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Fossa

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11 May 2006 at 20:41 - 241

Quote:

Originally Posted by UndeadRoadkill

Notice that Gaile and Alex have taken the time to drop in several comments in recent threads, but they won't say a word on this subject.

From Gaile's chat: "I think you'd be surprised at the percentage of those who can reach the elite missions"

Please, tell us Gaile, how many percent of the Faction players has had access so far?

MelechRic

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

RA

[ODIN]

N/Mo

11 May 2006 at 20:51 - 242

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fossa

From Gaile's chat: "I think you'd be surprised at the percentage of those who can reach the elite missions"

Please, tell us Gaile, how many percent of the Faction players has had access so far?

Well if it's big then I guess I'm a loser since I haven't been. Hmm... maybe I don't want Gaile to answer that question.

felinette

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

Girl Power [GP]

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11 May 2006 at 20:55 - 243

Quote:

Originally Posted by UndeadRoadkill

Really, I feel like access to elite missions is not a reward for... doing "well"... rather, I feel like denial of access is a punishment for not enjoying things in the game that the devs feel that we should enjoy. Like they want to force us to "want" to be in a huge guild and alliance with a bunch of strangers.

That's the spin I get from it, too. No matter how great the "reward", though, they'll never get me to farm. Hell, I have a few hours on a weekday to play games and there are other games out there. After I get home from work, that last thing I want is another grind.

Stabber

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11 May 2006 at 21:06 - 244

Quote:

Originally Posted by UndeadRoadkill

Notice that Gaile and Alex have taken the time to drop in several comments in recent threads, but they won't say a word on this subject.

They are probably subject to a gag order. Also they are the wrong people to ask for explanations as they are the PR filter. I doubt they are empowered to provide any worthwhile answers.

This issue needs to be heard and addressed by a game designer. Who will be the first gaming media company with some clout to ask this at an interview with Jeff Strain or someone equally high up? Come on, GameSpot, GameSpy, Kotaku, etc., wow us with an interview worth reading.

UndeadRoadkill

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Join Date: Feb 2006

11 May 2006 at 21:12 - 245

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stabber

They are probably subject to a gag order. Also they are the wrong people to ask for explanations as they are the PR filter. I doubt they are empowered to provide any worthwhile answers.

This issue needs to be heard and addressed by a game designer. Who will be the first gaming media company with some clout to ask this at an interview with Jeff Strain or someone equally high up? Come on, GameSpot, GameSpy, Kotaku, etc., wow us with an interview worth reading.

Yeah, I know, but I just wish that whoever makes the PR decisions would at least acknowledge our arguments. And I don't mean the way Gaile did the other day, where she displayed such a lack of understanding. A "we hear you, we're not changing it," is the least they could do, considering this is a very big issue that a great many people feel strongly about.

makosi

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

"Pre-nerf" is incorrect. It's pre-buff.

Requirement Begins With R [notQ]

Me/

11 May 2006 at 21:37 - 246

I have no guild, never mind an alliance. Can someone post screenies of these elite missions because thats as close as i'll get.

Zehnchu

Popcorn Fetish

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Mo/Me

11 May 2006 at 22:26 - 247

Large alliance’s holding and controlling towns was a major concern way before Factions was released. And it is far worse then what was feared. I really don’t see how the numbers of people who have access to these “elite mission” are greater then the people, who don’t nor will never get to play these areas.

Imho alliances have their rewards their guild name on town, discounts at the merchant, but giving them exclusive access to the toughest challenging missions in the game, rewarding faction farming is a complete joke. And it makes the favor system of FoW/UW look like a dream come true.

I still think elite missions should be accessible to everyone in the controlling Faction. And if they want to reward faction farming then they can offer those who control the towns free access to elite missions and everyone else pays a fee the same as Fow/UW. Sorry I don’t like the idea of gold going to the controlling alliances to further befit from farming. Or they could have put two town in the middle to make the two sides fight for control of the line to gain access to elite missions for the winning Faction side (Luxon or Kurzicks) anything would have been better then this favor system they have now.

sgtclarity

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11 May 2006 at 22:27 - 248

Just pretend like they don't exist.
In my case, i've seen occasional people taking people for money, like 500 gold.
It sounds fair to me.

Rogmar

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

W/

11 May 2006 at 22:39 - 249

Quote:

Originally Posted by sgtclarity

Just pretend like they don't exist.

Exactly...would you complain if the town controlling system wasn't implemented at all? Most likely no. So why do you complain now? It's basically like the top guilds "farming" the HoH chest.

Zehnchu

Popcorn Fetish

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Mo/Me

11 May 2006 at 22:44 - 250

Quote:

Originally Posted by sgtclarity

Just pretend like they don't exist.
In my case, i've seen occasional people taking people for money, like 500 gold.
It sounds fair to me.

Vague?

Stabber

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11 May 2006 at 22:50 - 251

Quote:

Originally Posted by sgtclarity

Just pretend like they don't exist.

Thanks for that helpful suggestion. Maybe I should also pretend that Factions isn't half the size of Prophecies. And that Alliance Battles are fun. And that GvG and PvP in general are not dying the death of a thousand apathies.

On second thought, let me not pretend my way into cloud cuckoo land. This is Guild Wars, not Barney and Friends. Let's not play pretend.

Teklord

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Lloyd.ab.ca

Lords of All

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11 May 2006 at 22:52 - 252

I have to admit, I love it when people give the ever un-intelligent "Just ignore it and it'll go away" answer. Cracks me up every time.

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot are they thinking when they post that?
No one needs to answer this question.

I'm also noticing the person agreeing is a member of Farmers R' Us. Could go further to comment on profession choice, but I think I've made my point.

allience

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

Mo/Me

11 May 2006 at 23:09 - 253

i'm very annoyed about the elite missions access. i've already beaten the game with a RT, now doing it with my necro. i've never even SEEN what these mission are and were they are located. i though that it's just because i didn't know were it was located. but learning about this restricted access crap makes me really mad!

sad part is that i'm a capable player, with a good guild and we win halls almost daily. yet we never got into that pve area and i've never even seen these town owners. i find it's very unfair for ppl to be locked out on an entire area. i payd 50$ for this game and i feel cheated out.

these elite missions are probably the only areas were players would actually enjoy a good pve match besides fow/uw. for us pvp players, used to much more difficult game play, the regular missions are boring. it's not right to restrict those areas. it should be just like fow/uw, were every1 that payed a small free can gain access. for god sakes, it's a game and we, as customers, should be able to go werever the hell we please!!!

=HT=Ingram

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11 May 2006 at 23:16 - 254

In all honesty the Challenge missions and the elite missions are very similar in objectives and style. Howerver... The Elite missions tend to have somewhat better drops, BECAUSE so few are able to farm it to death... But alas. Eventually I'm sure Anet will provide a way for more to go there... May be soe time however. Think of Sorrows Furnece timeframe... Just cut it down from 12 month scale to 6 month scale. so using that logic in 4 months time, we may see something along that line.

master chief matt

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11 May 2006 at 23:18 - 255

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rogmar

Exactly...would you complain if the town controlling system wasn't implemented at all? Most likely no. So why do you complain now? It's basically like the top guilds "farming" the HoH chest.

again, only people from teh black blades are the ones telling us to shut up. and anyone can farm an hoh chest, there are no fame reqs for forming a group to get into hoh.

GloryFox

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Join Date: Jan 2006

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12 May 2006 at 04:03 - 256

Quote:

again, only people from teh black blades are the ones telling us to shut up. and anyone can farm an hoh chest, there are no fame reqs for forming a group to get into hoh.

Great point

I have a friend who has no rank and he and a few others held HoH for one match. Not bad for not having a Bambi. He lost to a European team and said it was a close match. The nice thing with favor is that it allows 1/4th of the game base to actually get into UW and FOW ELITE PvE missions. Unlike this silly Faction system that only allows .001% of the game base to fully enjoy the PvE area of the game.

Lucifer PVP

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12 May 2006 at 04:56 - 257

3,000,000 faction is crap
Lets just say most alliances have 300 members total .. now each member donates 10k faction at the same time. 300 * 10,000 = 3,000,000. So in one day you spike your faction to 3,000,000. The deg is 300,000, correct me if i am wrong. So you need 30 people donating 10k or 60 people donating 5k per a day to maintain the 3 million. So if all members just wait to spike their faction there is a good reason to believe an alliance could hold the main city. The problem with the elite missions isn't the 3-4million faction an alliance has to have, it is the other 200 members of the alliance not helping, causing the other members to suffer. Some of the people complaining just want things handed to them and some are working hard to take over the main areas. Now that we have an update that reports the amount of faction a guild donates to the alliance, a guild now can know when it is time to move to another alliance or create there own. Now to open the elite mission for the skilled players maybe they should allow for the current challenge record holders to have access to the areas. Doing this would not allow for alliances to farm the challenge areas. (Beat the all time record by one gives you 8k faction and 2k gold. ) I got 90k faction in about an hour and a half.

Main point is dump the non productive guilds, you may have to merge with larger ones and spike your faction. 3-4 million faction is quite easy to get if everyone works together and dumps in the faction at the same time. That isn't grinding. if your alliance isn't able to produce that much faction and you have a decent size alliance base (300 Total) then there is a lack of good leadership or there are leeches in your guild/alliances.. Yes i do realize that grinding in the end will win but atm any alliance can come out of no where and take the main city.

Am i wrong about the sizes of alliances?

=HT=Ingram

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12 May 2006 at 06:46 - 258

We already saw the capital change hands at least 4 times since launch. and that's with constant farming for the upkeep... So I feel eventually some more will get in. May take some time, but it will happen. they just can't maintain the faction farming on that level forever and enjoy what they are doing...

Fossa

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Join Date: Dec 2005

12 May 2006 at 07:28 - 259

Quote:

Originally Posted by GloryFox

The nice thing with favor is that it allows 1/4th of the game base to actually get into UW and FOW ELITE PvE missions. Unlike this silly Faction system that only allows .001% of the game base to fully enjoy the PvE area of the game.

Favor is a very bad system too. Imagine you were on an Asian server right now or on an European server last summer. UW/FoW access 2-3 hours a week? I'd be furious.

generik

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

12 May 2006 at 07:47 - 260

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fossa

From Gaile's chat: "I think you'd be surprised at the percentage of those who can reach the elite missions"

Please, tell us Gaile, how many percent of the Faction players has had access so far?

15%?

If it is truly that many.. then quite frankly I am impressed.

Fossa

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2005

12 May 2006 at 08:30 - 261

Quote:

Originally Posted by generik

15%?

If it is truly that many.. then quite frankly I am impressed.

I would be impressed at that number too. It depends on how many copies they sold but I'd guess less than 1%.

bele

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2005

12 May 2006 at 08:55 - 262

/rant
I'd guess far less than 1% .

Unless you count all the ppl that is going to pay insane amounts of gold to the holding alliance to get in.

I assume that owning loads of gold makes you l33t (Gaile) enough too

The ultimate money sink (to the DEVS) . Gain faction giving gold to Luxon/Kurzik. What do you think ?

/rant

samifly

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Join Date: Dec 2005

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Mo/Me

12 May 2006 at 10:24 - 263

Quote:

Originally Posted by =HT=Ingram

In all honesty the Challenge missions and the elite missions are very similar in objectives and style.

Ugg was afraid of that... The PvE in Factions is more like an arcade/action game than an RPG. Which is nice, but not what I bought Guild Wars for. Like the so-called "bonuses" in the missions.

samifly

Wilds Pathfinder

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Mo/Me

12 May 2006 at 10:30 - 264

Quote:

Originally Posted by =HT=Ingram

We already saw the capital change hands at least 4 times since launch. and that's with constant farming for the upkeep... So I feel eventually some more will get in. May take some time, but it will happen. they just can't maintain the faction farming on that level forever and enjoy what they are doing...

So far, if you look, its just the same guilds playing musical chairs with the towns.

Wildi

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

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12 May 2006 at 11:02 - 265

crap. anet can change this so if you have killed Shiro Tagatchi and spend xxxx of your factions points you will be able to do an elite mission or something like that ?

master chief matt

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2006

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12 May 2006 at 14:03 - 266

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fossa

Favor is a very bad system too. Imagine you were on an Asian server right now or on an European server last summer. UW/FoW access 2-3 hours a week? I'd be furious.

the thing about that is, when americans are all asleep the europeans are able to take favor. if any european wants favor they just need to get a good group together and work out the elite map. anyone can enter hoh, there are no restrictions. i am in favor of the favor system, if people want to farm uw/fow then they need to prove that they are worthy of it by completing a rediculously hard, but possible to anyone, elite map. 99% of all players will never be able to prove themselves unless they grind 5 million faction. again, we paid 50$ for GuildWars, not GuildGrinding or FactionWars.

Giuseppe_Antone

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12 May 2006 at 14:20 - 267

I think that they should let all people in the elite missions, or pay 1k kurzick/luxon faction to get in would be reasonable.

Quozz

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

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12 May 2006 at 16:00 - 268

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phrozenflame

About time ppl UP their skills and play the game.

1. As for the argument, the lame one the casual players use, you see you cant finish the Elite mission in the 'oh i got less amount of time'.

2. Casual players simply dont have enough experience and skills to play the mission anyway so please stop moaning.

The current system is fine, it gives excellent rewards for those who deserve it and allowing every tom dick and harry into the game is going to ruin the drops for those who have spent more time and effort and skills in the game.

Cheers for Anet for providing a system that generates the ZEAL in you to stop being a n00b and play the game the way its meant to be played...like the elites.

The Elite system should be accessable to only highest skilled players, in every sense, Huge Alliances mean excellend coordination and control over hundreds of members to get you the elite town.

This isnt meant for casual players, dont ruin the fun for others just becuase you want it. Cry Babies ftl.

ANET should keep the current System...You hear that Gaile?

TY

Actually I like it when people like this who support the current elite system post because it actually helps those of us against the elite mission access.

Anet, read Phrozen's post very carefully. Is this really the type of player your trying to gear your game toward? Gaile, is that really the "elite" you have made reference to in your chat logs? Those posting in favor of the way elite missions are accessed provide the best argument as to why its broken.

Please Anet, bring Factions back toward a gaming community where everyone gets along and can have fun. And ditch this poor game mechanic which is producing the ugliness that is so apparent in the above quote.

Mimi Miyagi

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

Port Orchard, WA

The Second Foundation: [TSF]

12 May 2006 at 16:19 - 269

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quozz

Actually I like it when people like this who support the current elite system post because it actually helps those of us against the elite mission access.

Anet, read Phrozen's post very carefully. Is this really the type of player your trying to gear your game toward? Gaile, is that really the "elite" you have made reference to in your chat logs? Those posting in favor of the way elite missions are accessed provide the best argument as to why its broken.

Please Anet, bring Factions back toward a gaming community where everyone gets along and can have fun. And ditch this poor game mechanic which is producing the ugliness that is so apparent in the above quote.

Pot/Kettle/Black, IMO.

BIGbadBull

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Apr 2005

12 May 2006 at 20:23 - 270

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zuggy

Until then, enjoy the challenge missions. According to the manual they are lesser versions of the elite missions which might just be up the ally of most people that want to PUG elite missions.

those missions are a joke.
They should just open it up for all.

If random groups can't survive bad for them, let them waist their time.
RPG does not equal PvP. And they just forgot about PvE.
For me, factions is only good for having 2 more slots, I'm back to prophecies.

master chief matt

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13 May 2006 at 02:59 - 271

Quote:

Originally Posted by BIGbadBull

those missions are a joke.
They should just open it up for all.

If random groups can't survive bad for them, let them waist their time.
RPG does not equal PvP. And they just forgot about PvE.
For me, factions is only good for having 2 more slots, I'm back to prophecies.

i like that you are on our side, but i dont agree that it should be open to anyone at any time, there really should be some tough req to get through it, that way those that earn the right to fight in them are the truly elite, not just noob pugs

seyda_neen

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2006

13 May 2006 at 03:54 - 272

I've just read this thread and I really agree with most of you that the accessibility of the Elite missions is a bad mechanism. Personally I've been to this Elite mission on the Kurzick side, and please do not come here and tell me this is a place only for the elite players. Yes it is hard and there are lot of foes to kill, but I can't see why regular players shouldn't be able to reach far or even beat the mission. I regard myself as a regular player and NOT an elite and did quite well in the mission. The sad thing which I've noticed is that the owning alliance is charging people 25k to get a "ride" in to the elite mission outpost. I was lucky to be dragged into this outpost for free, and once you are in there you can't be kicked out, unless you zone to other places/towns on the map. Because I need to craft an armor for my char, I had to leave the town, now I can't enter it again.

However, knowing this is a bad system and Anet is doing nothing to adjust the system to favor the majority of the players, I've begun forming an alliance with two humble and ambitious goals in mind: 1; achieve to hold/own the town, and 2; Give all (if possible) players access to this elite mission.

It is ambitious but the true fun both in game and also in real life is to have fun for yourself but as well as to share the fun to other people.

My ingame nick is st nerevar, if you feel we share common goals please contact me so we one day might achieve something good for the game community.

LoKi Foxfire

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13 May 2006 at 05:39 - 273

Gaile said the Elite missions are for the elite. I guess you guys have to keep trying until you are. :<

=HT=Ingram

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13 May 2006 at 06:32 - 274

well... common foxfire. you know as well as I its not the entire truth... The ones in control ATM, just happen to have the best group of Faction farming players in the game ATM. Its not nessesarilly that they are better then others in the game, just they have more farming time in... Which is fine as far as I'm concerned. but don't try to push off that they DESERVE the ability they currently have because they are the best in the game. We all know who the best is, and Hint hint, it has NOTHING to do with farming of any kind. And They got $100,000 and a gold cape trim from ArenaNet to prove it...

Swinging Fists

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

W/Mo

13 May 2006 at 08:20 - 275

Anyone who has a problem with the Luxon elite mission not being available to all:

/praise The Crusaders

Check the thread: Elite mission available to all ?

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3032505

I suggest we ban together and make this happen. There seems to be no other way to wrestle control away and get access to this mission that we all so badly want access to.

LIBERATE THE DEEP !!!!

Tseng Shinra

Ascalonian Squire

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13 May 2006 at 08:34 - 276

I agree, Once The Crusaders Alliance owns Cavalon, the elite mission will be open to all free of charge. We can take it and hold it with your help.

Tseng Shinra
-Officer in the Crusaders

lg5000

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Australia

13 May 2006 at 08:36 - 277

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quozz

Actually I like it when people like this who support the current elite system post because it actually helps those of us against the elite mission access.

Anet, read Phrozen's post very carefully. Is this really the type of player your trying to gear your game toward? Gaile, is that really the "elite" you have made reference to in your chat logs? Those posting in favor of the way elite missions are accessed provide the best argument as to why its broken.

Please Anet, bring Factions back toward a gaming community where everyone gets along and can have fun. And ditch this poor game mechanic which is producing the ugliness that is so apparent in the above quote.

Hmm... he mentiones that no casual player can finish the elite mission.

The majority here is over 20 and would be 'casual' players due to not living at home and having a job, possibly a wife, and friends to socialise with as well as playing gw. Say that the 'not-so-casual' player is 14 (just for arguments sake) and has the time, especially in the holidays to play endlessly, is that person really more skilled than one of us older people with a life and a better overview of how to play?

The best groups I have been in consist of adults who don't have a superiority complex and understand the meaning of 'team'. What he's suggesting is that team work has little to do with finishing the elite missions, but dedicated farming does. (as you need farmed faction/rather large alliance to hold the cities and I really don't see farming as skillful).

That said, I'm a long way to finishing the game, and at this point, have no interest in getting near the elite missions. When the time comes, I hope the hype has passed and the casual player can have their fun and I can find a team that knows what team play is.

samifly

Wilds Pathfinder

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Mo/Me

13 May 2006 at 09:54 - 278

Teamwork + Camaraderie > "l33t skillz"

Every. Time.

StrongBow

Academy Page

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W/E

13 May 2006 at 12:59 - 279

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swinging Fists

Anyone who has a problem with the Luxon elite mission not being available to all:

/praise The Crusaders

Check the thread: Elite mission available to all ?

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3032505

I suggest we ban together and make this happen. There seems to be no other way to wrestle control away and get access to this mission that we all so badly want access to.

LIBERATE THE DEEP !!!!

While i admire and ecourage your action again i think that your actions is straying the problem from the actuall "illness"

P.S Sorry to Double post!

mikkel

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2005

13 May 2006 at 15:00 - 280

I bought this game because the entire premise of it according to ANet is that playing once a week wouldn't put you at a disadvantage compared to people who play 20 hours a day.

Way to RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO that up.

Not only are they breaking from the premise they sold the game on by limiting the most interesting content to a tiny fraction of the total population, but they're still keeping in all the negative aspects such as collectors killing the weapons trade. Great job, ANet. Give your target audience the worst of both worlds, and feed them a bunch of lies.