Anyone see the masses of Mo/W's sitting around in Elona Reach?
Think this is a coincidence? Heck no, just look at their pathing, its all too similar to be real people farming.
Obviously, someone has made a working bot to farm Elona, and its being exploited to the max...
I'm just trying to increase awareness, and maybe then ANet will finally do something about it.
Elona... Beyond Ridiculous
KaelMageslayer
Zaxan Razor
Indeed. Search first tho.
Isileth
Yeah ive posted this as well but got shot down by someone claiming they where just people farming. But if you look at them they follow the same path as each other and dont take a straight line to the merchant, instead they wander over to the cliff then to the hill then go to the merchant. You cant not notice the fact they are there and i wonder why they are still allowed to continue.
led-zep
when i saw them there were about 30 mo/w in one spot and the majority of them were from the love guild, definately bots
Yuo Can Do It!
Yeah I saw them while I tried to get a group up for the mission. Massive amounts of people doing the same exact thing? As far as I know, there are no farming LAN parties.
Diablo???
Too bad I didn't take a screenie of it, but I was in district 2, and for two minutes I was the only non-monk character in that entire district. It's funny cuz theres a couple of monks spamming "LFG Mission"...
Dr Ripley
There's some real people farming there (myself included), but only about 1%. The rest are definitely bots. My record is 34 monks at one time that I've seen standing right on top of each other next to the merchant. They don't group around the merchant, they all follow the same path and then stand exactly on top of one another to sell. I didn't notice the guild tag, but that's not the first time I've heard about the infamous [love] group and their activities...
Haggard
I forsee that tag in the above post getting removed, but I think we should have some kind of thread into who exactly 'that guild' are, what they want, and why.
Dzan
What is being farmed there? Minos?
Diablo???
those poor minos, and their horns... savage poachers they are.
eternal pho
this is like the 10th thread iv seen about this lol, but bots don't affect ur drop rate or you what so ever, so dont wrry
Melissa Is HOT
They farm the actual Elona's mission for minotaurs? oh... i thought they farmed the sand dragons outside... bleh lol id rather just 2 man farm UW. hmm mino horn or ecto... tough choice!
Numa Pompilius
Yeah, but minotaurs are easily bottable. You don't need to react to darknesses popping up and ruining the mood, just enchant up, run to the center of the first area, then cycle Bonettis/Cyclone or Shield of Judgement for X seconds, pick up the loot, and map back.
The only thing which requires more than the simplest ghostmouse macro is picking up the loot and salvaging/selling it.
UW is potentially more profitable, but to be consistent you'd need a human playing. Elona can be farmed 24/7 with just a few minutes of human intervention per hour.
I think this will be pretty short-lived, though. I've already seen areas of Factions which'd be as easily bottable and much more profitable, so I expect the farming army will soon largely migrate to Cantha.
The only thing which requires more than the simplest ghostmouse macro is picking up the loot and salvaging/selling it.
UW is potentially more profitable, but to be consistent you'd need a human playing. Elona can be farmed 24/7 with just a few minutes of human intervention per hour.
I think this will be pretty short-lived, though. I've already seen areas of Factions which'd be as easily bottable and much more profitable, so I expect the farming army will soon largely migrate to Cantha.
Vargs
Yeah, this is a bit ridiculous. It's so obvious, why can't ANet do something?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v122/Valjiin/bots.jpg
^-Your average day in Elona (and that's just district 3!)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v122/Valjiin/bots.jpg
^-Your average day in Elona (and that's just district 3!)
Diablo???
^ I had a screenie in internation District once, it was a clear Vertical column of Mo/W20. lol
Prince Aoki
LOL I laughed my ass off when i saw this!!
Vargs
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LOL I laughed my ass off when i saw this!!
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Gizmo Loco
There are many people who farm there. I do it with my Ele and my Warrior, in fact. Its the simplicity of the spot, fast runs, easy to make decent amounts. Not the most profitable, but easiest. Thats why the bots have parked there. It seems theres more there than in Droknars - ever been to Droks ID1?
D.E.V.i.A.N.C.E
and yet Mo/W has to be thee slowest mino farming build...
I guess I can go back to my trolls in peace?
I guess I can go back to my trolls in peace?
Vel Satis
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Originally Posted by eternal pho
this is like the 10th thread iv seen about this lol, but bots don't affect ur drop rate or you what so ever, so dont wrry
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I don't know if thats definitely true though.
Manic Smile
wow...that's kinda obvious
Ashleigh McMahon
Does Anet know about this? Maybe someone should email support about it...I mean, seriously. Theres over 20... and imagine how many they are actually doing the mission. This is seriously screwing up GW. I'll just be happy when I see the "Bot User's Banned" announcement.
Anyone have any info from support about this? Or has someone already mailed them?
Thanks
Ashleigh
Anyone have any info from support about this? Or has someone already mailed them?
Thanks
Ashleigh
Exoudeous
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Originally Posted by Vel Satis
I remember reading that the drop rate in instances is partially dependent on the number of people in that same instance at the same time as you across the whole server. If this is right it is quite plausible that they are affecting the drop rate for everyone else.
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If what you said was in any way true that would mean it would be impossible to get a gold drop ever
KaelMageslayer
if anyone tells me how/where to contact anet about this, ill do it
Miraculix B.
there has already been a thread about this issue.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3016508
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3016508
Stabber
Just add a couple of scarabs to Elona Reach.
Omnidragon42
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Just add a couple of scarabs to Elona Reach.
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Wow, when I see those screenshots. I never realised Elona had become such a hot spot. I've pretty much stopped farming monsters, farming people is such faster money
Note: to everyone who says these are bots, they're most likely chinese sweatshop workers. I've chatted with them a few times, once got free powerlevelling out of droks with one who spoke a little english
Don Zardeone
Do they bother anyone?
I'd rather have ANet focusing on leavers, scammers and auction houses instead.
I'd rather have ANet focusing on leavers, scammers and auction houses instead.
Ashleigh McMahon
Yes. They do.
They get advantages over other players- people care about that.
They are also using illegal programs to bend there way around the game mechanics.
There also increasing the ammount of rares around- so that people will be able to get there hands of really good rares, for a really low price- making items not so "rare" anymore.
Ashleigh
They get advantages over other players- people care about that.
They are also using illegal programs to bend there way around the game mechanics.
There also increasing the ammount of rares around- so that people will be able to get there hands of really good rares, for a really low price- making items not so "rare" anymore.
Ashleigh
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Originally Posted by Don Zardeone
Do they bother anyone?
I'd rather have ANet focusing on leavers, scammers and auction houses instead. |
The Real Roy Keane
Just ignore them..
Ashleigh McMahon
How can you ignore the fact that people, right infront of you, are abusing the game YOU(or somebody) payed for. THEY ARE getting an advantage over you, by cheating. Theres also the annoying fact they all fill up district space... spacing out the actual legitiment players, so it's harder to get a good group together, because there seems to always be bots there.
I don't mean to be nasty or anything, but it's just my opinion. Others may not care about them, but others may do. I'm just arguing my point.
Thanks
Ashleigh
I don't mean to be nasty or anything, but it's just my opinion. Others may not care about them, but others may do. I'm just arguing my point.
Thanks
Ashleigh
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Originally Posted by The Real Roy Keane
Just ignore them..
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Crimson Ashwood
Why would you ignore them? Farmers are the ones that make the economy so damn messy with constant balancing. How hard would it be to have a GM sitting in that town shutting down accounts. They'll buy another one too, if they want to keep making money off in-game gold.
lg5000
The only thing is, trying to find a monk at Elona, which was hard to start with, is now frustrating because you can see the monks, but they don't want to do the mission.
btw, I farm elona faster than they do if and when I need to get some money. (I have a mesmer, her wardrobe is expensive).
Oh, and was there ever a time when golds that dropped there were perfect?
btw, I farm elona faster than they do if and when I need to get some money. (I have a mesmer, her wardrobe is expensive).
Oh, and was there ever a time when golds that dropped there were perfect?
Andy_M
I fail to see how they are getting an advantage over me at all. Let them farm, I am not going to let it bother me. If I want stuff I'll get it myself, and I certainly won't waste my time getting it at Elona....
The economy has been bollocks ever since it's release - so what's new ? If you are going to blame anyone blame Anet for not putting a proper trading system in in the first place. A system where you can set your own prices rather than some mythical algorithm would have been much more sensible.
The economy has been bollocks ever since it's release - so what's new ? If you are going to blame anyone blame Anet for not putting a proper trading system in in the first place. A system where you can set your own prices rather than some mythical algorithm would have been much more sensible.
Numa Pompilius
The thing is, there's actually legitimate Mo/W's in the world too. Some of them may even be at Elona Reach.
It is somewhere between very hard and impossible to accurately tell a script-using player (ie a sweatshop botter monitoring 5-15 computers playing in parallel) from a legit player who just happen to like to farm a lot.
That's why you don't have GM's at Elona Reach shutting down accounts left and right.
What I expect ANet is doing, is use statistical tools to monitor players, and flag accounts which fulfill certain criteria (such as that it's running 24/7). A human GM will then take a look at the account and try to figure out if it's run by botters.
Of course, the bot-script programmers will try to avoid triggering the statistical tools, by adding randomness in the movement, random chatter, and downtime, to their accounts.
WRT Elona Reach it seems all the botters run the same very primitive script (watch how they all pile up in one place!), so it should be easier to spot than the more advanced scripts earlier used at Augury Rock.
As for why botting and gold-selling is bad for the game, it's because it fuels mudflation (continuously dropping value of gold and items, which separates it from inflation, which is dropping value of just gold). ANet has been quite good about coming up with gold sinks to avoid inflation, but has done sweet nothing about the depreciation of items.
It is somewhere between very hard and impossible to accurately tell a script-using player (ie a sweatshop botter monitoring 5-15 computers playing in parallel) from a legit player who just happen to like to farm a lot.
That's why you don't have GM's at Elona Reach shutting down accounts left and right.
What I expect ANet is doing, is use statistical tools to monitor players, and flag accounts which fulfill certain criteria (such as that it's running 24/7). A human GM will then take a look at the account and try to figure out if it's run by botters.
Of course, the bot-script programmers will try to avoid triggering the statistical tools, by adding randomness in the movement, random chatter, and downtime, to their accounts.
WRT Elona Reach it seems all the botters run the same very primitive script (watch how they all pile up in one place!), so it should be easier to spot than the more advanced scripts earlier used at Augury Rock.
As for why botting and gold-selling is bad for the game, it's because it fuels mudflation (continuously dropping value of gold and items, which separates it from inflation, which is dropping value of just gold). ANet has been quite good about coming up with gold sinks to avoid inflation, but has done sweet nothing about the depreciation of items.
Ashleigh McMahon
Heres what I think they should do: Try talk to each of the individuals... if they don't reply after a few minuites( of actually being active:eg moving)... just issue them a ban.
Ashleigh.
Ashleigh.
vferry
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Originally Posted by Omnidragon42
Scarabs are the solution to all our problems!
Wow, when I see those screenshots. I never realised Elona had become such a hot spot. I've pretty much stopped farming monsters, farming people is such faster money Note: to everyone who says these are bots, they're most likely chinese sweatshop workers. I've chatted with them a few times, once got free powerlevelling out of droks with one who spoke a little english |
Both now and previously in droknar's forge they are 100% bots. Accounts are being stolen with the use of so called cheats/exploit programs.
Any other technical person that had a look at them will tell you they are bots. Bots meaning program's to repeat keystrokes and/or mouse movement/clicks. For these spots there is no skill required, and thus no persons.
Because there is no online fee (no risk), and there aren't thousends of moderators being present checking activity, again unlike other online games, there is absolutely no need for real people to do the work.
That people will find a 55-monk in an international district and go on a stroll with them isn't strange, 55-monks come in all nationality's.
Numa Pompilius
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Originally Posted by Ashleigh McMahon
Heres what I think they should do: Try talk to each of the individuals... if they don't reply after a few minuites( of actually being active:eg moving)... just issue them a ban.
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Evilsod
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Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius
It is somewhere between very hard and impossible to accurately tell a script-using player (ie a sweatshop botter monitoring 5-15 computers playing in parallel) from a legit player who just happen to like to farm a lot.
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As far as i can see, if your account gets stolen because you downloaded a Third Party Program, you have no-one to blame but yourself.
rhuber
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Originally Posted by Dr Ripley
that's not the first time I've heard about the infamous [love] group and their activities...
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