It's not a bloody golem (Appearence discussion) - Guild Wars Guru archive powered by Guild Wars Legacy

xenoranger

Wilds Pathfinder

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08 May 2006 at 13:53 - 1

Quote:

Golem (go-lem)
In Jewish folklore, an artificially created human supernaturally endowed with life.

Source: Dictionary.com

Little disappointed with ANet upon seeing their Animate Flesh Golem. After questing in Perdition Rock, I noticed that those golems were tall and statuesque. They actually had a human shape to them. These flesh golems look like monsterous creatures.

If you haven't been to perdition rock, here's a flesh golem:

If you haven't seen the new animate, here's a pic of that:

They're two completely different species of creatures. It's kinda sad too, because I would've liked to be able to control the original ones.

Just, animates in general are disappointing. There are 3 different summons that use the Horror model, 1 fiend, and 1 golem. But the Golem doesn't look like a golem, so why not call it animate behemeth or something that implies a larger creature, but not to be confused with the Flesh Golems (Perdition Rock) or other creatures.

N E Rate,
that's my complaint. Anyone else see my point about the naming?

fiery

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maryland

InYurFace Gaming [IYF]

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08 May 2006 at 14:01 - 2

Fleshy bear.

Lonesamurai

Furnace Stoker

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08 May 2006 at 14:17 - 3

Its actually a slight change to the Minotaur model and new skin... I was dissapoited by it aswell tho, but Vampiric horrors rule!!

rollntider

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anarchy

Me/Rt

08 May 2006 at 14:21 - 4

got nothing better to complain about? I see nothing wrong with the golem.
I do wish the bone minion/horror and vampiric horrors all had different looks so you can tell them appart. But the golem looks cool. I love it.

xenoranger

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2005

08 May 2006 at 14:29 - 5

It's not the model I'm complaining about (as it does look cool), but it's the context of calling it a flesh golem when it looks nothing like a golem.

Golems are always humanoid in form. That looks nothing like a human.

Flesh bear sounds good.. or since it's a minotaur skin, call it Animate Minotaur Horror.

Although, it being a reskinned minotaur would explain why he moves so slow.

Sir_BlackJack

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2006

Mo/R

08 May 2006 at 14:35 - 6

It ... looks.. like.. a rhino.

rancidgoat

Frost Gate Guardian

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N/Me

08 May 2006 at 14:36 - 7

i see your point about the name , i was expecting the great big one too. but i capped it last night and i think it is awsome, he pwns at lvl26 and his degen is slow as hell. lol..take it to Tyria and go into a lower lvl area and join a group and annimate it, it scares the crap outta people. lol

Lasher Dragon

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Alphahive

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08 May 2006 at 14:39 - 8

It has 2 arms, 2 legs, a torso and a head. That's humanoid.

Griff Mon

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Damage Radius

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08 May 2006 at 14:39 - 9

People are startled by them regardless the first time that they see them on a mission. I get all kinds of reactions when I bring them on Tyria Missions. A monstorously tall golem would have been cooler, but you certainly can spot them in a crowd of minions....

Str0b0

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Carolina

N/Me

08 May 2006 at 15:19 - 10

Using a literal definition in a FANTASY context has got to be the dumbest thing I've ever seen in my life. God if you only knew how many iterations of golems there are in some of the old school RPG's, I don't mean video games I mean pen and paper and dice games. Christ D&D is chock full of them and not all of them are necessarily human in appearance. The Bone Golemn for instance is often an amalgamation of different bits and pieces. By all fantasy definitions it is definately a golem. It is an artificial construct imbued with life and unnatural strength and resilience. At any rate it is still just a game and I like the flesh golem look. It's nasty and vicious looking. The sort of thing you expect to see tearing soeone's guts open and playing with their kidneys.

Rayne Nightfyre

Wilds Pathfinder

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Acolytes of Lyssa [AL]

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08 May 2006 at 15:21 - 11

I had also expected it to look like the Flesh Golem we were all used to in Perdition Rock, but it was a nice surprise seeing a completely new look. I see your point Xenoranger, it may not fall under the "golem" category if there's a need to get that technical. (but is there really a need?

) I'd rather see an undead cow/rhino anyway.

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

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R/Mo

08 May 2006 at 15:31 - 12

Flesh Golem

Tada~

xenoranger

Wilds Pathfinder

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08 May 2006 at 15:39 - 13

Quote:

Originally Posted by rancidgoat

lol..take it to Tyria and go into a lower lvl area and join a group and annimate it, it scares the crap outta people. lol

Dang.. I wish I was on now. I actually wanted to take it to Northern Wall or some low level place in Tyria just to animate it for reactions.

Although, when I first saw it, I wasn't startled or anything. I was just like... "oh"... not much in summons really startles me anymore. I've played the Necro/Conjurer/Summoner in pretty much every game I've played. It's fun to over kill.

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Originally Posted by Rayne Nightfyre

I had also expected it to look like the Flesh Golem we were all used to in Perdition Rock, but it was a nice surprise seeing a completely new look. I see your point Xenoranger, it may not fall under the "golem" category if there's a need to get that technical. (but is there really a need?

) I'd rather see an undead cow/rhino anyway.

I just put the dictionary definition up there for a point of reference. Kinda expecting someone to retort with, "Do you even know what a Golem is?" or "Do you even know the definition of Golem?" Sometimes you get immature people saying stuff like that.

Either way, I don't mind the look, but the combination of look and name. OH well, I can live with it (especially since I capped it =p ).
Thread's point was to see if anyone else shared in my disappointment of the labeling.

Although, I'm wondering if they're going to add more summons for the next game? HOnestly, I would like the ability to reanimate players as zombies or something. Kinda a necro version of Ressurect/Rebirth/whatever, except they become zombified creatures that can use that player's skills, but degen if not attacking.

May sound silly, but I think a zombified Necro Rez skill wouldn't be half bad.

Little off topic, so.. sorry.

eudas

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

Tx, USA

The Infinite Monkeys [TYPE]

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08 May 2006 at 17:40 - 14

maybe it should be called 'Animate Bone Monstrosity.'

in any case, i was rather disappointed to see an "animate golem" for the necro. copying diablo2 necromancers FTL. :/

eudas

Raif Bahlaan

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2006

08 May 2006 at 17:47 - 15

When I first saw it I tried to target and kill it. I thought it was one of the "afflicted". I like it though, hopefully it may give a few extra style points to the under-rated Necro's.

Diablo???

Forge Runner

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08 May 2006 at 17:49 - 16

Quote:

Originally Posted by lyra_song

Flesh Golem

Tada~

Genius!

xenoranger

Wilds Pathfinder

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08 May 2006 at 18:11 - 17

Quote:

Originally Posted by eudas

maybe it should be called 'Animate Bone Monstrosity.'

in any case, i was rather disappointed to see an "animate golem" for the necro. copying diablo2 necromancers FTL. :/

eudas

You take that back. They're not copying Diablo II.

OH, but I did hear they're adding Revive Monster in the next chapter.

Imaginos

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

08 May 2006 at 19:14 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by rancidgoat

i see your point about the name , i was expecting the great big one too. but i capped it last night and i think it is awsome, he pwns at lvl26 and his degen is slow as hell. lol..take it to Tyria and go into a lower lvl area and join a group and annimate it, it scares the crap outta people. lol

Where did you find this to cap it?

Nevin

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2005

08 May 2006 at 20:45 - 19

They need to change the models by a long shot..

Minions = Undead Scarabs
Vampiric Horrors = Flying imp-ish creatures?
Golem = Original model

Serafita Kayin

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08 May 2006 at 21:20 - 20

Winter wants Animate Homunculus.

Gmr Leon

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08 May 2006 at 21:27 - 21

Quote:

Originally Posted by xenoranger

It's kinda sad too, because I would've liked to be able to control the original ones.

Agreed,I wish I could control the original ones. Not to mention the fact they can raise weak minions to assist them which would make things even more interesting on the battlefield.

eudas

Wilds Pathfinder

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Tx, USA

The Infinite Monkeys [TYPE]

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08 May 2006 at 21:53 - 22

Quote:

Originally Posted by xenoranger

You take that back. They're not copying Diablo II.

OH, but I did hear they're adding Revive Monster in the next chapter.

*snicker*

eudas

Mr_T_bot

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08 May 2006 at 22:18 - 23

It should still be called a Bone Juggernaut.

hidden_agenda

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08 May 2006 at 22:24 - 24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lasher Dragon

It has 2 arms, 2 legs, a torso and a head. That's humanoid.

By that definition, a T-Rex is humanoid.

UndeadRoadkill

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

08 May 2006 at 22:40 - 25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Serafita Kayin

Winter wants Animate Homunculus.

Is that for the Alchemist class in chapter 3?

eudas

Wilds Pathfinder

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The Infinite Monkeys [TYPE]

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08 May 2006 at 22:54 - 26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_T_bot

It should still be called a Bone Juggernaut.

Would it have to shout its name every time it enters the room?

eudas

NoChance

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

08 May 2006 at 23:05 - 27

Quote:

Originally Posted by GmrLeon

Agreed,I wish I could control the original ones. Not to mention the fact they can raise weak minions to assist them which would make things even more interesting on the battlefield.

actually, that would suck because you would be fighting over corpses with your own minion.

plus, i'll be Anet is waiting for a future chapter to introduce minions who can case spells.

as for the Vampiric horrors, the good thing about them in PvP is that you can hide vampiric horrors amongst the regular looking ones, maybe that's what Anet intended?

Rayne Nightfyre

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Acolytes of Lyssa [AL]

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08 May 2006 at 23:05 - 28

Quote:

Originally Posted by xenoranger

Although, I'm wondering if they're going to add more summons for the next game? HOnestly, I would like the ability to reanimate players as zombies or something. Kinda a necro version of Ressurect/Rebirth/whatever, except they become zombified creatures that can use that player's skills, but degen if not attacking.

May sound silly, but I think a zombified Necro Rez skill wouldn't be half bad.

Yes...what a wonderful way to anger your allies by bringing back their souls as zombies instead of resurrecting them...

1337 Paladin: REZ ME!11!!1!
1337 Paladin: REZ ME!11!!1!
Ignorant Necro: I'm using Animate Zombie on 1337 Paladin!
1337 Paladin: WTF!?!? REZ ME!11!1

That would definitely be amusing, but I doubt it'll happen.

UndeadRoadkill

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

08 May 2006 at 23:11 - 29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rayne Nightfyre

Yes...what a wonderful way to anger your allies by bringing back their souls as zombies instead of resurrecting them...

1337 Paladin: REZ ME!11!!1!
1337 Paladin: REZ ME!11!!1!
Ignorant Necro: I'm using Animate Zombie on 1337 Paladin!
1337 Paladin: WTF!?!? REZ ME!11!1

That would definitely be amusing, but I doubt it'll happen.

Haha, that would be hilarious! And I'm waiting for mean, antisocial skills like, 'transfer all conditions from yourself to target ally."

NoChance

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

08 May 2006 at 23:12 - 30

animate a player as a zombie: i think that would be visually a great idea, seeing a zombified skin for other players.

Lasher Dragon

Draconic Rage Incarnate

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Iowa

Alphahive

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08 May 2006 at 23:17 - 31

Quote:

Originally Posted by hidden_agenda

By that definition, a T-Rex is humanoid.

Yeah I suppose it would be....

If you chopped off it's tail.

makosi

Grotto Attendant

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"Pre-nerf" is incorrect. It's pre-buff.

Requirement Begins With R [notQ]

Me/

08 May 2006 at 23:24 - 32

Quote:

Originally Posted by UndeadRoadkill

Haha, that would be hilarious! And I'm waiting for mean, antisocial skills like, 'transfer all conditions from yourself to target ally."

THAT made me laugh, thanks

I'm using ASBO on UndeadRoadKill!

Gmr Leon

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

08 May 2006 at 23:34 - 33

When one of your undead minions dies if your quick enough can you raise another from it's disappearing corpse? I think I somehow managed that once. Off topic I know..

Solberg the Exiled

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Xen of Onslaught

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08 May 2006 at 23:35 - 34

A minotaur it looks like, perhaps animate vengeful aatxe then would be good.

Gmr Leon

Wilds Pathfinder

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08 May 2006 at 23:36 - 35

Heh...if I could draw a pic in very good detail I would post up a pic of what I would like to see as a new animate whatever skill.

Mr_T_bot

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09 May 2006 at 01:41 - 36

Quote:

Originally Posted by eudas

Would it have to shout its name every time it enters the room?

eudas

And it must threaten every little bald man it sees.

SisterMercy

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2005

Sisters of Mercy

09 May 2006 at 02:09 - 37

Actually, I think the Flesh Golems are kinda cute. In a necrotic sort of way.

And I understand your point about the name being the same as the ones from Perdition Rock, but who's to say that all monstrosities should look the same? Personally, I found the ones at Perdition Rock lanky and awkward looking and was a bit apprehensive at the spell name originally, although I do like the height.

Quote:

Originally Posted by UndeadRoadkill

Haha, that would be hilarious! And I'm waiting for mean, antisocial skills like, 'transfer all conditions from yourself to target ally."

Well, rangers can already strip off all the enchants on the party. Kewl!

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoChance

plus, i'll be Anet is waiting for a future chapter to introduce minions who can case spells.

Ooo. =)

Quote:

Originally Posted by GmrLeon

When one of your undead minions dies if your quick enough can you raise another from it's disappearing corpse? I think I somehow managed that once. Off topic I know.

I've had few troubles, even against corpse-exploiting Necro enemies (aside from lag stuff). Just have to watch and time it.

What would be nicer, though, is a minion status bar in the party menu or a mini-menu for us necros, making them easier to select.

lg5000

Jungle Guide

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Australia

09 May 2006 at 02:18 - 38

Quote:

Originally Posted by UndeadRoadkill

Haha, that would be hilarious! And I'm waiting for mean, antisocial skills like, 'transfer all conditions from yourself to target ally."

They already have a skill similar to it, it's called Martyre

Xapti

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2005

Mo/

09 May 2006 at 05:37 - 39

I thought golem was a stupid word to use too. Don't forget there's also the abomination model (you can see them in dragon's gullet), which is different than the flesh golems in pertition rock. (main thing is they have heads)

It's also not made only or even mostly of flesh.. it has tons of bone and such on it. The developpers haven't ever followed much fantasy accurately though, so I wouldn't expect them to start here.
It's fantasy anyway; who expects everything to be followed correctly, when you're dealing with imaginary creatures anyway?

You have to realize that this game just isn't about that kind of stuff. Just like when you see unrealistic TV shows or movies, just ignore the fact, and enjoy the movie.
I do care about accuracy, but just realize that only a game llike DDO would likely follow thigns correctly.

Manic Smile

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09 May 2006 at 06:41 - 40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rayne Nightfyre

Yes...what a wonderful way to anger your allies by bringing back their souls as zombies instead of resurrecting them...

1337 Paladin: REZ ME!11!!1!
1337 Paladin: REZ ME!11!!1!
Ignorant Necro: I'm using Animate Zombie on 1337 Paladin!
1337 Paladin: WTF!?!? REZ ME!11!1

That would definitely be amusing, but I doubt it'll happen.

awww man....I almost choked on my burger...lmao