To the OP: Well said, and *so* glad not to hear a rant/whining. I feel the same.
Can we, say, have this post framed and sent to ANet?
Letter to GW team - my thoughts
Lord Iowerth
I pity the foo that don't like this thread ... ?
To the OP: Well said, and *so* glad not to hear a rant/whining. I feel the same.
Can we, say, have this post framed and sent to ANet?
To the OP: Well said, and *so* glad not to hear a rant/whining. I feel the same.
Can we, say, have this post framed and sent to ANet?
Eviance
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24 hours was more than enough for the Tengu mask, I got a tengu mask on all 4 of my PvE charas, and had over 1500 Fangs to spare, so i managed to get some guildies masks also :/
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And the ONLY shot that some of us had at the masks was the last go but it came early!
not to mention the HUGE confusion over it lasting 3-4extra days that lulled everyone into a false sense of hope only for us to find out that was a misunderstanding because GWs Devs can't "communicate" propperly with others (See other posts in this thread such as: CE, Extra code given to EBgames and such places, and stuff on that sort >_>).
By the time we found out that the news was wrong it was almost too late - I had 30mins to get myself and my husband some fangs! I made it by the skin of my teeth and there were still some real pieces of work in there selling fangs while others begged for anyone with leftovers!
I had a guildie that I still don't know if he got his - I almost missed the emperor trying to get a few extra fangs for him (he is a tow truck driver and always on call - He still may not have gotten his..... ;_
.... It hurt me to tell those that showed up wondering when the emperor would come that it was too late he was gone and that was his last visit...Others continued to collect Naga Fangs in vain (my brother included).
And still those wonderful pieces of work were trying to pedal their naga fangs to anyone who didn't know it was over out of spite so they could make a buck (and probably sell it elsewhere)....
And you wonder why people are upset - Gaile can say what she wants and make any excuse she likes - [Properly edited about the laughing by my own free will - I was wrong and I am sorry Gaile for the misunderstanding!]
IF IT WAS SO FRIGGEN CLEAR THEN WHY ARE SO MANY STILL CONFUSED!
And the sad part is, it's not even about the stupid mask - its about Factions and the letdown it has been... About the alliance battles that are FUBR and only a crappy shell of the wonderful times they once were....
Its about the CE and how no one knows anything because through it all is ONE VERY HUGE LACK OF INFORMATION AND COMMUNICATION
and that is what the players are mad over... We can deal with the blunders but being kept in the dark and not told or warned about anything is hurting and pissing people off!
The fact that we shell out money so that the rich devs can laugh as they pull our strings...
At one point I thought they cared, but they only listen to the elitest now...
The elitest who make their game so grand...
The elitest who won't let the little guy be a hero anymore.... And through it all I thought that GW cared and that's why they made GW to start with!
Tien ak, you will have to forgive me but I do not recall which post/thread was yours - I have been posting in a lot of threads and voicing my opinion which is heard by only a few ;_; Would you be kind enough to remind me? I have been running across a lot of names and have only retained a few and my subscriptions to where I post seem not to update all the time.
master_ranger_matt
pretty dramatic man, but it is the truth. i agree.
Loomy
Can someone summarize it in a way that is readable? So that looking at it doesn't make me want to kill myself?
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Yes, this was slightly inspired by Penny Arcade.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To Guild Wars, I'm a little nervous about writing to you like this. I always thought that we could just talk things out but--well, I'm getting ahead of myself. I wanted to write to you, so that you could understand how I feel without us getting into another fight. I just wanna say a few things, if that's ok with you, and I hope you can hear what I'm saying without feeling hurt or attacked. See, these past months with you have been awesome. My family really likes you--even my children, a five-year-old boy who says "Daddy, daddy, are you going to Ascalon?", and then I reply "No, I have to help a guildie through Thirsty River"... and my little girl, two-and-a-half years old, who comments in her sweet voice "Daddy healed! Good monk daddy." Even the kids love you, ya know? Because of you, I met some amazing people. I've become fast friends with a student in Wisconsin--my family sent him cookies for his birthday two months ago while his parents were away. Also, next month we'll be having some guildies over for dinner from Ohio. I already vaguely knew one of them from another message board, but Guild Wars allowed me to meet his gaming friends from his engineering classes, and now we've formed our own independent circle. None of these friendships would have been possible without you. It's just that... well, sometimes I just don't feel like you're listening, not really. Our relationship was founded on communication. You've made the point over and over again, that you care about my wants and my needs. This is part of what made us work so well together, I think. The problem is, I'm not convinced that you really do; or, at least, you don't treat me like you used to. Nowadays, it seems like the ways you exclude me range from the mundane to blatantly inconsiderate. You whisper to me sweet assurances that you'll make everything alright, but... can I really trust you? Problems like the recent mask event only serve to illustrate my worries. You knew that I, being the young stud that I am, would be in the middle of my college finals and writing multiple 5- and 10-page papers. You made the event as a special surprise thank you gift to Guild Wars fans for their support, and then gave me from 3am early Thursday until 3am early Friday to get the fangs for my character. Never mind that I had to collect a relatively large number of fangs, and that I had multiple characters I wanted to do this on. Oh, and I guess you just forgot that I had classes that morning, and work that afternoon, and then a group meeting for one of my classes scheduled for that evening. Do you just want me to drop all my plans, so that I can with you whenever you get one of your whims? Are you trying to punish me for having an outside life, forcing me to choose between you and my committments? I really appreciate these parties and games of yours, I really do... it's just, you don't give me enough time to prepare for them. I miss out and feel left out, while you come away thinking I didn't appreciate all your hard work. I really want things to get better between us. I remember when we first saw the chilly landscapes of the Shiverpeaks together... and do you recall the picture I took when we took out our first dragon? And how excited we were when we finally faced PREZ for the first time in the Hall of Heroes? Man... I was so happy then... But now, it's like I can't trust you... I feel like you're not talking to me while you work things out. GW, we entered into this together, and you know I want to see you succeed. I want to be there with you, so... talk to me, let me know what you're thinking. After celebrating the communication in our relationship, don't shut us out. We know you've done a few things wrong, but we're partners... aren't we? Then let's work together and find a solution to these things when they appear! And if you're going to reject what seems like a good solution, please at least let us know why, clearly. Don't hide behind that businesstalk of yours.... we love you, so let's be open with one another. For instance, the delay in Alliance chat--you came right out and told us that there was a bug, and you would have it fixed in a few days. THAT'S what I'm talking about: open, honest, accepting responsibility, and timely. Look, GW... I'm not going to abandon you now. We're partners, and that means something to me--and I hope it means something to you, too. I just think that we need to communicate better if this is going to work. I'm seeing other people getting frustrated with you as well, and some walking out on you. I don't want to be one of those people, but... I just want to know that you really care about me the same way I care about you, right? Signed, Daniel Highwind [MEEP] Mo/Me ~ Redly ~ |
Shyft the Pyro
I realize that this post is prompted by a culmination of sorts, and the out-of-game screwups are a justifiable apex. For me, however, the turning point was the Wintersday event.
I expected the opportunity for special headgear to be as frequent and repeatable as the Halloween one, especially as all other aspects of Wintersday seemed time-conscious and user-friendly. Instead, I found out at 3PM on December 31st - after missing one chance completely - that it was a one day affair, and it "just happened" to be on New Year's, the day most people celebrate by not sitting in front of their computer at midnight.
The Halloween event showed me that Anet cared for real-life concerns; the Wintersday one showed me that it did not. I am greatly saddened that for the Canthan event the Wintersday scheme reared its ugly head once again, though I myself had no chance to participate in it. Would it have been bad to make the event last the whole weekend? Who would have been better off, and who would that decision have hurt?
I cannot say anything about CE as I myself care little for the extras it offers. In fact, I bought my Factions key online in order to avoid any potential messes at a game store. But if Anet's goal is - as they claim - to keep us hooked year after year and chapter after chapter, isn't it just plain good business to keep us, your customers, informed about the errors and the ways you're going about fixing them?
An informed customer emphasizes; an uninformed one rages. I know I would prefer informed customers to angry ones.
I expected the opportunity for special headgear to be as frequent and repeatable as the Halloween one, especially as all other aspects of Wintersday seemed time-conscious and user-friendly. Instead, I found out at 3PM on December 31st - after missing one chance completely - that it was a one day affair, and it "just happened" to be on New Year's, the day most people celebrate by not sitting in front of their computer at midnight.
The Halloween event showed me that Anet cared for real-life concerns; the Wintersday one showed me that it did not. I am greatly saddened that for the Canthan event the Wintersday scheme reared its ugly head once again, though I myself had no chance to participate in it. Would it have been bad to make the event last the whole weekend? Who would have been better off, and who would that decision have hurt?
I cannot say anything about CE as I myself care little for the extras it offers. In fact, I bought my Factions key online in order to avoid any potential messes at a game store. But if Anet's goal is - as they claim - to keep us hooked year after year and chapter after chapter, isn't it just plain good business to keep us, your customers, informed about the errors and the ways you're going about fixing them?
An informed customer emphasizes; an uninformed one rages. I know I would prefer informed customers to angry ones.
felinette
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24 hours was more than enough for the Tengu mask, I got a tengu mask on all 4 of my PvE charas,
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Eviance
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It was on a weekday. Most adults work Monday to Friday, 9-5. Many have other obligations (kids, for example). So having the emperor show up just once every three hours gave a lot of people only one or two opportunities to get a mask, if that, and certainly not enough time for more than a character or two because of the three quests. I booked an afternoon off work so I could get a few masks. I really feel for those who couldn't do that and missed out. I can understand why they're pissed.
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Loomy, its a letter dirrected in such a way as to not invoke anger while still being able to get across to ANET why we are upset!
Red you should have put that those under the age of 18 need not read cause they likely wouldn't get it.... I applaud those who did!
Eviance
hehe it's about GW not communicating with it's players well enough and this is the reason for so many angry people. He highlight most of the reasons people are upset including himself but did so in a humorous manner so as not to offend which is more than most of us can do (especially myself).
And thank you for reading and at least attempting to understand... It was meant to be funny enough not to flare tempers but heartfelt enough to get the point across.
Anyways ^_^
And thank you for reading and at least attempting to understand... It was meant to be funny enough not to flare tempers but heartfelt enough to get the point across.
Anyways ^_^
DarkZeal
Nice letter, except you forgot the part where it says you'll organized a coup and overthrow them if they didn't give in to our demands.....or did you leave that out on purpose?...~_^
Viva La Revolution!
Viva La Revolution!
Dahl
uh...is this letter a joke, or something?
If you have your two year old kid into this, I'd ignore you if I were anet too, LOL
If you have your two year old kid into this, I'd ignore you if I were anet too, LOL
Gaile Gray
A bit off topic, but because I saw a mention here, I wanted to explain something. I have to sleep. But before I do, I want to clear up that *snicker* thing. I was definitely and positively not snickering because someone didn't get a mask! The snicker was part of an exchange between a few of us about "priorities." Someone said he logged in at 11:55 and didn't get a mask. Someone else said "Man, I was here all day" and someone else was going on about "What were you THINKING not being here." And I chimed in with something about "You were doing something else during Day of the Tengu?"
No intention of offending, and positively no implication that someone not getting a mask was in any way amusing. The amusing part was us joking about being GW-obsessed, you see, and not eating, drinking, taking potty breaks... (sorry, probably TMI there )
I hope that explanation makes sense. I remember the exchange quite well, and I think if you saw the context, you'd understand it better. Forgive me if I gave anyone a misimpression as far as someone not getting a mask. I missed out with a char at Wintersday myself -- I totally understand that sick feeling of "Oh, dang, I am not going to get one!"
Thanks for reading, and, I hope, for better understanding what I was saying in that comment.
No intention of offending, and positively no implication that someone not getting a mask was in any way amusing. The amusing part was us joking about being GW-obsessed, you see, and not eating, drinking, taking potty breaks... (sorry, probably TMI there
)I hope that explanation makes sense. I remember the exchange quite well, and I think if you saw the context, you'd understand it better. Forgive me if I gave anyone a misimpression as far as someone not getting a mask. I missed out with a char at Wintersday myself -- I totally understand that sick feeling of "Oh, dang, I am not going to get one!"
Thanks for reading, and, I hope, for better understanding what I was saying in that comment.
torquemada
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Just to point out, Tengu mask or no Tengu mask, I was barely able to get online key, as ANet+PlayNC managed to obscure the link rather succesfully. I know it's pretty hectic over there with release and things, but still...
The lack of communication with playerbase inevitably leads to disaster. I don't know what exactly to make of it in this particular case - I won't review Factions as of yet - it's still too early, as I didn't overplay myself during the weekend because of real life issues.
All I can say is that Cantha is indeed smaller (alot smaller??). The "more densely packed" doesn't really satisfy me - what should that mean? That there are more towns/outposts/missions per, lets say square "tile" (imaginary measuring unit). That directly means that there are less explorable areas in between, or the scale of the map is different. But as I said, I won't complain until I witness this myself.
Eviance
No but if you had kids and they bypassed as you played don't ya think they learn? Our two year old daughter loves to watch games played whether on the computer or on TV.... She has a natural curiousity and want to learn.
We don't set her in front of the computer and let her play - good grief! But it does say a lot that she can figure out something so simple from watching us play so rarely and some of you cannot figure out a simple commical post that was meant to inspire and reach out to the REAL people (who aren't still in grade school!).
We don't set her in front of the computer and let her play - good grief! But it does say a lot that she can figure out something so simple from watching us play so rarely and some of you cannot figure out a simple commical post that was meant to inspire and reach out to the REAL people (who aren't still in grade school!).
JoeKnowMo
Nice post, man. /signed
Nice of Gaile to reply as well.
I get annoyed by the ppl who are always willing to defend Anet as if they can do no wrong. The herd mentality is oftentimes not good for the herd. If only they had 2 brain cells to rub together...
Nice of Gaile to reply as well.
I get annoyed by the ppl who are always willing to defend Anet as if they can do no wrong. The herd mentality is oftentimes not good for the herd. If only they had 2 brain cells to rub together...
Imp
Out of all the games I have played, Guild Wars gets the most attention from the devs. And it doesn't even cost monthly. You may not like some of the things, and you may want things done faster, but they do listen and they do act.
Edit: When I say out of all the games, I am also talking about mmo's
Edit: When I say out of all the games, I am also talking about mmo's
zhai
In my opinion, setting Tengu Day on Thursday was a bad idea. What is more, number 250 was a little too much(150 would be ok). Emperor should come for 30 minutes, not 5 minutes. Some people were present at the moment of his arrival and they didn' get their mask because of all this crowd, or they just got confused "WTF is goin on!?", "What, where, who?" etc. I got mask on my 3 of 4 PvE characters. I got anough Fangs to get masks for all, but i couldn't get on time to relog and talk to emperor before he leaves. It was frustrating. I fell asleep in front of computer at 1 AM, while waiting with 250 Fangs in my inventory for his last arrival - pity...
I understand all parents - they work from Monday to Friday - it wasn't fair to set Tengu Day on thursday... At Xmass Event I could get 2 special items, because moment of giving items lasted longer. And it was ok. Make up something ArenaNet, these masks are quite cool
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Sry my english...
I understand all parents - they work from Monday to Friday - it wasn't fair to set Tengu Day on thursday... At Xmass Event I could get 2 special items, because moment of giving items lasted longer. And it was ok. Make up something ArenaNet, these masks are quite cool
.Sry my english...
Esprit
Factions was set to go live, Friday, the 28th. It would not be a head-start event if you have the event after the game officially goes live. It was my understanding that the event was extended through the weekend to allow players to get masks.
Also the Emperor showing up worked the same way in the Wintersday event, the later districts lagged behind the earlier districts. I sat through the whole procession and speech to get my mask, and I was in D2 or something. I jump over to D14 and the emperor was still making his procession to his stopping point. You had more than 5 minutes to get the mask. And you knew when the emperor was coming, why not show up a little early?
Also the Emperor showing up worked the same way in the Wintersday event, the later districts lagged behind the earlier districts. I sat through the whole procession and speech to get my mask, and I was in D2 or something. I jump over to D14 and the emperor was still making his procession to his stopping point. You had more than 5 minutes to get the mask. And you knew when the emperor was coming, why not show up a little early?
Tien ak
Well on a postive note Gaile has proved that they do read these forums and she does listen to us, I mean come on she aplogised for crying out load and it takes some guts for someone who is as high up as Gaile to turn around and explain to us meegle folk what she really ment and apolgise which in my view makes me give a sigh of relief and all is forgiven 
However...(the dreaded however
) and I know this will put petrol in the fire but they did it again by putting Mini pets in the game which basicly is a miniture version of a certain NPC in the game, you can only get these however if you played game since day 1 lucklily they are not customised and I have 3 which i hold dear and given them all pet names I have a siege turtle, a carrion devourer and a temple guardian which is like a white lion. So perhaps guild wars is finally being more user friendly and letting people who don't play the game 24/7 a chance to get some cool stuff.
I don't quite understand though if gaile got dissapointed that she couldn't have a character with Wintersday items then why did she agree on the idea of it being customised
I mean even the masks are customised. It's proberly beacuse they think well its for the fans well I'll tell you one thing I havn't play this game since day 1 and I got the mini pets
People can want event items for loads of reasons I traded stuff for the candy cane weapons not beacuse i liked every single one no no no thats silly talk Nope I wanted to sell em I thought ok some people are going to miss out boo hoo hoo I'll sell em to people for like 2k and make some money! and yep it worked I made a fair amount of money out of the items and the only ones i've kept is the candy cane bow and shield (which are amazing items for low level anyway)
I find it very stupid people can't sell hats people want these items, I don't understand why arena net are customising the hats, I remeber when i missed the halloween event beacuse I was to much of a low level that sucked but what made my day when some random guy gave me his pumkin hat it felt amazing that someone was kind enough and had pity for the poor little low level ranger and gave him the pumkin. but then I couldn't wear it as it was customised so
Oh and on the reply to Eviance it was the 'Arena net how to turn the tables on Ebay" it got taken off one beacuse of this one nerd who had no idea what he was talking about flaming at me about my idea...im not going to say my idea here as i'll get flammed again (might need to take theropy again joke)
However...(the dreaded however
) and I know this will put petrol in the fire but they did it again by putting Mini pets in the game which basicly is a miniture version of a certain NPC in the game, you can only get these however if you played game since day 1 lucklily they are not customised and I have 3 which i hold dear and given them all pet names I have a siege turtle, a carrion devourer and a temple guardian which is like a white lion. So perhaps guild wars is finally being more user friendly and letting people who don't play the game 24/7 a chance to get some cool stuff. I don't quite understand though if gaile got dissapointed that she couldn't have a character with Wintersday items then why did she agree on the idea of it being customised
I mean even the masks are customised. It's proberly beacuse they think well its for the fans well I'll tell you one thing I havn't play this game since day 1 and I got the mini pets People can want event items for loads of reasons I traded stuff for the candy cane weapons not beacuse i liked every single one no no no thats silly talk
I find it very stupid people can't sell hats people want these items, I don't understand why arena net are customising the hats, I remeber when i missed the halloween event beacuse I was to much of a low level that sucked but what made my day when some random guy gave me his pumkin hat it felt amazing that someone was kind enough and had pity for the poor little low level ranger and gave him the pumkin. but then I couldn't wear it as it was customised so
Oh and on the reply to Eviance it was the 'Arena net how to turn the tables on Ebay" it got taken off one beacuse of this one nerd who had no idea what he was talking about flaming at me about my idea...im not going to say my idea here as i'll get flammed again (might need to take theropy again
joke)
Tien ak
Also on the note of factions I havn't played much really beacuse I have only complete the game once and thats with my Ranger Tien ak (who did the end mission with hench i made add ^^ ) so getting right to into factions feels like jumping into the story even though i completed it and know what happens it just doesn't feel right you know?
My suggestion to people who are considering getting factions but are afraid of all this hate mail you've read (oh and it good reason for the hate mail) then buy it just for the character slots, might seem like a waste but play the orignal and complete it then get your orignal chars up to the first mission on factions but don't play it yet...once you got all your chars up to the first faction mission which should take a month see whats chaged since then if there are still complaints then go and get all the elite skills in the orignal for all your chars that'll take anouther month then unlock on the professions in the desert on each char...and if it still hasn't been fixed since then explore of tyria and get some titles up.
Im currently going for the drunkerd title lol 10000mins drunk I will get it = D
so don't be afraid to buy it. The way I did is I have 6 chars all PVE chars as its loads more fun that way in my view...I have R/W, W/mo, N/me, E/mo, Monk yet to be made and A/R. I'm using the assain just to get my money's worth and play threw factions up to the mission were all my other chars get involved that way I know about the story and don't feel i've rushed. I mean only two of my chars are level 20 that is my W/mo and R/W and I want to make em have more than one profession like W/R and R/Me it'll be trickey yeah but once you get into factions they really give away skill points which is good as its so hard getting them in the orignal...But yeah I refuse to play factions past the first mission point as I love what I see so far cetainly now my necro doesn't wear bra and underwear for her energy boost armor anymore -_-.
Did anyone else feel so intimidated when your char had to wear skimpy clothes in order to have good armor lol I tell you my W/mo got harrased so many times on the game with the male warrior dance (its a female warrior btw ^^) and why did she well she wore a bra and underwear with a bit of platemail on it (this is 15k glads im talking about here btw) but the same happens to my necro and her energy armor which I really do need during tough missions and quests... its as if the person who made armor was a perv or something. ^^
My suggestion to people who are considering getting factions but are afraid of all this hate mail you've read (oh and it good reason for the hate mail) then buy it just for the character slots, might seem like a waste but play the orignal and complete it then get your orignal chars up to the first mission on factions but don't play it yet...once you got all your chars up to the first faction mission which should take a month see whats chaged since then if there are still complaints then go and get all the elite skills in the orignal for all your chars that'll take anouther month then unlock on the professions in the desert on each char...and if it still hasn't been fixed since then explore of tyria and get some titles up.
Im currently going for the drunkerd title lol 10000mins drunk I will get it = D
so don't be afraid to buy it. The way I did is I have 6 chars all PVE chars as its loads more fun that way in my view...I have R/W, W/mo, N/me, E/mo, Monk yet to be made and A/R. I'm using the assain just to get my money's worth and play threw factions up to the mission were all my other chars get involved that way I know about the story and don't feel i've rushed. I mean only two of my chars are level 20 that is my W/mo and R/W and I want to make em have more than one profession like W/R and R/Me it'll be trickey yeah but once you get into factions they really give away skill points which is good as its so hard getting them in the orignal...But yeah I refuse to play factions past the first mission point as I love what I see so far cetainly now my necro doesn't wear bra and underwear for her energy boost armor anymore -_-.
Did anyone else feel so intimidated when your char had to wear skimpy clothes in order to have good armor lol I tell you my W/mo got harrased so many times on the game with the male warrior dance (its a female warrior btw ^^) and why did she well she wore a bra and underwear with a bit of platemail on it (this is 15k glads im talking about here btw) but the same happens to my necro and her energy armor which I really do need during tough missions and quests... its as if the person who made armor was a perv or something. ^^
Lady Erighan
/signed
I seriously don't understand why they schedule every single "special" event on the most idiotic of days (Wintersday anyone? Sorry guys, I can't come to the New Years party because I need to wait for my Santa hat). Don't think so.
Tip: Try scheduling on the weekends for a change AND try making them last 48hrs instead of 24. You might be surprised
I seriously don't understand why they schedule every single "special" event on the most idiotic of days (Wintersday anyone? Sorry guys, I can't come to the New Years party because I need to wait for my Santa hat). Don't think so.
Tip: Try scheduling on the weekends for a change AND try making them last 48hrs instead of 24. You might be surprised
Eviance
ah Tien my response in your thread was I didn't think your ideal possible becuase it ran along the lines of entrapment and that is illegal. I personally have pondered several times on how they could fix something like that and haven't. The only suggestion that was made came from my brother and that is for GW itself to sell gold o_O Yeah I go "err defeating the purpose" in my mind to, so yeah.....
I was a bit put off that my slur towards Gaile was what made her respond.... She had a whole thread on it in the Dev Tracker forum -_- I think I would have been more pleased if she acknowledged the hard work and sympathy that Redly had put into his post. But alas I cannot tell them what to write.
I was a bit put off that my slur towards Gaile was what made her respond.... She had a whole thread on it in the Dev Tracker forum -_- I think I would have been more pleased if she acknowledged the hard work and sympathy that Redly had put into his post. But alas I cannot tell them what to write.
Tien ak
lines of entrapment o wha? Im 18 and I have no idea what that means 
You do know im going to get hate mail now and constant letters of 14 year old nerd shouting "noob Oh my gwod such a noob" I hope your happy! lol
But on the note of gaile responding well she *did* aplogise which is preety cool most companies would just tell you were to shove it.
I think what gaile should take on board though is that people don't want customised Event hats they want to share...it was quite strange how you could give someone a santa hat I mean christmas is all about sharing and getting along...Though when i did the dragon mission a few days before christmas nerds were yelling at each other during it quite funny
But just quickly going back to GW selling gold though people didn't like that idea there is no other way to tackle it or least that I can think of at the moment gimme a week or two and im sure i'll come up with anouther wacky idea to get those 14 year old geeks flaming
You do know im going to get hate mail now and constant letters of 14 year old nerd shouting "noob Oh my gwod such a noob" I hope your happy! lol
But on the note of gaile responding well she *did* aplogise which is preety cool most companies would just tell you were to shove it.
I think what gaile should take on board though is that people don't want customised Event hats they want to share...it was quite strange how you could give someone a santa hat I mean christmas is all about sharing and getting along...Though when i did the dragon mission a few days before christmas nerds were yelling at each other during it quite funny
But just quickly going back to GW selling gold though people didn't like that idea there is no other way to tackle it or least that I can think of at the moment gimme a week or two and im sure i'll come up with anouther wacky idea to get those 14 year old geeks flaming
milias
Sigh...I don't know if the OP was being sarcastic or serious, but if he/she was being serious, I don't know what to say...
wsmcasey
I want a divorce! Oh wait, I'm only common law married to Guild Wars.
I'm also cheating on Guild Wars with Diablo 2.
I'm also cheating on Guild Wars with Diablo 2.
Eviance
Tein ak, here is the basic deffinition of Entrapment as provided by wikipedia:
In jurisprudence, entrapment is a procedural defense by which a defendant may argue that they should not be held criminally liable for actions which broke the law, because they were induced (or entrapped) by the police to commit said acts. For the defense to be successful, the defendant must demonstrate that the police induced an otherwise unwilling person to commit a crime. However, when a person is predisposed to commit a crime, offering opportunities to commit the crime is not entrapment, such as in the widely held misconception that policemen must answer questions truthfully if they are asked the same question three times, or that they must say "yes" if asked if they are a police officer.
In Canada, which has a different definition of entrapment than the United States, there are two forms of entrapment.
Random virtue testing: police offering a random member of the public an opportunity to commit a crime. Police must have a reasonable suspicion of a person in order to provide someone opportunity to commit a crime.
If police have a reasonable suspicion they can only provide an opportunity, not convince or induce the person to commit the crime.
While Canada focuses on the actions of the police, American law focuses on the motivation of the accused. In the United States, entrapment exists if the accused's main motivation was the offer made by the police. If the accused was more motivated by other concerns, such as financial gain, then it is not entrapment despite police actions.
In a case like what you were suggesting that could easily be brought up making the whole thing backfire on them.
Anyways yeah uncustomized hats from special events would do it, but I saw several people willing to spend a butt load for one. I think a lot of people would take advantage of newer people.... And by the same tolken it's as if they don't try to scam them by selling them a customized one as well so yeah =/ I just figured they could set times and dates better - planning it for during the week or on a big holiday is never the best of ideas.
*shrugs*
Ya know... I think I am scared to find out what milias thought that post was about lol.... Hun it MIGHT help if ya try reading the rest of the thread and other readers posts.... Otherwise it's just going to keep hurting o_O
Although I am not sure that will help if ya didn't get it the first time through.
In jurisprudence, entrapment is a procedural defense by which a defendant may argue that they should not be held criminally liable for actions which broke the law, because they were induced (or entrapped) by the police to commit said acts. For the defense to be successful, the defendant must demonstrate that the police induced an otherwise unwilling person to commit a crime. However, when a person is predisposed to commit a crime, offering opportunities to commit the crime is not entrapment, such as in the widely held misconception that policemen must answer questions truthfully if they are asked the same question three times, or that they must say "yes" if asked if they are a police officer.
In Canada, which has a different definition of entrapment than the United States, there are two forms of entrapment.
Random virtue testing: police offering a random member of the public an opportunity to commit a crime. Police must have a reasonable suspicion of a person in order to provide someone opportunity to commit a crime.
If police have a reasonable suspicion they can only provide an opportunity, not convince or induce the person to commit the crime.
While Canada focuses on the actions of the police, American law focuses on the motivation of the accused. In the United States, entrapment exists if the accused's main motivation was the offer made by the police. If the accused was more motivated by other concerns, such as financial gain, then it is not entrapment despite police actions.
In a case like what you were suggesting that could easily be brought up making the whole thing backfire on them.
Anyways yeah uncustomized hats from special events would do it, but I saw several people willing to spend a butt load for one. I think a lot of people would take advantage of newer people.... And by the same tolken it's as if they don't try to scam them by selling them a customized one as well so yeah =/ I just figured they could set times and dates better - planning it for during the week or on a big holiday is never the best of ideas.
*shrugs*
Ya know... I think I am scared to find out what milias thought that post was about lol.... Hun it MIGHT help if ya try reading the rest of the thread and other readers posts.... Otherwise it's just going to keep hurting o_O
Although I am not sure that will help if ya didn't get it the first time through.
sinisters chaos
/signed..... nice letter and its soo true
i wanna meet your kids.. (so unmanly) but they seem so cute lol
i wanna meet your kids.. (so unmanly) but they seem so cute lol
Kylie Minon
A post that shows how much we love GW and how worried we are. QFT
Eviance
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/signed..... nice letter and its soo true
i wanna meet your kids.. (so unmanly) but they seem so cute lol |
I love taking our two oldest in the game store (5yr and 2yr) and they both know what games are what... The youngest of the two was the biggest surprise when we first took her to a gaming store..
"Oh look mommy is jak and daxer" (Jak and Daxter)
"I wan gobet of frier" (Goblet of Fire)
*insane giggles* "DADDY IS KINGUM ARTS!" "Kingdom Hearts"
We didn't know she was so smart or so game enthused!
We want to take our eldest to the Gen Con event this fall and well because he doesn't have the hair to pull off Kingdom Hearts's Sora, we ponder dressing him as a GW Monk.... Pregnant as I am I think I will pass on dressing in my 15k ranger armor ;_; But Redly is going monk as well I think (but he wants to do the tats..shhhh don't tell him but he really doesn't have the muscle for that >_>)
Anyways thanks for your interest in the letter... and... our kids... o_O?
Tien ak
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Tein ak, here is the basic deffinition of Entrapment as provided by wikipedia:
In jurisprudence, entrapment is a procedural defense by which a defendant may argue that they should not be held criminally liable for actions which broke the law, because they were induced (or entrapped) by the police to commit said acts. For the defense to be successful, the defendant must demonstrate that the police induced an otherwise unwilling person to commit a crime. However, when a person is predisposed to commit a crime, offering opportunities to commit the crime is not entrapment, such as in the widely held misconception that policemen must answer questions truthfully if they are asked the same question three times, or that they must say "yes" if asked if they are a police officer. In Canada, which has a different definition of entrapment than the United States, there are two forms of entrapment. Random virtue testing: police offering a random member of the public an opportunity to commit a crime. Police must have a reasonable suspicion of a person in order to provide someone opportunity to commit a crime. If police have a reasonable suspicion they can only provide an opportunity, not convince or induce the person to commit the crime. While Canada focuses on the actions of the police, American law focuses on the motivation of the accused. In the United States, entrapment exists if the accused's main motivation was the offer made by the police. If the accused was more motivated by other concerns, such as financial gain, then it is not entrapment despite police actions. In a case like what you were suggesting that could easily be brought up making the whole thing backfire on them. |
I may of got it wrong but basicly it means The police telling you to commit a crime so they can screw you over, but like I said if they were selling their product surly that wouldn't be stealing?
Tien ak
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Tein ak, here is the basic deffinition of Entrapment as provided by wikipedia:
In jurisprudence, entrapment is a procedural defense by which a defendant may argue that they should not be held criminally liable for actions which broke the law, because they were induced (or entrapped) by the police to commit said acts. For the defense to be successful, the defendant must demonstrate that the police induced an otherwise unwilling person to commit a crime. However, when a person is predisposed to commit a crime, offering opportunities to commit the crime is not entrapment, such as in the widely held misconception that policemen must answer questions truthfully if they are asked the same question three times, or that they must say "yes" if asked if they are a police officer. In Canada, which has a different definition of entrapment than the United States, there are two forms of entrapment. Random virtue testing: police offering a random member of the public an opportunity to commit a crime. Police must have a reasonable suspicion of a person in order to provide someone opportunity to commit a crime. If police have a reasonable suspicion they can only provide an opportunity, not convince or induce the person to commit the crime. While Canada focuses on the actions of the police, American law focuses on the motivation of the accused. In the United States, entrapment exists if the accused's main motivation was the offer made by the police. If the accused was more motivated by other concerns, such as financial gain, then it is not entrapment despite police actions. In a case like what you were suggesting that could easily be brought up making the whole thing backfire on them. |
I may of got it wrong but basicly it means The police telling you to commit a crime so they can screw you over, but like I said if they were selling their product surly that wouldn't be stealing? BTW sorry guys for going off topic I just need to know why my thread got closed down. Eviance if you want you could send a message on this to me that would be great
JasmineWhisper
First off I would like to say that the letter was well thought out, and has some very valid points. I for one am very disappointed in Factions. It seems to me like a total grind. After you complete the rather short story line there doesn't seem to be much else to do than to farm for faction seeing as there is very little PvE content. I feel that they are turning thir backs on us PvE people to cater to PvP all the way. And, how can an alliance control a town if they don't have a lot of time logged? That kind of blows the whole idea of "skill not time played" right out of the water.
Ella Stormdancer
The letter was great. I have had Factions since the launch date and I wanted to give some feedback. I don't usually do this. When I am unhappy with a game I usually just stop playing. I am essentially a pve player. I have played GW for about 10 months and loved the first chapter and SF. I was anxiously awaiting Factions. But now that I've played it, I am very disappointed. I think the game appeals much more to pvp (and quite frankly faction farmers). If you like pvp, that's fine. I just don't happen to and I like to think we can all get along. But, if Anet isn't interested in pve players, so be it. While I play almost every day, I am not going to ever get enough faction to make much of a difference. And our guild is mid-sized I suppose and mostly pve players as well so even as a guild or alliance we won't collectively do it either. In our guild chat, it appears that many of us are unhappy. Unless the game gets balanced in some way or there is more pve content, I fear that many, including myself, will stop playing. I enjoyed the first chapter so much that I feel very let down. I wanted to give Anet feedback and sent them an email, which they answered by saying to post on one of the community's forums. So, this seemed an approprite place to post. I hope they listen
Cador
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Sure, maybe things could be worse. But I don't think that should be an excuse for not trying to improve.
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lines of entrapment o wha? Im 18 and I have no idea what that means
You do know im going to get hate mail now and constant letters of 14 year old nerd shouting "noob Oh my gwod such a noob" I hope your happy! lol But on the note of gaile responding well she *did* aplogise which is preety cool most companies would just tell you were to shove it. I think what gaile should take on board though is that people don't want customised Event hats they want to share...it was quite strange how you could give someone a santa hat I mean christmas is all about sharing and getting along...Though when i did the dragon mission a few days before christmas nerds were yelling at each other during it quite funny But just quickly going back to GW selling gold though people didn't like that idea there is no other way to tackle it or least that I can think of at the moment gimme a week or two and im sure i'll come up with anouther wacky idea to get those 14 year old geeks flaming |
And I would also like to state my anger at you categorizing people with a wider vocabulary then yours "nerds". I feel if you want to be insulting by calling someone a "nerd" then do not post. Maybe if you simply used Wikipedia or a dictionary instead of insulting a group of people who may one day aspire to things you can only dream of, you might be a little more knowledgeable. So please THINK before you POST. If you really are 18 please act your age.
Eviance
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They did try to improve and you know what with all the work they doo they still get $|-|it flung at them. It is enough! Anet gives and gives and gives, and when they blunder everyone pounces on them like wolves on a wounded deer.
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You are not the lone gamer supporting their company. And those of us that really care and want to see Anet succeed will pick them up and help them heal the wounds and make things better. We want to see things better for the company because if they succeed so do we. If people get fed up with the blunders and people stop buying, then they stop making games because they don't have the profit or enough faith from the people that they will make better ones and then no one gets to play.
Big RPGs make money by word of mouth usually. If someone likes their game they start fan clubs and websites - they tell all their buddies you MUST GET THIS! If we don't like something are we going to tell people to get it? If it can be better without the sh!t flung at them why not work to make it so? We aren't looking to fling sh!t we are looking to make things better for all involved because we saw something in GW:P that inspired us and caused us to see great things in Anet - we saw potential that was not fulfilled with Factions and thusly we want to see that when chapter 3 comes out there aren't the huge fiasco of blunders there was this time.
When you care for something you want to make it better. I am done being angry at the company, now I just want to see it restored to it's former glory and I can do that without flinging sh!t. Maybe some others can't, maybe all they want to do is whine, but that isn't all of us - contrary to your popular belief some of us do care.
Cador all he was saying was he didn't understand why people were shouting that he was newb, and his idea wasn't entrapment we talked on it further in PMs, it just read wrong - still not a very great idea. All he was saying is he doesn't understand why people cannot just be nice when declining his ideas. There is no need for people to shout or to yell that he is a newb just because he doesn't understand something. Tien ak may also be from another country or background so his age may just be irrelevant to this situation. People from different countries and cultures act different at different ages. Cut him some slack he was just asking for honest opinions not to be flamed.
wsmcasey
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They did try to improve and you know what with all the work they doo they still get $|-|it flung at them. It is enough! Anet gives and gives and gives, and when they blunder everyone pounces on them like wolves on a wounded deer.
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LMAO, it's a self inflicted wound. They deserve to be pounced on!
mmmmmm..........deer jerky
Just like in the wild, wounded animals get eaten by predators. Only the strong shall survive.
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So basically they should just stop improving all together because to you they have improved enough?
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No there was no need to call anyone here a "nerd" just because his vocabulary is limited. I will not put up with derogatory comments made just because i may have a stronger vocabulary then him, maybe if he paid attention in class or read a little more he would understand. No need for name calling.
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LMAO, it's a self inflicted wound. They deserve to be pounced on!
mmmmmm..........deer jerky Just like in the wild, wounded animals get eaten by predators. Only the strong shall survive. |
Eviance
Dude I am a nerd and I am married to a nerd... Nerd to most people is just fact that is what most of us are.
Wikipedia: Nerd, as a stereotypical or archetypal designation, refers to somebody who pursues intellectual interests at the expense of skills that are useful in a social setting, such as communication, fashion, or physical fitness.
however Dictionary.com has your take on it: A foolish, inept, or unattractive person.
A person who is single-minded or accomplished in scientific or technical pursuits but is felt to be socially inept.
I dont mind being socially inept if I am smart... That doesn't bother me and I think most anyone who spends as much time posting on these boards and playing these games and such is at least some part nerd. I honestly don't think he meant it is a derogatory remark, and I honestly don't see that as flaming compared to some peoples responses.
Other than that the OP was trying to get the feelings of the people across without doing the whining, ranting, and bitching that others have been doing. His post was to let Anet know that we do care, that we are being patient where we can and so forth. It was not meant to be cruel towards Anet (if you want to see that you can look for my earlier posts in this thread).
Almost everyone is past their anger now and looking for ways to make things better. Most of us know that anet is human and being human it can communicate with us. And we can help them as they help us. That is all this amounts to... However I agree that the wsmcasey needs to be strung upside down from a tree and gutted =P
wsmcasey don't you make me get my BB gun out XD
I think he was just making fun of the fact that half the people who posts the things you did, didn't really read the OP and just assumed it was another rant or completely missed the point of the OP. Heck it happens, I have done it myself -_-
haha the best saying evar!: Can't we all just get along!
Wikipedia: Nerd, as a stereotypical or archetypal designation, refers to somebody who pursues intellectual interests at the expense of skills that are useful in a social setting, such as communication, fashion, or physical fitness.
however Dictionary.com has your take on it: A foolish, inept, or unattractive person.
A person who is single-minded or accomplished in scientific or technical pursuits but is felt to be socially inept.
I dont mind being socially inept if I am smart... That doesn't bother me and I think most anyone who spends as much time posting on these boards and playing these games and such is at least some part nerd. I honestly don't think he meant it is a derogatory remark, and I honestly don't see that as flaming compared to some peoples responses.
Other than that the OP was trying to get the feelings of the people across without doing the whining, ranting, and bitching that others have been doing. His post was to let Anet know that we do care, that we are being patient where we can and so forth. It was not meant to be cruel towards Anet (if you want to see that you can look for my earlier posts in this thread).
Almost everyone is past their anger now and looking for ways to make things better. Most of us know that anet is human and being human it can communicate with us. And we can help them as they help us. That is all this amounts to... However I agree that the wsmcasey needs to be strung upside down from a tree and gutted =P
wsmcasey don't you make me get my BB gun out XD
I think he was just making fun of the fact that half the people who posts the things you did, didn't really read the OP and just assumed it was another rant or completely missed the point of the OP. Heck it happens, I have done it myself -_-
haha the best saying evar!: Can't we all just get along!
Cador
The thing is I read the whole letter, and to me although it was a structured rant it was still a rant. I could be wrong it is how I interpreted it.