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Studio Ghibli

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2005

Gaelic Storm

25 Apr 2006 at 15:59 - 81

.. what Phaern said.

And if people insist otherwise, those with enough common sense to rectify the issue are usually a post or two away.

As for "child labor slaves," the reason I've been paying so much attention to -these- forums is to address that specific issue, that those conditions don't exist, that these people don't exist, that the money they earn from doing this in the first place is far above any concept of slave wage.

Elona Reach?

Bots!

Bots, all of them!

With a possible human driver checking up on them now and then.

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I'm watching them right now. It's so weird.

I can hear the Silent Hill music in my head as they move forward, run into the wall, then turn around and walk toward the shopkeeper.

'cause that's what they're all doing.

Even some in the American district now.

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Seriously!

It's a surprise they're still there after all of this!

You can just sit here and watch them!

They're all doing more or less the same thing!

1) Running up against the wall, walking against the wall, and then turning to the shopkeeper.

2) Running past the shopkeeper, hitting the wall, then turning around back to him.

Sagius Truthbarron

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

Animal Factory [ZoO]

A/

25 Apr 2006 at 16:10 - 82

Quote:

Originally Posted by Studio Ghibli

With a possible human driver checking up on them now and then.

I whispered all of them several times. Not one response. No driver.

warren_kn

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

London, England

25 Apr 2006 at 16:18 - 83

All standing in EXACTLY the same spot, then follow same route at 1 second intervals then dissappear. Wait a bit and they all come back again in the same order

Sagius Truthbarron

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

Animal Factory [ZoO]

A/

25 Apr 2006 at 16:27 - 84

I met a friendly fellow from Canton looking to buy a "farm bot" through Paypal. Appearently farm botting has gotten to be kind of like Gryphon soling or something, alot of people trying to cash in? o.o

He said he wants to "test it and see how it works"

Riceboi

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

25 Apr 2006 at 16:54 - 85

Quote:

Originally Posted by aron searle

Ill bet money you were wearing an item of clothing made in a sweatshop whilst you typed that.

Owned!!!

LoKi Foxfire

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

Florida

One Corgi Army {OCA}

R/Rt

25 Apr 2006 at 18:15 - 86

It's entirely possible that they haven't been banned yet because A-net is waiting for the botters to actually sell their gold to someone so they can immediately ban the buyer and seller with one fell swoop. :]

Big Tony

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2006

Currently guildless

25 Apr 2006 at 18:56 - 87

I dont see why Ebay isnt doing something about it. Shouldn't it be a public image problem for them? "Buy slave labor on Ebay Today!"

Gli

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

25 Apr 2006 at 19:09 - 88

Actually, if I were ANet, I would give every bot account a few weeks time to purchase Factions before slapping a ban on them.

$ * (lots of bots) = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

aron searle

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/

25 Apr 2006 at 20:17 - 89

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Tony

I dont see why Ebay isnt doing something about it. Shouldn't it be a public image problem for them? "Buy slave labor on Ebay Today!"

Why does slavery keep getting mentioned (not a personal attack i reliese this is humor but its not the only mention)

I think some people have no idea what slave labour is

slaves dont get paid, and dont have freedom.

Also i dont think Ebay want to do anything as it makes them money, also i dont think Ebay themselves are breaking any laws and hence Anet cant stop them, just ban the accounts concerned.

Big Tony

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2006

Currently guildless

25 Apr 2006 at 22:21 - 90

It was a joke for sure aron and I agree it isn't exactly slavery. I'm just trying to point to the human rights issue. Should anyone be forced (yes, forced, by a crappy economy) to work long hours for low wages?
Really though, I just wanted to say why haven't we heard anything from Ebay regarding this? If there's so many articles in journals and newspapers discussing the "horrors" of cyber-sweatshops, and each article states that the bulk of the online gold trade is through Ebay, and even video game makers are saying that it hurts the online economy, shouldnt they be taking some action? or at least saying SOMETHING about it?

Jeremy Untouchable

Wow Stole my freetime

Join Date: Mar 2006

Arkansas

None

W/E

25 Apr 2006 at 22:33 - 91

Quote:

Originally Posted by aron searle

I love these threads, all the people jumping on there high-horse to say how wrong this is.

What is the point of this thread, are we supposed to boycott all products that are made in china because of the way workers are treated?

Yea lets all do that, lets make China an even poorer country. Lets stop buying its products, lets make them close the factories that use cheap labour, lets make them sack the workers as they are no longer needed, lets make those cheap labourers earn nothing instead of a pittance.

If you didnt notice, your tv, shoes, cloths, stereo may be made in china, And probable earnt less than what these botters get. So unless you dont buy any product "made in china", your being pretty hypocritacal complaining about this.

Im not justifying EBAY items/gold, but condeming it on the grounds the workers are paid cr*p is a load of baloni.

jesh, Anet should just put a person to randomlly checking this people...

Two April Mornings

No Luck No Time No Money

Join Date: Nov 2005

Amherst College, MA

Scars Meadows [SMS]

Me/

25 Apr 2006 at 22:35 - 92

these guys are indeed real, you can join them on their farm trips if you say "you get all drops"

natuxatu

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

Wisconsin

Rt/Mo

25 Apr 2006 at 22:39 - 93

Quote:

Originally Posted by Two April Mornings

these guys are indeed real, you can join them on their farm trips if you say "you get all drops"

Can anyone else confirm that? I was just about to try it out myself but thought i didn't want to get in trouble in case they are running some sort of program... which is also the question.. people say they are not bots but are clearly running a program... isn't that against the user agreement... i would imagine it would be..

Noz Crow

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2006

R/Mo

25 Apr 2006 at 23:17 - 94

My feeling is this, if Anet didn't want people farming they would not have made wealth so hard to come by. I'm not saying buying gold is right or that bots are good (because i hate the darn things for messing drops up), but people play the game in a way that is fun for them and so far none of this has hurt the GW economy. Heck we need these chinese gold farmers in our own US economy maybe gas would not be $3.00 a gallon if we could buy a quick 100k us on ebay for gw gold. The funniest part of GW for me has nothing to do with gold or superior weapons, it's the missions and quests. Because of missions and quests the economy will survive no matter what. Bottom line.

Baseball is wrong! A man with 4 balls cannot walk!

LifeInfusion

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

in the midline

E/Mo

26 Apr 2006 at 00:17 - 95

Arena net should still try to stop it...the gold is still being ebayed, which is against ToS

mint

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

NYC

26 Apr 2006 at 00:59 - 96

Quote:

Originally Posted by natuxatu

Can anyone else confirm that? I was just about to try it out myself but thought i didn't want to get in trouble in case they are running some sort of program... which is also the question.. people say they are not bots but are clearly running a program... isn't that against the user agreement... i would imagine it would be..

well, none of them have let me join in my random invites, but I've been randomly invited by a few and brought outside. They then proceeded farming as if I wasn't there....and they weren't very good. Kind of makes you wonder wtf they're doing

Studio Ghibli

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2005

Gaelic Storm

26 Apr 2006 at 04:33 - 97

.. awesome change with the HoD sword.

It's things like this that really make a dent in the bot community.

Beeline

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2006

Beast of Corruption

N/Me

26 Apr 2006 at 14:15 - 98

Well to those who think there not bots, those who think Anet have a uncheatable game, those who refuse to admit that so much of GW player base cheats this might make interesting reading. It is merely one example of the hundreds of sites you can visit to get these bots, hacks, exploits and cheats...
ADMIN EDIT: Link Removed

GW just like most MMORPG is full of cheaters, and fair players are leaving, maybe only to return for a short while when the factions thing finally gets released.

It makes me sick to the stomache to think i play GW fair but will never have 1% of what hack/exploite users will... what is happening to the game playing community if people make a living by selling code to exploit online servers that we pay (and in some online MMORPG's subscribe) to play on but A-net seem to only say they look into things, and every once in a while they say they banned a few accounts - its my beleif they would need to ban thousands maybe more accounts to rid thier servers of cheating braindead exploiters.

Studio Ghibli

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2005

Gaelic Storm

26 Apr 2006 at 16:16 - 99

Beeline,

It's in Anet's interest to ban cheaters.

Why?

Not only does it retain the actual playerbase (us), but it also means cheaters will either (1) stop playing, which effects the playerbase retention, (2) or forces cheaters to buy more accounts, which means more money for Anet.. upon which they can ban them again, thereby effecting playerbase retention, or forcing cheaters to once more buy even more accounts. ;P

Just my two cents.

Energizer Deth Buni

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2006

Near Atlanta GA

MVoA

N/Me

26 Apr 2006 at 16:43 - 100

Regardless of all this. If I'm in charge of the financial side of A Net. 50 (or whatever they sell it for) bucks per game coming from any country for any reason is a good thing. The company still benefits from the sales. While developers and whoever are saying this that and the other. Someone on the financial side is just saying Sell Sell Sell. So I really have questions about the relationships of ANet to these sweatshop places?

Nexium

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

26 Apr 2006 at 18:20 - 101

These sweashops suck bot's suck they ruin the game lazy MF that cant play the game fair like everone else i say there should be some kinda special-forces against these sweatshop's, A.K.A Sweatshop Azz kicker's SAK a quick sweeper team that bust's a sweatshop open kill's all the worker media will get a hold of this and the Goverment will cover this up just like they did whith the Rosevelt incident..

Alias_X

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

26 Apr 2006 at 18:47 - 102

I never realized that the people who paid the farmers made such a profit. 3.6Billion dollars?? It is really pathetic that they do that.

I do think, however, that if those people didn't get paid to farm, most of them would be on the street homeless, however degrading their job is, at least it keeps them away from that.

Nexium

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

26 Apr 2006 at 19:08 - 103

seriously how poor can they be if they work whith computer games where not talking about third world African's that dont have water ore electricity. i just think it's younge ppl 18-24Yo that do this just for some extra cash and they probaly already have real jobbs,just like delivering papper it has bad pay but ppl dont make an living of it just some extra cash...

Studio Ghibli

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2005

Gaelic Storm

26 Apr 2006 at 19:32 - 104

Nexium,

Considering the state of the economy in China, the money that these people are pulling from farming-for-business is pretty decent.

milias

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Nov 2005

Defected back to America

Me/E

26 Apr 2006 at 20:03 - 105

Five words: Class Action Suit Against EBay

That will put a stop to some things...

Mimi Miyagi

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

Port Orchard, WA

The Second Foundation: [TSF]

26 Apr 2006 at 21:00 - 106

Quote:

Originally Posted by milias

Five words: Class Action Suit Against EBay

That will put a stop to some things...

No one can sue ebay. ebay doesn't care if it's against anet rules or eula, that's none of their concern. The EULA is between anet/ncsoft and the player, not ebay. There isn't anything illegal with selling ingame items for cash, you can't go to jail or get sued for it. The worst ANet can do is ban the account, because it's the only avenue of retribution open to them.

Jack Skellington

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Dec 2005

W/Mo

26 Apr 2006 at 22:26 - 107

Just a quick correction to the original linked article. The Gold Farming industry isn't making $3.6B a year, the gaming industry in general is.

Haggard

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

Urmston, Manchester, UK

Greener Pastures [DVDF]

W/Rt

26 Apr 2006 at 22:35 - 108

Surely the entire gaming industry pulls more than that?

Ninetail Trickster

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

A pleasant place that needs more rain. T_T

The Rose Society

26 Apr 2006 at 23:38 - 109

Quote:

Originally Posted by Haggard

Surely the entire gaming industry pulls more than that?

Doubtful about that... it was only up to the low hundred-millions a few years ago, wasn't it?

Vermilion

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

NY

27 Apr 2006 at 00:11 - 110

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ninetail Trickster

Doubtful about that... it was only up to the low hundred-millions a few years ago, wasn't it?

Whatever the number is, about half of it is WoW regardless.

And "bots" and/or "sweatshop farmers" have never really bothered me, and its fun at times to watch the army of monks leave Elonas/Droks/etc. (Yes I get bored easily.)

I do think they need to improve the quality of some of the bots though, seeing as several times while bot-fishing (I shouldn't need to explain what that is) the monk in fact died.

c33sh0nd

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2005

27 Apr 2006 at 12:01 - 111

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack Skellington

Just a quick correction to the original linked article. The Gold Farming industry isn't making $3.6B a year, the gaming industry in general is.

i wouldnt count on that. the average online game costs what ? 15 dolars a month or something, but over 50% of the bigger gear driven games buys money online. and spend MORE then that 15 dollars a month on extra cash for them ingame.

i would estimate all farmers togther put together 4 times more cash then the games themselves

Jack Skellington

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Dec 2005

W/Mo

27 Apr 2006 at 15:55 - 112

I'm not saying that I've actually researched how much the gaming industry is making, but $3.6 "Billion" is quite a bit to make for an industry in a year. I was just shoring up misinformation given in the original linked blogpost. The article that the blog links to states that the Gaming industry is pulling $3.6 Billion, not the famers.

Ba5sKing

Banned

Join Date: Aug 2005

R/W

27 Apr 2006 at 20:24 - 113

Im just going to assume most ppl here r american so if anyone nos the history after the civil war with all the slaves freed the economy was ruined. because the plantation owners had no workers they could make no money. Picture the head of these companies the slaves. And their ownes china. shut down these things china gets hurt economically. so we might be better off supporting these guys? its only a game

i dont no much but thats my 2 cents

xRustyx

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2006

Bermuda Triangle

W/

27 Apr 2006 at 20:28 - 114

I wish I could bot real life.