I'm just wondering what everyone thinks/feels about the cost of having to buy skills. It never bothered me with Prophecies because you had a bunch of Skill Quests to make up the majority of your skill base. But with Factions not having Skill Quests (other than the few you get from the starting island) I have found that buying skills is becoming really hard on my money situation. Now, I’m speaking as a casual player that doesn’t get to farm for hours to make money. I’ve only once had just over 100k and I spent all that on the only set of 15k armor I have ever talked myself into buying.
I think there are other things in the game that should be taking your money, like weapons, armor, materials, runes, dyes, etc. I don’t think skills should be keeping you broke. I think it would be nicer to either 1: lower the cost of skills (perhaps to 500g each) or 2: make the quests in the game give better gold rewards.
What does everyone else think?
(PLEASE: keep on topic, flames, and stupid remarks will be ignored)
Is 1k a skill too much?
Weazzol
Goats17
/signed
I'm a casual player too, and most of my money goes to armoring all my alt chars. Help out A-Net.
I'm a casual player too, and most of my money goes to armoring all my alt chars. Help out A-Net.
dansamy
Yes, 1k/skill is way too much. If they're gonna give me a skill point as reward for the quest instead of giving me skills, then they should give me 1k to buy the skill with my skill point.
Phoenix Denfer
in brief....YES
I would like to earn the skill hunter title, but at 1K a pop for elite skill caps, I tend to choose carefully the elites I want.
Anet wanted to make more selection to use earlier, and I applaud that, but if they are still going to ramp to 1K per skill they are defeating the purpose.
There are plenty of gold sinks now with 15K armor, rare materials and lets us not forget the 8K black dye that never seems to drop anymore.
I would like to see them bring down the price of skills or at least of signet of captures that require you to hunt for and kill a boss to use it. Else they might as well sell them directly too.
I would like to earn the skill hunter title, but at 1K a pop for elite skill caps, I tend to choose carefully the elites I want.
Anet wanted to make more selection to use earlier, and I applaud that, but if they are still going to ramp to 1K per skill they are defeating the purpose.
There are plenty of gold sinks now with 15K armor, rare materials and lets us not forget the 8K black dye that never seems to drop anymore.
I would like to see them bring down the price of skills or at least of signet of captures that require you to hunt for and kill a boss to use it. Else they might as well sell them directly too.
Viruzzz
I rarely run out of money... I run out of skill points 
castanaveras
I feel sorry for those new players who only buy Factions. How will they make money to buy all those skills?
Weazzol
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I rarely run out of money... I run out of skill points
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Kitty
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I think one gets quite good rewards for quest and I make more money by just playing the game than in Prophecies, but it still gets quite expensive to by all skills of the primary profession, as I used to do in Prophecies. I don't want it to be a luxury to have a big collection of skills to choose from, that would only hurt the game.
I'm getting the Skillhunter Title for my Nekro, don't get me started, I don't want to know how much I will have to farm for it.
I think one gets quite good rewards for quest and I make more money by just playing the game than in Prophecies, but it still gets quite expensive to by all skills of the primary profession, as I used to do in Prophecies. I don't want it to be a luxury to have a big collection of skills to choose from, that would only hurt the game.
I'm getting the Skillhunter Title for my Nekro, don't get me started, I don't want to know how much I will have to farm for it.
Chillin-N-Killin
I am starting to think this game is not for the casual player I too only play like 5-8 hours a week (wife, kid and work suck all up my game time) and its a grind to get enough money for the AKA: l33t stuff (100k for a skill trainer?,100k for material trader plz a-net is killing the casual gamer). And now I have to buy all the new skills??? How is this not a grind game??? Farming codes, cant e-bay gold I like the game don’t get me wrong and no I don’t want all the stuff handed to me but 6 months to finish the game and get all the skills before the next chapter comes out . Not to mention you can't just go out and wander around like you could in the first game that was fun just to go and explore but now you can't do that. ok enough of my whinning sry.
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yes 1k is too much
. Not to mention you can't just go out and wander around like you could in the first game that was fun just to go and explore but now you can't do that. ok enough of my whinning sry./signed
yes 1k is too much
Viruzzz
sell the weapons you get from chests?
most things can be sold for quite a lot
in factions atleast. the tyrian chests still leaves a lot to be desired
most things can be sold for quite a lot
in factions atleast. the tyrian chests still leaves a lot to be desired
generik
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sell the weapons you get from chests?
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You see, money is vanishing from the economy faster than it is being created, this will in turn cause a great depression in Cantha!
Malice Black
1k is easily farmable but these so called "average" gamers dont farm..i dont think 1k is unfair because u dont need every skill to play the game
nxt u will be wanting to buy elite skills..
nxt u will be wanting to buy elite skills..
Rogmar
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sell the weapons you get from chests?
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Making an investment on keys with a chance to get purple isn't a smart idea either...
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1k is easily farmable but these so called "average" gamers dont farm..i dont think 1k is unfair because u dont need every skill to play the game
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And if I wanted to experiment with every skill in the game shouldn't I need every skill in the game? After all Guild Wars is about flexibility
Skill>Grind, not Grind=Skill
Age
Yes as I am saving my gold up for armor and holding off on buying skills and I still have some to cap in prophecies.1k is stretching your budget as I always ask myself if I really need it sure it means less unlocks but that is the point in the game.I would prefer skill quests as you get to try it out or unless they gave out more gold in quests like 1k and 1 skill point or 2k and 2 skill points equaling that of skill quests.
General Typhus
Ugh, Christ. I just spent around 300k unlocking every non elite for my warrior. It's really an insignificant amount if you're just buying a few.
Andy_M
If we had gotten a decent amount via skill quests like in Prophecies then 1k would be fine. But as there are no Canthan skill quests (bar when you get given them at the beginning) then yes it is expensive.
It's only an insignificant amount if you can afford it...
It's only an insignificant amount if you can afford it...
Cash
its not as bad as it seems. the 1k per may sound bad at first, but by the time youve done all the missions and you are FORCED to farm for skill points, its not that much money. by the time you get a skill point, in my experience youve already made MUCH more than 1k.
i recently completed the first level of skill hunter (getting any more is gonna be hard considering i dont have factions ). i farmed trolls when i ran out of skill points. between the drops, the salvaged materials, and the tusks (i sell em for 20per when im too lazy to run to merin myself), i ended up with more money than when i started. and let me point out that when the title patch hit, i had 10 capped, so thats 80k i spent on skills since then.
the true saving grace of the skill title is that elites now give 5k exp when capped at level 20. that makes things go much faster- its pretty much a "farm 3, get 4 skill points" scenario now.
anyway, i think the 1k per is fair. its a decent gold sink (consider how many times a day that 1k is spent!) which in all honesty, we need more of. 1k can be farmed in 15 minutes or so by pretty much anyone. and even for those who hate farming, 1k can easily be made in under 30 minutes of normal game play (just exploring and killing).
i recently completed the first level of skill hunter (getting any more is gonna be hard considering i dont have factions
). i farmed trolls when i ran out of skill points. between the drops, the salvaged materials, and the tusks (i sell em for 20per when im too lazy to run to merin myself), i ended up with more money than when i started. and let me point out that when the title patch hit, i had 10 capped, so thats 80k i spent on skills since then.the true saving grace of the skill title is that elites now give 5k exp when capped at level 20. that makes things go much faster- its pretty much a "farm 3, get 4 skill points" scenario now.
anyway, i think the 1k per is fair. its a decent gold sink (consider how many times a day that 1k is spent!) which in all honesty, we need more of. 1k can be farmed in 15 minutes or so by pretty much anyone. and even for those who hate farming, 1k can easily be made in under 30 minutes of normal game play (just exploring and killing).
Neriandal Freit
Yeah 1k is steep, but at that point you should have aquired so many skills where (even if your a casual player) you can make your self 1k for that new skill.
I think 1k perskill is reasonable. Even if it went to 2k I'd still think it's reasonable. Why? Cause your going to have kept that skill and have tha bility to use it over and over again WHILE making that NEW gold back.
I think 1k perskill is reasonable. Even if it went to 2k I'd still think it's reasonable. Why? Cause your going to have kept that skill and have tha bility to use it over and over again WHILE making that NEW gold back.
Arkantos
I think they should make it like this:
Buy 1 skill for say 1k
Next skill you buy (without closing skill window) Costs 200g less.
1st skill:1k
2nd:800g
3rd:600g
4th+:400g
Buy 1 skill for say 1k
Next skill you buy (without closing skill window) Costs 200g less.
1st skill:1k
2nd:800g
3rd:600g
4th+:400g
lg5000
in prophecies, by the time you capped an elite, you made the 1k for the cap sig. In factions, unless your boss is sitting right outside the door, you can make a decent amount of money while capping too.
Is 1k too much? Not really. Did we start prophecies with the ability to buy all skills? No, we were stuck with the presearing ones plus the ones from quests.
In factions, we get to choose which 8 skills we want, and just like in prophecies, getting all skills for your characters profession takes time, just this time, instead of having to beat thunderhead, you need to do quests/missions for money.
Also, skills don't start off being 1k, so new players can actually play the game without a disadvantage.
Now, lousy memory, but there are about 25 new skills for the core professions each, that's 25k for a tyrian character. A typical tyrian character getting to factions DOES NOT need more armor/weapons. Factions is designed with the most awsome set of collectors (and collector items drop nicely) for weapons of every type you can want and a lot more skins for bows.
All up, factions will give tyrian characters the choice of new armor/weapons or skills. Use your own judgment as to which is more important to you and which is a luxury.
Of course, my assassin is missing lots of skills due to lack of skill points/money at the time. He's a lvl15 and currently is not being played, so I'm not buying more skills for him.
Is 1k too much? Not really. Did we start prophecies with the ability to buy all skills? No, we were stuck with the presearing ones plus the ones from quests.
In factions, we get to choose which 8 skills we want, and just like in prophecies, getting all skills for your characters profession takes time, just this time, instead of having to beat thunderhead, you need to do quests/missions for money.
Also, skills don't start off being 1k, so new players can actually play the game without a disadvantage.
Now, lousy memory, but there are about 25 new skills for the core professions each, that's 25k for a tyrian character. A typical tyrian character getting to factions DOES NOT need more armor/weapons. Factions is designed with the most awsome set of collectors (and collector items drop nicely) for weapons of every type you can want and a lot more skins for bows.
All up, factions will give tyrian characters the choice of new armor/weapons or skills. Use your own judgment as to which is more important to you and which is a luxury.
Of course, my assassin is missing lots of skills due to lack of skill points/money at the time. He's a lvl15 and currently is not being played, so I'm not buying more skills for him.
Kha
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Heh, I have about 40 skill points, but no money to use them...wish I could sell you a few!
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Yes, 1k/skill is way too much. If they're gonna give me a skill point as reward for the quest instead of giving me skills, then they should give me 1k to buy the skill with my skill point.
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Mimi Miyagi
When you look at it as 1K for a skill, sure it's not that much money - but when you look at the entire skillset of well over 500 skills, that's a crapload of money, not to mention having to expend all that time farming for it, gaining skill points, etc.
There are just too many stupid money sinks in this game that the "average" player can't afford. Keys, Armor, Crafting Materials, Skills, Cap Sigs, Dwarven Ale, dyes, etc all add up to huge amounts of cash flow - and the game relies on the player economy too much to make sure that wealth is more venly distributed.
I'm not a poor player, but even with about 300K in the "bank" I still feel the pinch of all these skills that need to be paid for. I've resorted to only paying for skills as I gain money via normal play - that is, when I'm not having to buy keys for chests that rarely offer anything worthwhile.
There are just too many stupid money sinks in this game that the "average" player can't afford. Keys, Armor, Crafting Materials, Skills, Cap Sigs, Dwarven Ale, dyes, etc all add up to huge amounts of cash flow - and the game relies on the player economy too much to make sure that wealth is more venly distributed.
I'm not a poor player, but even with about 300K in the "bank" I still feel the pinch of all these skills that need to be paid for. I've resorted to only paying for skills as I gain money via normal play - that is, when I'm not having to buy keys for chests that rarely offer anything worthwhile.
Angel Develin
I think it should be cheaper to make another character. what if I delete 1 character, lets say warrior, and I make another warrior! the warrior skills I have allready unlocked should be cheaper for the second time.
lg5000
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I'm not a poor player, but even with about 300K in the "bank" I still feel the pinch of all these skills that need to be paid for. I've resorted to only paying for skills as I gain money via normal play - that is, when I'm not having to buy keys for chests that rarely offer anything worthwhile.
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I also rarely buy keys as keys rarely produce anything worth while, I'd rather spend that money on skills/weapons or armor (which, in itself, is a luxury item after you get 1 max armor set).
ERMC
it's just the way factions is set up. In chapter 1 quest gave you skills none do in chapter 2 once u leave the island. In chapter 1 you were even given 2 cap sigs for free (well when you did the quest) and not in chapter 2. The fact that buying all the line for your respected class (i do that for PvP because it is faster and cheaper then to earn the faction to unlock them IMO anyway) and the skills you want for your second and if you are like me you will switch second classes alot plus buying armor just the reg 1.5k versions and i myself carry more then 1 set of armor for my characters for different situations plus the cost of weapons if you are not lucky enough to get a good drop. Yes you can always get a collectors but then you would have to buy mods which cost alot. Runes of course and it all adds up. Chapter 2 characters already have alot to buy without the skills but when skills aren't quest rewards like chapter 1 it's alot more of a dent then it was in Tyria.
when i took my Tyrian characters over it wasn't to bad because they had plenty of money and skill points to get all they wanted (all three of my PvE characters have all skills for the main class including elites) Now i have a Rit that i made and the first thing i noticed is i can't sit there and hit buy buy buy to the skill trainer because my rit doesn't have 180+ skill points. At the current amount of gold i have 165k i can afford my rit but i can not make another chapter 2 character yet because i wouldn't have enough for both and 1 of them would have to sit and wait.
so yeah 1k is alot when you don't have quest reward skills, if skills were quest rewarded it would be alot better.
when i took my Tyrian characters over it wasn't to bad because they had plenty of money and skill points to get all they wanted (all three of my PvE characters have all skills for the main class including elites) Now i have a Rit that i made and the first thing i noticed is i can't sit there and hit buy buy buy to the skill trainer because my rit doesn't have 180+ skill points. At the current amount of gold i have 165k i can afford my rit but i can not make another chapter 2 character yet because i wouldn't have enough for both and 1 of them would have to sit and wait.
so yeah 1k is alot when you don't have quest reward skills, if skills were quest rewarded it would be alot better.
Sir Skullcrasher
1k per skills is too much for some. I mean, you can farm 1k or more if you found a good farming spot but peoples only buy those skills that is useful for them. Also conside that characters that is from Tyria who go across into Cantha, some of those skills that is availabe to buy has the same damage or conditions as the one in Tyria.
Quinn Falcon
I was never an avid player either, to me a great deal of enjoyment came from just making builds and putting them through their paces occasionally.
Now with my lack of accumulated play time and 6 skill hungry characters to feed, factions skill buying is seeming insurmountably expensive. To put it in perspective, I'm abnormally poor, if I ever found time to play guildwars in the past I would feel like I was wasting it if I ever tried to farm for more than 1 run and I've always despised player economies, again for feeling like wasted time and only seems enjoyable for the more materialistic personality, so I've never traded any items, though I've not found any valuable items worth 20k+ as far as I know.
So I guess it may be self inflicted in some way, however it is not being poor for the sake of being poor. I hoard any kind of drop that I get through normal play like a pack rat, even identifying the white items to get those extra pennies from the merchant. But the two more profitable alternatives bore me to tears and I couldn't bring myself to waste time for the sake of parts I do enjoy.
Now with my lack of accumulated play time and 6 skill hungry characters to feed, factions skill buying is seeming insurmountably expensive. To put it in perspective, I'm abnormally poor, if I ever found time to play guildwars in the past I would feel like I was wasting it if I ever tried to farm for more than 1 run and I've always despised player economies, again for feeling like wasted time and only seems enjoyable for the more materialistic personality, so I've never traded any items, though I've not found any valuable items worth 20k+ as far as I know.
So I guess it may be self inflicted in some way, however it is not being poor for the sake of being poor. I hoard any kind of drop that I get through normal play like a pack rat, even identifying the white items to get those extra pennies from the merchant. But the two more profitable alternatives bore me to tears and I couldn't bring myself to waste time for the sake of parts I do enjoy.
Mtank325
Reward us with cap signets and make us go cap all skills from bosses therefore adding a new dynamic.
Or something.
Or something.
Ogg
1K/skillpoint is not too much.
Even without farming in Factions I can get several hundred gold in short time. If you start to run faction-repeatable quests, you get lot more.
And remember that it isnt 1k/point from the beginning. You start with skills costing far less than that.
Do the quests and missions and you get more than enough gold to buy all your primary-skills and bunch of secondary-skills in addition to armor.
Even without farming in Factions I can get several hundred gold in short time. If you start to run faction-repeatable quests, you get lot more.
And remember that it isnt 1k/point from the beginning. You start with skills costing far less than that.
Do the quests and missions and you get more than enough gold to buy all your primary-skills and bunch of secondary-skills in addition to armor.
tick tack toe
^ YOU ARE RIGHT!!!! i have 56 skillpoints and they cost 90gold for skills now 
can you belive it or not i only baught 1 skill for my necro? correction 2 skills 100 gold 
(2 caps)
can you belive it or not i only baught 1 skill for my necro? correction 2 skills 100 gold 
Lateralus
Nope, this game is allready easy enoughf as it is.
lyra_song
nobody seems to remember when the price of skills WASNT capped a 1k and would keep rising per skill you bought....
tick tack toe
as i said it costs me 120 (not 90) gold to buy due to the fact i baught 2 caps.
samifly
Skills should not be a money sink. Yeah it didnt use to be capped, but the progression was slower. also in prophecies you could get half of your skills for free. 1k is a bit too much to ask for, when you are buying all your skills. its 25k alone to buy the new, non-duplicate core skills. And I'm really dreading the bill my ritualist and assassin will be getting. Either let us turn in those commendation thingys for a skills, or give us more money or something. please!
byteme!
1k per skill point to me isn't much. Never had a problem with money as far as buying what I need.
Autumn_Leaf
i think that anet should lower the skill cost in some way maybe max it out at 500g per skill and 1k max for skill cap(xince its for elites)
People have to relize that the skill cost increase was most likely implemented because of overfarming and was used as a gold sink this unfortuneatly has raised the taxes on the average joe.
EDIT: i dont know how people are having trouble with having skill points these days, every quest gives out ~3000exp and skill cap now gives max of 5000 exp. they also decreased the skill gain to 15000 exp( or 20000, can't remember) b4 the exp needed for skill gain steadly increased, even though that was no problem to the farmers.
People have to relize that the skill cost increase was most likely implemented because of overfarming and was used as a gold sink this unfortuneatly has raised the taxes on the average joe.
EDIT: i dont know how people are having trouble with having skill points these days, every quest gives out ~3000exp and skill cap now gives max of 5000 exp. they also decreased the skill gain to 15000 exp( or 20000, can't remember) b4 the exp needed for skill gain steadly increased, even though that was no problem to the farmers.
jimmy_logic
There is a current promotion that the Bank of Tyria and Bank of Cantha are running... they are offering MasterCards to approved applicants that come with 10 skills for free if used at a Skill Trainer carrying the MasterCard logo. There are other benefits to the card as well, such as up to 55days to pay for your purchases, buyer protection and acceptance where ever there is a MasterCard logo. To apply please talk to Registrar in Kaineng City or Lions Arch and he will provide you with an application form.
Mercury Angel
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nobody seems to remember when the price of skills WASNT capped a 1k and would keep rising per skill you bought....
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The change in the skill pricing system has been a boot to the rear of the casual player, compounded by the change in the skill acquisition system.
Though, power gamers and people playing veteran characters do benefit from it.
Malice Black
meh too much of this game is based round the "casual" player now
if u cant afford 1k then stop moaning about it on a forum and go do something about it
if Anet change anymore of this game to fit around the "casual" gamer then the old timers of this game including me will leave
ok random rant done let the bitching continue
if u cant afford 1k then stop moaning about it on a forum and go do something about it
if Anet change anymore of this game to fit around the "casual" gamer then the old timers of this game including me will leave
ok random rant done
let the bitching continue
Sniper Assasin
1k is not too much, but black dye is just ridiculous, i have not got a single drop and neither have my guildies(about 30) since factions have come out. The price has also risen to 8k, so if i want an assasin in all black, i have to fork out 40k for it. The weapon upgrades are through the roof as well.