Hello! I am sure i'm gonna get a crapload of flame for this but here i go anyways. I love this game, pvp, pve, gvg everything, i always have and i always will. This is just a stupid rant about stuff. I am in xoo ladder and have been doig the elite missions lately. Now normally i wouldnt care about chests dropping purples in normal areas, but this is the elite area. I have done 3 runs since it opened, the first run 5 chests, 5 golds. nice! the 2nd run 3 chests 2 gold, ok fine. this last run i went on there were 5 chests, 4 of which were purple chests. This is insane. 1.5k per key and you cant even get a lousy gold outta the chest. i could understand 1 or 2 purples, but 4?? come on. How can a chest that appears only a couple times a day be nerfed already? Think about it. There are maybe 10-15 groups that go off a day when we hold the town. so thats only 50-75 chests a day. compare that to say a kurzick chest which prolly spawns a million times a day. argh.
on another note, the elite missions are NOT worth all the attention they are getting. it takes 4 hours to get to the last guy, and during that time the monsters drop no max dmg or gold items. the only good things come from chests, which were obviously nerfed. ok then, let the flames begin! /endrant
Elite mission chests already nerfed....:(
reverse_oreo
Loralai
No flames from me, I just have to take your word for it, as I haven't had the chance to check them out for myself.
Lexar
If they're not worth all the attention, it's even more silly to exclude it from possibly over a million players.
chessyang
wow haven't tired these missons yet but that sucks to know. i get better drops in doing duel house farming (from what your post says).
oh well it must be fun to "play" the misson the first few times then get old.
oh well it must be fun to "play" the misson the first few times then get old.
Mysterial
One run where you got a bunch of purple items, so you conclude that the chests are nerfed. Please. If that's the only thing is this game you have to whine about, you should be pretty happy.
shadowfell
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Hello! I am sure i'm gonna get a crapload of flame for this but here i go anyways. I love this game, pvp, pve, gvg everything, i always have and i always will. This is just a stupid rant about stuff. I am in xoo ladder and have been doig the elite missions lately. Now normally i wouldnt care about chests dropping purples in normal areas, but this is the elite area. I have done 3 runs since it opened, the first run 5 chests, 5 golds. nice! the 2nd run 3 chests 2 gold, ok fine. this last run i went on there were 5 chests, 4 of which were purple chests. This is insane. 1.5k per key and you cant even get a lousy gold outta the chest. i could understand 1 or 2 purples, but 4?? come on. How can a chest that appears only a couple times a day be nerfed already? Think about it. There are maybe 10-15 groups that go off a day when we hold the town. so thats only 50-75 chests a day. compare that to say a kurzick chest which prolly spawns a million times a day. argh.
on another note, the elite missions are NOT worth all the attention they are getting. it takes 4 hours to get to the last guy, and during that time the monsters drop no max dmg or gold items. the only good things come from chests, which were obviously nerfed. ok then, let the flames begin! /endrant |
I can't believe you are surprised by this. You do know that a certain group of guilds is core farming that area 24/-7 right? Just because we can't see them when we hold, doesn't mean they're not there.
Just like everywhere else at first, even the chests around KC were nice, with some awesome drops. Now they are all purple junk and non max golds at best. Farmers and chest runners move in, and all the good goes away. It happens everywhere and the EM, which was always treated as a gold mine, instead of an actual challenge of skill by most anyhow.. is not an exception. Quite frankly, I'm sick of seeing "ZOMG WTS ZODIAC EVERYTHING" every second, if not every post in high end anyhow.
NinjaKai
Only a very small portion of us can ever actually get access to the elite missions. Just sucks to be those who have the elite missions. All their dredging for nothing. XD
reverse_oreo
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I can't believe you are surprised by this. You do know that a certain group of guilds is core farming that area 24/-7 right? Just because we can't see them when we hold, doesn't mean they're not there.
Just like everywhere else at first, even the chests around KC were nice, with some awesome drops. Now they are all purple junk and non max golds at best. Farmers and chest runners move in, and all the good goes away. It happens everywhere and the EM, which was always treated as a gold mine, instead of an actual challenge of skill by most anyhow.. is not an exception. Quite frankly, I'm sick of seeing "ZOMG WTS ZODIAC EVERYTHING" every second, if not every post in high end anyhow. |
reverse_oreo
no problem man, im just telling it like it is. people need to stop complaining about this waste of time mission. go do something more worth your time, like hoh. i can say im done with the missions. and the 3 missions i did were all about a week apart. its not like i did one then another then another. oh and thanks letting me know im not a "real player" i must be a henchie 
OH another thing. I did NOT do all 3 runs with the same character, i did it with 3 different ones. thx 
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-Mercury Angel]
OH another thing. I did NOT do all 3 runs with the same character, i did it with 3 different ones. thx [Edit: Reference to deleted quote removed
-Mercury Angel]
MelechRic
Well I've noticed this myself in other areas of the game. The more times I visit an area for its chests the lower the drop quality becomes from those chests. When I did dragon misison (Waking Waters?) with henchies and then 2 more times with groups the drops from chests were all gold with great mods. I got 15^50 plagueborn daggers and some other nice golds. Thinking this was a good place to do chest runs I went back a lot. Now the only thing that drops for me are purples. I really do think there's some anti-chest farming code at play here. However, as with all other players I don't have a great statistical sampling here.
It may be that I'm just on the wrong side of the random number generator. I have a feeling that's not the case. I'm guessing that the randomness is weighted by how many times you enter an area and open the chests there.
It may be that I'm just on the wrong side of the random number generator. I have a feeling that's not the case. I'm guessing that the randomness is weighted by how many times you enter an area and open the chests there.
Jagflame
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Lexar
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Oh my god. Are you serious? So when they are hyped, people say they should get in because they want access to great areas, then when they aren't they say they should get in because it's not good enough to be "elite". What kind of crap is that?
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Mr_T_bot
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No flames from me, I just have to take your word for it, as I haven't had the chance to check them out for myself.
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I think only Arena Net could have topped the high-end PvE area restrictions they created in Prophecies.
FoxBat
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Just the fireworks or the discount at shops isn't good enough motivation.
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People on both sides keep forgetting: this isn't about how hard players collective work for it. It's how hard the best alliance needs to work in comparison with other players. Everyone trying hard desperately to get in just means more grind for the top dogs, most people not caring simply means less.
Don Zardeone
This elite map is just what it says, an elite map.
You have to be somewhat elite to finish it (read: not stupid). The end reward is a stinky bow. It's more of a throphy than a bow.
"Check it out, I beat the leet mission, I'm leet *show bow*"
The monsters are ugly, boring and too numerous. The place is dark and smelly.
Of all the people that have been brought into that mission, maybe 0.01% stayed in there to "exploit the huge rewards"
I'm selling perfect zodiac staves that should have been worth 100k+ for as low as 10k now X.x
This thing is just another THK with 100* more monsters at lvl 28 without bosses.
You have to be somewhat elite to finish it (read: not stupid). The end reward is a stinky bow. It's more of a throphy than a bow.
"Check it out, I beat the leet mission, I'm leet *show bow*"
The monsters are ugly, boring and too numerous. The place is dark and smelly.
Of all the people that have been brought into that mission, maybe 0.01% stayed in there to "exploit the huge rewards"
I'm selling perfect zodiac staves that should have been worth 100k+ for as low as 10k now X.x
This thing is just another THK with 100* more monsters at lvl 28 without bosses.
mtm
OK the game has several aspects and the things that bother me are only: relating the ingame items/titles to real money (buying or selling), botting, scamming,mistreating other players. Other than that, everyone is free to play the game as they want, they can farm the same area 100000 times, do trade only, do pvp only, do chest runs only.
Are you sure the chests drops have indeed diminished? 3 chests don't exactly make a statistic, we would need a much larger sample. Even 100 chests don't make a good statistic, but I think judging just by 3 you're rushing into conclusions. The word "nerf" is being used too often, and apart from that, the impact to the economy would anyway be the same: If every chest in the elites was dropping a perfect rare, soon prices would go down (they wouldn't go for 5k each, but still eventually...). Look what happens to Tombs greens: You have the best sword in game dropping there that ended up costing 8k because there's simply too many of them around.
I understand your frustration but I would wait a bit to see if it is so.
Are you sure the chests drops have indeed diminished? 3 chests don't exactly make a statistic, we would need a much larger sample. Even 100 chests don't make a good statistic, but I think judging just by 3 you're rushing into conclusions. The word "nerf" is being used too often, and apart from that, the impact to the economy would anyway be the same: If every chest in the elites was dropping a perfect rare, soon prices would go down (they wouldn't go for 5k each, but still eventually...). Look what happens to Tombs greens: You have the best sword in game dropping there that ended up costing 8k because there's simply too many of them around.
I understand your frustration but I would wait a bit to see if it is so.
MelechRic
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This elite map is just what it says, an elite map.
You have to be somewhat elite to finish it (read: not stupid). The end reward is a stinky bow. It's more of a throphy than a bow. "Check it out, I beat the leet mission, I'm leet *show bow*" The monsters are ugly, boring and too numerous. The place is dark and smelly. Of all the people that have been brought into that mission, maybe 0.01% stayed in there to "exploit the huge rewards" I'm selling perfect zodiac staves that should have been worth 100k+ for as low as 10k now X.x This thing is just another THK with 100* more monsters at lvl 28 without bosses. |
Now I hear from people that have been in the mission that it isn't all that great and the drops are getting progressively lousy.
Then there's the crowd of PvP players that is none too happy with the whole PvE focus of Factions.
I'm starting to suspect that for the hard-core players (PvE/PvP) that Factions misses the mark in quite a few areas. Hopefully the casual/non-hard-core don't feel the same or the Guild Wars franchise is in trouble.
ignis
I've noticed this meself. when XoO first took over HzH we went on a test run and out of 7 chests we had 6 were gold. the next day there was an update and not only did anet REDUCE the number of chests (we went the same way and only had 3 chests), but the chests themselves sucked. out of 3 chests, 2 were purple. all that makes chests' presence in Urgoz kinda useless considering the price you have to pay for them keys
edit: I also have to say that the reduction fo gold chests doesn't do anyone any good. first of all, this will lead to the loss of interest in elite missions since good stuff drops so unbelievably rarely, and the time it takes to get to Urgoz for them bows is too much for your usual pve'er. second, the price of them zodiac items will increase, which is only good for those very very few that actually get a good drop down there.
edit: I also have to say that the reduction fo gold chests doesn't do anyone any good. first of all, this will lead to the loss of interest in elite missions since good stuff drops so unbelievably rarely, and the time it takes to get to Urgoz for them bows is too much for your usual pve'er. second, the price of them zodiac items will increase, which is only good for those very very few that actually get a good drop down there.
dargon
Ignis, please remember that not just the contents of the chest is random, but the appearance of and placement of is aswell. Having 7 chests 1 day and 3 the next is pure coincidence.
dansamy
What pisses me off is the fact that after slogging through ridiculously insane amounts of monsters, the chests (keys for which cost 1.5k) dropped purple crap that's neither usable or sellable. I spent four effing hours down there. If it's supposed to be elite, then you should come out of it with an elite reward.
GloryFox
Oh how sad... I mean I really feel sorry for XoO and the lack of GOLD items to sell. Considering there are all kinds of people (90% game base)who actually would like to play the Elite missions not for GOLD but for entertainment.
No sympathy here
No sympathy here
dansamy
I do play it for entertainment, but at the same time a part of that entertainment is the reward of having something nice in return for hours of work. I haven't sold even a third of the stuff I've gotten down there. Some has gone to guildies, some to friends and I've found use for some. Have I sold some of it? Yes. But go look at my sell thread. It's not in the "high end". I have no ridiculous "reserve price". I don't even post a s/b or b/o. I simply let it go. If people are interested in an item, they'll bid on it. I even stop the bidding and close an item if I feel the price has gotten too high and the bidders are "overpaying" just for the skin. My point is simply this: an "elite mission" should have "elite drops". I don't expect every monster I sneeze at to drop a gold, but for 4 hours of slogging through, I should come out with a couple perfect golds that even if I can't use them, someone else might be able to.
Omega X
Heh, now this is really Ironic. First no one but "elite" can get in. Now the "elite" can't even get good drops there. Nicely done once again Anet.
reverse_oreo
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Oh how sad... I mean I really feel sorry for XoO and the lack of GOLD items to sell. Considering there are all kinds of people (90% game base)who actually would like to play the Elite missions not for GOLD but for entertainment.
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Dont forget that Chance does not have to be fair. For example, there is a difference between 1 out of every 5 chests being a gold, or 20% chance being a gold. they didnt had to be nerfed for this result.
Cash
i personally believe there is a sort of anti-farming code for chests. ive been running witmans folly and talus chute (and snakes dance to a lesser degree) for the treasure hunter title. this morning, after having taken lots of time off finishing the protector of tyria title, my witmans runs consisted of 7 rares in a row for the first few runs (i usually see 2 to 3 chests without going too far into shadows territory), a rare and a grape for the next few runs, and then (you guessed it) purples in both for the last few before i got bored.
i dont have any statistics to back this up and im not about to keep track of everything i get, but this isnt the first time or place ive had this happen. it seems when i chest run then zone a few times, the drops get worse. STATISTICALLY speaking, this shouldnt happen- if gold should drop 1/5 to 1/3 of the time, then the first few drops shouldnt ALL be gold.
of course, this all may be luck. but it has made me reconsider how many chest runs ill do at a time. now ill do 15-20 runs and go cap a skill or farm something for a while before continuing.
so i guess the point is: if people are repeatedly doing these elite missions and my speculation is correct, that would explain why the so-called "elite" drops are getting worse.
i dont have any statistics to back this up and im not about to keep track of everything i get, but this isnt the first time or place ive had this happen. it seems when i chest run then zone a few times, the drops get worse. STATISTICALLY speaking, this shouldnt happen- if gold should drop 1/5 to 1/3 of the time, then the first few drops shouldnt ALL be gold.
of course, this all may be luck. but it has made me reconsider how many chest runs ill do at a time. now ill do 15-20 runs and go cap a skill or farm something for a while before continuing.
so i guess the point is: if people are repeatedly doing these elite missions and my speculation is correct, that would explain why the so-called "elite" drops are getting worse.
Tortoise
Imo it is a bit unsensitive to come complaining about sucky drops in the elite mission when one of the biggest gripes of the community is the inability to get in. Though I will not flame the OP but I do think these complaints are rather poor taste.
Anyway, Anet never promised 'godly' drops in the Elite missions. I was even surprised when it became apparent the elite missions had unique skins. Though I can understand people want some nice goodies to show for all their hard work it would be rather silly if you got 4 perfect golds from a four hour trip... That would basicly mean the elite mission are by far the 'hottest' money earning zone in the game.
Yes, the elite missions are probably very cool and all, but if they were given 'super' loot the Alliance system would be skewed even mored then it already is.
and @Reverse Oreo:
You totally missed the point. Some people would welcome the challenge to beat them. Slaughtering those hundred of monsters would be their idea of fun. Though you might not have the same opinion the fact still stays the same. Tyou and some other 'happy few' have access to them 24/7 is completely irrelevant. It is a bummer you're bored with them already but plz don't tell others what they should find entertaining. Right now, even the entertainment from a first run is denied to a lot of people.
Anyway, Anet never promised 'godly' drops in the Elite missions. I was even surprised when it became apparent the elite missions had unique skins. Though I can understand people want some nice goodies to show for all their hard work it would be rather silly if you got 4 perfect golds from a four hour trip... That would basicly mean the elite mission are by far the 'hottest' money earning zone in the game.
Yes, the elite missions are probably very cool and all, but if they were given 'super' loot the Alliance system would be skewed even mored then it already is.
and @Reverse Oreo:
You totally missed the point. Some people would welcome the challenge to beat them. Slaughtering those hundred of monsters would be their idea of fun. Though you might not have the same opinion the fact still stays the same. Tyou and some other 'happy few' have access to them 24/7 is completely irrelevant. It is a bummer you're bored with them already but plz don't tell others what they should find entertaining. Right now, even the entertainment from a first run is denied to a lot of people.
heaven
It just like the old FOW. I did a lot of chest runs and sometime we got 4 or 5 purple chests in a row. Sometime, all the chests are purple. We all know that FOW chests are the best in game, normally they are gold. So it is just bad luck.
shadowfell
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The thing is, when we lost house before, i stayed in urgoz warren with one of my chars. i joined and just watched every couple hours or so. there was barely anyone in there ever. with xoo, no matter what time you go, there are normally 2 groups going. i just dont see other alliances doing it thats all. im sure there are people just farming the crap out of it, but thats one or 2 groups. i dont konw, i think the elite mission should be open for everyone, because it is honestly a waste of time.
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Oldmantime
I'm not going to waste my time reading all this thread, i mean, seriously, that's all you have to complain about? "OH NOES, TEH BAD CHESTS"?
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I'm not going to waste my time reading all this thread, i mean, seriously, that's all you have to complain about? "OH NOES, TEH BAD CHESTS"?
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reverse_oreo
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Imo it is a bit unsensitive to come complaining about sucky drops in the elite mission when one of the biggest gripes of the community is the inability to get in. Though I will not flame the OP but I do think these complaints are rather poor taste.
Anyway, Anet never promised 'godly' drops in the Elite missions. I was even surprised when it became apparent the elite missions had unique skins. Though I can understand people want some nice goodies to show for all their hard work it would be rather silly if you got 4 perfect golds from a four hour trip... That would basicly mean the elite mission are by far the 'hottest' money earning zone in the game. Yes, the elite missions are probably very cool and all, but if they were given 'super' loot the Alliance system would be skewed even mored then it already is. and @Reverse Oreo: You totally missed the point. Some people would welcome the challenge to beat them. Slaughtering those hundred of monsters would be their idea of fun. Though you might not have the same opinion the fact still stays the same. Tyou and some other 'happy few' have access to them 24/7 is completely irrelevant. It is a bummer you're bored with them already but plz don't tell others what they should find entertaining. Right now, even the entertainment from a first run is denied to a lot of people. |
Oldmantime
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i never said they had to be perfect golds, just make them golds so we can get our hopes up :P 95% of the golds that drop down there are crap anyways, so why not just make them all golds with the occasional purple, not all puprles with the occasional gold :P
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widowdaballa
And did you realize elite missions are not for just anybody? Working hard to get access to EM shouldn't be rewarded with full purple chests. I can understands the OP's complaint. I haven't been able to play any elite missions myself, but I know that I wouldn't like to open a bunch of chests to get a bunch of grapes. Like oreo said, they don't have to be MAX gold, just the reward of getting a few golds for all the monsters you have to fight through in order to get to the chests is the work, or entertainment as some put it.
Red Locust
It's random, isn't it? Meaning sometimes you get unlucky. If you keep getting 4/5 purple chests day after day, then you might have reason for concern.
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And did you realize elite missions are not for just anybody? Working hard to get access to EM shouldn't be rewarded with full purple chests. I can understands the OP's complaint. I haven't been able to play any elite missions myself, but I know that I wouldn't like to open a bunch of chests to get a bunch of grapes. Like oreo said, they don't have to be MAX gold, just the reward of getting a few golds for all the monsters you have to fight through in order to get to the chests is the work, or entertainment as some put it.
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on top of that the decay can just be explained as hitting the farmingcode or it being random.
Demonyk
Basically, I have no sympathy for you whatsoever.
I don't say this out of jealousy as I don't really PvE all that much anyway (And quite frankly, don't care), I just find it distasteful how apparently hypocritical Anet seem to be atm as to their goals for the game, and the actual reality of the game itself.
I don't say this out of jealousy as I don't really PvE all that much anyway (And quite frankly, don't care), I just find it distasteful how apparently hypocritical Anet seem to be atm as to their goals for the game, and the actual reality of the game itself.
Zaxan Razor
well, firstly, chests are random.
Secondly, there is some anti-farming code applied to chests.
thirdly, you really shouldnt complain, seeing as 99% of the player base can't get access to these missions.
Secondly, there is some anti-farming code applied to chests.
thirdly, you really shouldnt complain, seeing as 99% of the player base can't get access to these missions.
Hockster
They're not nerfed. That's just the drop fatigue activating. More players means less chance of a good drop. It's not like this is shocking news, or something that hasn't been resent in the game since day one.
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i personally believe there is a sort of anti-farming code for chests. ive been running witmans folly and talus chute (and snakes dance to a lesser degree) for the treasure hunter title. this morning, after having taken lots of time off finishing the protector of tyria title, my witmans runs consisted of 7 rares in a row for the first few runs (i usually see 2 to 3 chests without going too far into shadows territory), a rare and a grape for the next few runs, and then (you guessed it) purples in both for the last few before i got bored.
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It's almost like "something" gets written on your character once you've obtained a certain amount of good stuff. It may stay on there until the servers reset then it starts over, I don't know. None of it really bothers me though.