I'm guessing anyone with enough of an opinion to post in reply knows what I'm talking about here. Prior to today's update groups forming in HA could only see whether or not you were below rank 3, 6, 9 or 12. Thus teams formed accordingly, ie. r3+, r3/6 and even 6/9. Now this was all fine and fair and good until people started using the 5/6 and 8/9 convention for recruiting teams. Of course, the logical result of this was that people who were r3-4 and r6-7 claiming to be r5 and r8 respectively. I'm not saying that was right - basically they were lying about thier rank, since party leaders couldn't prove otherwise. It could be argued that the 5/6 and 8/9 party formations basically worked on the honor system to discourage lower ranks from joining, or that the raging rank discrimination was so bad that only having recognizable ranks every three levels gave people a way (albeit, a little dishonest one) to get into these groups.
Now people in your group can see exactly what rank you are. There's no fudging it anymore, making the 5/6 and 8/9 formations actually enforcible. My question is, do we REALLY need MORE rank discrimination? Part of me says this is only making things worse, but part of me says it's a good thing to empower party leaders. I haven't made up my mind on this one yet...have you?
-Jessyi
Awesome, more rank discrimination! Just what we all needed!
Jessyi
Lord Sojar
It's still retarded... I recently got into PvP, and I am an EXTREMELY good PvP monk as well as mesmer (i've had compliments from rank 6-12 people many times) Yet, those compliments don't matter. What matters is that damn wolf, tiger, or phoenix....that's it. You could be the best monk ever, and because your rank 2 like I am, you can't get a good PUG group. Rank discrimination is retarded, as are the people who perform it. That's my two cents.
JiggyFly
Well, Factions being released will introduce a sling of rank 0's into the mix, so forming parties will be eaiser there. And because of this system I think we'll see more Rank 4+ groups popping up. I mean it's pretty much assured that every rank 3 or rank 4 ever at one time of another pretending to be rank 5 to get into a rank 5/6 group, so now you won't have to fib your way into a group. Now we'll just see more rank specific groups popping up all over the place. Not that big of a problem, because it doesn't destroy your chances of fidning a party, but isntead of having 3 rank 4/5/6 mixed group you'll just see more rank 4, rank 5, rank 6 specific groups flaoting around.
I go agree some amount of discrimination is retarded, like if I know a very good player who doesn't happen to be ranked, the members in my party would still rather have a random pugger who can flash the bambi. In general though the discrimnation is there simply because, sure you could quiz that un-ranked guy for a couple of minutes and make sure he knows what he's doing and get a feel for him, or you could just grab that rank3 guy and have a higher chance of him being the better player. Sure there are exceptions, but ranked players are taken over non-ranked for one of the same reasosn IWAY is so gosh darn popular, it's quicker. 10 minutes trying to find out if the unranked guy is jerking your chain about his experience is alot more strenuous and time consuming then just having someone pop the "/rank".
But there's still aa way out for experience unranked players. Start your own group, there's plenty of unranked players around who will gladly join a group. Plus, I know quite a few people who were unranked and had a hardtime getting the fame with sub-par pugs. So finally they just started forming their own parties, and got to the ranks much quicker. If you are a decent player and just don't have the rank to back itup, that's the best thing to do in my opinion.
I go agree some amount of discrimination is retarded, like if I know a very good player who doesn't happen to be ranked, the members in my party would still rather have a random pugger who can flash the bambi. In general though the discrimnation is there simply because, sure you could quiz that un-ranked guy for a couple of minutes and make sure he knows what he's doing and get a feel for him, or you could just grab that rank3 guy and have a higher chance of him being the better player. Sure there are exceptions, but ranked players are taken over non-ranked for one of the same reasosn IWAY is so gosh darn popular, it's quicker. 10 minutes trying to find out if the unranked guy is jerking your chain about his experience is alot more strenuous and time consuming then just having someone pop the "/rank".
But there's still aa way out for experience unranked players. Start your own group, there's plenty of unranked players around who will gladly join a group. Plus, I know quite a few people who were unranked and had a hardtime getting the fame with sub-par pugs. So finally they just started forming their own parties, and got to the ranks much quicker. If you are a decent player and just don't have the rank to back itup, that's the best thing to do in my opinion.
twicky_kid
Yet people have been asking for pve ranks for months.
Be careful what you ask for.
Be careful what you ask for.
Thom
If you have an impressive GvG title or even Random title you can display that instead. I'm glad that a rank 5 can now be distinguished from a rank 3 (it is 3 times the experience). All those rank 8s out their are also happy. Your pure rank9 groups will be happy to go 8/9 if they could have evidence of experience.
The only people this hurts are those lying about your PvP experience. If you have 50 10-streaks in random arenas, I'll take you as a monk even if you don't have a bambi; that was a hard case to make before titles.
The only people this hurts are those lying about your PvP experience. If you have 50 10-streaks in random arenas, I'll take you as a monk even if you don't have a bambi; that was a hard case to make before titles.
Alleji
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It's still retarded... I recently got into PvP, and I am an EXTREMELY good PvP monk as well as mesmer (i've had compliments from rank 6-12 people many times) Yet, those compliments don't matter. What matters is that damn wolf, tiger, or phoenix....that's it. You could be the best monk ever, and because your rank 2 like I am, you can't get a good PUG group. Rank discrimination is retarded, as are the people who perform it. That's my two cents.
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Stabber
People who discriminate based on rank after around rank 5 or so are not really worth grouping with. As for newcomers to GW, they are screwed no matter what as fame will keep getting harder and harder to come by. Maybe by chapter 4 HA will become an impenetrable bastion of the terminally obsessed, and the rest of the game will then move on to more fun pursuits.
artay
I think its great, a way to show off your hard earned rank among other things (lots of different titles out there now)(or there will be soon)
Fay Vert
Rank system = new players need not apply
Seen it all before in other games. It's a tough one, I think it's important to recognise achievement. But the game needs to support the new PvP players to actually being able to play PvP. At the moment, it's hell for a low ranker.
Seen it all before in other games. It's a tough one, I think it's important to recognise achievement. But the game needs to support the new PvP players to actually being able to play PvP. At the moment, it's hell for a low ranker.
Aint She Fancy
I used to do Halls all the time. Until everyone started getting all worried about rank. And since most of my time is spend PvE, I don't have a high rank. I can't do halls anymore for the simple fact that I don't have a high rank. I can PvP, and I can do it well. So, because of these new systems...I'm either A) giving up on PvP or B) doing the horrible thing and paying for rank.
Metanoia
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If you have an impressive GvG title or even Random title you can display that instead. I'm glad that a rank 5 can now be distinguished from a rank 3 (it is 3 times the experience). All those rank 8s out their are also happy. Your pure rank9 groups will be happy to go 8/9 if they could have evidence of experience.
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Edit: Ah, was reading the forums before I started playing and didn't notice the new patch.
Asprah
r2 Extremely good monk? you actually played in group with r12 and 9?
Its not just how you heal or prot in tombs. When you are experienced r6+,9+ monk you also know how to preveil,switch weapons,what shame does on you exactly,how to run relics,bodyblock etc. There is no way you could learn all that at rank2. So off course some r6+/9+ group will not take you,they will take experienced monks instead. Only iwayed high ranked players will play bad but they are ussually kicked after one run in tombs by guild leader if they play bad.
Its not just how you heal or prot in tombs. When you are experienced r6+,9+ monk you also know how to preveil,switch weapons,what shame does on you exactly,how to run relics,bodyblock etc. There is no way you could learn all that at rank2. So off course some r6+/9+ group will not take you,they will take experienced monks instead. Only iwayed high ranked players will play bad but they are ussually kicked after one run in tombs by guild leader if they play bad.
Kabale
If you take a r2 person, you're risking that person not knowing every skill in the game...
So what to do about it? Just tell that person about general stuff like positioning, calling out what hexes are on you, etc. If he's a good rank2 he'll know what to do.
Slightly off-topic, but a lot of the high rank groups moan about players they don't usually play with because they were unable to do their 'job'. Say if you were an Ele and supposed to be casting lots of AoEs and unfortunately an interrupt ranger sits on your butt so you can't get a spell off... Let people know, otherwise they'll just assume that you sucked and couldn't follow simple instructions, and hence not go with you again.
So what to do about it? Just tell that person about general stuff like positioning, calling out what hexes are on you, etc. If he's a good rank2 he'll know what to do.
Slightly off-topic, but a lot of the high rank groups moan about players they don't usually play with because they were unable to do their 'job'. Say if you were an Ele and supposed to be casting lots of AoEs and unfortunately an interrupt ranger sits on your butt so you can't get a spell off... Let people know, otherwise they'll just assume that you sucked and couldn't follow simple instructions, and hence not go with you again.
Vaga
It depends on a lot of the other titles, and whether people will merit titles for winning 50 matches vs top guilds as much as say rank 6-9.
In reality it kind of helps people, because if they are rank 2 people can see that, and people can see what else they have done in the game. It doesn't make it any harder for people to get into PvP, it just doesn't make it any easier either.
In reality it kind of helps people, because if they are rank 2 people can see that, and people can see what else they have done in the game. It doesn't make it any harder for people to get into PvP, it just doesn't make it any easier either.
Sagius Truthbarron
The titles make me want to hit rank 7. I know I'll never hit rank 9 any time soon, but having a nicer title does give some point to doing HA at all.
I don't know how many times I asked to join a rank 6 group at rank 5 and I got "Sorry, most people lie about their rank, I never take people with deer." Many groups that I form that are Rank 5/6+ later discover that most of the group is at rank 3, and all of them don't know how to play.
Sorry, rank discrimination I do not like for some people, but other people just get leached or drag their way to rank 3. If you can get Gladiator 1 or 2 I'de probably take you, but if you're just some idiot trying to lie.. No way.
Rank is good for puging. If you want rank, teach your guild to play the game and start HAing. Recruit unranked people that want to learn.
I don't know how many times I asked to join a rank 6 group at rank 5 and I got "Sorry, most people lie about their rank, I never take people with deer." Many groups that I form that are Rank 5/6+ later discover that most of the group is at rank 3, and all of them don't know how to play.
Sorry, rank discrimination I do not like for some people, but other people just get leached or drag their way to rank 3. If you can get Gladiator 1 or 2 I'de probably take you, but if you're just some idiot trying to lie.. No way.
Rank is good for puging. If you want rank, teach your guild to play the game and start HAing. Recruit unranked people that want to learn.
Zui
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r2 Extremely good monk? you actually played in group with r12 and 9?
Its not just how you heal or prot in tombs. When you are experienced r6+,9+ monk you also know how to preveil,switch weapons,what shame does on you exactly,how to run relics,bodyblock etc. There is no way you could learn all that at rank2. So off course some r6+/9+ group will not take you,they will take experienced monks instead. Only iwayed high ranked players will play bad but they are ussually kicked after one run in tombs by guild leader if they play bad. |
The truely sad thing is nearly every HA player equates rank with skill, even though many, many HA players who are rank 6+ still don't understand basic PvP principles or basic game mechanics(usualy the IWAYers or single FOTM only crowd).
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wolfe2dale
Ah the wonders of rank....
I have lost count of the amount of times someone has come up to me in town & flashed their cherished emote at me while I'm trying to put a PUG together for a UW/FOW/SF run.
By flashing that emote they are automatically excluded for being a stuck up themselves egomaniac. Sorry to burst your bubble people but rank does not mean you are a good player, especially in PVE.
When did rank = knowledge of skills? I've completed UAS in PVE & have an understanding of all the skills available, but I don't have any rank at all.
I just won't go near HA at all because of the elitist mentality there.
I have lost count of the amount of times someone has come up to me in town & flashed their cherished emote at me while I'm trying to put a PUG together for a UW/FOW/SF run.
By flashing that emote they are automatically excluded for being a stuck up themselves egomaniac. Sorry to burst your bubble people but rank does not mean you are a good player, especially in PVE.
When did rank = knowledge of skills? I've completed UAS in PVE & have an understanding of all the skills available, but I don't have any rank at all.
I just won't go near HA at all because of the elitist mentality there.
Weeping Wind
There are atleast 5 - 10 of you in this one post saying you are unranked and cant join groups because of it. You only need 8 people for a group to go HA. Theres atleast 1 potential group right here. If you "Unranked" people got together and started to learn HA with each other you would soon stop complaining that HA is unfair.
Over in the HA section there is a whole thread for unranked players that want groups. There would be loads of groups waiting to be set up there. But what it really comes down to is that you Rank 0 - 2 players want to join the Rank 3 - 9 groups and hold halls for a good few hours and get your Rank 3 easily. Well, that isnt going to happen to the average player. You have to earn your Rank and that means making groups and making a F/L of people you know who you play good with.
Us Rank 3 - 10++ people didnt sit in HA and wish our way to where we are. Are there hundreds of posts that Rank 0 - 2 people cant Rank up because of Rank "Discrimination". If you went through these posts and asked the people in them whether they would like to go HA with you, you would have a nice F/L of PvPer's in no time at all.
My two cents
Weeping
Over in the HA section there is a whole thread for unranked players that want groups. There would be loads of groups waiting to be set up there. But what it really comes down to is that you Rank 0 - 2 players want to join the Rank 3 - 9 groups and hold halls for a good few hours and get your Rank 3 easily. Well, that isnt going to happen to the average player. You have to earn your Rank and that means making groups and making a F/L of people you know who you play good with.
Us Rank 3 - 10++ people didnt sit in HA and wish our way to where we are. Are there hundreds of posts that Rank 0 - 2 people cant Rank up because of Rank "Discrimination". If you went through these posts and asked the people in them whether they would like to go HA with you, you would have a nice F/L of PvPer's in no time at all.
My two cents
Weeping
d3kst3r
I'm still waiting on the Balthazar Faction titles.
Zui
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Us Rank 3 - 10++ people didnt sit in HA and wish our way to where we are. Are there hundreds of posts that Rank 0 - 2 people cant Rank up because of Rank "Discrimination". If you went through these posts and asked the people in them whether they would like to go HA with you, you would have a nice F/L of PvPer's in no time at all
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My point was only that being ranked and being compitent/skilled aren't mutualy exclusive, and there's a common misconception that all unranked people = noob(although I will admit a vast majority of rank 0-2s totaly suck, and some rank 3-5s still totaly suck).
Mindtrust
<- Rank 2 been playing since Nov2004 so i got a fairly good knowledge i think, i have played HA a couple of times, won it a few times also. But most of our pvpers have moved on to other games, so it's quite hard to HA nowadays, so i just play in TA insted.
I bet there are lot's of players like me out there, i don't complain i will just have to wait to get enough friends that likes PvP again
I bet there are lot's of players like me out there, i don't complain i will just have to wait to get enough friends that likes PvP again
Guinea Fig
Weeping Wind said it well and I will say it again.
It seems that the OP was annoyed that he can't lie his way into r6-r9+ PuGs anymore. You are complaining about elitest players yet you want to play in groups with the "elitest" players. I mean is there is a reason for this? Why don't you try to pick up 7 other r0-r3 people who are in the same boat as you?
Simple. As far as PuGs go... GENERALLY a higher ranked PuG TENDS to do better than a lower ranked group. Of course there are many exceptions but in the long run as far as random groups go... that seems to be a trend. Ask yourself one last time: Why don't you enjoy making a team with r0-r3 players? Why would you prefer to get into higher ranked PuGs? Now if you answer those questions truthfully, you will understand why MOST people don't want to bother with "teaching" or "testing" random Joe r0. Is it a shame for those few really good players (supposedly you) who just happen to be new? Maybe.
Now of course I think pugging is a horrible way to put together a group. If you don't have a guild... Friends list people are the way to go every time. Only PuG for the last few slots you can't fill.. and just maybe if you have a good run you can add a few more friends to your list.
If anything the new ranks help new players out. There might actually be some rank 4-5 or 7-8 groups forming. You don't have to 4x your fame to reach the next tier. And please don't complain about reaching rank 3. It really isn't all that much. If you put in a few hours every now and then there is no way you can't get your rank3 within 3 weeks even without iway. Now if you can't even bother to spend that much time in tombs (at least some dedication)... you wonder why people aren't jumping at the opportunity to team with you.
It seems that the OP was annoyed that he can't lie his way into r6-r9+ PuGs anymore. You are complaining about elitest players yet you want to play in groups with the "elitest" players. I mean is there is a reason for this? Why don't you try to pick up 7 other r0-r3 people who are in the same boat as you?
Simple. As far as PuGs go... GENERALLY a higher ranked PuG TENDS to do better than a lower ranked group. Of course there are many exceptions but in the long run as far as random groups go... that seems to be a trend. Ask yourself one last time: Why don't you enjoy making a team with r0-r3 players? Why would you prefer to get into higher ranked PuGs? Now if you answer those questions truthfully, you will understand why MOST people don't want to bother with "teaching" or "testing" random Joe r0. Is it a shame for those few really good players (supposedly you) who just happen to be new? Maybe.
Now of course I think pugging is a horrible way to put together a group. If you don't have a guild... Friends list people are the way to go every time. Only PuG for the last few slots you can't fill.. and just maybe if you have a good run you can add a few more friends to your list.
If anything the new ranks help new players out. There might actually be some rank 4-5 or 7-8 groups forming. You don't have to 4x your fame to reach the next tier. And please don't complain about reaching rank 3. It really isn't all that much. If you put in a few hours every now and then there is no way you can't get your rank3 within 3 weeks even without iway. Now if you can't even bother to spend that much time in tombs (at least some dedication)... you wonder why people aren't jumping at the opportunity to team with you.
Gonzo
I just unlocked HA Now I can be overlooked by the vast majority. I'm so glad I don't PUG.
Now I can be overlooked by the vast majority. I'm so glad I don't PUG.
Misa
The most stupid thing about the rank update is that you can't show your rank atleast you are r3+.
So that means r1 and r2 are very screwed =(
My poor 2nd account.
So that means r1 and r2 are very screwed =(
My poor 2nd account.
Fay Vert
It doesn't matter if people think it's a good thing or a bad thing. Either way it's a massive problem for ANet because rank IS a major bar to new players playing this way. And given that they insist on linking PvP to PVE content then their line of "you want favour, go earn it" sounds increasingly pathetic.
Rank bars people from playing, especially new people.
Rank bars people from playing, especially new people.
Senator Tom
rank does not matter. the only thing you need rank for is like iway and bloodspike pugs. get with a regular group of people and win. stop whining cause now the rank 8/9 iway pugs wont let you in cause your r6
Fay Vert
and nobody will let you in if you are r0, still don't see the problem?
What happens to PvP if no or very few new people join?
"go away n00b" is very likely to make them do just that.
What happens to PvP if no or very few new people join?
"go away n00b" is very likely to make them do just that.
Akaraxle
I'm posting this in an attempt to make a big part of the GW community aware of the potential issue that might arise with titles. Title requirements for groups in TA, 12v12, UW/FoW, you get the drift; it might become a problem for relaxed players willing to learn and enjoy the endgame.
I want to believe that most of you don't care about those people that spam stuff like "1 mil xp tank LFG", and will agree with me. If noone out there takes these titles seriously and considers them on the same level as having a 15k armor, then Factions might feel more fresh for newbies, casual players, and people that generally like to take it easy.
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My suggestion: this time around, we (as part of the Guild Wars community) will have the chance to influence the players and their perception of certain aspects of the game. HA rank elitism is too radicated now and I doubt it can be bulged anymore, but with this new titles we should be able to do something.
Starting today everyone should publicly laugh in the face of people forming groups based on such titles, and explain why these titles are merely something "cool" to achieve but that do not mean anything related to skill due to the fact you gain them with time only. They say many people's belief can become reality, and if we all spread the word to the in-game community we might reduce some player's need to show off their e-peens. |
Senator Tom
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and nobody will let you in if you are r0, still don't see the problem?
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fiery
I think many of those "rank 12" were liars, not about the compliement but about being rank 12, seeing only more or less of a handful are actually rank 12.
Str0b0
Well as I can see it you have two options here. You can either get over it or you can get into a good PvP guild where they don't care about rank. Not trying to be a jerk but what else do you want done?
Evilsod
I'm waiting for this rank thing to hit PvE.
FOW CHEST RUN LF TREASURE HUNTERS+
FOW CHEST RUN LF TREASURE HUNTERS+
Fay Vert
I don't want anything done. I am not whining because I don't give a shite about PvP. I am just pointing out that ANet has a problem with their design model, it's making it very hard for PvE players to enguage in PvP, which is what they want. Until they come up with a solution to the "go away n00b" problem, then there will always be this rift between PvP and PvE; and for all the rhetoric that is spouted, that is not a good thing.
I ask you this. You are creating a pug and a r0 wants to join. Do you take them?
If you answer yes to this they you are a liar
I ask you this. You are creating a pug and a r0 wants to join. Do you take them?
If you answer yes to this they you are a liar
Quickly
Quite simply there seem to be a lot of whiners here. I'm pretty new to PVP but I don't expect to rush into HA and get into an "elite" (yes it's in quotes, read into it what you will) R9+ group straight away. That's just crazy!
Equating GW to any other sport you have different levels of ability and gain ability through time. Would you expect somebody who just threw their first football in their backyard to be taken into the NFL draft? Of course not, you'd think someone was crazy for just suggesting it. Sure there will always be anomalies where somebody is just naturally extremely good but the rank system helps to show at least some experience. Just as in a real sport there will be highly ranked players who aren't worth your time and no-rank players who kick butt against everyone.
I've been to HA once, I got accepted into a PuG fairly easily and had a blast getting annihilated by the opposition... sure I would have liked to win but it was the first time I'd seen the map or been in 8v8 PVP.
If you're looking for a group and can't find one - start your own! I know I have... and to answer Fay Vert above me - YES, right now I'd take any R0! Not when I'm R10 though
Equating GW to any other sport you have different levels of ability and gain ability through time. Would you expect somebody who just threw their first football in their backyard to be taken into the NFL draft? Of course not, you'd think someone was crazy for just suggesting it. Sure there will always be anomalies where somebody is just naturally extremely good but the rank system helps to show at least some experience. Just as in a real sport there will be highly ranked players who aren't worth your time and no-rank players who kick butt against everyone.
I've been to HA once, I got accepted into a PuG fairly easily and had a blast getting annihilated by the opposition... sure I would have liked to win but it was the first time I'd seen the map or been in 8v8 PVP.
If you're looking for a group and can't find one - start your own! I know I have... and to answer Fay Vert above me - YES, right now I'd take any R0! Not when I'm R10 though
Legendary Danny
I'm not complaining, I like the new rank system. Now rank 10's and 11's will get some more recognition than rank 9's, considering it is a lot more fame between them. I'm rank 9 and its already been easy to get into good pugs 
Nerdy
I'm gonna disagree with the majority of the above and say that the new title system is a good thing. It actually encourages players to go that one step further.
For example, I've seen a lot of R3 titled players wandering around PVE area who have probably given up hope of getting a wolf.
Maybe the new system will get those players back into tombs as an incentive to get upto R4/R5 then more...?
Of course it doesn't help the rank 0 and 1 players, as they can't pretend to have 171 fame any more.
For example, I've seen a lot of R3 titled players wandering around PVE area who have probably given up hope of getting a wolf.
Maybe the new system will get those players back into tombs as an incentive to get upto R4/R5 then more...?
Of course it doesn't help the rank 0 and 1 players, as they can't pretend to have 171 fame any more.
Oberon Shadowking
I'm just going to throw my two cents in here without even reading most of the posts, so please don't flame me. Most of what I say is based off the beginning thread.
I think rank is screwed up, but only AS A METHOD FOR DETERMINING PuG PLAYERS. Rank, in my opinion, was designed to give the determined PvP players a way to discriminate amongst each other, much like FoW armor or 15k armor in PvE. It's primarily a status symbol, showing that you've played a LOT of PvP, and have been in good enough groups to get fame and rank.
However, rank is not necessarily an accurate descriptor of skill. I don't know if the threads still exist, but I've seen at least three fame farming service threads on GWguru. If a player can be semi-afk/simply noobing his way through while the other seven get PAID for getting him fame, is rank an accurate indicator of skill? No. I've played 250 hrs, almost all on PvE, but with probably 50 hrs of PvP experience, but I don't have any fame/rank. I therefore have a hard time finding a good PuG. I'm not a bad player at all, I know the tactics and strategy, can run different builds, and am a fast learner, but because I don't have a "/rank" emote, most good groups don't want me.
I have wanted to get into PvP a long time, but I can't seem to break out of RA, because the groups in HA and TA don't seem to want a warrior who doesn't have rank 3+/6+/9+. I have almost considered unlocking a ton of ranger skills so I can make a PvP W/R and start doing IWAY, JUST to get myself fame/rank, so that I can get on a good balanced team and take HoH.
So, does MORE rank discrimination mean good things? No, at least, not if you ask me. Perhaps if we got PvE "ranks," things like the titles, like "10,000 enemies killed," or "boss slayer," or "1,000 hrs played" or stuff like that, then PvE players could break into PvP, but as is, it's almost impossible.
I think rank is screwed up, but only AS A METHOD FOR DETERMINING PuG PLAYERS. Rank, in my opinion, was designed to give the determined PvP players a way to discriminate amongst each other, much like FoW armor or 15k armor in PvE. It's primarily a status symbol, showing that you've played a LOT of PvP, and have been in good enough groups to get fame and rank.
However, rank is not necessarily an accurate descriptor of skill. I don't know if the threads still exist, but I've seen at least three fame farming service threads on GWguru. If a player can be semi-afk/simply noobing his way through while the other seven get PAID for getting him fame, is rank an accurate indicator of skill? No. I've played 250 hrs, almost all on PvE, but with probably 50 hrs of PvP experience, but I don't have any fame/rank. I therefore have a hard time finding a good PuG. I'm not a bad player at all, I know the tactics and strategy, can run different builds, and am a fast learner, but because I don't have a "/rank" emote, most good groups don't want me.
I have wanted to get into PvP a long time, but I can't seem to break out of RA, because the groups in HA and TA don't seem to want a warrior who doesn't have rank 3+/6+/9+. I have almost considered unlocking a ton of ranger skills so I can make a PvP W/R and start doing IWAY, JUST to get myself fame/rank, so that I can get on a good balanced team and take HoH.
So, does MORE rank discrimination mean good things? No, at least, not if you ask me. Perhaps if we got PvE "ranks," things like the titles, like "10,000 enemies killed," or "boss slayer," or "1,000 hrs played" or stuff like that, then PvE players could break into PvP, but as is, it's almost impossible.
Gaile Gray
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Originally Posted by artay
I think its great, a way to show off your hard earned rank among other things (lots of different titles out there now)(or there will be soon)
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vinegrower
This is why I only play with my guild and Hench in PvE. If I was looking for a PUG and they demanded that I show a title, I'd just find another group, even if I had that title.
Hell Raiser
That is exactly what rank SHOULD be, a display of your accomplishments. Rank should be this way, but it isn't. More and more people are unable to accomplish anything because they can't find a group that is good enough, wich brings us back to rank.
If a low ranks want to become r3/6/9/12+ they are going to need a cooperative, friendly team, this way they can win fame and be away from the "noob" calling. Rarely have I seen a team with both of these factors, usually high ranked groups are cooperative but are more about the win rather than the game so they only allow other ranked people to join. Low ranked groups are rarely cooperative and unable to work well together (except guilds), but are most always friendly and willing to help anyone out.
I see alot of people that now PAY for their rank because of the fact that they can't find a group that is good in battle and people that just like playing the game, therefor cannot accomplish anything without payment.
I think there would be many more people who enjoy the Heroes' ascent part of the game if others would help them along the way.
~Hell
If a low ranks want to become r3/6/9/12+ they are going to need a cooperative, friendly team, this way they can win fame and be away from the "noob" calling. Rarely have I seen a team with both of these factors, usually high ranked groups are cooperative but are more about the win rather than the game so they only allow other ranked people to join. Low ranked groups are rarely cooperative and unable to work well together (except guilds), but are most always friendly and willing to help anyone out.
I see alot of people that now PAY for their rank because of the fact that they can't find a group that is good in battle and people that just like playing the game, therefor cannot accomplish anything without payment.
I think there would be many more people who enjoy the Heroes' ascent part of the game if others would help them along the way.
~Hell