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TheGuildWarsPenguin

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

Los Angeles, California

Picnic Pioneers

E/

10 May 2006 at 04:47 - 1

Someone in my guild said that Sup. Absorbtions were 9.5k at the rune trader so I exited by AB and went to my hall and it really was 9.5k so I bought some. Sup. Vigors were 33k when I saw the price of them while buying the Absorbtion rune. No, this wasn't during any trader reset or anything, it was today.

Mr D J

Permanently Unbanned

Join Date: Jun 2005

10 May 2006 at 04:50 - 2

yes they went down a whole lot... I wouldnt be buying them now :/ although I already got 3 in storage

Bowman Artemis

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

Gold Coast, Australia.

Overclockers Australia [OCAU]

10 May 2006 at 04:58 - 3

Awww, on the day I'm poor.

Typical.

{IceFire}

Forge Runner

Join Date: Oct 2005

W/

10 May 2006 at 04:59 - 4

i bought 3, one for my uses heh. couldnt pass this up.

spellfall

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2006

Demise Reborned {DRB}

N/Mo

10 May 2006 at 05:00 - 5

it's this marvelous thing called supply and demand...in short, all the new assassins dont use it, and Anet made it easier to farm so...more in the bank + less leaving the bank = cheapo runes for teh nubzors...and the elite like me

Sekkira

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Canberra, AU

10 May 2006 at 05:13 - 6

I bought my Superior Absorbtion for 90k back in the day and don't regret that it's 10x cheaper now.

lg5000

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Australia

10 May 2006 at 05:18 - 7

They've been between 9.5 and 10k for the last 2 days after spending about a week or so at 11k. Now all I need is the sup. vigor to go down in price, or farm ettins and get lucky, and I'll have the runes my warrior needs for her new armor

Farin

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

Delta Formation [DF]

W/

10 May 2006 at 05:37 - 8

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sekkira

I bought my Superior Absorbtion for 90k back in the day and don't regret that it's 10x cheaper now.

Same. It did it's job. Btw I wouldn't buy any Sup absorbs hoping that they'd go up back to 80k. They'll probably stay as they are.

Olfin Bedwere

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

Stillwater, Oklahoma

W/Mo

10 May 2006 at 05:39 - 9

Vigors were at 26k sometime Yesterday. Had one drop and went to price it, just my luck.

myword

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

Korea

10 May 2006 at 05:52 - 10

wammos are out of fashion, assmos are in

TideSwayer

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

We Farm Your [?????????s]

10 May 2006 at 05:58 - 11

I'm sure the sweatshops are overjoyed that it only costs a little more than 10k total now for the 55-monk rune set.

RTSFirebat

The Humanoid Typhoon

Join Date: May 2005

UK

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

R/

10 May 2006 at 06:06 - 12

Its about time, got one for my W/Mo farmer.

noblepaladin

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

10 May 2006 at 06:58 - 13

10k for a very important warrior rune is still very expensive. ANET wanted to make it cheaper so they increased drop rate. Decrease in price also aided by people making assassins instead of warriors.

Sekkira

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Canberra, AU

10 May 2006 at 07:05 - 14

10k for a rune that reduces damage by 3 points per hit permanently too much? lmao

Fossa

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2005

10 May 2006 at 07:29 - 15

Quote:

Originally Posted by spellfall

it's this marvelous thing called supply and demand...in short, all the new assassins dont use it, and Anet made it easier to farm so...more in the bank + less leaving the bank = cheapo runes for teh nubzors...and the elite like me

It seems the supply and demands system is out of play when it comes to most commodities. Rune prices seems capped, there seems to be a max/min price that the traders offer. The assasin/ritualist runes has been out of stock for 2½ weeks and when you try to sell it to the trader he offers a pitifull price.

The Sup Absorption has been dropping like there's no tomorrow, as have other sup runes. Probably so the ones who doesn't own Prophecies wont have to save up for a month to afford them.

Everyone is selling rubies and sapphires yet the price never goes lower than 2.2K.

We are not playing in a real supply/demand system

Carth`

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

10 May 2006 at 07:34 - 16

I got a superior assassin rune and when I went to the trader he was out of stock, but asked be a very low price for it. So I'm thinking the same thing. Demand for assassin runes right now is through the roof, but the prices aren't. ANet must be controlling the prices behind the scenes to some extent.

My Sweet Revenga

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

R/

10 May 2006 at 08:06 - 17

Hrmm I got wealthy selling these things. I guess it's about time I tried using one lol.

-Loki-

Forge Runner

Join Date: Oct 2005

10 May 2006 at 08:57 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carth`

I got a superior assassin rune and when I went to the trader he was out of stock, but asked be a very low price for it. So I'm thinking the same thing. Demand for assassin runes right now is through the roof, but the prices aren't. ANet must be controlling the prices behind the scenes to some extent.

No, they just didn't stock the traders. So, the traders are only going to have what people sell them. Also, an out of stock trader doesn't offer much to begin with, which is very odd. If it has low stock it offers alot, if it has no stock it doesn't offer much. It's done it to me when I've gone to sell other things to it which were out of stock.

Fossa

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2005

10 May 2006 at 09:35 - 19

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Loki-

No, they just didn't stock the traders. So, the traders are only going to have what people sell them. Also, an out of stock trader doesn't offer much to begin with, which is very odd. If it has low stock it offers alot, if it has no stock it doesn't offer much. It's done it to me when I've gone to sell other things to it which were out of stock.

I bought a full set of Assasin minors from the trader on the head-start day. Might have been someone who had sold them to the trader but I think Anet had actually stocked them.
The day after assasin/ritualist/minor and major vigor was out of stock, as was most materials.

Maxiemonster

There is no spoon.

Join Date: Jun 2005

Netherlands

Mo/

10 May 2006 at 11:23 - 20

EDIT: Zomg, misunderstood, don't mind the last post ^^

Anyway

I like the new pricing, 90K+ was quite alot, even though I bought alot with near that price..

Lady Erighan

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2005

Defenders of Gods

E/Me

10 May 2006 at 12:24 - 21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hunter Sharparrow

The prices of the superior absorbtion and vigor is due to anets update that increased the drop rate of rare items and that every rare armor will be a superior rune of some kind. However, before the update it was that a superior absorbtion was the rarest one to find and superior vigor was the second rarest. They changed this as well. Superior vigor has been made the rarest rune now but not because they decreased the drop rate, it was because they increased the drop rate of superior absorbtion.

The price of superior vigors has gone down do the the update but the price of superior absorbtion has gone down as much as it did because the drop rate of that specific rune as been increased directly. Now the price of vigors are due to drop some as well (not alot just some) once everyone with their new characters have them.

Exactly, the price of Sup. Absop. has nothing to do with demand. It has everything to do with supply. Anet boosted the drop rate for that particular rune and now they can be farmed in 5 minutes time.

Fossa

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2005

10 May 2006 at 12:28 - 22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lady Erighan

Exactly, the price of Sup. Absop. has nothing to do with demand. It has everything to do with supply. Anet boosted the drop rate for that particular rune and now they can be farmed in 5 minutes time.

I was so happy when I got a sup abs last week until I discovered that everyone else playing GW had at least one

bebe

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

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Put the peanut in the peanut hole!

10 May 2006 at 12:30 - 23

yes.

im quite pleased on how low the sup.absorbs have gotten!

ftwftwftw!

Rayne Nightfyre

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Acolytes of Lyssa [AL]

Me/A

10 May 2006 at 12:36 - 24

No complaints here, I can finally fully outfit my Warrior!

Uzul

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

Arctic Tundra

Pints N Quarts [PsQs]

10 May 2006 at 12:51 - 25

this is so great - i never allowed my warrior to keep them: the profit margin was just too big NOT to sell it to the npc / some rich farmer.

but now i just bought two - one for my warrior, and another one for... someday. O_o /yay
me-sa like new price!

quickmonty

Ancient Windbreaker

Join Date: May 2005

10 May 2006 at 12:58 - 26

All the economy arguments mean nothing. Anet controls the market and the prices. Period!

Vahn Roi

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2006

[HiDE]

10 May 2006 at 13:08 - 27

The rune prices don't make sense at all due to inflation.

I lost over 100k in rune investments when factions came out

chessyang

Not far from Elite

Join Date: Apr 2006

Florida

W/

10 May 2006 at 13:11 - 28

Quote:

Originally Posted by quickmonty

Anet controls the market and the prices. Period!

they control prices? i agree on the market but not the prices... and comeon Anet make a MOd trader/merchant

quickmonty

Ancient Windbreaker

Join Date: May 2005

10 May 2006 at 13:21 - 29

Quote:

Originally Posted by chessyang

they control prices? i agree on the market but not the prices... and comeon Anet make a MOd trader/merchant

Was referring to the trader prices. Nothing can control what the fools will pay the greedy for that "uber perfect elite weapon of uselessness".

Lady Erighan

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2005

Defenders of Gods

E/Me

10 May 2006 at 13:32 - 30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vahn Roi

The rune prices don't make sense at all due to inflation.

I lost over 100k in rune investments when factions came out

Why don't they make sense? Increased drop rate and guaranteed Superiors Runes from all gold armors equals lower prices across the board. That's exactly what's happing.

quickmonty

Ancient Windbreaker

Join Date: May 2005

10 May 2006 at 13:40 - 31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hunter Sharparrow

Except that prior to the update there were quite a few absorbtions being sold and any one time which means the supply was already there. However those were either people who got really lucky or farmers farming the right area (it's no longer a matter of if but rather a matter of when if all you do is farm for runes). However despite the supply those that had them were selling them at a price between the buying and selling price of the trader. Leaning towards the buying to get the most for it. This price at the trader was strongly influenced by the rate at which it dropped. Increase the drop rate and the price will decrease as it loses it's rarety despite the amount in supply. Even if noone had one right now and everyone wanted one, the prices would climb but never reach what they used to be since they drop more often now.

That sentence I put in BOLD seems to be the point of your argument in this, and several other threads. It makes an assumption that all or most people sell to other people. Most people that I talk to sell to the trader to save time, or give the item to another friend/guild member. It would be interesting to actually see statistics on what percentage sell to trader and what percentage sell to other people. But until you can show such statistics to support your point of view, it is just that ..... your point of view and not the facts that you seem to make it appear.

Vahn Roi

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2006

[HiDE]

10 May 2006 at 13:46 - 32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lady Erighan

Why don't they make sense? Increased drop rate and guaranteed Superiors Runes from all gold armors equals lower prices across the board. That's exactly what's happing.

I was speaking specifically about the minor assassin and ritualits runes costing more than than most major runes of the same class.

quickmonty

Ancient Windbreaker

Join Date: May 2005

10 May 2006 at 13:50 - 33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hunter Sharparrow

The point I am making in the posts above is that the price is primarily influenced by the rate at which the item drops. Not the supply (number currently floating in the system) or demand (how many people want it) although they play their part it is only a small part. Much smaller than what people make it out to be.

But isn't the rate of drop directly related to the supply? Or are you saying that Anet somehow adds and/or subtracts from trader inventory so that the drop rate actually has little to do with the trader's supply rate?

And you still haven't addressed the issue of how many sell directly to other players vs. how many sell directly to trader (and subsequently how many buy directly from trader).

TheArrow

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

USA

The Illuminati [Illu]

Mo/

10 May 2006 at 13:57 - 34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vahn Roi

I was speaking specifically about the minor assassin and ritualits runes costing more than than most major runes of the same class.

Minor runes will always cost more than their major counterparts because the health penalty on major runes makes them basically worthless. If you want the boost that badly then you are going to take the extra 25 health hit and just use the superior. If the attribute doesn't matter that much then you will probably want the minor to save a health penalty.

eudas

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

Tx, USA

The Infinite Monkeys [TYPE]

W/

10 May 2006 at 18:21 - 35

a guild member and i were talking about how nobody uses major runes, and i posited the idea that if minor runes followed the consistent pattern of -25hp per +1 attribute:

superior: -75hp +3attr
major: -50hp +2attr
minor: -25hp +1attr

then maybe more people would use major runes, because it wouldn't just be a choice of "max hp loss or no hp loss" anymore. people would actually look at their builds, and figure out how much they needed that extra attribute boost.

eudas

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

10 May 2006 at 18:31 - 36

Quote:

Originally Posted by quickmonty

But isn't the rate of drop directly related to the supply? Or are you saying that Anet somehow adds and/or subtracts from trader inventory so that the drop rate actually has little to do with the trader's supply rate?

And you still haven't addressed the issue of how many sell directly to other players vs. how many sell directly to trader (and subsequently how many buy directly from trader).

Didn't Anet say in the Factions update they have increased drop rates for both Sup Vigours and Absorptions? I'm yet to see the truth for Vigours though, Absorptions have just been dropping all the time, as Lady Erighan proved with her Ettin Farming trips getting 3 of them in an hour.

I've never understood if selling materials or runes in trades affects the rune traders prices. But it would explain why the price of Sup Absorptions stuck at 100k for so long, you could guarantee you'd get a better deal from a real person than the trader quite quickly.

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

10 May 2006 at 18:36 - 37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hunter Sharparrow

The price of superior vigors has gone down do the the update .

unless something drastic happened yesterday they were selling for 40k.

the ones i bought a while ago were 22k

EDIT

just checked and they are 32k now

also bought a few minor ass/rit runes now available as well as a sup rit

Cerberus

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2006

Gates of Hades

Edge Of Extinction

10 May 2006 at 18:45 - 38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evilsod

Didn't Anet say in the Factions update they have increased drop rates for both Sup Vigours and Absorptions? I'm yet to see the truth for Vigours though, Absorptions have just been dropping all the time, as Lady Erighan proved with her Ettin Farming trips getting 3 of them in an hour.

Indeed they did state that they had uncreased the % chance of these runes dropping, however it seems the % chance was tweaked a little too much as most ppl will tell you Sup Abs drops like candy from ettins, b4 this statement i only ever saw 2 since release, now i can get a Sup Abs almost every run Guaranteed. However Sup Vigors which i could get fairly ofthen are almost none existant, Agreed these r the "Elite Runes" to get if u like but still.

It's gotten to the point now where i simple give them away to Guildie's, yes u heard me Give them away, (though still got a few in storage just incase

)

EternalTempest

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

United States

Dark Side Ofthe Moon [DSM]

E/

10 May 2006 at 18:48 - 39

Quote:

Originally Posted by chessyang

they control prices? i agree on the market but not the prices... and comeon Anet make a MOd trader/merchant

They want a player driven market but they will directly middle with it via drop rates to control it if certain things are not the way they want them.

Fossa

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2005

10 May 2006 at 18:55 - 40

Quote:

Originally Posted by EternalTempest

They want a player driven market but they will directly middle with it via drop rates to control it if certain things are not the way they want them.

They'll meddle in the market too. Remember the days when Black Dye were at 60K at the traders? A quick patch and the price was down to 8K or so.