Petition to fix the gold drops.

This needs to be addressed, and fast.

Perfect gold drops in Guild Wars: Prophecies and Guild Wars: Factions are becoming way too common, and this is going to make the market plummet. No longer do you see Price Checks for the otherwise "crappy" or "common" gold items you'd see pre-update. No, now 80-90% of drops are perfect or damn-well near it. This is ridiculous.

That perfect Fellblade or Chaos Axe you spent weeks farming for now seems like it was all a waste. Why? Well, you can blame it partially on new skins in Factions, but the majority of the reason is because of the new perfect drop ratio. I mean, come on. Req 8 15^50 Fellblades for 100k + 15-20 ecto??

I'm proposing that AreaNet fix this new perfect drop ratio, for the sake of the collectors as well as the fun and thrill of PvE. It starts getting boring real fast when you have an inventory full of perfect weapons and nothing else to do.

Now I know this probably won't go well, seeing as I'm asking you to sign a petition to DECREASE perfect drops, but this is in the best interest of Guild Wars, as well as securing the games future.

-Chris

Ummm, perfect gold drops wont make the economy plummet IMO, because there are always those rare skins taht hardly ever drop, and those are the ones taht keep the economy running, I mean i hve otten MANY perfect "War Axes" in ch1, but NEVER gotten a perfect "Serpent Axe", the increase of perfect gold drops won't highly effect the economy IMO.

/notsigned

I also saw how you addressed the perf fellblade and chaos axe perfect drop increase, and I have seen a lot of this, and this may effect the ch1 economy in a slight way, but there are always rarer skins (to think about it, not a lot rarer than perf fellblade in ch1), but I think GW is trying to get us away form ch1 items, and get us into ch2 items.... which isn't a bad idea, they want us to use the new content.

/not signed

i havnt gotten a perf drop yet, let alone a gold. tho, i did get a +30 bow dat wuz purple and a +28 blue bow in desert

Exactly what I mean. +30HP mods on purples? +28 on BLUES?

How could the market not plummet from this kind of stuff?

By Chapter 3 we'll be telling our kids stories...stories about how back in the "old days" Guild Wars had a booming economy - about how people could search for rare items and trade them for a profit. Yep...back in the good ol' days.

Seeing as how ANet's version of a utopian economy is simply to devalue perfection by such a severe degree that everyone in the world is simply broke...

/signed

/signed

Was wondering when somebody was gonna start a thread like this...

I think it's okay to up the drop quality of mods, like Fortitude or Sundering, but please please leave the inherent mods like 15>50 alone!

/notsigned

this is anets fix to the gold farmers that sell their wares on ebay for real life money. by lowering the economy prices, they make it to where everyone can afford a good looking, useful item. this game was divided into 2 groups. the rich and those that scraped by. they want to have a common blend between the two.

Most of the people that were rich "pre-update" were those that either invested in something (runes, sigils, what have you..), farmed hard, and/or were packrats. It wasn't hard to get rich pre-update if you knew what you were doing.

I believe we can still have a blend of the "rich and poor" in this game, just not at the current ratio. They should pull it back a bit.

-Chris

Ok, so like, because of gold farmers I should lose a half million in 24 hours? That sounds fair to me! Oh...wait...that's completely counter-intuitive isn't it? I mean, hell, with the projected loss in value on everything I own, I ought to e-bay just to get back up to where I WAS! Of course I won't...e-baying sucks, but only *slightly* more than having to refarm everything you lost after ANet crashed the economy on purpose.

A couple of months ago, remember when all the traders reset? Everyone bought out sup sorbs and vigors, as well as shards, sapphires, and rubies? Everything had to be reset...the whole server needed to be rolled back. Today I wonder if ANet would even bother...all that stuff has been cut in half or more for price, and no-one wants to invest in it because it's too volatile to even try (unless you're rich and have balls of steel).

I think ANet should cut the BS out and set the economy back to the way it was. Put some value back in materials - make rare finds actually rare. I don't like being pissed on and told that it's raining. If they want to make it so that everyone can have the best by making the best just as common as dirt, then they should cut the crap and just make it so that PvE character creation will be exactly the same as PvP character creation. Just slap on your choice of 15K/FoW armor, max damage/rare skinned weapons, skills and elites, and go. Hell, that's basically what it's become anyways. Why even bother with the illusion that it takes any effort to get the best in this game now? Compared to when the game came out...or even six or three months ago...hell, even last week...everything has just because so much easier to get. The quality of drops, and the value of rare skins and materials just seems to scale depending on how much the GW community bitches.

Well, they finally did it. ANet just threw out the baby with the bath water. I don't know all the pressures they bowed to to implement the crap-tacular "changes" (I'd call it vandalism) they've inflicted on what used to be an economy, but I guess they got thier way. Congratulations - we're all poor now. Happy?

Screw it - I'm going to PvP. PvE finally turned into the giant clusterf*** that everyone wanted it to be.

-Jessyi

/signed

I have no interest in playing a game where everyone looks the same and is using the same equipment. I don't promote elitism or bot farming by any means but I feel there should be a certain amount of work involved in obtaining the most popular items. There should be a reward for hard work and time spent (to some extent). This change is simply eliminating one more goal to accomplish. Without having to spend any time to obtain my weapon of choice I can promise you many peoples interest level, including mine will decline rapidly. Whats the point of spending so much time and effort on FOW runs, or other similarily challenging areas, when perfect Fellblades and Chaos axes are common place? Getting that random drop is like hitting a mini lottery and I'd hate to see that ruined.

ehh, jhardman you make more good drops seem communist lol.
above when i signed, i did meant it, just not in the way other people mean it, this MIGHT be GW's way to crck down on ebay'ers .... but get serious, its their money... not anyone elses, and its not that hard for GW to catch them, they just choose not to because they also understand that banning 1/5 of the community for ebaying wouldnt be a good business desicion, also, i have many friend that ebay just because they would rather work an extra hour at work, instead of grinding for a day or two MAYBE MORE....

once again, i DO agree with what someone said that having +30 hp mods on purps and blues would do some messing up to the ADD ON MODS, but then again i feel sorry for those people who dont want to get into the "monolpoly" of GW, and would just like a quiet GW life in PVE or PVP, so this would help them (the majority of the GW community can not afford perfect items)

and in any game the majority is what matters.

/notsigned²

also, as i stated its the RARE items that keep this economy running not the PERFECT drops, tell me next time you see people spamming about how much they wouild want a perfect war axe, they dont because its easy to get, and the war axes dont mess up the ch1 economy now do they...

The only thing that annoys me about these new drops is that while doing old missions for the bonus i get the odd gold drop for me. It seems most of the time this thing is perfect, hell i got a perfect 15^50 req7 Sephis Axe the other day, the only slightly was that it was so far from max damage it was worthless! All these perfect stats on clearly not perfect weapons is just fustrating, specially when it seems they never salvage properly!

/notsigned

Why do people care if they have a super rare item? Who the heck is going to notice? Who cares how much Gold you have? What are you saving it for, anyway?

IMO, everyone should have access to Runes of Sup Vigor, max mods, and perfect weapons. It just makes sense.

Now, you want a super-rare skin that confers no actual bonus? That's cool with me.

But you really expect me to feel sorry for you because your perfect Golds aren't worth a zillion Gold anymore? Sorry, I don't. You invested in a speculative market, and as the game goes on, prices will continue to fall as

• more people play

• better collector items are available

• drop rates increase

You're missing the point.

This isn't about stopping the ratio so we can all be "l33t haxz0rz wit 0ur crystalline sw0rds LoLZzzzz", its about having something to work for in the game. Whats the point of continuing PvE after beating it if theres nothing to work for?

I kind of have mixed feelings on the whole thing. Before Factions, I NEVER got a single perfect gold drop. I never got a Sup Absorb. After Factions came out I have gotten an Absorb and I have gotten two perfect gold drops (A staff and a hammer...both with excellent perfect mods). While I do like the thought of being able to get the really good max stuff, I dunno...it just seems like the sheer thrill of IDing a max perfect drop would just...go away after a while, as the max golds get more common.

So after thinking it over I would have to say...even though I do like the thought of being able to get the "good stuff", I think the gold items should have the word "rare" attached to them for a reason.

"Fix" the gold drops...

/signed

/notsigned

My first perfect weapon I get, ever, and you want to nerf the drops? No thanks.

You know that was a bug right? That's why they locked it down and fixed it so rapidly.

And as to the whole "They've killed the economy" tirades...

Do you play the game for making money, or the missions, PVPing and exploration? I mean seriously, if you have "nothing to do" because your Fellblade is *only* worth 100k + 20ectos... wow, why do you just find a game called Market Economics and leave Guild Wars alone?

ANet has said from the start, they want to keep the division between the "new player" and the "experienced player" minimal, so that the only real difference is skill. They didn't want Level 80 whatevers smashing a level 10 into the ground. You're "better" by being more skilled not because you can afford to sit at a computer 12 hours a day.

So if a "perfect" mod or rune is only affordable to the rich and "can spend all day on the game" types, that is a thematically unattainable advantage to the masses.

So ANet evened it up, now you can get the Mods you want for cheap.

You want to be "uber kewl" and "leet" because you know all the super-rare places to farm or you can amass billions upon billions of gold? Woo hoo, go all out, yee-haw and um... good on you. Guess what, if the price of FoW armor and rare skins remains the same, while everything else goes down, you can still have your "I'm super leet kewl and original!" armor and weapon designs.

Am I coming off sarcastic to those that trivialize this game into goal of amassing wealth? Sure, cause I don't think that's what this game is about.

In PVP do I care how I or my opponent looks? No, I just care that I'm standing at the end of the match.

In PVE do I care how my team's armor and weapons look? Well, there is the intial "that's cool" (which is usually a factor of dye designs, not skins), but that fades away. Generally when I use my character to persue a storyline... I care about the storyline.

Don't get me wrong, I like to personalize my character, give them a certain look or theme, sure... but it's HARDLY my goal here. I play the game.

So your now complaining that you might get all the perfect rare skin weapons you want and now you think that not everyone should have access to them? If you have 8 sets of FoW armour, perfect rare skin weapons and too much spare gold, i think you need to get a life (or stop ebaying). Otherwise they're will ALWAYS be something to work towards.

P.S. Crystalline Swords look shit.

Way to consider only yourself.

It was fun to farm an occasionally find that one gold drop that you could live on for a few weeks. Now nothing's worth enough to buy a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing set of armor. Ectos have bottomed out. The speculated rubies and sapphires netted me(and several friends) some 200k+ in loss because they dont have a (promised) use.

/signed to the fourth

/notsigned

Reason? Comments? Feedback?



http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3023788

ok, you guys boggle my mind, CH1 PERFECT ITEMS ARE DROPPING MORE, BUT LIKE I SAID SHIT SKINNED, show me a GODLY rare skinned item that you see DROP ALOT, also tehy are TRYING to make ch1 weapons MORE comon so CANTHAN weapons come into play... use your brain it helps.

/notsigned²

/not signed

They just fixed the drop rates because rares we next to never dropping.

This is rediculous. I shouldn't have to farm 100k to get upgrades that will make me competitive. Sorry, unlike you, i'd rather play the game than waste my time farming. Playing through the game ONCE NORMALLY should give you enough money to get max armor/weapons from crafters and max upgrades for each character you do it for. Thats how the game was intended.

I can MAYBE agree with you about the different skinned weapons. If pvers want their rewards and whatnot then they can have their precious weapon/armor skins. The pvper that doesn't care about appearance doesn't really have a right to complain about not having the best LOOKING items in the game. If thats what you want, go farm pve.

People continue to play the game for "rewards."
PVE: fissure armor/rare items
PVP: rank/fame/faction and whatnot

no matter how hard they try, Anet will never be able to merge the two. I gave up believing it. PvPers cried for items they didn't want to farm for, and PvEers cried for "titles" they didn't want to pvp for. So here we are.

As far as weapon upgrades: until we see a upgrade crafter/trader, they need to drop MUCH more often, and this update helped.
For skinned items: the arguement can go either way. It can be said that Anet did what they needed to do, which was cut down the incentive to farm, rather than nerf item drops at farming locations. Should people be rewarded for farming? is the big question, I guess. Personally, I think its stupid and no reward should be given for people who mindlessly exploit bad monster AI for hours. You want replayability and dynamic gameplay? Go PvP. They are not taking away your rewards for PVEing, they are taking away your rewards for FARMING. Lack of PvE content is another story, which is hard to change due to its static nature, but if you want replayability and dont want to pvp, then maybe this isn't the game for you.

Keep in mind, this is coming from a PvPer with no money

Gold drops is already fixed.
No more fixes is required.
Thank you.

/not signed, of course

/not signed

Hmm, well now that mod prices are down it means ppl can compete on a more level playing field. What do you work for in PvE?

Rare skins: plenty of rare skins out there that ppl are dying to get but don't know where to find em. Go find em. And ya, I'm not talking about the things that you mentioned like Chaos Axes and Fellblades, because frankly believe it or not they're not that rare. Also try and figure out where those new greens drop. Though greens gradually get crappy in price over time, there are some that I've seen being sold that have such an awesome skin that it will definitely take a long time for the price to diminish.

Titles: See I believe achievements should be fun to obtain, like the title for 1000 hours of drunkeness or trying to explore 100% of the landscape. What is not fun? Killing the same thing over and over again, that's what. Plenty of fun titles for both PvE and PvP

Skills: The game is all about the skills. Get all the skilltz!

Gold: Pretty much every quest rewards you with gold, and once you choose a side it rewards you with faction, which you can trade in for jadeite/amber, which in turn can be converted into gold. I've made a pretty decent profit just going around playing factions. I haven't even farmed a thing yet and I'm gaining income. Sure you have to buy all the skills, but I've been buying all kids of skills and I've still come out making more money than I spent. Who knows how much money I'll make once I stop needing to buy skills!

Missions: Plenty of missions to get your name out there for the world to see. Oh, you can farm? Who can't? Try and prove that you've really got what it takes and get yourself a high score.

The same old weapons: So ya, the prices of all this stuff is dropping but at the same time there's more of it dropping! Ya the price of sup absorption is down to half what it was, but guess what, it's dropping over twice as often! You've just got to find the right spots, and believe me I can garuntee you there are some right spots out there some of my guildies have found. The prices of the items are going down, but the quantity in which they drop is going up. Because of this, all the new and old players alike can have a chance to purchase fairly decent/near perfect stuff and the ppl with more cash can purchase the best stuff. All in all they'll be pretty fairly matched equiptment wise and competitive playwise will be fine and dandy.

Anet wants people to enjoy the game, and they know farmers are all over the game, so they have ways for farmers to earn money. At the same time, you should have to earn what you get. And if you've been farming the same monsters, and trying to sell the same kinds of mods over and over than I think it's fair that every once in a while Anet mixes things up so that instead of being lazy and staying on the same stuff all the time, you'll have to go around and find a new way to make money.

But most importantly, and so many ppl that complain about things like this seem to miss this: Whats the point of continuing PvE? To have fun.

EDIT: Forgot this--> /notsigned

/notsigned.

It's nice getting a decent drop now and then (and I really mean that - got one decent Cleaver from a chest, not any other gold drops in Factions so far) without extreme farming. In fact, I couldn't even get golds before even with extreme farming. People have to farm about 100k gold, to trade to other farmers with fancy weapons, who buy other fancy stuff. All while the middle class of the economy wanders around, watching these people brag about their super exclusive items.

I used to be really poor, even with extreme farming my highest gold level was about 20k. Only have 100k now due to selling my minipet. Which I have to commend ANet developers for - a coveted item for everyone (after a year), not just those who can kill the most Aatxes.

/notsigned

the market was getting ridiculous. In fact, i know someone who just make almost 1.5 MILLION on ONE sword. but you know whats funny? It was a super rare skin. That pretty much echoes every other /notsigned comment about that. This will make the game more challanging to PLAY, which i rather prefer than wasting my time selling in LA for an item I wasted my time to get gold I really dont need. I have lived off of 50k or less pretty much the entire time ive played across every character (i have been playing since the first beta). And I have not had a problem.

Plus, your bitching about something you know nothing about, the new game/system is not even a week old yet. How many of you even REMEMBER the first months of CH1? Prices will even out for you lamers who spend forever doing nothing but the gold grinder all day. If you like doing that, go ahead and do, if your so pissed off about this market equalization, then go play WoW, I heard they like people like you there.

/notsigned

Why?
You can't make everyone happy, personally as a person that never gets great drops and still hasn't amounted to the required amount of 65k for a nice 15k set of gladiator's, I think this makes it better. The game was made upon the foundation of skill, thus an update to level out the same monotonus genre of farming that every other game has aquired in its history. What's better than to bring in an update that makes everything more skill based than farming based? The game is about skill, not money. Last time I saw it, skills are what we use, and what are implied to use mainly. If your not playing the game for skill, then maybe your not happy playing it. I'm certainly not, because PvP has only made me happy, and my transition to PvE has made my overall experience worse.

/not signed

I look forward to seeing more good drops in the future on weapons. Weapons, rare or not in this game, should not be valued so high anyway.

I still have yet to get a superior absorbtion from something, and it seems like I've been playing this game for way to long to not even see one yet (besides from the trader).

/notsigned im rich now

/notsigned

The economy is fine, don't worry about it. This is just ANET's way of reducing grind and killing sweatshop farmers.

Think about the poor lil azn sweat shop workers who will lose there jobs now... did you really make the right decision by not signing?

/signed

"oh no, I can't get rich anymore by selling a sword hilt for 100k+ecto"

Does this sound like you, if so, I say "die in a fire." I'm happy to finally be getting things I can use without paying an arm and a leg for them, why do you have to rain on my parade?

/notsigned because i swear to god i have like a -500 luck modification on my account lol.

even with the new increased drops, i still only rarely see rares drop.. did IronMines + THK + Ring of Fire + Abaddons Mouth + Hells Precipice and 2 ToPK Runs.. in total i only saw about 5 rares drop.. so its not like every kill is a rare.

as it is.. a guildie of mine got this while we were out fighting..

he let me superior salvage it for the 20/20 and got a steel ignot...

That's not what this was about and I don't appreciate your rude comment.

unsigned



Worst gold drop I've ever had, yesterday

Guildwars wasn't Made to Farm.

/notsigned. (of course)