Players who charge to go to Forge
Young_Anakin
Well I'm posting about all the " Running people to Draknor's Forge 3k here 3k there " you know what I mean. It's not just in Beacons Perch where this is happening. People are doing this for Temple of ages, Pikens Square, and it seems like EVERYWHERE. If they can run somewhere then they want to charge people for taking them there. This GREED I'm seeing lately is just sickening and it makes me want to turn All Chat off FOR-GOOD. As a lvl 20 W/Mo I would take time out of my day to go around and help random people who weren't as far as me. Its sad to see this has changed and everyone is making you pay. A level 20 invites you to a party and your thinking..." Wow! what a nice guy this is awsome. I'm going to get to this next area EASY now.." well...then you see he's charging you 500 gold to get you to Gates of Kryta! and you flipping explode on him for being a greedy -----. I see that its a good way to make money, but at what COST? It's getting to be as bad as the trade channel. There needs to be a fix to this. I don't know what they could do to fix this but the only suggestion that I can come up with would be to not allow players to party with a max level character in CERTAIN AREAS unless they were from the same guild as you. This is just my own little suggestion and I don't like it but what else can be done?
Aniewiel
Sad to say, if people have too much money and are dumb enough to pay, this will never end.
However, I have also seen the "anti runner" runners who speak out saying, "Will run you to {insert location here} FOR FREE! Do NOT pay for the trip!"
I always offer to 'run' people places for free. It's one of the ways I'm keeping things "fresh" for my ascended, finished-the-game Me/Mo.
However, I have also seen the "anti runner" runners who speak out saying, "Will run you to {insert location here} FOR FREE! Do NOT pay for the trip!"
I always offer to 'run' people places for free. It's one of the ways I'm keeping things "fresh" for my ascended, finished-the-game Me/Mo.
Ultimate_Gaara
I prefer to play the game it is meant to be played, with skill and not being rushed everywhere... but if people want to go and blow money on rushes to a place so people can laugh at their low level and tell them to go back to pre-searing, so be it I just dont want to hear any complaints about "why cant a lvl 8 find a group around here" because thats just a stupid question
Aniewiel
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Originally Posted by Ultimate_Gaara
I just dont want to hear any complaints about "why cant a lvl 8 find a group around here" because thats just a stupid question
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quanzong
One thing I dont like is when people say they will rush you and leave right away. And they ran off with your money!
Nairo
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Originally Posted by quanzong
One thing I dont like is when people say they will rush you and leave right away. And they ran off with your money!
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As said before, as long as people have money, and they're stupid/gullible enough, this will ALWAYS happen.
Xonic
Hi Ultimate_Gaara
Aracos79
I second the OP. This kind of stuff makes me sick. I spent an hour in Ascalon City last night running people to Piken for free just to piss off the people charging for the service. And Forge running is simply the worst offense. Play the game the way it's meant to be played people. And to head off the rebuttals... yes money is part of the game, but its purpose is NOT to allow you to skip entire sections of the game.
wheel
To summarize my feelings on this subject, I will reference my Droknar's Forge Rushing FAQ thread.
wheel
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Originally Posted by Aracos79
Play the game the way it's meant to be played people. And to head off the rebuttals... yes money is part of the game, but its purpose is NOT to allow you to skip entire sections of the game.
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Janos Harr
You know, I just wanna say that this is an offered ''service'' that you personally have the option of using or not. I myself like the fact that people offer to do this. Reason being? I have a lvl 20 Warrior & Monk already. Now, I want to start a Mesmer and I don't really feel like going through the trouble of waiting my new character is lvl 15-20 before getting Forge armor. What reason do I have not to let some other lvl 20 have a measly 3k? Money's not an issue to me, but time is. 3k to have forge armor on a lvl 10 or below? Worth it.
Just my $.02
Just my $.02
Jon Snow
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Originally Posted by quanzong
One thing I dont like is when people say they will rush you and leave right away. And they ran off with your money!
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Also, here's some advice if you do decide to pay for a forge rush: although the rusher doesn't *have* to be a W/Mo to complete the run, it's much more difficult with other configurations. For example, when you see a level 15 necromancer charging 3k up front for rushes to the forge, you should probably be slightly suspicious.
(and yes, I really saw a level 15 necromancer pull that scam successfully, despite my clear warnings to her customers that she had zero chance of completing the run.)
Young_Anakin
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Originally Posted by Janos Harr
You know, I just wanna say that this is an offered ''service'' that you personally have the option of using or not. I myself like the fact that people offer to do this. Reason being? I have a lvl 20 Warrior & Monk already. Now, I want to start a Mesmer and I don't really feel like going through the trouble of waiting my new character is lvl 15-20 before getting Forge armor. What reason do I have not to let some other lvl 20 have a measly 3k? Money's not an issue to me, but time is. 3k to have forge armor on a lvl 10 or below? Worth it.
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Odd Sock
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Originally Posted by Aniewiel
Sad to say, if people have too much money and are dumb enough to pay, this will never end.
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Originally Posted by Aniewiel
However, I have also seen the "anti runner" runners who speak out saying, "Will run you to {insert location here} FOR FREE! Do NOT pay for the trip!"
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Originally Posted by Aniewiel
I always offer to 'run' people places for free. It's one of the ways I'm keeping things "fresh" for my ascended, finished-the-game Me/Mo.
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Originally Posted by Ultimate_Gaara
I prefer to play the game it is meant to be played, with skill and not being rushed everywhere...
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Originally Posted by Ultimate_Gaara
but if people want to go and blow money on rushes to a place so people can laugh at their low level and tell them to go back to pre-searing
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Originally Posted by Ultimate_Gaara
so be it I just dont want to hear any complaints about "why cant a lvl 8 find a group around here" because thats just a stupid question
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Originally Posted by Aracos79
Play the game the way it's meant to be played people. And to head off the rebuttals... yes money is part of the game, but its purpose is NOT to allow you to skip entire sections of the game.
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Originally Posted by Young_Anakin
This is an offered service but its getting out of hand. You shouldn't have to pay someone to take you somewhere in the first place. Almost everytime I go somewhere now and try to get a group going I get some whacko who wants to rush us through for a certain amount of gold.
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wheel
odd sock has hit the nail right on the head. droknar's rushes wouldn't happen if there was no grind in the game, and players who only want to play pvp shouldn't be forced to grind to play "how the devs intended"
Ultimate_Gaara
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Originally Posted by Odd Sock
It takes skill to finish the game ? Wow Firestorm and Lava Font take alot of wit to pull off. You're missing the point. Getting someone to run you to Droknar's is so you can have highest level armor and good skills, then go back to do Gates of Kryta and breeze through the game with no difficulty cause you already did it once or twice. |
Well i find the game easy with out super good armor, its not that hard without getting rushed, ive already beat the game once and im doing it again with out being rushed... why would someone play $56.99 just to play the game once? but then again i cant expect everyone to make the most out of a game like i do.. it just seems rushers didnt look at the box before they bought the game so they never expected it would take time and skill.. thats always a shame
Aaaaagh
Its a service, if you want it fine. If you dont fine. Think about it like real life..there are 1000's of services I would laugh at, pay to you set up my internet connection? Are you nucking futs? But, its not like Im going to get all upset about it, alot of people pay to have their internet set up. Alot of people pay to be rushed to Droks and other places...
Fantus
I don't mind people advertising their services as long as they use the TRADE channel to do that - because that is what it's made for. Why people can't use appropriate channels for their talking is simply beyond me. I have to admit that I get angry if I see "business talking" cluttering up the local chat.
Ultimate_Gaara
Ya that would be nice, but i dont think ive ever seen them use the trade channal.. maybe some day
The Pope
If people want to get rushed to forge, have money and are willing to pay then they will get run. There is nothing sanctimonious self righteous whiners can do about it.
Zuggy
I think there is a line. Charging people for the Droknar's and Yak's Bend runs is reasonable because they are time consuming, and take skill. However, charging to go to Piken Square, Gates of Kryta or any other of these small exersions is rediculous.
Note to Self: must check if ranger can make Yak's Bend Run.
Note to Self: must check if ranger can make Yak's Bend Run.
BlaineTog
I would pay a few plat just to watch someone run from Beacon's Perch to Droknar's Forge, to tell you the truth. I mean, I've heard of it being done, but I've never been able to get past the first area.
@ wheel: I don't suppose you have any tips for players looking to get into the biz, do you?
@ wheel: I don't suppose you have any tips for players looking to get into the biz, do you?
Charcoal Ann
I have always been very charge in-game. I have talked to runners and many say that they do it for fun. why then do they need to charge? I have suggested many times that it should be done on a donation basis. Players pay what they can afford once they reach a destination. i have spent hours aiding newer players in the ascalon area and no matter how many times i say it is free many still insist on giving money for my help (not that i make a profit, one time i gave a guy 3 vials of dye and at the end he gave me 50g for the help :-). i am thinking of making a warrior monk for the purpose of leading the curséd runners who charge in to the blessed light of charity.
In conclusion: Donations not upfront price quotes are the way forward.
In conclusion: Donations not upfront price quotes are the way forward.
LathalDraugr
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I have always been very charge in-game. I have talked to runners and many say that they do it for fun. why then do they need to charge? I have suggested many times that it should be done on a donation basis. Players pay what they can afford once they reach a destination. i have spent hours aiding newer players in the ascalon area and no matter how many times i say it is free many still insist on giving money for my help (not that i make a profit, one time i gave a guy 3 vials of dye and at the end he gave me 50g for the help :-). i am thinking of making a warrior monk for the purpose of leading the curséd runners who charge in to the blessed light of charity.
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Celes Tial
I played the game the way it was meant to be played the first 2 times through.
For the third time, I paid a runner. Having maxed armor made doing the same quests / missions for the third time a little more interesting, and challenging in a different way - ever tried to do the Wilds without henchmen OR players?
For the third time, I paid a runner. Having maxed armor made doing the same quests / missions for the third time a little more interesting, and challenging in a different way - ever tried to do the Wilds without henchmen OR players?
Aniewiel
Perhaps making some sort of area for runners looking for people to 'run' should be placed in the major cities? That way, people wanting to be taken somewhere could find them there. It would be nice, too, if that area's chat was confined to that spot so that the public channel wouldn't have to be spammed. Let's face it, we're not likely to see anyone ever use the trade channel, dammit. 
Here's an imagined story that seems, on the surface, as if it should work:
Player A hires Player B for 2k.
Player A parties up and pays 1/2 the gold now, 1/2 to be paid at the end of the mission.
Players exit and begin the 'run'.
Player B ditches Player A, leaving them in a most undesireable place but still pockets 1/2 the gold, thereby turning a profit for being a jerk.
Money exchanged should have to be placed in a holding account until the stated objective is reached.
Here's an imagined story that seems, on the surface, as if it should work:
Player A hires Player B for 2k.
Player A parties up and pays 1/2 the gold now, 1/2 to be paid at the end of the mission.
Players exit and begin the 'run'.
Player B ditches Player A, leaving them in a most undesireable place but still pockets 1/2 the gold, thereby turning a profit for being a jerk.
Money exchanged should have to be placed in a holding account until the stated objective is reached.
Aniewiel
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I'm so sick of being told that anyone wanting to help others is a goody goody and that nice guys finish last and all that bullsheet. Are intelligent discussions not possible without blatant name-calling?
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I'm so sick of being told that anyone wanting to help others is a goody goody and that nice guys finish last and all that bullsheet. Are intelligent discussions not possible without blatant name-calling?
/end rant
Calrisian Nantos
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I would pay a few plat just to watch someone run from Beacon's Perch to Droknar's Forge, to tell you the truth. I mean, I've heard of it being done, but I've never been able to get past the first area.
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Whats with the sour grapes about people running people? Those who are against this sound to me like they need to mind thier own buisness and not worry about how others play thier game(especially when it's not exploiting or cheating) just leave it alone and get over it
Alderman Sweet
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Money exchanged should have to be placed in a holding account until the stated objective is reached.
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Mavrik
first run I ever went on was to Temple of Ages from the Hot Springs as I had tried countless times, was down -60something percent with only 199HP of life max left. I was pretty pissed about every time I died, it was usually to hords of enemies summoned from my previous death's corpse. Now same with Draknor... I have tried countless times to get my lv18 E/mo butt over there with out success, usually ALWAYS dying where you first see those damn worms. Countless times I have tried and every time, pretty much the same place every time till I'm so - moral its pointless to try anymore.
I got a run to the temple of ages from a really nice and really fast warrior who said "Running people to TOA, Free but donations appreciated." I gave him some gold upon arrival cause it was a nice gesture since he was so unlike everyone else "1000gold for run" and so forth.
Plenty of scammers just waiting for some poor frustrated sucker who eventually gives up and wants a run to Draknor. "1500 now, 1500 upon arrival." Personally its a trust issue if you want to get a run there. You can trust them with not ditching the group and having your money... Or simply they can trust you, that your thankful enough to have made it that you will pay them $3000 upon arrival.
For the sake of my computer's survival... I'll keep trying to find an honest runner to get me to draknor.
I got a run to the temple of ages from a really nice and really fast warrior who said "Running people to TOA, Free but donations appreciated." I gave him some gold upon arrival cause it was a nice gesture since he was so unlike everyone else "1000gold for run" and so forth.
Plenty of scammers just waiting for some poor frustrated sucker who eventually gives up and wants a run to Draknor. "1500 now, 1500 upon arrival." Personally its a trust issue if you want to get a run there. You can trust them with not ditching the group and having your money... Or simply they can trust you, that your thankful enough to have made it that you will pay them $3000 upon arrival.
For the sake of my computer's survival... I'll keep trying to find an honest runner to get me to draknor.
Charcoal Ann
i would be willing to do the Droknar run on a donation basis. all of those to whom i have spoken say that the run is fun. surely that is what the game was made for? I have been run twice to Droknars and both times the quoted price was free at the end i still paid what i could afford. i don't see why 'nice guys finish last', i have made many friends by helping others and they help me when i need it, my guild is small and crappy so i need friends, i think that a bit of charity work would do wonders for the mindset in this game.
anyway i spent HOURS helping little people for little or no gain and still i do it. its not like helping a lvl 2 through The Great Northern Wall, which takes no time at all, but helping them clear up all their quests. i have spent as much as 3 hours helping a group.
anyway i spent HOURS helping little people for little or no gain and still i do it. its not like helping a lvl 2 through The Great Northern Wall, which takes no time at all, but helping them clear up all their quests. i have spent as much as 3 hours helping a group.
Alderman Sweet
Getting to ToA with Bergin henchmen was . . . ahem . . . interesting. Basically, I made up my mind that I was going to spend a lot of time at the res shrine with -60 dp -- which I did. It was pitiful and hilarious. After a while, I was laughing and having a good time watching the rezzes and instant deaths. But then the pattern broke and I was able to kill one monster, then two, etc. We finally got away from the shrine, only to get massacred again. Long story short: we limped to the place where I could finally see the ToA entrance. I said goodbye to the henches and bolted, barely making it. Once inside ToA, I was pretty unimpressed. I thought there would be something besides the UW business -- some unique craft area or whatever. Oh well. It's on my map anyway.
[edit] -- Yes, I know UW is the point of ToA and the rewards can be sumptuous, etc. I just haven't been interested in trying it so far. I suppose I should pay my plat and have a go at it.
[edit] -- Yes, I know UW is the point of ToA and the rewards can be sumptuous, etc. I just haven't been interested in trying it so far. I suppose I should pay my plat and have a go at it.
Calrisian Nantos
In response to Charcoal Ann
Yeah I give away low req weapons at piken square that noone there would have access to unless they bought them for rediculous prices in ascalon,weapons i find from Talus chute farming runs,most near or max dmg,some people cant believe it and are so happy they try to give me everything they have,I just tell them to pay it forward to others and wish them good luck,its my way of spreading goodness through this awsome gaming community,and I hope it rubs off on the newer folks
Yeah I give away low req weapons at piken square that noone there would have access to unless they bought them for rediculous prices in ascalon,weapons i find from Talus chute farming runs,most near or max dmg,some people cant believe it and are so happy they try to give me everything they have,I just tell them to pay it forward to others and wish them good luck,its my way of spreading goodness through this awsome gaming community,and I hope it rubs off on the newer folks
Charcoal Ann
Aye the world would be much better if there were more like you in it.
Klmpee
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I have tried countless times to get my lv18 E/mo butt over there with out success, usually ALWAYS dying where you first see those damn worms. Countless times I have tried and every time, pretty much the same place every time till I'm so - moral its pointless to try anymore.
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.. couple days okay me and some freinds were waiting to go to FoW but then we lost favor.. so we all said lets try the run to draknor.. everyone dies im still alive.. i dont kno where the hell im going and i die.. group brakes up and we say "F THIS CRAP".. so to alll those who run there.. i most say.. u guys are like invincible 
LathalDraugr
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i would be willing to do the Droknar run on a donation basis. all of those to whom i have spoken say that the run is fun. surely that is what the game was made for? I have been run twice to Droknars and both times the quoted price was free at the end i still paid what i could afford. i don't see why 'nice guys finish last', i have made many friends by helping others and they help me when i need it, my guild is small and crappy so i need friends, i think that a bit of charity work would do wonders for the mindset in this game.
anyway i spent HOURS helping little people for little or no gain and still i do it. its not like helping a lvl 2 through The Great Northern Wall, which takes no time at all, but helping them clear up all their quests. i have spent as much as 3 hours helping a group. |
I'm not doubting your willingness to help other people I just think that Droknar rushing for money is here to stay. Hey maybe you're right and everyone will do it for free but I seriously doubt that free Droknars rushing will ever be anything other than an exception.
I personally have ran whole groups for free but I wouldn't spend all day doing that because while it's a challenge and exhilarating to make it, it simply isn't worth doing that often for free.
Serafita Kayin
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Yeah I give away low req weapons at piken square that noone there would have access to unless they bought them for rediculous prices in ascalon,weapons i find from Talus chute farming runs,most near or max dmg,some people cant believe it and are so happy they try to give me everything they have,I just tell them to pay it forward to others and wish them good luck,its my way of spreading goodness through this awsome gaming community,and I hope it rubs off on the newer folks |
Charcoal Ann
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Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to discourage you and if there's any help or advice I can give if you're making your runner I'll be happy to help. But the fact is, a droknars run takes 20 minutes at least even if you're moving very fast and usually by the time you put a group together, answered their questions etc we're talking at least half an hour. So at half an hour per run, how many free or donation runs would you be doing per day on average? Cause my guess is not a lot. Even if you set aside 4 hours per day that's still only 8 runs at a max of 5 people per run thats only 40 people per day. And that's assuming you have enough to pay for the start up armour, runes and equipment and are capable of doing the runs in 20-25mins
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Good point........maybe i'll recrute like-minded individuals into my guild.
Still i don't see much problem with my donation idea (but then I wouldn't) less lucrative yes but much better Karma.
Calrisian Nantos
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I do the same, about time for Santa Kayin to make a reappearance...
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Odd Sock
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Well my group for the last mission had no ele, and i had a smart group so we had mean strats, but nice try anyways
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Well i find the game easy with out super good armor
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its not that hard without getting rushed, ive already beat the game once and im doing it again with out being rushed...
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why would someone play $56.99 just to play the game once? but then again i cant expect everyone to make the most out of a game like i do..
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they never expected it would take time and skill.. thats always a shame
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Originally Posted by Fantus
I don't mind people advertising their services as long as they use the TRADE channel to do that - because that is what it's made for. Why people can't use appropriate channels for their talking is simply beyond me. I have to admit that I get angry if I see "business talking" cluttering up the local chat.
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Originally Posted by Aniewiel
Perhaps making some sort of area for runners looking for people to 'run' should be placed in the major cities? That way, people wanting to be taken somewhere could find them there. It would be nice, too, if that area's chat was confined to that spot so that the public channel wouldn't have to be spammed.
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/small rant
I'm so sick of being told that anyone wanting to help others is a goody goody and that nice guys finish last and all that bullsheet. Are intelligent discussions not possible without blatant name-calling? /end rant |
By the way, adding words like bullsheet to your posts to avoid filters isn't exactly the best way to pretend you want an intelligent conversation.