? Yes again. Would any top PVP guild in its right mind take a random new player into the guild, or even in their group? Nope, and neither would you if you had the option. The unranked people complaining about rank are simply people who would do the exact same thing if they had rank 9+.
If you really want to play there, take a look at some of the cookie cutter builds that leave all the time with PUGs. For all the flak IWAY catches, it's a great way to get some experience. Many of the roles in a balanced build should already be familiar if you have played through PVE. The galdiator's arena section of the forum can be helpful here, or you could simply look at what people are asking for and find out what that is. Whether you do that by directly asking in game (which will probably get you flamed by teh uber l33t players), figuring it out yourself, or looking it up online is up to you.
The fact is that there are plenty of oppurtunities for new players in HA which will help you leanr how to play in there, which sadly, you and I just don't quite get yet. I'd be more than happy to form an unranked group with you anytime, even if we lose, it's still more fun than sitting around doing nothing.
IGN: Dr Strangelove
I now am the proud owner of 18 fame and have been to the Hall of Heroes only to have by butt handed to me by Battery Powered Best Friend. I also am earning faction many times faster than I was in random arena.
Are there ranked groups? Yes. Are there also unranked groups? Yes again. Would any top PVP guild in its right mind take a random new player into the guild, or even in their group? Nope, and neither would you if you had the option. The unranked people complaining about rank are simply people who would do the exact same thing if they had rank 9+.
If you really want to play there, take a look at some of the cookie cutter builds that leave all the time with PUGs. For all the flak IWAY catches, it's a great way to get some experience. Many of the roles in a balanced build should already be familiar if you have played through PVE. The galdiator's arena section of the forum can be helpful here, or you could simply look at what people are asking for and find out what that is. Whether you do that by directly asking in game (which will probably get you flamed by teh uber l33t players), figuring it out yourself, or looking it up online is up to you.
The fact is that there are plenty of oppurtunities for new players in HA which will help you leanr how to play in there, which sadly, you and I just don't quite get yet. I'd be more than happy to form an unranked group with you anytime, even if we lose, it's still more fun than sitting around doing nothing.
IGN: Dr Strangelove
fiery
Leaving cause of rank, what's with the sudden upburst to gain rank. If rank wasn't your main problem, would you still be playing?
video killed the radio star <-- love that song.
video killed the radio star <-- love that song.
methionin3
dude dont complain, i spent the past 4 days getting to r2, but i know im better than that. just beleive in yourself and follow your heart. thats what i do...
Ole Man Bourbon
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No, people didn't use to look for high ranked group because everyone started at the same level so everyone has a chance to win, and since there were not as much rank difference people can't use it to discriminate others.
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Celios
Did it ever occur to you that no one was born rank 9? We all had to slog through just as much fame as you.
jackie
I can say from experience that almost every player who starts to play in HA goes through the same sh#t.
People start from scratch and have problems in the first map. But eventually builds and tactics become familiar and passing the first map under 30s isn't a problem anymore.
You just have to keep in mind that while PvP is actually very fun, it is also very demanding and you seriously have to think about strategy and the builds.
Basic tips to forming a pug group is to first decide the teams build. Then start asking around for players. Not just blind joining and inviting anybody. After you have gathered your group or joined in one, take some time to talk about tactics. Who will keep monks shut or which one interrupts zainshen eles wards etc...
Another thing is that when you play a lot in HA, you become familiar with the other players and maybe get some friends. It is way much easier and nicer to get together with people you already know. Team work is important.
I started playing PvP in last October without a guild and even without any friends because we all had strong PvE backround. It took some time to get to rank 6 because many enemy groups we faced were IWAY groups and they smashed us in the start, but eventually I've learned all the builds that run in HA and the best ways to counter them so getting to rank 9 was just matter of time.
I started from scratch and got up there and I'm positive you can do the same. If you play with your brain one day you'll be holding Halls. It is just a matter of team work.
People start from scratch and have problems in the first map. But eventually builds and tactics become familiar and passing the first map under 30s isn't a problem anymore.
You just have to keep in mind that while PvP is actually very fun, it is also very demanding and you seriously have to think about strategy and the builds.
Basic tips to forming a pug group is to first decide the teams build. Then start asking around for players. Not just blind joining and inviting anybody. After you have gathered your group or joined in one, take some time to talk about tactics. Who will keep monks shut or which one interrupts zainshen eles wards etc...
Another thing is that when you play a lot in HA, you become familiar with the other players and maybe get some friends. It is way much easier and nicer to get together with people you already know. Team work is important.
I started playing PvP in last October without a guild and even without any friends because we all had strong PvE backround. It took some time to get to rank 6 because many enemy groups we faced were IWAY groups and they smashed us in the start, but eventually I've learned all the builds that run in HA and the best ways to counter them so getting to rank 9 was just matter of time.
I started from scratch and got up there and I'm positive you can do the same. If you play with your brain one day you'll be holding Halls. It is just a matter of team work.
D.E.V.i.A.N.C.E
WTB 996 fame for 1K each, seriously I'd rather farm then pay for a guild so I could tag along in HA than make groups / find them...
2hr's of spamming heal monk is a wasted effort(coulda been farming)
All I want is a wolf, you can keep your tigers n such, I just want a wolf.
oh and that "join iway" doesnt work so well, I tried for 2hrs aswell in HA last week, not a single invite or pm.
2hr's of spamming heal monk is a wasted effort(coulda been farming)
All I want is a wolf, you can keep your tigers n such, I just want a wolf.
oh and that "join iway" doesnt work so well, I tried for 2hrs aswell in HA last week, not a single invite or pm.
Siliconwafer
Most people went through the same thing. I started tombing when most people started getting their R9. I joined the unranked pugs. I played, lost, but had fun because I was learning. I admit to some that it's a kick in the teeth, but those that don't complain about the situation and just play whatever HA they can each night will get ranked faster.
To those who have trouble finding competent unranked players? Form your own groups. Take a tried and true build (not necessarily IWAY). Know what each character does, and explain it slowly and surely to each person. Invite them on vent. Call the strats. Heck, they don't even have to be good strats-you'll learn quickly anyway. A plus side of organising your own groups is that you also get more friends.
It's a little more work, but if you work for your fame, it's going to come quicker.
I get your point, and I have met decently ranked players who seem to bring the wrong skills, or are pretty bad at their jobs. However, I think you underestimate the value of experience. It is one thing to know what a skill does, to know when to use it, and to know its ins and outs-and another thing to keep all of that in mind when you're actually playing.
And besides, I think there's a tombs frustration thread in the HA forum.
To those who have trouble finding competent unranked players? Form your own groups. Take a tried and true build (not necessarily IWAY). Know what each character does, and explain it slowly and surely to each person. Invite them on vent. Call the strats. Heck, they don't even have to be good strats-you'll learn quickly anyway. A plus side of organising your own groups is that you also get more friends.
It's a little more work, but if you work for your fame, it's going to come quicker.
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I do believe that knowledge of the PvP maps and gametypes are important to know, however, but again I don't think fame is necessarily the deciding factor of having that knowledge or not. The bottom line is, if you aren't good enough at picking skills that compliment your teammates' or even picking out situations when using said skills would be worthwhile, then you shouldn't be PvP'ing at all, or at the very least, not spamming your /rank emotes like you're king of the world.
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And besides, I think there's a tombs frustration thread in the HA forum.
tomcruisejr
all those who have higher rank than you had the same experience as well. just be patient. form your groups and try to maintain connections. who knows, one day, you and your team mates (or future guildmates) will dominate the HA.
when most of us were low ranked, we didnt aspire to belong to rank 9 groups. we just consistently played together and all turned out well for us.
goodluck.
when most of us were low ranked, we didnt aspire to belong to rank 9 groups. we just consistently played together and all turned out well for us.
goodluck.
Angelina
exept that all you played was iway so maybe your rank means nothing. anyway, don't play iway to get a cool emote and join ranked group, because most of the times you will suck and will be kicked. groups usually don't play with known iwayers, depsite their rank.
Francis Demeules
I decided. Tonight, when I will finish to work, I'll try my first shot at HA with my ranger. I just hope to get one group. I already know how it works (By pressing "B" in a outpost and see).
ThePadawan
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If rank doesn't mean your good than why do all the groups and guilds require high rank?
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Riken Chrono
ur saying you have a low rank...i'ev played for 8 or 9 months constantly without touching anotehr game and im rank 1....im not very good at PvP PvE is my thing
nohooiam
please give me a break with the not getting any rank complaint.
i was stuck at r8 forever trying to break through the r9 barrier and NOBODY gave me a hand in letting me into their r9 group, yet somehow i managed.
it seems like all everybody wants these days are free hand outs to ranked groups so they tag along on the ride.
im all for rank discrimination, as this forces players to really step up, not just in terms of play ability, but also in group organization and leadership.
also, the arguement about not being able to get into groups or guilds due to a low rank doesn't even make any sense. if the player really had talent, then they would get noticed and picked up by a group/guild very quickly.
i was stuck at r8 forever trying to break through the r9 barrier and NOBODY gave me a hand in letting me into their r9 group, yet somehow i managed.
it seems like all everybody wants these days are free hand outs to ranked groups so they tag along on the ride.
im all for rank discrimination, as this forces players to really step up, not just in terms of play ability, but also in group organization and leadership.
also, the arguement about not being able to get into groups or guilds due to a low rank doesn't even make any sense. if the player really had talent, then they would get noticed and picked up by a group/guild very quickly.
allience
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please give me a break with the not getting any rank complaint.
i was stuck at r8 forever trying to break through the r9 barrier and NOBODY gave me a hand in letting me into their r9 group, yet somehow i managed. it seems like all everybody wants these days are free hand outs to ranked groups so they tag along on the ride. im all for rank discrimination, as this forces players to really step up, not just in terms of play ability, but also in group organization and leadership. also, the arguement about not being able to get into groups or guilds due to a low rank doesn't even make any sense. if the player really had talent, then they would get noticed and picked up by a group/guild very quickly. |
it's true that it's hard to gain fame for the first ranks. i came from a pve background a few months ago and now i'm on my way to r9. it was annoying till i hit r6. but by always playing in the same places, i managed to get friends. the key to HA success is team work and playing with the right ppl.
if you're good at something, u WILL get noticed and other ppl will invite u again to their groups. i think it's good to specialise in 1 class rather than playing anything so-so.
best advice i can give you is to keep trying. HA is a place for determined ppl ;p
Arkyn sei
You cant "Leave" Guild wars , Guild wars is EVERYWHERE!!!!! :P
Count to Potato
Your rank 3 so u should be getting into more groups?
Riken Chrono
maybe dont do PvP? try FoW or UW its much more profitable then trying to get to HoH then get a sigil when you could have gotten lots of ectos and shards.
just my sugesstion for something to try out if your ascended already
just my sugesstion for something to try out if your ascended already
Lord Iowerth
Siliconwafer
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maybe dont do PvP? try FoW or UW its much more profitable then trying to get to HoH then get a sigil when you could have gotten lots of ectos and shards.
just my sugesstion for something to try out if your ascended already |
The Real Roy Keane
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maybe dont do PvP? try FoW or UW its much more profitable then trying to get to HoH then get a sigil when you could have gotten lots of ectos and shards.
just my sugesstion for something to try out if your ascended already |
fiery
I rather have my name broadcasted than fame/rank or an HOH chest item.
Angelina
You want a shiny rank emote to show in pve, so you play iway to get it so you can play with your iway w/mo converted into a w/r ?
go back to pve thanks.
go back to pve thanks.
SeekerTruth
HA i wish i had that problem I can't seem to figure out how to get to HA or HoH im really confused because no one i meet knows how to get there. Everyone says they just had it (HA that is not HoH) please help me. And i dont know the purpose of HoH do you get money there or is it just a chest like my guildie says.
ames
no sympathy from me... it took me FOREVER to get r9, like 7 months.. start from the bottom like the rest of us did.. do you expect an r9+ guild just to be like "hey we're 7/8 wanna come join us?" NO! jeeze...
jackie
And Rank is something that you don't go and just take to yourself like: "Oh let's see, if I farm two hours I'll propably get a rank".
Rank is achieved by dedication to the tactics & builds.
Rank is achieved by dedication to the tactics & builds.
MrScaRy
The stupid thing about rank is that half the people who have high ranks IWAY'd their way up there and then they switch to builds other than IWAY and scream "r9++++ BALANCED LF BLAHBLAH EMOTE AT HENCHIES" when half the time they have no idea whatsoever of how to even play a balanced build. I mean, IWAY yourself up there and try to play a monk or something and you'll get screamed at, and kicked out.
I've been into groups that are claimed "r3/6+ rspikes" when their caller who was definitely an IWAY'd r6 fool "call targets" for their spikers when he doesn't even know what the hell a jump test is. I mean, give me a break. I've been in better unranked r2 groups than these r3/6 rspikes.
IMO, guild groups looking for r3/6 people are also retarded mainly because they are looking for people who know how to play, but their own guild members have no idea how to play. A lot of the times i've seen "r3/6" guild groups looking for sb/infuse or whatever for their build and then one of their members immediately sets off the timer for the zaishen for no apparent reason.
And lastly, rank means jackcrap when it comes to practicality if you've IWAY'd yourself up there.
I've been into groups that are claimed "r3/6+ rspikes" when their caller who was definitely an IWAY'd r6 fool "call targets" for their spikers when he doesn't even know what the hell a jump test is. I mean, give me a break. I've been in better unranked r2 groups than these r3/6 rspikes.
IMO, guild groups looking for r3/6 people are also retarded mainly because they are looking for people who know how to play, but their own guild members have no idea how to play. A lot of the times i've seen "r3/6" guild groups looking for sb/infuse or whatever for their build and then one of their members immediately sets off the timer for the zaishen for no apparent reason.
And lastly, rank means jackcrap when it comes to practicality if you've IWAY'd yourself up there.
Alleji
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The stupid thing about rank is that half the people who have high ranks IWAY'd their way up there and then they switch to builds other than IWAY and scream "r9++++ BALANCED LF BLAHBLAH EMOTE AT HENCHIES" when half the time they have no idea whatsoever of how to even play a balanced build. I mean, IWAY yourself up there and try to play a monk or something and you'll get screamed at, and kicked out.
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When was the last time you've seen somebody IWAY their way to r9? 4000 fame. IWAY hardly ever wins anything past burial mounds. How many years would it take you to farm 4000 fame in chunks of 3?
I can imagine somebody very patient (and stupid) IWAYing to 1000 fame, but r9? Riiight.
pigdestroyer
if non-ranked people are as skilled as some of you say, well form a non-ranked group and own heroes ascent
Daithi the wolf
You can't expect victory in HA from random PUGS.Most cases are a bunch of inexperienced players hoping to grab a few fame.If you join a party thats looks like its disorganised or has no strategy, then leave.I'd rather wait around another couple of minutes and find a better party then rush in with a random PUG and get destroyed by a spike team.
You should try to make guild teams also, its never a good idea to place to much faith in PUGs.
You should try to make guild teams also, its never a good idea to place to much faith in PUGs.
Gmr Leon
The frustration I've found with HA is being kicked out of groups who want me to have some skill for IWAY(or spikes) and yet don't mention it in the beginning and then yell at me for not using the skill I don't have or have,but didn't know to bring.
Let me use my build and let it not be dictated the groups selfish wants.
Let me use my build and let it not be dictated the groups selfish wants.