Im a member of PCGame forums and i just read a thread that linked me to this site
http://www.arenanet.beeplog.com/
It could be BS but it looks dodgy i think
Guild Wars additional fees?
Charqus
MustumArden
There is zero new news in that article. There are, however, some terrible leaps of logic.
A typical MMO that is $15 a month also has about two expansions a year. They are smaller than Factions and cost $30. Do the math. 12 * $15 + 2 * $30 = $240. Guild Wars has two $50 expansions that can also be played stand-alone. 2 * $50 = $100. It's not even remotely close.
In those other MMOs, there is no opportunity to buy more character slots without buying a second account, so $10 versus no option at all seems pretty good to me.
A typical MMO that is $15 a month also has about two expansions a year. They are smaller than Factions and cost $30. Do the math. 12 * $15 + 2 * $30 = $240. Guild Wars has two $50 expansions that can also be played stand-alone. 2 * $50 = $100. It's not even remotely close.
In those other MMOs, there is no opportunity to buy more character slots without buying a second account, so $10 versus no option at all seems pretty good to me.
michaeldt
This site has been posted before. It's probably just some disgruntled fan looking for attention. Seriously, was anything in his latest article new AND factual? He makes a lot of speculation with no proof to back it up. And the things he does mention, like paying for slots, he twists in a negative way.
I mean come on, I knew from day one that Anet were planning on having expansions every 6 months. Nothing new there. What the "writer" doesn't mention is that unlike other pay-to-play games, if you don't buy the next expansion, you can still continue to play the rest of the game as long as you like without paying anything further to Anet.
This bit is my best: "...and will likely require you to purchase additional character slots..."
Any proof? Nah. It's easier to write junk anonymously without providing proof....
I mean come on, I knew from day one that Anet were planning on having expansions every 6 months. Nothing new there. What the "writer" doesn't mention is that unlike other pay-to-play games, if you don't buy the next expansion, you can still continue to play the rest of the game as long as you like without paying anything further to Anet.
This bit is my best: "...and will likely require you to purchase additional character slots..."
Any proof? Nah. It's easier to write junk anonymously without providing proof....
Kaguya
A lot of hate in one site 
I myself was one of the peeps running the "come on, give us more chara slots, we'll even pay for them"-campaign on the suggestions forum at one point, and I'm really glad they implemented it. Like people weren't buying additional accounts already at that point to get more charslots, paying even more than the new 'buy only slots'-theme costs
I myself was one of the peeps running the "come on, give us more chara slots, we'll even pay for them"-campaign on the suggestions forum at one point, and I'm really glad they implemented it. Like people weren't buying additional accounts already at that point to get more charslots, paying even more than the new 'buy only slots'-theme costs
Tarun
Hey look it's that mad WoW fanboy's online diary!
Fossa
Fun read 
I just love this one
How devious, how staggering. The GW community is shocked 
I just love this one
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GranDeWun
I staggered, and spilled some of my $4 coffee....
Red
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In those other MMOs, there is no opportunity to buy more character slots without buying a second account, so $10 versus no option at all seems pretty good to me.
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"OMFG HIDDEN FEES" my tail. I <3 ANet's move here; it is proof positive that they still work to stay in touch with their customer base. Huzzah.
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Former Ruling
Though it is just a ploy to aggetate the community, alot of the information is based on facts that some people don't see.
Facts that of course are taken out of proportion and logic for his proposes, but facts I think the community should be aware of.
One such fact is Anet's constant battle to keep MMORPG players interested in their game since on the RPG level Guild Wars is NOT traditonal and lacks features and content that are expected in MMOs (one of the reasons Anet can even do that no monthly fee thing).
Facts that of course are taken out of proportion and logic for his proposes, but facts I think the community should be aware of.
One such fact is Anet's constant battle to keep MMORPG players interested in their game since on the RPG level Guild Wars is NOT traditonal and lacks features and content that are expected in MMOs (one of the reasons Anet can even do that no monthly fee thing).
Unkillable Cat
Well I can tell you for certain that they cant legaly ever charge for Prophecies, and factions. Here in the UK trading standards would have thier balls on a plate because on the front of the box they clearly state that its online gaming with no fee's. So unless they suddenly decide to stop selling in europe they wont be charging a penny for the service.
Alex Weekes
There are absolutely no plans for any fees to play. Character slots are purely optional to the player, one-off payments and will remain that way - and, as already noted, they will be implemented because you all asked us to.
You'll be playing Guild Wars for free as long as the servers are running. You'll always have the option of buying new chapters. Additional non-campaign purchases, such as character slots, will be your choice as well.
You'll be playing Guild Wars for free as long as the servers are running. You'll always have the option of buying new chapters. Additional non-campaign purchases, such as character slots, will be your choice as well.
Mr_T_bot
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Originally Posted by MustumArden
There is zero new news in that article. There are, however, some terrible leaps of logic.
A typical MMO that is $15 a month also has about two expansions a year. They are smaller than Factions and cost $30. Do the math. 12 * $15 + 2 * $30 = $240. Guild Wars has two $50 expansions that can also be played stand-alone. 2 * $50 = $100. It's not even remotely close. In those other MMOs, there is no opportunity to buy more character slots without buying a second account, so $10 versus no option at all seems pretty good to me. |
Those games have more content, without expansions, than both Prophecies and Factions campaigns combined. There are multiple servers and on each server you can have over 10 characters, no less than 6, with a much longer game length thus keeping you focused on one char for a decent period of time.
Not to mention there is perfectly adequate storage capacity on both the person and "bank" storage for each character.
Trin Storm
He takes the wrong appraoch - Its not $100 a year for GW. THink like this, in April 2005 you paid $50 for GW. Thats it. All you need to do. Lets say you want to play guild wars the typical 3 years that MMOs run - $50 is the total you spent.
At the same time you bought WoW - and you wish to play it for 3 years - $50 for the game and 15*12*3 = $540 - total spent $590.
Say you bought an expansion for each game - GW total is now $100 and WoW total is now $620. People can doctor the numbers for yearly averages but when you stack up the total cost of ownership over the time played - GW will always win that one.
At the same time you bought WoW - and you wish to play it for 3 years - $50 for the game and 15*12*3 = $540 - total spent $590.
Say you bought an expansion for each game - GW total is now $100 and WoW total is now $620. People can doctor the numbers for yearly averages but when you stack up the total cost of ownership over the time played - GW will always win that one.
Phantoma
[/QUOTE]You'll be playing Guild Wars for free as long as the servers are running. You'll always have the option of buying new chapters. Additional non-campaign purchases, such as character slots, will be your choice as well.[/QUOTE]
Well, lets hope ALTER.NET gets that routing problem fixed soon!
Well, lets hope ALTER.NET gets that routing problem fixed soon!
KvanCetre
Somehow, more character slots = advantage in PvP.
More developed characters? Did he forget that you create PvP characters at level 20?
More developed characters? Did he forget that you create PvP characters at level 20?
Nominal_Fee
Gotta love all those flaming fanboys who think Anet is some form of non-profit organisation. The payable character slots are already there, you can't seriously think that this will be the end of those "additional features"...
CKaz
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Originally Posted by Alex Weekes
There are absolutely no plans for any fees to play. Character slots are purely optional to the player, one-off payments and will remain that way - and, as already noted, they will be implemented because you all asked us to.
You'll be playing Guild Wars for free as long as the servers are running. You'll always have the option of buying new chapters. Additional non-campaign purchases, such as character slots, will be your choice as well. |
Alex... storage??
Yeah some of us will buy back the character slots shaved off on linking.
Can we avoid having to buy many mules as well and get the xunlai agent storage back that was also shaved off? What happened to holiday storage, superior rune of holding for bags, hey how about a keyring? Seems this game is designed to make a mini-game of non-stop cleanup. And lack of real auction/trade options in game make it that much harder to unload them appropriately. Even D2:LoD expanded the storage, and I'll avoid talking about how many characters you could make there.
If there's one thing I'll need before going any further in GW it's to see something coming our way in that regard before chapter 3.
Considering I could put bags in storage *with things in it* in now old old EQ, this minigame is getting old.
And regarding getting what we asked for...
Well we asked you to leave in those slots but we got that 'x100%' where Canthans can't play missions before LA and Tyrians can't play Shing Jea Island missions, there's a division of VSquare (foreign, local) and other things that make it tougher to group up as you might like and achieve that 100%.
/shrug
Solvi
I lmao when people complain about a.net....deal with soe for awhile and tell me how bad a.net is.....Anyways...I personally love the idea of $10 char slots...and i dont personally think that i NEED factions or even the 10$ slots to stay competative or to continue to have fun but i will prob. buy some just to help ensure that a.net does make a profit and continues to prosper....they NEED to prosper and make money to keep the game going....it's not a free game people. but it is a hell of a lot beter than pay to play on a monthly basis...i did that for years with swg for myself and for my wife and i tell you 30 bucks a month sucks just to play a game.
generik
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Originally Posted by Alex Weekes
There are absolutely no plans for any fees to play. Character slots are purely optional to the player, one-off payments and will remain that way - and, as already noted, they will be implemented because you all asked us to.
You'll be playing Guild Wars for free as long as the servers are running. You'll always have the option of buying new chapters. Additional non-campaign purchases, such as character slots, will be your choice as well. |
Seriously that's really good news, I will like immediately purchase another 2-3 slots the minute that update is available.
Kaguya
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So.. we will eventually have the option to purchase additional slots?
Seriously that's really good news, I will like immediately purchase another 2-3 slots the minute that update is available. |
It has been on www.guildwars.com for quite a while, and there has been threads about it
Mimi Miyagi
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Somehow, more character slots = advantage in PvP.
More developed characters? Did he forget that you create PvP characters at level 20? |
Simply roll up a pve character, do all of the quests (or get run if you're lazy), do every quest that unlocks skills, and buy the rest. Any elites you need you can unlock via faction, if it's too much of a hassle to cap regularly.
I can make a fully developed character in less than a week or average play, with all needed runes, skills, etc that your typical build use, via mainly pve and perhaps a couple runs of gvg.
It's actually somewhat sad - the majority of skills in any particular profession are usually never used which makes creating a character with the most common skills laughably easy.
Miss Innocent
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Now back in reality...
Those games have more content, without expansions, than both Prophecies and Factions campaigns combined. There are multiple servers and on each server you can have over 10 characters, no less than 6, with a much longer game length thus keeping you focused on one char for a decent period of time. Not to mention there is perfectly adequate storage capacity on both the person and "bank" storage for each character. |
As for the article, it is again NOT a required fee. It is an option. One that I don't mind at all.
I want to point out that, for PvP characters, having more slots means nothing. You are able to quickly and painlessly remake PvP characters to no end, and letting players make 20 characters if they want means nothing. You can play a warrior one match, an Ele the next, an assassin next.... all you have to do is delete your character and remake it between each match.
This is a bonus that appeals to PvE players, who are more likely to say "I want to play an Assassin, but I already used all six slots for other classes".
Mr_Ms_Chunk
i could care less about paying $50 every six months or paying $10 for additional character slots. I'm sure Anet will provided additional character slots with each new profession just to keep it fair and if we want, we can purchase extras for $9.99. I am saving time and mony by buying an additional character slot for $9.99 since that account will be UAX rather than starting over from the beginning. Also you would need to buy a copy of prophecies and factions to have the benefits of both. Therefore the extra slots for $9.99 is beneficial for everyone unless you are broke and have no job but can somehow cover the cost of a $400 video card and complain about it paynig for an additional slot.
Kudos to Anet for giving us many options.
Kudos to Anet for giving us many options.
Miss Innocent
Looking at that article again, it seems like the author fails to understand that Arena net gives you two free slots just for buying the expansion (which happens to be the number of slots you need for an Assassin and a Ritualist).
Don Zardeone
I can make a site like that too:
"Hi, I'm an ex-employee of ANet and I'm here to tell you that Gaile said that you all smell!"
blah blah blah
There's no face on the articles. The author needs a face.
"Hi, I'm an ex-employee of ANet and I'm here to tell you that Gaile said that you all smell!"
blah blah blah
There's no face on the articles. The author needs a face.
Claudia Starlight
um, when is this going to happen? And... do i have to pay by credit card for this?
Hockster
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um, when is this going to happen? And... do i have to pay by credit card for this?
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milias
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Originally Posted by Alex Weekes
There are absolutely no plans for any fees to play. Character slots are purely optional to the player, one-off payments and will remain that way - and, as already noted, they will be implemented because you all asked us to.
You'll be playing Guild Wars for free as long as the servers are running. You'll always have the option of buying new chapters. Additional non-campaign purchases, such as character slots, will be your choice as well. |
Hockster
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Originally Posted by milias
Why is there then a clause in the EULA saying that ANet reserves the right to charge additional fees, which include monthly fees, in the future? If ANet truly intended to never charge monthly fees, why is this clause even there?
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xenoranger
Meh....no big (IMO). I was playing Phantasy Star Online at $7/mo and my wife plays World of Warcraft (as well as GW) for $13/mo. If you look at it, the GW method allows you to keep playing or choose to upgrade. It's not necessary to upgrade to keep playing your current version, so if you REALLY like factions, stay with it. If you want to get new content (besides the updates), then buy it. GW is still free after license purchase, so who really cares. I just figure ANet needed to do it at some point.
Besides, I only have 3 canthan necro elites left to cap before I have all necro skills (both cantha & tyria). I'm ready for new ground to arcane hunt on.
Besides, I only have 3 canthan necro elites left to cap before I have all necro skills (both cantha & tyria). I'm ready for new ground to arcane hunt on.
burai
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Originally Posted by milias
Why is there then a clause in the EULA saying that ANet reserves the right to charge additional fees, which include monthly fees, in the future? If ANet truly intended to never charge monthly fees, why is this clause even there?
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Anet legal: So what if we change our minds and want to start charging a fee?
Anet boffin: We won't
Anet legal: What if we do?
Anet boffin: We won't
Anet legal: We'll just pop a little clause in the EULA anyway - cos otherwise I'd be out of a job! (hhhhmmm, what about earthquakes, flood, fire? Hey - a job for life)
Legal types always cover all the angles - no matter how irrelevant.
... or of course it could be that they plan to introduce a fee
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I've only just read the article, and it does seem the author has some grievance with Anet.
Apparently it was written by 'Gaile'
The Doppleganger?
Beat_Go_Stick
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I staggered, and spilled some of my $4 coffee....
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RinkXing
Hasn't this argument being running since GW was released over a year ago?
I agree totally with xenoranger,
It's quite simple, if a monthly fee comes in, quit playing or pay to play, but untill then if it ever does happen (possibly the worst move for the game ever, as 75%+ of players would probably stop playing, so I seriously doubt it wouldn't happen) keep playing and enjoy the game, because I'm rather sure that there will never be a subscription fee.
Regarding the character slots and additional chapters, is anyone FORCING you to buy them? It's new content, buy if you want and buy to explore some new land, more weapons and more things to do, and the new slots were perfectly optional, as stated on the GW website, it's for those who want MORE character slots, not 'get it or die!!'
I sure will be continuing to buy additional chapters and continue to support arenanet, obviously they need to pay for their servers, and I believe I heard that the expansions would be partially used to pay the fees for those servers. Besides, I'd prefer to be paying fees for Expansions with whole new continents rather than each month for the occasional dungeon (Free Sorrows Furnace anyone?) in a patch I need to spend a load of time to download (I'm hinting at WoW here)
I agree totally with xenoranger,
It's quite simple, if a monthly fee comes in, quit playing or pay to play, but untill then if it ever does happen (possibly the worst move for the game ever, as 75%+ of players would probably stop playing, so I seriously doubt it wouldn't happen) keep playing and enjoy the game, because I'm rather sure that there will never be a subscription fee.
Regarding the character slots and additional chapters, is anyone FORCING you to buy them? It's new content, buy if you want and buy to explore some new land, more weapons and more things to do, and the new slots were perfectly optional, as stated on the GW website, it's for those who want MORE character slots, not 'get it or die!!'
I sure will be continuing to buy additional chapters and continue to support arenanet, obviously they need to pay for their servers, and I believe I heard that the expansions would be partially used to pay the fees for those servers. Besides, I'd prefer to be paying fees for Expansions with whole new continents rather than each month for the occasional dungeon (Free Sorrows Furnace anyone?) in a patch I need to spend a load of time to download (I'm hinting at WoW here)
Loviatar
the biggest selling point of the game is buy it and play it no monthly fee.i am supporting Anet by buying chapters (and will continue) to get chapters as i have had much fun from it.
monthly fee? i will leave instantly (with regret)
milias
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Because in many Asian countries there is a pay to play option for use in Internet Cafes.
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Loviatar
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Originally Posted by milias
Yea, so? Let me rephrase that question. Why is there such a clause in the EULA for a game that I bought in America? By your line of reasoning, ANet/NCSoft is too lazy to make different EULA's for different regions/countries?
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yes clueless they do have one standard company wide EULA and this was explained by the reps as having to cover many countries (they are multinational you know) including asian fee/hour use.not lazy but efficient and not having one clause conflict with another from another country.
CLEAR NOW?
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AFTER ALL IT IS ONE GAME WORLDWIDE SO ONE EULA
The Lich Ranger
lol so many people complaining about something that isnt even a mandatory thing, this is an OPTION, you can stay in tyria with 4 characters, it doesnt affect us
Andy_M
You pay 4 bucks (about £2.50 in real money) for a coffee ?
Can I have your stuff ?
Can I have your stuff ?
Ure Maker
i heard this was aload of bs, from some1 who had there account banned,
BUT..
if anet did release a pay monthly subscription well they would sink
many people play GW caus they dont like monthly fee's like WoW
i play GW caus well i h8 WoW i like a tad more realism
so wats the point in all the people who play GW caus there is no subsription when they can pay the same price and play a game they wanted like WoW, EQ and so on
BUT..
if anet did release a pay monthly subscription well they would sink
many people play GW caus they dont like monthly fee's like WoW
i play GW caus well i h8 WoW i like a tad more realism
so wats the point in all the people who play GW caus there is no subsription when they can pay the same price and play a game they wanted like WoW, EQ and so on
Olfin Bedwere
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Originally Posted by RinkXing
Hasn't this argument being running since GW was released over a year ago?
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