No Monthly Charge...ya BS, Read

Sup everyone Ive been play`n this game since day 1 and the only reason I play it was because there were no fees to play....but Anet has chaged this. Not in a way most would notice, for those of us with half a brain can see what theyre doing now....

Those who are still in the clouds, Ill break it down for you:

GW Release: $50
Year later comes Factions (said to be a $30 expansion): $50
**Collectors Edition JUSSSST HAPPENED TO BE very limited, and people who have (which i do) the collectors edition get a free green pet. Not ONLY that they gave everyone a 10 day grace period. This was all fine and dandy, but lets think back on this paragraph... CE HAPPENED TO BE VERY LIMITED, thus forcing players to buy the normal edition, and at a later date(said to be the end of June) LMAO, they would re-release the CE...thus the "hardcore" players dish out more cash....

Sad tactics Anet, im very displeased.

Now.... back to present day. Anet is delivering on thier promise of an expansion (stand-alone or not) every six months. Ya thats all well and good but guess what, its not free!
--- Before you all flame that you dont have to buy it to play older versions...then you just wasted your time reading this post and are oblivious, so dont bother posting ur bullsh^t. No one wants to be sitn around doing the same thing, the game as we all know is repetitive. So we all wait on and buy the expansion. Its NEW, thus we must have it.

We have to wait and see if the next expansion is $50 or $30 like they had originally anounced for Factions.

I feel gernerious so ill do the math for you:

GW+GWF= $107, for a year of game
Expansion every 6 monthscould be either) around $8 (if $50 for it) or around $5 bucks a month to play.
* so $60 or POSSIBLY $100 a year to play new material, and keep interest in the game...

Ill say this about Anet, they need to make money somehow, but deception is wrong. You see other games dishing out Expansions every 6 months? Cause i dont, once a year at most...

Repetative Game=Need for expansion, to keep interest in the game...thus: If they make it, FOR NOW we will buy.


Hope this has given some of ya'll insite. Thougt i'd share my thoughts, thanks for listening or not listening.

Peace
-=ill

Riiiiiight...

It's all a conspiracy!! Alien abductions! Dogs and cats living together! It's hysteria!!!

Back on a serious note.

They are a company. They need to make a profit. Do you honestly expect them to give us FREE expansions?

Of course there is going to be some breakdown and distribution of your money to pay for the severs/development/bug fixes, so of course it can be broken down into monthly "charges" if you will.

However, a problem with your issue is that you pay the $50, but then you don't pay another montly fee. Almost any other online game not only do you buy the game for full price, but you also pay a monthly charge. Not only that, but you are NOT stopped from playing GWP a year later, 2 years later, 3 years later - so break down your monthly charges to consider that. As long as their game servers are still up (with the current lag, the time is questionable ) you'll be able to play all "expansions."

If they didn't make cash off the expansions...you wouldn't be playing this game anymore. Because they would be bankrupt from giving out everything free.

OP makes baby Rurik cry.

Stop making baby Rurik cry, dang it! Can't you see you're tearing this family apart!
=P (sorry...couldn't resist)

WoW: (if they were to put out one expansion each year)

$30-50 (expansion or stand-alone?) + $15/month x 12 months = $210-230/year...



GW:

$50 stand-alone/expansion x 2/year = $100/year...



GW=Win...

You do not have to be purchasing the expansions. They exist to provide new content--at a price. It's not a crime to make a profit. Arena Net is attempting to (and I think actually doing) just that when they release games every six months. Factions was *supposed* to be a stand alone game. Whether or not it actually was is highly debateable and, I think, a matter of personal preference. Either way, you don't have to buy the expansions unless you want the content. No one is making you do it.

If you wanted to stick with just Prophecies, fine. If you wanted both games, fine. But there is no major conspiracy here to screw over the little guy. You can just say no and not buy the expansion. They won't cut off your playing in Prophecies if you do that.

I read through your ramblings and came to one conclusion. You are wrong. Nowhere did you "prove" that they have any form of monthly billing. Sure they have expansions and sure they charge money, but in no way is that a form of recurring monthly billing. You make little to no sense and come off as sounding like a "not so smart" fellow.

Releasing new chapters isn't a subscription, nor is releasing CEs. It'd be a subscription if we were all forced to buy both such things, but as that is not the case, it's not a subscription. Choice is the difference between these things.

since obviously in all that time you never bothered with the FAQ here is what they said about pricing as they never mentioned any 50,30, or other numbers

FROM THE FAQ DURING BETA (UNCHANGED TO THIS DAY)

You might want to vote on your own poll so it isn't 100% disagree.

Let me answer your question: Yes, i do see a certain game which got flamed much more than Factions, that is dishing out an expansion more than a year.

Why is it sad? You're the only one to have realized that, so isnt it a good tactic? Because even when you explained it to me, then i still dont understand

How can you even say there's a supposed "monthly fee". You get totally new content for more money which connects to your old content.

Take a "real" MMO...
Buy game.
Pay $15 a month for same content.
Buy expansion.
Still pay $15 a month for same content.

How is this equal?

If you don't like it, you don't have to buy it. Go play some other game.

There is no monthly charge for guild wars. You purchase the content which you want and then you can play it as much as you like without any further charges or fees.

Please don't argue that if you purchase all the expansions that in effect you are paying a monthly fee. While its true that you can take the cost of the original game and each expansion and arrive at a cost per month, there is still no getting away from the fact that once you have purchased the content you can play it as much as you like for as long as you like and you are not obligated to purchase additional content. If you are paying a monthly fee then you have to maintain those payments in order to continue playing the game. If you stop making payments you lose your account and you are no longer able to play the game. The two methods of paying for content are very much different.

If we are talking value for money then considering that the game cost me around £30 (which may be $50 or so) and the fact that I have spent over 3,300 playing the game over the last year then I would very much say that I have gotten my money's worth.

I don't think that you have provided any insight into the cost of guild wars as I believe the vast majority of players have already compared the cost of paying for the game in chunks to the cost of paying on a monthly basis. I think what you have provided here is just a rant.

Would someone clarify when the original GW was released? I know expansion was released 4/28. From what I recall I thought it was somewhere in middle of summer, say June. So if it was June, then you got 10 months for $50, rougly $5 a month, not bad.

Yes. Try not paying for a month or 5 on WoW....what happens?

Also, OP, this has been all stated before. the whole 50*2 = 100$ a year to play.

You know, there are actually MMORPG that are completely free. Go play one. See you back here in a week. If you can even put up with the server lag and minimal content for that long.

Or you can go buy a game that actually does charge a monthly fee. You will get no new content every 6 months for your monthly fee.

Take an offline RPG. It will have a sequel that will cost just as much as a sequel to GW. It will use the same game engine, much like the GW sequels will use the same engine.You will complete it in 2 weeks and then the 50 bucks you spent is for a coaster to put your drink on while you play GW again.

What you seem to be missing here is that you actually got a new game for your 50 bucks. And you did NOT pay a monothly fee, no matter how much you want to think you are being screwed.

Let me see if i'm fully understanding what the OP is getting at...

The OP wants an online game with no monthly fee.
Free updates.
Free Expansion packs.


Am I understanding this correctly?

I would gladly pay $100 a year for 2 stand alone expansions. Also...They are optional...meaning that this game has no monthly charge.....

There is no monthly charge for guild wars. You purchase the content which you want and then you can play it as much as you like without any further charges or fees.

Please don't argue that if you purchase all the expansions that in effect you are paying a monthly fee. While its true that you can take the cost of the original game and each expansion and arrive at a cost per month, there is still no getting away from the fact that once you have purchased the content you can play it as much as you like for as long as you like and you are not obligated to purchase additional content. If you are paying a monthly fee then you have to maintain those payments in order to continue playing the game. If you stop making payments you lose your account and you are no longer able to play the game. The two methods of paying for content are very much different.

If we are talking value for money then considering that the game cost me around £30 (which may be $50 or so) and the fact that I have spent over 3,300 playing the game over the last year then I would very much say that I have gotten my money's worth.

I don't think that you have provided any insight into the cost of guild wars as I believe the vast majority of players have already compared the cost of paying for the game in chunks to the cost of paying on a monthly basis. I think what you have provided here is just a rant.

prophecies was released 4/28/05, they purposely made factions come out 4/28/06 to be on the one year mark

I completely agree with Almighty, and this is the only way it makes sense to view it. Many games advertise their value as "X hours of play", and for me the 1st edition of GW gave me 1000+. That comes out to somewhere under $0.05 / hour. And if I decided to play more? That cost would keep decreasing.

*sigh*

1. If you don't send a cheque to Anet every month do they stop your account? No, you don't pay monthly, so therefore your title is wrong immediately.

2. If you do'nt buy an expansion, are you banned from the game or immediately useless? No, they're not necessary (except *maybe* for pvp, if you listen to some people). No one is forcing you to buy expansions.

Put it like this:
GW, 2 chapters per year at £30 = £60. Thats it. No CE, no extra char slots etc, base cost is £60.

Normal MMO: One game per year at £30 plus subscription (~£9 *12 = £108). This makes it £138 per year. Twice the price of guild wars.

Besides, using your reasoning I can complain any game is charging monthly. I've played Black and White since about 2002, thats around 48 months of play for £30... Damn you Lionhead Studios, you've been charging me £0.62 per month to play your game!

What about all the people been playing Diablo 2 and the expansion since it came out... man they must be really ticked, they must be paying about £0.30 every month...

Wow, some people will find anything to whine about.

This is a software product, of course they're going to charge an initial fee for research, marketing and development. Anet/NCSoft need to generate an income somehow, and their employees need to get paid, you know?

However, there is NO monthly fee, no matter how you warp and twist the expansion fees to fit your feeble point. There isn't even a requirement to purchase the expansions... That's a very far shot from required the monthly fees found in other MMOs.

Otherwise, it wouldn't be a Collector's Edition, would it? It's supposed to be very limited. However, due to demand, it's not as limited as it once was meant to be and they're pressing more copies as we speak.

I wouldn't say the "hardcore" players, just the impatient ones. Although, I did go ahead and pick up a normal copy just so I could get the shirt. Then it sat shrinkwrapped on my shelf in the bag with the receipt, so I could later exchange it for a CE. Patience, Grasshopper.

It wasn't a tactic. And as I read/heard, it was initially due to a production delay that the CEs didn't make it to the shelf at release. So it was out of ANet's hands.

Um...the "expansions" were never going to be free. It was known from the beginning that the subsequent chapters would be full-priced. Not sure where you got the $30 thing from.

So if you can provide any links, articles, quotes, anything of evidence for you claims in the OP, please do.

The main reason that people dont want monthly fees isn't even the money.

It's the whole credit card thing.

Look at Diablo II. It's expansion costed money too. The way this game works financially is very much like Diablo II.

I know of games that charge for the CD, and cost 20$ a month, and doesn't have 1/4 of the content, quality, graphics, and balance of GW.

My only complaint about GW is the huge increase of lag after factions came out.... When ch3 comes out, will the lag increase even more?

Hmm, im sure u didn't want that they would release free expansions? Ok they're a bit overpriced (imo, 50€ is too much), but people still buy it anyway.

this is not Anets servers but one of the big boys they go through (Alter.net )

read here

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3030662

ROFL @ this. This is some good shit.

I just have one thing ot say to him : Take a look at EQ......

A lot of work was put into making Factions. A lot of production. That much is obvious. And that costs money. Artistically Factions doesn't click with me like Prophecies does. But regardless of my favorite flavors, I was happy to pay for Factions. Think of it as a one time fee all you can play online gaming buffet. Help yourself to seconds and thirds.

If you want free, play Furcadia

I don't care who runs them... I play on the servers, and it lags. I want it stopped by any and all means necessary. I shouldnt have to tell my guild not to gvg today because of lag, that's sad.

And unless I heard wrong, we're getting a fullsize expansion (like factions) every YEAR, not 6 months. Every 6 months is just a large (free) update. Last years large update was sorrow's furnace.

So you wanted them to give us factions for free? And why would they lie to us about the factions delay... They get more money for bringing it out on time..... Sorry but i totally disagree.

My Point has been made,
Arkyn sei

I agree with the OP. I think the worgs in red silver one think that too much monies for giving good attack power to read all books in said school would be real neat since I'm 1337 and think that profit is bad for it keeps the common man or woman down and that is simply not fair as the dwarfs in the mountain have lost all respect for underwear since the trolls at certain forums need to come up with new complaints.

You heard wrong. The aim is to release a full-sized, standalone chapter every six months.

God... some people are so cheap.

"ZOMG I GOT TO PLAY THE GAME WITH NO MONTHLY FEES FOR A YEAR AND HALF THEY ARE RIPPING ME OFF! ZOMG x2 THEY ACTUALLY ASKED US TO PAY AGAIN FOR TWICE THE GAME! RIP OFF x2!!1"

Frankly GW's is one hell of a deal at $40-100 depending on what you bought for free play. Also like others have said, ANet is a company they kind of need this novelty called... money to make more content. And I'm glad to support that.

Uh... you don't even have to buy the expansions/standalone chapters to play GW. If you don't want to fork over $30-50 for a chapter every 6-8 months, you do not have to. Go and play the first chapter. No one's forcing you to buy another chapter. Compared to mmorpgs like WoW, you have to keep paying to keep playing.

Nice of you to insult us at the same time you're trying to get us to listen to your 'opinion'.

Nobody is forcing you to buy their product. So if you don't like it don't buy it and go play another game just like all the other people that whine.