Damage Comparison: Assassin vs. Warrior

Attacks skills don't matter after your third, and if you want to even start compareing assassin's to warriors, the sin's need to be up in the front the whole time.


6 skills and you don't have an IAS or speed buff or healing skill or snare or ressig.

An axe warrior can do 26 dps without any attack skills, 40 with frenzy, and can spike for 250-300 with two skills every 10 seconds, 7 under frenzy. I'd really like someone to find an assasin build that can mimic that. Warrior's are going to stay as the only damage class, and I still don't know where the sin fit's except as a NPC killer/flag runner harasser. If you're fighting without any attack skills, you don't deserve to play this game so that's a moot point. [fighting without skills, u smoking something? ^_^] I've seen impale kill a LOT more people than Eviscerate {E} and Exe. Strike combos. I love warriors myself and I'd easily pit my warrior vs. any assassin, but to say assassins don't kill only means one simple fact: you just don't know how to use them, plain and simple. If I can't kill effectively with an ele, does it mean ele sucks? No, I just don't know how to use them...

Be objective before you say anything, think outside the kappa shell...

Also, it's like comparing apples to oranges in terms of play style. Just cause the sin runs away after a bit and the warrior can stay to spike more than once is pointless. To say a sin can slam your ass with a full on spike when the fight starts means he will kill you faster than building adrenaline with a warrior...

They are about the same. In my opinion though, it is kind of hard to do a fair math with the two. One primary reason is that they are on different timeline of a battle.

An assassin can go in and start doing some deadly blows as soon as battle fronts are in contact. The dual attack skills really make up for the weaker attack power of the dagger, this is where their damage become equal or above warrior's damage.

A warrior can do a huge amount of damage, but need the build up and then release. Unlike assassin, they don't need to rely on the sole sucess of the dual attack to be strong. If assassin's dual attack are constantly disrupted in some way (blind, interrupt, etc), warrior will outshine assassin.

In the end, it is all about how your team play your battle out.

I believe, there are no better solo killer than assassin. They are perfect for killing other's runner, before heal can arrive. This is something warrior can't do as well, as by the time they build their andrenline up, heal is already here; it would also be harder to control your andrenline when you don't know at what time will the runner target run off to get a flag. I would put ranger to support the assassin if anything.

I would like to see someone include all the attack skills + auto-attack in a minute long DPS chart. I certainly don't have the time to do this, and test it. acually i disagree. assassins require certain attacks to lay out their skills, and because of this, you could run like a panzy and the assassin would have to start all the way over in his/her skill bar. ALSO, assassins lack healing (warriors have siggie) and they lack energy for the skills after one row of use. (warriors lack the energy too, but they use adrenaline.) AND the daul attack is only a CHANCE. i think assassins are just a pure waste of time.

You must be a pre-beta tester or something, because I can't seem to figure out where your endless hours of experience from playing the sin's class over shadows all of ours? This thread is titled Damage Comparison Sin's vs Wars, so chill out No, I just know trashy reasoning when I see it. And the OP has nothing else but trashy reasoning.

One major difference bwteen the two.

Warrior: Your Eviscerate gets blocked...damn, well at least you can follow in with your Executioner's Strike and Penetrating Blow.

Assassin: Your lead attack gets blocked...damn have fun waiting on the recharge. U are free to take a 2nd lead attack on the assasin.

If you don't like the numbers, don't get mad at me. There's a mechanic in the game as to IAS not being about attacks per second, but seconds per attack, or something like that, so frenzy actually does almost double your DPS, despite the description. I won't pretend I know what I'm talking about, but I do trust Ensign for the DPS numbers. I knew about the mechanic, I just thought it was exactly double speed, not almost, so it's my bad. And trusting Ensign=good.

As far as damage goes, like I said, apples vs. oranges...

Valid points were stated by DieInBasra, but you're making too many assumptions, all of which have 0 value...

Does an ele always have to be on a spike team? Again, think outside the box... Impale can shred 2/3 of your hp. [look at a Twisting Fang Critical and you'll know what I mean]

And I hope we're not going into a counter/counter debate, I don't deal in those because those people are masters of the obvious... [hexes can be removed, so?]

For defense, it's sad to say but a sin is easier to defend against than a warrior. You hit a sin with something as small as a lightning Javelin when he leads and wham, his chain is gone. But, if the sin does normal attacks instead of a full stretched combo [lesser dmg], he won't likely get his chain ruined if they try interrupting his 2nd attack I guess...

I like my warrior more than my sin, that's for sure, but if I have to go by a sin's 3+ hit combo vs. the executioner's classic Evis + Exe. Strike, I'd have to say a sin's 3 hit combo will always do more damage under best conditions and full skill use. Even if you put Weaken Armor or Barbs on a victim, Evis + Exe can't possibly match a Twisting Fangs + Impale finish...

Let's cover more than what what's in front of our noses shall we? You are comparing 2 skill warrior combo to 4 skill assassin combo(which also makes the spike more obvious).

Warrior DPS is higher, and warrior has way better 2 sec spike. Warrior has better survivability. Warrior is harder to shut down. If you play assassin as a spiker then he is no better than any ele or mesmer with PP/SD. In fact in spike team PP/SD mesmer is way better, because unlike assassin he doesn't sit with thumbs up his ass when not spiking like assassin does.

If I want DPS I take warrior. If I want spike I take any of the casters and warrior spike is faster than assassin spike.

Also assassin is kinda forced into daggers + crit strike. With only daggers you have incredible energy problems. Assassin in general relies very much on getting energy from crits, forcing player to pump crit attribute, and thus assassin has no build flexibility as far as attributes go. Warrior can take weapon attribute and ignore the rest, assassin will have gigantic energy problems.