Note for all survivor title seekers
Count to Potato
Elite Survivor is 1337k exp, u better be a good 55monk to get that
Oblivion Odyssey
Some good points, but what you have said about not inviting a *survivor* into your group isn't fair- once they have the title there is no way for them to lose it- it's when they are going for the title that they will quit- once they have earnt the title and diead the title progress freezes.
Silent Kitty
Just join groups and go afk. Eventually you'll get the tittle. And if you are a real big loser, you can leech your way to the highest survival tittle. People are used to afk players in the team and every cutscene makes that you'll catch up with them. You don't have to worry. People are so used to leeches than none will quit the quest/mission because you are there leeching. Most of them are to desperate to get the quest anyway.
Talon one
i just wanted to second what weez said. you cant get 1337k exp by afk leeching off pugs. and the ppl that try to, they are the kind of player that will make you fail a mission anyway, so no great loss if they bail.
i got my title mainly by elite skill capping and doing missions/quests on kurzick and luxon territory and the southern shiverpeaks. for any _normal_ player the title means that you can play very focused for weeks without one bad pull and without once losing sight of whats happening around you.
i was glad when it was over, but it was fun to go skillcapping in the most dangerous areas and actually be afraid to die
i actually had to bail from pugs twice, but in both cases the other monk was either smite or prot (i played prot as well) and there was no one actually healing ppl
i got my title mainly by elite skill capping and doing missions/quests on kurzick and luxon territory and the southern shiverpeaks. for any _normal_ player the title means that you can play very focused for weeks without one bad pull and without once losing sight of whats happening around you.
i was glad when it was over, but it was fun to go skillcapping in the most dangerous areas and actually be afraid to die
i actually had to bail from pugs twice, but in both cases the other monk was either smite or prot (i played prot as well) and there was no one actually healing ppl
FalconDance
My son is trying to get his 'sin to Survivor status. He typically goes it solo OR one of my girls goes with as back-up. He's made it to damned near level 17 before dying---and never once bailed on a fight/mission. Judicious Retreat, perhaps, when too many aggroed but went back in when the foe started to lose interest and separated back out. (And yes, he's on another rebuild thanks to hench aggro last night, no fault of the other two of us who were in the PUG)
I've seen people bail for no apparent reason. We were out to do Minister's Cho's mission (lvl 12) and accepted a real warrior into the group. We all loaded in and a couple minutes later, the tank bailed---before any fighting even started! Don't think it was an err=7, either. Probably something about a 'sin and a monk being the only members of the party. We went on to finish in 16 minutes with no danger of death whatsoever (well, duh. He's a good 'sin and I'm a good healer
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Now, the Survivior title as-is is rather a load of manure, imo. However, if a person can get it without being a chicken-shit, then it is impressive.
I've seen people bail for no apparent reason. We were out to do Minister's Cho's mission (lvl 12) and accepted a real warrior into the group. We all loaded in and a couple minutes later, the tank bailed---before any fighting even started! Don't think it was an err=7, either. Probably something about a 'sin and a monk being the only members of the party. We went on to finish in 16 minutes with no danger of death whatsoever (well, duh. He's a good 'sin and I'm a good healer
)Now, the Survivior title as-is is rather a load of manure, imo. However, if a person can get it without being a chicken-shit, then it is impressive.
Silent Kitty
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Originally Posted by FalconDance
Now, the Survivior title as-is is rather a load of manure, imo. However, if a person can get it without being a chicken-shit, then it is impressive. |
I'd like to see that here too. Not the cheating hack called chicken, but the part about having to start all over again, once you died. I always liked the hardcore bit, no matter how many cheaters tried to spoil it for me. The GW survival titles are kind of a charade.
Swinging Fists
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Originally Posted by Silent Kitty
Just join groups and go afk. Eventually you'll get the tittle.
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Silent Kitty
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Originally Posted by Swinging Fists
Join groups and go AFK ? That's nearly a sure way to die. Sorry, but I don't think you gave that idea much thought.
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Not me. I will leave when I notice we have an afk in the party. As long as the majority doesn't mind, this kind of lame behaviour works.
Swinging Fists
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Originally Posted by Silent Kitty
Seems to work, because it happens more and more. I rather play other games but some people think that leeching is a form of gameplay.
Not me. I will leave when I notice we have an afk in the party. As long as the majority doesn't mind, this kind of lame behaviour works. |
Silent Kitty
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Originally Posted by Swinging Fists
I'm sure not denying that there's a lot of AFK going on, but it's more people wanting the missions done, or faction, or whatever, where it doesn't matter if you die. Survivors have to take great care to make sure they don't die and they won't risk a mob coming over, especially after a cut scene you don't know what will be around. Not to mention, they know they will have a pissed off PUG that might just lead a mob over to them...
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This "survivor" thing looks nice, but sometimes it brings up the worst in someone. Leeching is still a very safe way to play, and without the power to kick leechers, it makes the title questionable.
The Legg
hey all,
Took me 7 days to get my max survivor title on my rit. All I can say is keep trying all those of you who are going for it. It sure does suck at times when you have to log out on people but ultimately it is worth it.
One piece of advice, don do anything that has a higher than normal danger rating while the servers are laging. Reboot regularly, keep your modem cool, if you play properly and concentrate hard your worst enemy will be server lag. Even if you log out in time the lag to the server can still kill you.
For all those that will not take someone going for survivor in heir group, shame on you. If the group plays well then there should be no need for the person to have to log out. Pull well, watch aggro's and be aware of what is going on around you instead of just blaming those of us that want to achieve this excellent title
Thanks all
Took me 7 days to get my max survivor title on my rit. All I can say is keep trying all those of you who are going for it. It sure does suck at times when you have to log out on people but ultimately it is worth it.
One piece of advice, don do anything that has a higher than normal danger rating while the servers are laging. Reboot regularly, keep your modem cool, if you play properly and concentrate hard your worst enemy will be server lag. Even if you log out in time the lag to the server can still kill you.
For all those that will not take someone going for survivor in heir group, shame on you. If the group plays well then there should be no need for the person to have to log out. Pull well, watch aggro's and be aware of what is going on around you instead of just blaming those of us that want to achieve this excellent title
Thanks all
FalconDance
UPDATE: There is now an assassin Survivor! My guildie was successful!
thor hammerbane
Only experience i've had with this title was a necro warning the party that he was going for survivor title, and said he would zone at any sign of trouble...If I was the party leader, I would boot him right then and there. If you want that title for your char, go for it, but it doesn not make you better than everyone else. The reason you party up with people is to spread the danger around..if one person says he wants no part in it, then dont join parties.
Imaginos
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Originally Posted by coleslawdressin
PVP Deaths should not count, as dying in PVP is inevitable. I am about 3/4th of the way to reaching the final Legendary Survivor. My goal was to make a new character and use them in PVP later on.. Now, I am undecided if I will just get the level 3 survivor and keep it as a PVE-only char once we can buy character slots.. or abandon the survivor track and use them for PVP. This all depends if ArenaNet has any chance of changing the fact that PVP deaths count :/
Some of the people here that say they will refuse survivor characters in their team sicken me. You suck at GW. I have dealt with your type in my new Factions PVE campaign and you reek of "newb". I have played through every single Cantha quest. 80% is with 7 hench, 10% is 6 hench + one friend, 10% is for missions where henchmen are too incompetent (read pick up spear or urn) to complete the mission, especially with a master rating. Yes, the first tier is fairly easy to get. It is difficult to get the second one along with Protector of Cantha, mainly because of other PVE players being incompetent. I got used to just telling my team that if they wiped out I would be quitting, before the mission started. A lot of you with these bogus 70% explored titles need to stop kidding yourselves that you are any good at GW. I am beyond rank 10 in fame and experienced in top level gvg play, including participating in the GWWC playoffs. I have joined a team whose monks refused to use anything but healing (breeze and such). If the other 7 players all die and I leave.. YOU are to blame for it not me. I will survive and you will continue your mediocrity. |
Kijik Oni Hanryuu
I read the first page of this is and all I have to say is damn straight, if ya wanna be a surviving wuss then don't screw over the rest who want to complete the mission.
Kijik Oni Hanryuu
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Originally Posted by Imaginos
What's your IGN? I'd like to put you on ignore along with all other asshats.
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chone
so i was going to get the title (1) on my new assassin...i decided to type /deaths once i got to minister cho's estate and it says i have died 5 times.
i have not died once. i have not entered any missions, no arenas, none of the event crap or anything. i've gone afk once and i stayed right where i was. i'm only level 11!...i've only been playing for a few hours, lol, i would know if i died or not.
i understand that the title (at least survivor(1)) is no big deal at all, but to get robbed like this is pretty lame.
i have not died once. i have not entered any missions, no arenas, none of the event crap or anything. i've gone afk once and i stayed right where i was. i'm only level 11!...i've only been playing for a few hours, lol, i would know if i died or not.
i understand that the title (at least survivor(1)) is no big deal at all, but to get robbed like this is pretty lame.
Silent Kitty
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Originally Posted by chone
so i was going to get the title (1) on my new assassin...i decided to type /deaths once i got to minister cho's estate and it says i have died 5 times.
i have not died once. i have not entered any missions, no arenas, none of the event crap or anything. i've gone afk once and i stayed right where i was. i'm only level 11!...i've only been playing for a few hours, lol, i would know if i died or not. i understand that the title (at least survivor(1)) is no big deal at all, but to get robbed like this is pretty lame. |
Kijik Oni Hanryuu
Ima go for survivor on my ranger and my rit, if my rit hasn't died yet...
Plushie Penguin
this title kind of tags you as a coward, anyone who is going for that title is kicked out of my parties
jaibas17
im gonna try to get survivor on n assasin, but to play safely i will be a a/r with pet and marksmanship skills (getting way from the front lines quite helps)
rheasaffier
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Originally Posted by zakaria
Seekers of this title must stop joining PUGs parties, they leave parties in the middle of quests or missions when they sense any danger of getting killed.You are ruinning parties and we have to start from beginning.
Please all seekers of this title play with henchmen not with us. |
just add me when u go for it
petra
Arkantos
I'm going for survivor on my monk, but im going with all henchies until I get the title.
Anyways, I agree that people shouldnt leave because they might die/break a nail or whatever. But excluding people from your group who have the survivor title is wrong. How do you know there gonna quit? Its just like saying I dont want assassins in my group, they die too fast. Also, to all of you calling them newbs/idiots/whatever, what are you proving? Your making yourself look foolish by saying something like that. One day you'll run into someone going for survivor, you'll call them something, and you'll see them die. How are you gonna feel? Pretty weird, huh?
Anyways, I agree that people shouldnt leave because they might die/break a nail or whatever. But excluding people from your group who have the survivor title is wrong. How do you know there gonna quit? Its just like saying I dont want assassins in my group, they die too fast. Also, to all of you calling them newbs/idiots/whatever, what are you proving? Your making yourself look foolish by saying something like that. One day you'll run into someone going for survivor, you'll call them something, and you'll see them die. How are you gonna feel? Pretty weird, huh?
Arkantos
I'm going for survivor on my monk, but im going with all henchies until I get the title.
Anyways, I agree that people shouldnt leave because they might die/break a nail or whatever. But excluding people from your group who have the survivor title is wrong. How do you know there gonna quit? Its just like saying I dont want assassins in my group, they die too fast. Also, to all of you calling them newbs/idiots/whatever, what are you proving? Your making yourself look foolish by saying something like that. One day you'll run into someone going for survivor, you'll call them something, and you'll see them die. How are you gonna feel? Before you say something, make sure your right.
Anyways, I agree that people shouldnt leave because they might die/break a nail or whatever. But excluding people from your group who have the survivor title is wrong. How do you know there gonna quit? Its just like saying I dont want assassins in my group, they die too fast. Also, to all of you calling them newbs/idiots/whatever, what are you proving? Your making yourself look foolish by saying something like that. One day you'll run into someone going for survivor, you'll call them something, and you'll see them die. How are you gonna feel? Before you say something, make sure your right.
Traveller
There was a guy like that in my Vizunah local team.
First death, he ragequit, and the rest of the team followed (since he was the only monk of our team).
I don't discriminate against quitters based on are they going for Survivor title or not. It's still just as lame. If there are more of you out there that think like the guy in my example, don't bother trying to PUG, please, for the rest of us.
First death, he ragequit, and the rest of the team followed (since he was the only monk of our team).
I don't discriminate against quitters based on are they going for Survivor title or not. It's still just as lame. If there are more of you out there that think like the guy in my example, don't bother trying to PUG, please, for the rest of us.
Mala
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Originally Posted by The Legg
hey all,
Took me 7 days to get my max survivor title on my rit. All I can say is keep trying all those of you who are going for it. It sure does suck at times when you have to log out on people but ultimately it is worth it. |
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Originally Posted by The Legg
For all those that will not take someone going for survivor in heir group, shame on you. If the group plays well then there should be no need for the person to have to log out. Pull well, watch aggro's and be aware of what is going on around you instead of just blaming those of us that want to achieve this excellent title Thanks all |
Sorry if i'm a bit pyro, but this just ticked me off.
Cyan The Archer
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Originally Posted by Arkantos
I'm going for survivor on my monk, but im going with all henchies until I get the title.
Anyways, I agree that people shouldnt leave because they might die/break a nail or whatever. But excluding people from your group who have the survivor title is wrong. How do you know there gonna quit? Its just like saying I dont want assassins in my group, they die too fast. Also, to all of you calling them newbs/idiots/whatever, what are you proving? Your making yourself look foolish by saying something like that. One day you'll run into someone going for survivor, you'll call them something, and you'll see them die. How are you gonna feel? Pretty weird, huh? |
Those people with Survivor have it because they havent been killed, and they are most likely to go for the next tier.
It's alot harder to know if the Assassin's are Whammos in disquise.
Silent Kitty
I bet when my "survivor" monks stands there, I still get blind invites
CKaz
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Originally Posted by Traveller
There was a guy like that in my Vizunah local team.
I don't discriminate against quitters based on are they going for Survivor title or not. It's still just as lame. If there are more of you out there that think like the guy in my example, don't bother trying to PUG, please, for the rest of us. |
My new monk is going for survivor. I've henched the whole way or played with other survivors so far, almost exclusively - much more henching or with my pet. However I've also PuG'd missions like Chos - myself, another survivor (so monk and rit) and two crazy squishies (lol) where we still kept them going and got masters. I'm not about to quit out of a mission take on missions that IMO don't make sense for survivalists (ie VSquare). I'd have thought the path is clearly head to LA/Prophecy track after hitting Kaineng/Marketplace.
Similiarly coming from the opposite side, I don't announce I'm a survivalist. As I'm taking no real chances with group mix and character levels, if my (rare) PUG experience has life at risk non-stop then I'll probably have to tell them clean it up or I'll have to leave. Honestly I'd think it'd be almost more likely to encourage some dorks to try and get me killed.
Finally also of note I saw someone mostly AFK, level 4, with equipment I couldnt identify in a dragon ball tournament once. They were getting xp and not moving and our team was getting beat on. I could only think lame survivor move. So I told the other team and they got knocked out
Quitters, afk'ers for free ride at others expense, or worse lamers who even try to help the other team - not fun. I could see survivors in VSquare, particularly a monk, being particularly maddening. However some of us doing it know the game very well, wont take on areas they shouldn't (hopefully the monk was at least level 20 and max armor? lol) while going for the title, and unless the group is a bunch of freaks, you won't even know it.
CKaz
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Originally Posted by EternalTempest
"training" area aka 1.x% of the cantha map..
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CKaz
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Originally Posted by Kaguya
Maybe I play a little more carefully, but I wouldn't quit midgame. It's really a learning experience, makes me add more defensive skills to my build, and it doesn't harm the team to have a careful player with Rebirth to rez them all if need be.
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CKaz
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Originally Posted by Priest Of Sin
I want a Creator Of The Horde title for necro MMs. Every necro would have it, so we could all feel kinda special
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CKaz
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Originally Posted by weez
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So that is how _normal_ people are playing. If someone leaves it is not because of survivor title. It because of the personality of the guy. And sooooo many people leave who are not survivor, just open your eyes. |
I'm just getting going myself, I learned the danger of sentimental treasure quest the first time through (monk lvl17 downed) - nice spiking Ritualist.
I think this is getting waaay overblown, most of us wont touch PUGs, and if we do if anything we'll be rather picky and bring the average up.
Xx Invictus xX
My assassin got the first survivor title... but soon died after lvl 20. The game can be done with henchman so if people do quit thats the way to go. Plus henchman don't complain about assassin's in a group... I'm not sure why, I didn't seem to have a problem, til deep wound & boss afflicted explosion when half health. Other than that I haven't been getting beat up always needing to be healed.
I seen some guy saying all assasin's awful, then started ranting on how a warrior would own a mesmer 1v1...
The max title is equivalent to being level 100... my warrior who started in prophecies has 1.4 million... to me this woulda taken forever, im happy with hitting lvl 20 without dying... and getting the first title
I seen some guy saying all assasin's awful, then started ranting on how a warrior would own a mesmer 1v1...
The max title is equivalent to being level 100... my warrior who started in prophecies has 1.4 million... to me this woulda taken forever, im happy with hitting lvl 20 without dying... and getting the first title
Suuk
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Originally Posted by CKaz
Good post, and big congrats
I'm just getting going myself, I learned the danger of sentimental treasure quest the first time through (monk lvl17 downed) - nice spiking Ritualist. I think this is getting waaay overblown, most of us wont touch PUGs, and if we do if anything we'll be rather picky and bring the average up. |
Griff Mon
Everyone is getting so worked up over this. Now I am as well.
Just bring Legendary Survivors, they have maxed the title and likely don't care anymore about dying. May even have a little party when they do die.
You can hide the title as well, so any survivor can take their title down and play dumb and quit claiming lag.
I am working on the second tier Survivor myself on a new Wa/Mo and it does require a lot of concentration. I am proud of it and respect it when I see it on another player.
I do not quit PuG's because I've been doing it with henchies and guildies who know I am going for it and are there to support. When I do join a PuG I will tell them that I may quit if they are doing a bad job. If they get pissy with me, they can kick me.
The thing that irked me was that on some of my runs that I paid for, I told the rest of the team not to aggro the monsters as I can't die enroute. What did some of them do? Call me chicken**** and go out and aggro the monsters! And I stayed and I killed the monsters and did little dances on the a**holes corpses till the runner made it to the next portal.
BTW, what is the difference between someone who is working on a Survivor Title that quits, and someone that ragequits in FoW over some perceived insult or the stupidity of one or more of the players? I've had monks quit because someone didn't aggro properly or follow their instructions to the letter.
I had a rit go on and on about how we all have to wait until he has four spirits up before we aggro. Do they think outside of their own little world? Do they know that a warriors adreniline drains away if we wait? Do they know that Arcane Echo only has so long before you have to wait for a recharge? Do they care that minions die if you stand around waiting for all the rituals to be done?
So if I quit a few minutes into a mission full of Idiots that aggro everything and can't play, then I am a pain even though I have 30 hours+ on my title because I am wasting their time? Who is wasting who's time? If there are idiots in the PuG then a lot of us would quit anyway, just on general principle and not because of any title we are working on.
Just bring Legendary Survivors, they have maxed the title and likely don't care anymore about dying. May even have a little party when they do die.
You can hide the title as well, so any survivor can take their title down and play dumb and quit claiming lag.
I am working on the second tier Survivor myself on a new Wa/Mo and it does require a lot of concentration. I am proud of it and respect it when I see it on another player.
I do not quit PuG's because I've been doing it with henchies and guildies who know I am going for it and are there to support. When I do join a PuG I will tell them that I may quit if they are doing a bad job. If they get pissy with me, they can kick me.
The thing that irked me was that on some of my runs that I paid for, I told the rest of the team not to aggro the monsters as I can't die enroute. What did some of them do? Call me chicken**** and go out and aggro the monsters! And I stayed and I killed the monsters and did little dances on the a**holes corpses till the runner made it to the next portal.
BTW, what is the difference between someone who is working on a Survivor Title that quits, and someone that ragequits in FoW over some perceived insult or the stupidity of one or more of the players? I've had monks quit because someone didn't aggro properly or follow their instructions to the letter.
I had a rit go on and on about how we all have to wait until he has four spirits up before we aggro. Do they think outside of their own little world? Do they know that a warriors adreniline drains away if we wait? Do they know that Arcane Echo only has so long before you have to wait for a recharge? Do they care that minions die if you stand around waiting for all the rituals to be done?
So if I quit a few minutes into a mission full of Idiots that aggro everything and can't play, then I am a pain even though I have 30 hours+ on my title because I am wasting their time? Who is wasting who's time? If there are idiots in the PuG then a lot of us would quit anyway, just on general principle and not because of any title we are working on.
Riken Chrono
IDC What anyone says here but if you're commited to get the title, ANYONE here would logout or ragequit. People still trying to survivors will still get into groups. Just Hide the title and they cant see it anymore so the other playes dont know. So if your trying for survivor title and your arguing about this, you shouldnt be because anyone here would ragequit.
Nivryx
i honestly havent noticed anyone leaving when they would think they are in dangerso i don't know what your talking about.
Pkest
couldn't the leavers problem be fixed (somewhat) if anet allowed a hench with the same primary to replace them automatically in a mission? (or any instanced area for that matter) Give the hench the same dp the leaver had to avoid some sort of exploitation.
quanzong
I say this Survivor (3) title is WAY more better than K O A B D, I think if you get Survivor (3) thats like getting crystalline 15% dmg ALWAYS with max dmg, no counters.