Title says all. The whole thing. Where to start?
Shiro Tagachi. Unless I'm missing something, he killed the emporer told him the emporer would kill him (Let me get this straight... because Shiro is a good warrior)? C'mon... you can do better than that. Even the death scene was generic and cliche.
Ok, so now that we've established that Shiro's motives were based purely on his idiocy, let's question why he got his powers. Being an exceptional warrior is one thing, but I think A.Net would have established why his magic were greater than the powers of the tombs of the gods Vazier unraveled. Sure, the tombs sank a continent, but Shiro's cry turned a see to jade, a forest to stone, spawned a plague which essential turns countless people into zombie slaves, and made the forest's guardians go insane.
While I often wonder what the hell the writers were thinking when they made the story, I also wonder what the cenematic director and voice actors were smoking. I applaud A.Net for trying to include more action in their cenematics, but it truly is not working. The fact that they use the in-game emote/battle animation for 90 percent of all cenematic movements becomes much more apperant as you watch someone die from a swing of a sword that did not even touch them. Personaly, I thought whole cenematic where Shiro confronts Nika's anscestor were hillarious and horribly done at the same time.
And last but not least, the voice acting. Nuff' said.
:::SPOILERS::: Quite possibly a worst storyline than Prophecies?:::SPOILERS:::
BigTru
Arkantos
The prophecies storyline was actually quite good....I'm liking factions, too.
Studio Ghibli
What BD said.
I also enjoyed the fight between Shiro and Nika. I thought it was both clever and creative.
I also enjoyed the fight between Shiro and Nika. I thought it was both clever and creative.
pigdestroyer
if you hate so much guild wars, why do you still play it? why are you registered to a fan forum?
I dont get you whiners
I dont get you whiners
jackie
Don't expect Planescape Torment around every corner.
Guild Wars Factions has good story and interesting characters (especially those four 'angels' They are über cool ;D . I don't mind if in-game cinematics aren't like in some Metal Gear Solid Twin Snakes or something - they are still pretty good.
Guild Wars Factions has good story and interesting characters (especially those four 'angels' They are über cool ;D . I don't mind if in-game cinematics aren't like in some Metal Gear Solid Twin Snakes or something - they are still pretty good.
Manic Smile
Only good in how much it sucked...like a B rate horror movie...THEIR LIPS DO NOT MOVE.
but I still love this game...I just take the movies as comedic entertainment instead of serirously.
but I still love this game...I just take the movies as comedic entertainment instead of serirously.
chessduffer
Their Lips don't move, because the game covers many languages. They would have to lip sync the animation to every language. The fact that the lips don't move should not hinder your experience.
Manic Smile
it doesn't have to mimik any language just 'move'...like up and down...make a fish mouth who cares...hell use sign language...but ffs no telepathy xD
Rogier
i disliked the story line a bit, it was a bit too simple, something like: OK guys, he's the bad guy, we need this and this to kill him. OK that didn't work, now go to him and kill him! it was a bit too simple for me 
PicardSunstar
it was better than Charr --> Dwarves --> Krytans --> Jungle people --> Hanging out in the sand --> More dwarves --> kill some titans GG
the reason i say that is because the storyline jumps around so much its like...wtf happend to the ascalon people? and Why did we go into the jungle again? at least this game sticks with one storyline...quit complaining or dont play the game
the reason i say that is because the storyline jumps around so much its like...wtf happend to the ascalon people? and Why did we go into the jungle again? at least this game sticks with one storyline...quit complaining or dont play the game
Shusky
Yes, storyline in both chapters sucks 
And the fact that there's a grand total of 2 good voice actors there, for Emperor and Elder Rhea, doesn't really help. But Guild Wars isn't really about storyline, fortunately.
And the fact that there's a grand total of 2 good voice actors there, for Emperor and Elder Rhea, doesn't really help. But Guild Wars isn't really about storyline, fortunately.
fiery
Worst cinematic fight was Shiro vs Vizu or Visu whichever.
lyra_song
I dont know about you guys, but GW has a nice storyline. A very typical RPG-ish storyline (Have one specific quest, then get side tracked to a much larger and more important thing going on in the world).
I havent finished factions yet (lvl 5 Mo/Rt!!) so i cant comment on its storyline.
I havent finished factions yet (lvl 5 Mo/Rt!!) so i cant comment on its storyline.
Terra Xin
Well you know how in some of the missions there are like statues or plaques that you can read? The stories of how the 8 guardians came about. (Ref: Tahnnakai Temple) IMO some of them are really really interesting... but brief... I can't use any other explanation other than.... brief.
I want to see more interaction with the actual skills and the storyline. Some of the factions skills (like prophecies) have skills that are named after npc characters (ref: Jamei's Gaze) but there's no storyline to it... that I know of
Someone care to point me the way?
I want to see more interaction with the actual skills and the storyline. Some of the factions skills (like prophecies) have skills that are named after npc characters (ref: Jamei's Gaze) but there's no storyline to it... that I know of
Someone care to point me the way?
Mr_T_bot
The problem is the plot "twists" in Prophecies could kill a person if hit head on, but in Factions, there are plot holes big enough to fly a 747 through.
JR
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Such a good game.
But indeed; with what Anet is trying to accomplish, they probably don't have the resources to make everything top notch. Obviously cinematics and voice acting weren't a primary concern, and rightly so in my opinion.
hyro yamaguchi
Haha indeed the in-game movies suck, yesterday, in a movie somewhere at the start (near market place or something), shiro was in it, only so was a tengu, who actually was attacking him whlie he was talking! I mean, come on, an almighty ghost, walking towards another person, talking to that person, and getting stabbed in the back by a tengu, with full battle animations. just walk away crippled from a warrior attacking you, and see how silly taht looks.
*thumbs down*
*thumbs down*
Beat_Go_Stick
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if you hate so much guild wars, why do you still play it? why are you registered to a fan forum?
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It feels to me like they didn't really put much thought nor effort into the Factions plot. It's like they just said, "We need an enemy!", invented one, and threw it all together in a straight line for us to walk along.
As for why we still play and comment here, it's because we loved Prophecies and want A.Net to know that we weren't satisfied. It was one among my favorite games of all time. I would have gladly waited another 6 months for A.Net to flush out the story in Factions and make it the equivalent of the first chapter in quality and depth rather than making my feel like a killing machine along for a ride on a roller coaster with no bumps and one track.
What I don't understand is why Trolls feel the need to just come in, shout "Stop playing then, whiner!", and think that it's in any way constructive
BigTru
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if you hate so much guild wars, why do you still play it? why are you registered to a fan forum?
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The storyline in both games seem to be done by amateurs. When I read the lore for the manuals and thewebsite, I think to myself "Wow. This is going to be a great story". Then I actually play through the game and become dissapointed (happened both times).
As for being called a whiner, what exactly am I whining about? Whining is usually when you want something changed. I'm just noting that the storyline sucks and hope for a decent discussion that might change my opinion about the story line.
Because you made such a generic and thoughtless post, I will to:
Go away troll!
NinjaKai
Personally I don't find the stories all that interesting myself. It's just sheer curiousity that makes me follow the storylines. Or in factions case if I want my exalted aegis I must follow the storyline.
aron searle
For the type of game a good story is not necassary, but how much better would it be with a story with as much quality as planescape.
One of the problems i had was the story failed to drag me in. It was a chore to watch cini's and read text, rather than an enjoyable part of the game. Maybe this is partly down to the fact that unlick standard RPG,s you dont choose what you say, Leaving you with nothing to do but watch, and when the cinis are so badly done, thats not really immersive enough.
One of the problems i had was the story failed to drag me in. It was a chore to watch cini's and read text, rather than an enjoyable part of the game. Maybe this is partly down to the fact that unlick standard RPG,s you dont choose what you say, Leaving you with nothing to do but watch, and when the cinis are so badly done, thats not really immersive enough.
Kattox1
You KINDA got the whole storyline wrong in that post of yours BigTru.
First of all he killed the Emperor and it is NEVER explained why he actually did it.
Second he was good warrior and using his -evil powers of doom- (tm) he absorbed the Emperor's SOUL and since the Emperor is all high and mighty he kinda started getting infused with serious magical energy which when he died cause the death scream that turned the forest + sea to jade. (As a side note you got the Tyrian destruction thingys wrong: The Vizier sunk the continent accidentally while trying to destroy the Charr using some uber scrolls in the catacombs of Orr. The Tomb of primeval kings has nought to do with it.)
Third. His death cry did NOT make the plague. He became an envoy at his death meaning he is meant to be taking spirits to the mists after death. But being all evil dude filled with hate that he is and using his envoy powers he is trying to still destroy all etc. If you listen to the other envoys during the cutscene where he kills you all off after vizunah square they say that whenever his spirit passes by someone they become infected with the plague.
Oh and finally the voice acting was bad, I admit that, but you cant just start mouthing off a game that has only had a single YEAR of development. Think about that. Most games take MUUUUCCCCHHHH longer unless they are disney movie spawn style.
I LOVE Factions and the storyline is MUCH better thought out than the first games one which I also loved.
First of all he killed the Emperor and it is NEVER explained why he actually did it.
Second he was good warrior and using his -evil powers of doom- (tm) he absorbed the Emperor's SOUL and since the Emperor is all high and mighty he kinda started getting infused with serious magical energy which when he died cause the death scream that turned the forest + sea to jade. (As a side note you got the Tyrian destruction thingys wrong: The Vizier sunk the continent accidentally while trying to destroy the Charr using some uber scrolls in the catacombs of Orr. The Tomb of primeval kings has nought to do with it.)
Third. His death cry did NOT make the plague. He became an envoy at his death meaning he is meant to be taking spirits to the mists after death. But being all evil dude filled with hate that he is and using his envoy powers he is trying to still destroy all etc. If you listen to the other envoys during the cutscene where he kills you all off after vizunah square they say that whenever his spirit passes by someone they become infected with the plague.
Oh and finally the voice acting was bad, I admit that, but you cant just start mouthing off a game that has only had a single YEAR of development. Think about that. Most games take MUUUUCCCCHHHH longer unless they are disney movie spawn style.
I LOVE Factions and the storyline is MUCH better thought out than the first games one which I also loved.
NinjaKai
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First of all he killed the Emperor and it is NEVER explained why he actually did it.
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BigTru
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First of all he killed the Emperor and it is NEVER explained why he actually did it.
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(As a side note you got the Tyrian destruction thingys wrong: The Vizier sunk the continent accidentally while trying to destroy the Charr using some uber scrolls in the catacombs of Orr. The Tomb of primeval kings has nought to do with it.)
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NinjaKai
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It is. Some random fortune teller told him to do it.
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FireKingX
You can't be serious?
It's better than going from 1 story to another without making sense(except maybe the final bit) of prophecies.
Factions has an ACTUAL story.
And voice acting has nothing to do with the story.
It's better than going from 1 story to another without making sense(except maybe the final bit) of prophecies.
Factions has an ACTUAL story.
And voice acting has nothing to do with the story.
NinjaKai
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You can't be serious?
It's better than going from 1 story to another without making sense(except maybe the final bit) of prophecies. Factions has an ACTUAL story. And voice acting has nothing to do with the story. |
BigTru
Voice acting has to do with the presentation of the story. Believe it or not, the actual story is not nearly as important as presentation.
Mithie
The PvE is challenging and fun. The PvP is probably the most robust in any MMO game I've ever played. The visuals are vibrant and beautiful.
Now why, oh why can't Anet hire a half decent storyboard writer instead of handing the plot off to some 7 year old?
Now why, oh why can't Anet hire a half decent storyboard writer instead of handing the plot off to some 7 year old?
Tuoba Hturt Eht
Well, at least the plot is easier to follow this time.
Kakumei
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Believe it or not, the actual story is not nearly as important as presentation.
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BigTru
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In the eyes of twelve-year-olds, sure.
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Storys are like a joke. Presentation is the key. If the story is presented in a convoluted way or too linear, than it will not be as enjoyable as a shotty story presented in a more stylish form.
However, that's irrelevant, as both the "story" and presentation in this game are mediocre, at the very best.
Beat_Go_Stick
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No. My professor had us take a poll of which is more important in a movie/book: presentation or story. Ofcoarse "story" won. However, the our professor soon made it quite apperant that presentation is much, much more important.
Storys are like a joke. Presentation is the key. If the story is presented in a convoluted way or too linear, than it will not be as enjoyable as a shotty story presented in a more stylish form. However, that's irrelevant, as both the "story" and presentation in this game are mediocre, at the very best. |
If I ask you "What do you call a Lima Bean?", you say "What?", and then I say, "A LIMA BEAN!!!" while fire shoots out of my ass, my eyebrows bloom into Daisies, and an army or Pygmy Marmosets springs from my trenchcoat and dances the Funky Chicken, it still doesn't change the fact that that joke behind it sucked!
Meanwhile, if I tell you:
"A bear and a rabbit are taking a dump in the woods.
The bear turns to the rabbit and asks, 'Hey rabbit, do you have a problem with shit sticking to your fur?'
'No.' says the rabbit.
So the bear wipes his ass with the rabbit.
That can be funny even in text if you haven't heard it before. The presentation only becomes more important than the content behind it is that presentation IS (or becomes) the content. Half Life 2 was a perfect example of this. The plot behind that game was god-awful but it was so beautiful that I didn't really mind too much. The graphics (the presentation) BECAME the only good thing about that game and was therefore more important than the plot. Note that that didn't make it a good game, just a lot more acceptable.
Shusky
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Worst cinematic fight was Shiro vs Vizu or Visu whichever.
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I personally rolled around laughing at this one.
And can someone pwease tell Shiro's voice actor not to overdramatize everything? Guy sounds like he could say "my, the weather is fine today" in a tone implying "I burned your house, killed your family and stole your cattle"
Eet GnomeSmasher
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She said it was either Shiro or the Emporer. She never actually told him to kill the Emporer,
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She told Shiro that the Emperor was going to kill him and told him to choose, him or the Emperor. It cant be any more obvious than that. The old lady was telling Shiro to kill the Emperor.
On a side note, I always thought there was some higher force that planned all this. Maybe the fortune teller was part of something to get Shiro to kill the Emperor. Or maybe she was just crazy.
Shusky
The last fortune teller I encountered in GW was hidden in a grain of sand and kept ordering me around for half a game almost having me destroy the world, so I'm going with crazy
SyR1S
Guildwars has one of the worst story lines ever. I mean come on so cliche and predictable not to mention just plain boring. And they also need to work on the animations i mean those ingame cinimatics could be done by a 6 year old. I was hoping factions would have a decent storyline but they dont oh well
GunnerMan1
I did enjoy the sotry. It could have had a bit more to it but its not bad. I do wish lips moved though :P Anyway my complaint is I need to REPLAY it to get other char through just go get the Elite skills etc. Dosen't Anet realise these missions will get incredibly boring by after about the 2nd time playing them for most people?
Chilly Ress
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No. My professor had us take a poll of which is more important in a movie/book: presentation or story. Ofcoarse "story" won. However, the our professor soon made it quite apperant that presentation is much, much more important.
Storys are like a joke. Presentation is the key. If the story is presented in a convoluted way or too linear, than it will not be as enjoyable as a shotty story presented in a more stylish form. However, that's irrelevant, as both the "story" and presentation in this game are mediocre, at the very best. |
So, from what you(and your professor) are saying, is that presentation matters more than content?
If this is true, then my report on the origin of teletubbies that looks FABULOUS would beat out a cure for cancer that is presented less than fabulous?
This is a load of bull, I dont know where you people get this crock.
And by the way, to add my personal opinion, I love the stories in both.
One MORE thing, if you actually had a professor, you would know how to spell, unless you ARE 12 years old...
Lint
I love this faction story line. I don't know why people hate it.