Time to fix the ele problem

Don't you mean ftl? As in for the loss? As opposed to for the win, which generally applies to something good. Of course, more than likely you were being sarcastic, but that doesn't come across all too well in text. I say that second bit because I always instinctively see it as faster-than-light. Too much sci-fi, I guess...

Like QFT, which I always read as quit f*cking talking. Kinda jars with the rest of the post, usually. Leaving me confused for a couple seconds.

Eviscerate = 200 damage.

GG

Don't factor in Deep wound.

Then only a rit can do above 150 in 1 hit. (To one creature. Energy surge could do more)

Why not? Eviscerate has the net effect of reducing health by 200. You can play stupid word games all you like, but I'm still a lot more worried when I get hit with an eviscerate than when I get hit with a lightning orb.

Relying on conditions for damage is bad.

Pretty sure when your character is face down in the dirt you don't care that 100 of it was caused by a condition. Eviscerate is a spike skill and Deep Wound adds ~100 damage for that purpose. If you don't kill them, sure, the damage is gone as soon as the condition is, but if you're going to go there then Lightning Orb is worthless because any monk with a brain can heal that all day.

If you're randomly eviscerating people without aim, then yes this is true. However if you're doing that you're an idiot and there's no point arguing with you over it. Eviscerate is a spike skill in the same way as Lightning Orb, it's just eviscerate is better.

Hey, stop hatin' lightning orb. It's not its fault it's a deficient skill. If you base your entire argument vs. eles on lightning orb than it's kind of sad. For those who say eles are weak and have a problem, you obviously haven't seen a good elementalist in action, PvE or PvP, elementalists can be useful. Just a few examples, in PvP, air eles can be good vs. warriors. Obviously blind, along with the armor penetration does wonders vs. the high armor class of warriors. If you don't see why, you need a math class or 10. In PvE, fire skills can make it impossible for a monk(maybe even two) to fend off the attack damage of even one elementalist, let alone an entire group focusing an attack. As it turns out, you can do about 450 points of damage with three skills, while setting your enemy on fire, all within a very short amount of time. And it's not just one enemy, its an entire area, making a monks job very difficult. I'm not going to tell you how though, because I don't share my builds with n00bs, but if you don't think it's possible, prove to me that's it is not, MATHEMATICALLY, and I'll believe you.

My basic point, is that an elementalist with decent skills(not one who spams lightning orb or meteor shower or stone daggers or flare or w/e) can keep the heat on the enemy. My elementalists build is able to use 5 different attack spells without running out of energy(granted my attunements stay up) and to use them continously, so that there is never a break in spell casting. Even without attunements, I could keep it up for quite a bit too, but obviously not very long. Elementalists are not weak, just the people who play them. Get used to it.

Have you read the thread "Why Nuking Sucks"? If not, then perhaps you should go read all 25+ pages before you continue to make a fool of yourself.

Sure they are useful, they just aren't useful for doing damage.

Actually, you would need the math class. Armour penetration makes spells work better against targets with low armour than targets with high armour. Air magic is far better at spiking squishies than it is at spiking warriors.

Why should I be impressed that you've managed to figure out a build that does a pitiful 450 damage when a warrior will also do the same damage using less skills in less time, with more armour?

Your point is incorrect. Please go read the "Why Nuking Sucks" thread for the full explanation, and please stop spreading your ignorant misinformation.

Ha ha and I guess your the elementalist expert? Nuking sucks? That must be why I kill things all the time...

And yes, a warrior can do more damage in a shorter amount of time with less skills, sure, but it's only to one enemy... :O If an elementalist only attacked on enemy, yeah, 450 damage would be pathetic, but last time I checked there were a lot of skills that did this...AoE...thing...odd. Maybe that would do 450 damage to a broad area of enemies...causing up to like...1000s of damage depending on how many monsters are in the area. OMG! Can warriors do 450 damage to a lot of enemies simultaneous over an area? Oh that's right they can't. I forgot that they had to do that whole physical contact/reach their enemy kind of thing.

But don't say something like "Monsters run from AoE" because there are AoE spells they don't run from. Examples are Phoenix, Dragon's Stomp, Fireball, Rodgort's Invocation, etc. I'm not listing them all. Yes, I know they run from AoE spells that are also effective over time, with examples like Fire Storm and Meteor shower, I don't use any pathetic spell like that.

And yes, obviously armor penetration would end up providing better results against weaker armor, I thought that would be obvious. But spiking air spells, not just lightning orb, is effective vs. warriors, and it's just and EXAMPLE. Not a Gospel. If you would like another example, there are spells like obsidian flame, which do the said amount of dmg no matter which armor.

Double dragon @ 18 = 133 * 2 (Assuming this is your start skill and you used the glyph)
Fireball @ 16 = 119
Flame burst @ 16 = 127
Inferno @ 16 = 142
Meteor @ 16 = 119

Anyways...Double dragon & any 2 other skills will deal ~450 aoe.

Of course 101 is standard warrior armor with an of defence mod and a shield.
That mighty 142 turns into a managable 69.

So really
65 * 2
+ 58
+ 58

Your 500 damage turned into a measely 246 that takes place over ~5 seconds. Good luck convincing the monk to not heal.

Also, warriors have penetraiting blow...which they can use a lot faster than orb. (Did anyone mention orb misses 75% of the time due to sparatic movement of everything)

You kill them slower than the warrior would. You kill them incredibly slower than spiteful spirit would. I told you to go read Ensign's "Why Nuking Sucks" thread, and since you obviously hasn't, I'm going to treat you like the ignorant child that you apparently are for the rest of this message.

I'm really concerned about the area of effect damage when half the spells only work against adjacent targets, and the other half will have their damage reduced by more than 50%.

Cyclone axe + triple chop.

Useless as it's an "adjacent" AOE spell.

Another PBAE. I thought it was bad that warrior's had to run up to the monsters to hit them?

Would be nice if it would actually hit more than one target at a time. You'd have to increase the AOE so that it would actually hit people more than a body length away from each other.

Has a nice AOE, but is horribly overpriced and takes far too long to cast.

You'd be better off spiking that warrior with another warrior, a blood necro, or any one of the classes that provides armour negating damage rather than an elementalist.

Obsidian flame is one of the very few elementalist spells that are actually good. Of course, it does less damage than eviscerate, and causes exhaustion, so good is a relative term.

I dunno, I seem to get tunderclapped+lightning striked+lightning orbed+that evil skill that knocks me on my butt to death when i try to take the ele shrine with another warrior. And eles do NOT need better armor. They have more energy than any other class, and if they had the armor of a warrior they'd be unstoppable. Consider it for a moment. You're getting obsidian flamed to death, you move in, try to kill the mo-fo that is doing that to you, and HE JUST WON'T GO DOWN, because you're doing like THREES to him. And if that wasn't frustrating enough, lets view the scenario with a whole team of them.

Eles are a SUPPORT class, not a primary damage class. Get over it, stop whining.

(however, the ele exhaustion is just stupid. Remove exhaustion or make less of it plz Anet)

Why don't you go read your manual again.

I play every class in the game. I enjoy my elementalist, but I am fully aware that the only thing he is good for is taking out stationary targets. I recently went thru Vizunna Square. Every fresh target I picked was dead before I could cast any damage effective spells. I eventually started spamming Flare and Immolate just so I could accasionally share in the drops. (I got three through the entire mission.) If this experience is universal then I agree something needs to be done.

Energy Storage is fine. I can start fresh with 75 to 80+ energy at any given time. However casting costs are not fine. I can still run out of energy as I did spamming in Vizuna Square. They are too high for the secondary holder of the class also. Costs should be dropped by about 5 points on every skill that isn't already 5 points. Exhasution isn't bad, but it is too high. The only two elite skills I use are Trident and Glyph of Energy. The latter allows me to eliminate exhaustion and carry one exhaustion causing skill. Reduce exhaustion effects by half and you have something a little more functional. I would rather make the secondary use of Ele more functional. There are very few X/Eles. Those that are tend to be Rangers or now Ritualists. With 15, 20, and 25 casting cost one might as well have told warriors not to bother.

Self healing is very limited for an Ele or Ele secondary. That also is a problem if you are thinking of being an Ele combo. Classes like Assassin, Monk, Necro, Ranger, and Ritualist are atleast ok for healing. A Mes only has Ether Feast, Warriors have the infamous Healing Signet. Aura of restoration is a primary attribute skill and so makes other classes comboing with Ele dependent on the monk or virtually nothing. More self heals would be good for Ele, Mes, and Warrior, and maybe a few others as well. I would think each class should have one regen and one flat heal available for use in secondary attributes.

If the costs are lowered that still will not make the Ele improve on DPS. Reducing casting speed would. Better chances at not being interrupted would also. (For every point in Energy Storage create a 5% chance to prevent interruption.)

Concerning the AoE nerf, there are skills that would help if they were effective. The Area of Effect is so small in most cases that even chaining in Ice Spikes, Gale, etc. the foe still departs before there is any real damage (30 maybe). I do better using SoJ/Kirrin's Wrath on my Warrior than any AoE from my Ele. With my warrior I can maneuver someone into a trap. The casters cannot do this and remain at range. The fact remains, if a warrior traps a target, by the time my spell goes off the target is already dead. Cooperative gaming is not possible under those conditions, I just let the warrior kill for me.

The Elementalist is viewed as so powerful that it is nearly nerfed.

1) Very slow casting speed.
2) Easily interrupted.
3) One of two casting classes whose skills are specifically resisted by a large segment of armors and mods. (Monks - Holy Damage, Necros - Shadow Damage, Mesmers - Chaos Damage) Rits have a mix I think.
4) AoE largely ineffective, and skill chaining is useless here as the slow skills are over by the time a new spell can be cast.

Fitz

The problem is that over half of the Elementalist's spells deal damage and the majority added in Factions are also damage (however poor many of them are). Therefore, we can conclude that Arenanet thinks the Elementalist have a significant damage component. So I'm sure you can see why no one takes your "they're working as intended, get over it and stop whining" seriously.

NO MORE IMPROVEMENTS, its all good as it is!

The following is my opinion only. Don't get mad if others think different than you Elementalists should be able to deal the most damage out of any class in the least amount of time. Once they have done their main offensive, they should be vulnurable. Exaustion, slow recharge, energy management problems, poor armor, these are all good things. I just think that cast times and damage output should be improved a bit to counter the AoE nurf (which i thought was a good idea. Players will often leave a Meteor shower, why not cpu crits?)

mages should be feared as chractors. Even conan was of afraid of the mages. :P

maybe if you play the game instead of reading thread of how they suck and you will find there is not big probrem.

When a warrior hit is eviscerate button mean he aready have past some time to build adrenaline , against good team this may even mean 15+ second time.

plus the hit may miss , blocked , the target can kite etc etc.

stop using number for saying elementalist suck.

when i play HA or GvG i always take some elementalist to help with damage and support.

A elementalist damage is much more reliable then warrior damage.

a elementalist may get interupted that true , but the warrior can get blinded , kited etc etc.

They do different kind of damage. STOP

No one say the elementalist have to do more damage in number then other. maybe you get it from the manual or box. but in the box there also wrote harmstorm is deadly combination.

a warrior suffer much more due sparatic movement.

anyway

from the 110(deep wound apart) damage of eviscerate only 42 is armor free.
plus you can deal 110 damage only if you get a critical hit. who is certain only if the foe is running away from you.

Elementalists don't exactly cast instantaneously, either.

That's true of any attack that actually has to hit to deal damage. Anything that's not health stealing or direct damage can be missed, dodged, or blocked. And what do you know, that precludes most elementalist skills.

What the hell are we supposed to use? I'll stop using numbers to do that when you stop using words to defend them. Deal?

Support, eh? Yeah, they're great support. Blind, snares, wards, good ol' heal party spam... But they don't do damage. The manual tells me, hell, the in-game NPCs tell me, if I throw around meteors and lightning, I'll deal a load of damage. Unfortunately, that's not true. Either increase the damage potential or stop telling people it's there.

A warrior can deal consistent damage with no skills. Can you say the same of an elementalist?

That proves nothing. Anything can be shut down; the point is how dangerous it would be to not shut down the other player. A warrior, if not shut down, will easily do 2000+ damage per minute on a consistent basis. Elementalists can do that much... if they have 8 or 9 pips of energy regeneration. Which, coincidentally, they don't.

Yeah, and elementalists do less of it.

Go read the great work done here:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/a.../t-113319.html,
because you don't seem to be working with all the facts.

If Elementalists are a support class, then add some damn support skills.

I understand there's ward, snares, blinds, but there's like 5 support skills that are actually good. The fire line has NO support skills at all. Please do not say AoE will make a warrior run from your monk, it doesn't make me run, it does like 10 damage per hit when I play warrior.

point proven

Lacking proper support from the rest of your team does not constitute a profession being in balance. As far as the armor commentary is concerned, ask yourself the following. Why do rangers have the best armor against elementalists? Then examine how elementalist armor has bonuses to AL against elemental damage, with the exceptions being to the newly introduced armors with +health and +physical damage bonuses. I found the latter to be amusing since monks always had that option before.

One of the questions that arise is, "what profession is the ele designed to counter?" It is clear that at least 4 of the core professions have different design options that are meant to counter one, or more, of the other core professions. This conclusion can be derived from different aspects such as armor and skills available. Some would argue that the elementalist should be parrallel to the warrior damage capabilities, while others would argue that elementalists should be the raw force that can stop the warrior dead opposed to disabling which are other professions' specialty.

The problem is that the elementalist does neither at the same time and players have been forced to become creative to make the profession useful by blending in the energy storage, with energy recovery, and exploiting the deep options of the secondary professions more "spamable" skills.

The ratio of cost versus recovery time is more important than total pool of energy available. This is why expertise is far superior to energy storage in every possible instance. As for the commantary following that, i guess you dont know what enchantment removal is. If you were insinuating that the ele class's natural armor goes up to the 200+ level, then i think you have other issues to deal with or play an assassin too much.

Its only playable as a support class. Its strange though, considering from a design perspective, to give a "support class" 109 skills where only 16 of them affect other people and are not based upon damage. You can extend that number slightly further including the water snares that deal damage by another 5 skills and adding in envenerating charge, gust, and ash blast for a total of 24 possible "support skills". It is ignoring how many of those are eliete skills and could not be used together on the same bar, assuming ether prodigy wasnt taken anyway. This is excluding energy management as every energy based profession works that into a build to help its longevity. It is rather silly to state that the class was designed to support given the skill selections and their effects. The elementalist is a support class given the nature of monk spells, particularly heal party, combined with ether prodigy.

I also find it amusing, since your previous gross misinformation was attempting to support elementalists as damage dealers and now you do a 180 degree turn on that position. Do everyone a favor and just walk away, because it really doesnt sound like you understand what you are talking about.

E are an offensive support class. As it is already, they can be effective if the target is under a Guardian or Aegis, and the W or A can't get through, whereas the Meteor or Mind Freeze of the E would devastate it. That's why they work so well in combination. even if you say they deal less damage, as it's a different kind of damage, it forces the enemy Monks to take more skills to protect from those different kind of damages.

Protective spirit is fairly universal for damage protection originated from a monk. This single spell neuters the ele's ability to deal damage more than anything else in the game. Yes, it can be removed, but monk spells recycle faster than the majority of enchantment removal available and even then 1 reversal of fortune still stops the bulk of elementalist based single large packet damage.

Haha, I'm not reading some unlinked 25 page monstrosity just because you have apparently made it your Holy Nukie Bible. Throw us a link to it and maybe we will read some of it (or maybe all of it if it's less insulting and patronizing than your tone).

I have yet to see any compelling arguments that truly show Elementalists to be significantly underpowered and unequal of other classes. They have ways to get through armor if they want, ways to buff their own armor, ways to make spells against them fail, ways to help protect the party, ways to deal AoE affects to clumped up enemies in PvE, ways to KD, ways to condition, a large energy pool to play with and spells that significantly boost their energy regen, speed buffs, damage buffs, etc. etc. etc.

You throw me a bunch of numbers and say "Elementalists don't do enough damage to Warriors" and I say to you have you ever been a Mesmer getting hit by Chain Lightning or a Lightning Orb? It freakin' hurts. A Warrior hit with Weaken Armor and a max dmg Fireball? Guess what, that hurts too.

I honestly don't know what you would suggest they do to Elementalists that wouldn't just instantly overpower them. No exhaustion? Hello Echo-Obsidian Flame build. Faster casting & recharge times? C'mon, that's the downside to being able to have 4-5 spammable 50-120 damage spells on your bar. More energy? My PvP ele has a pool of about 100 energy with a weapon set to switch to that will protect about a third of it from E-denial. How much energy is enough? You say a Warrior or Ranger can attack all day long without wasting energy? That's what the Flare type spells are for.

What do all you complainers want that would even be close to reasonable?

If you're not going to research what you say, how can you have any ground in this arguement? I can easily say that, let's use an extreme and ludicris example, WW2 never happened, and say "blow me" when someone throws me a history book, but then of course no one would take me seriously.

Read the first post please, if nothing esle.

You have just been given the 25 page compelling arguement which proves they are unequal and underpowered in terms of pressure damage, , you just haven't bothered reading it.

building 8 hit of adrenaline = 2 second cast time?
most of elementalist damage cant be dodge , half other is projectile.
different kind of damage mean the comparison of number are not good


they cant do a good spike of damage when needed(spike or for finish the target). and offer good support damage.

a warrior can deal a consistent damage with no skill agaist a pratice target. real target can move , heal etc etc. the damage is reduced consistently.


a warrior if not shoutdown can make 2000+ damage for minute(agaist real team i say more like 1000) who can be healed or protected easly watching the warrior target.

a elementalist if not interupted can finish a target or heal the team for a lot of damage.
i read that thread when it was 5 pages.

the probrems is not if warrior do more damage then elementalist(who i'm not sure on real against real team)

the probrem is they are balaced?

IMO yes.

If you didn't get it after reading 5 pages, you think you might have after seeing the Finals. Name one elementalist that was used for constant damage. You can't. Water was used for snares, and Air was used for spike assist. That's it. The only damage dealers were warriors.


If a elementalist bent on constant damage is not even a possibility, there is an imbalence, at least in that respect.

So false it's not even funny. Damage is used to kill. That is all it is there for. Whether its 'magic' damage or 'shadow' damage or 'holy' damage or 'your adjective here' damage, it's sole purpose is Health depletion. Numbers mean everything. The higher the number associated with that damage skill, the better it accomplishes its one and only true goal: killing things. Elementalist skills that only do damage, or that do damage with a subsequent effect that is considered as good as damage (burning), are only as good as their numbers indicate, because that is as effective as they are at accomplishing your goal in using them.

(If you're talking about different kinds of secondary effects, then you may have a point. But damage is only damage, regardless of descriptive modifiers.)

I'm not sure why you're proud of the fact that you're ignorant and have refused to do basic research about the topic you're debating. Anyways, the thread is located at: Why Nuking Sucks

And guess what. It hurts less than eviscerate+executioner's strike.

Actually, that would be a good start towards balancing their squishiness with their current lack of damage capability.

They definetly need faster casting and recharge times. After all, even the best elementalist damage over time currently falls behind the best warrior damage over time.

And that energy buffer is absolutely useless once you've spent it. Are you expecting your opponent's to be so incompetent that they can't manage to survive through the roughly 400 damage that 100 energy will provide an elementalist?

Flare spam requires 8 pips of energy regen to maintain, and causes no more damage than an autoattacking warrior.

I have a definite love-hate relationship with that skill. The packet size and recharge are nice, but it really does cost too much for the effect, and the accuracy, particularly at long range, is something that drives me to tears at times. It is a skill that, everything being equal, I would not run.

Except there is *nothing* else to run on an air guy. For all of its faults, you absolutely need to have Orb on your bar if you want to even pretend that you can threaten a kill. Otherwise you're just a walking decoy, and that's just awful.


The argument against eles (if it hasn't been reiterated enough, strictly as damage dealers) comes to bear on Lightning Orb fairly often because for all of its faults, Orb is one of the better DDs available. If you're not talking about Lightning Orb you have to look at skills like Lightning Hammer or Shock Arrow and that isn't going to get you anywhere.


I have seen an awful lot of elementalists, and a few exceptionally good ones (I make a point of watching Dan Jang play ele through obs mode, he's an outstanding player). Played right, they are indeed very useful characters. I would know. But they are not *offensive* characters. The job of a well-played ele is somewhere around 80-90% defense. Once you realize that you're a fancy monk that can toss an Orb when it's called for, you can start playing the class well.


Your game against warriors starts and ends with Blinding Flash. That's not to knock the gameplan because Blinding Flash will frustrate a warrior to tears if he can't get it pulled off.

Armor penetration most certainly does not even things out against heavy armor. Sure it removes a larger chunk of armor from a heavily armored target, but a heavily armored target has *much more armor to begin with*. That a warrior only has ~30 more armor than a softie against your spells instead of ~40 really doesn't amount to much. Your DD is still poor to begin with, and their damage reduction from armor is way more than neccessary to keep you from being able to kill them. You can't kill them through a competent Healing Signet.

The value of an air elementalist against a warrior is that he can effectively prevent him from making any progress in killing NPCs, and can survive for a substantial amount of time (~2 minutes) without support against a physical. The only risk the warrior suffers, however, is his own stupidity.


I am always encouraged by people who state explicitly that they have no intention of backing up their points. You don't even have to refute them, you just point it out and they're discredited.


It actually creates a bit of a curve on raw added damage dealt - obviously armor penetration does nothing against 0 AL, but against high AL the added damage becomes trivial because it's still being reduced so thoroughly. Somewhere in between you reach a point where armor penetration is maximally effective at adding raw damage.

With the way Guild Wars rounds numbers, the AL against which 25% armor penetration is maximally effective is 61.


This is half right. If the target has block effects up and you have a build with a meaningful physical component, it is unlikely that they are going to die, ele or no ele. On the other hand, if those block effects are not present a Meteor or Mind Freeze (not that I'd run it but still) become rather effective because they are strong mes effects - they will hold your target in place long enough for your warriors to unload their adrenaline and your assassins to use their combos.

My favorite 'spiking' skill with an elementalist is Ice Spikes, because it contributes a non-trivial amount of damage, but more importantly snares a target for 5-6 seconds, which effectively deals *more* damage from the extra hits my warriors will get in. It's similar to why Shatter Enchantment is such a strong spiking skill, in addition to dealing a good amount of damage the Shatter will likely pull off some prot that would have prevented more warrior damage, effectively increasing the damage on the target.

In other words the warriors are always the vehicle for damage, but the right kinds of support make them significantly more dangerous.


It's only an imbalance if they decide that they want elementalists to be a damage profession. Clearly they're useful in some other roles that don't seem to upset the balance of the game. The elementalist 'problem', basically, is that they keep making all of these skills that have no real purpose other than dealing damage, enough of them that they clearly dominate the elementalist lines, and yet a vast majority of those skills are nigh-unplayable.

I would be mildly disappointed, albeit satisfied, if they just gave up and decided to make the ele a support class. Instead of giving us more Lightning Hammers and Shock Arrows, they could give us more utility spells like Windborne Speed and Blinding Flash and Gale, skills that people actually want to use. Then you'd have a profession that's more than a dozen skills deep.

On the other hand, if they want the elementalist to be an offensive class, and want to keep making spells that deal damage above all else, then those skills have an obligation in my mind to not be complete shit. If all the advertising for the game talks about elementalists dealing lots of damage, and the in game training tells people about elementalists dealing damage, and you put a bunch of spells in the game that serve no purpose other than to deal damage, then the profession had damn well better be able to deal damage.

Peace,
-CxE

1) Thanx undivine, your doing a good job holding off the masses

2)This isnt even a point. Seriously, listen to yourself talk. WHAT are the main points of the defendant, blinding and MULTIPLE hexes. NO DUH (refrains) an ele doesnt do the same dps with a wand than a sharp metal object, WTF did u expect!?!?!?!?!? *breathes* comparing them, A TANK and an ELE are different classes. CAN ANY caster outdamage a war without using ANY SKILLS??? NO! i swear your not listening, at all.

3) Forget Spam spells. NOW. They suck, dont even TRY to compare to a sharp metal object of your choice. (i dont count lightning strike as a spam btw).

4) Just up all ele spell by like 50% and itd fix so many problems.....


Aw man, i wish i had gotten back to this thread earlier, SO many mistakes with what people are saying. When you play an ele for a year, like me, in PVP + PVE, you realize whats effective and whats not. AOE nerf, good idea IMO. And my first char = ele. I dont mind it. Have the spells that do DoT AoE arent worth it. I gave up on Fire magic a long time ago. Water and Earth are damage + support, all for the low cost of energy. REALLY.

Ele/A Earth
Shockwave {E}
Crystal Wave
Tenai's Crystals
Obsidian Flame
Deaths Charge
Earth Attunement/Armor of Earth
Ward Against Melee/Foes
Rez

Simple, good spike of over 300 damage, kill em with an obby flame or 2.

Ele/Necro

Shatterstone {E} OR Weaken Knees {E}
Ice Spikes
Shard Storm/Blurred Vision
Icy Prism (the signet interupt one)
Soul Barbs
Parasitic Bond/Incidous Parasite
----curses spell----blurred vision----Ice prison
Rez Sig

Also simple and does some OK damage, but its mainly a war shutdown.

Hmm... exhaustion spells: 1, 0. Spells more than 15e? Uh, no. Skills doing more than 100 damage a hit? 5... Dot 100+? 2... These are two builds i personally think are great.

ps: Meteor Shower, is one, if not worse, ele spell i have ever seen. Meteor is SO much more versatile and usefull.

My suggestions:

Meteor Shower: 25e, 1s, 45r
Hit for for (119) fire damage and KD them for 1 second. After the initial cast, for 2 seconds you recast meteor shower for no energy and hit target for (119) fire damage. You do this 1...4(5) times.

Post if you want me to explain better...

Ice spikes, deep freeze, blurred vision, maelstorm, blinding flash, enervating charge, gale, shock, glimmering mark, meteor, meteor shower ....

There's a reason fire doesn't include many support skills - fire is primarily a damage attribute and includes more damage AoE spells than the others, what you're asking for is an overpowered "all in one" element.

Calling eles a support class is interesting, it reveals that the poster believes the metagame is between the monks, warriors and mesmers while eles, necros and rangers are along for the ride.

I'm very sorry to say this, but i doubt half the people arguing for a war have never tried a DECENT ele build. Fire doesnt count. at all. just wipe it from ur memory and look at some water hexing builds. Or earth spike support. Even some air spells are really worth it (Gust {E} is one of my new fav skills).

I quit my pve ele for a couple reasons


1 he started to look like crap... i mean male aeromancer armor = batman in san francisco

2 energy storage seems cool, but once you use your energy you = screwed i didnt cap either prodigy yet...

3 if you are " the master of elements" than why can't you just summon a ring of fire around the enemy and smoke them to death

4 a lot of their skills may be cast in a certian time, but they don't actually activate that time

I think elemantalist should be one of the strongest damage classes, it should be feared enough that they will beat the junk outta us the first time a sin or something sees us. They should live in fear

Well everyone defending elementalists are saying that kiting is the best way to avoid damage. Kiting = moving = criticals. besides...60 AL = 100% damage. The 42 armor ignoring damage could very well hit armor, it wouldnt matter.