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Rameses Melandru

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Oct 2005

Metavolved Perceptions

R/Me

19 May 2006 at 22:03 - 1

Hey, I'm not sure if it's just me, but I want to attain the 'Survivor' title on one of my previous charecters, of which is from Tyria.

At this moment in time, it just isn't possible. As my charecter has deaths (obviously) and is pretty much 'excluded'. One of the obvious ways you might say; is to restart a new charecter, but this isn't a option for me: I have a set of FoW armour and many customised bows, I'm sure you agree with me loosing all that for a title, just isn't worth it...

So, I had a look at the requirments of the "Survivor" title: As many of you have also said: Anet 'should' ammend the title, so they have to go from yyy xp to yyy xp without dying, ditching the idea of not having any deaths previous to the amount of experience gained without dying.

So Anet, If your reading this, ammend the title. Thanks.

/signed

Across The Battle

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

Jersey

W/

19 May 2006 at 22:47 - 2

/notsigned

Defeats the point of the title...

Not everyone can have everything...Shoot for the drunkard title, it might fight better ;-) haha

Arkantos

The Greatest

Join Date: Feb 2006

W/

19 May 2006 at 23:54 - 3

Its called survivor. Not get this much exp without dying

/notsigned

Phoenix Avenger

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2005

Wisconsin

Eternal Knights

E/Mo

20 May 2006 at 00:01 - 4

how is playing x amount without dieing not being a "survivor"?

/signed

Navaros

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Mo/Me

20 May 2006 at 00:03 - 5

Quote:

Originally Posted by Across The Battle

/notsigned

Defeats the point of the title...

Wrong. It defeats the point of putting the Survivor Title into the game when players cannot get it on the only place that matters, their old main character.

I made a thread the same as yours here, Rameses. I still will support any and all threads dedicated to fixing the horribly botched and useless implementation of the Survivor Title.

My thread about the same thing:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3022590

Another player also made a thread about the same thing:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3023681

Hopefully with all these threads Anet will finally start taking notice and fix the Survivor Title so that any character has an opportunity to earn it.

/signed

Tarun

Technician's Corner Moderator

Join Date: Jan 2006

The TARDIS

http://www.lunarsoft.net/ http://forums.lunarsoft.net/

20 May 2006 at 00:19 - 6

/signed

Aki Soyokaze

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2006

Vancouver

20 May 2006 at 00:58 - 7

Quote:

Originally Posted by Navaros

Wrong. It defeats the point of putting the Survivor Title into the game when players cannot get it on the only place that matters, their old main character.

I made a thread the same as yours here, Rameses. I still will support any and all threads dedicated to fixing the horribly botched and useless implementation of the Survivor Title.

My thread about the same thing:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3022590

Another player also made a thread about the same thing:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3023681

Hopefully with all these threads Anet will finally start taking notice and fix the Survivor Title so that any character has an opportunity to earn it.

/signed

/not signed

You've already got the spoils of being able to fight and die for your 'loot.' So it would be unfair to everyone else that got their title the hard way. And if you're that unwilling to give up what you have to get this title, then perhaps you never really deserved it in the first place. Because you sure as hell have to sacrifice a lot of time and effort to get it; the people who did/do get the survivor title don't get to get as much good stuff as you have on your main character. And they don't get to use that character for anything that is imaginative or in the least bit risky, they have to practically give up an entire character slot and play it safe.

So if you're not willing to sacrifice what others have sacrificed in order to get the title then you don't deserve it.

Hunter Sharparrow

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

Jeepers Kreepers

R/Mo

20 May 2006 at 01:55 - 8

Quote:

You've already got the spoils of being able to fight and die for your 'loot.' So it would be unfair to everyone else that got their title the hard way.

When the title was introduced it requires a person to start a new character to try and get it. If you have no characters slots left then you have to give up one of your old characters to do it. Now when people first start playing they get somewhat attached to their first or second or so on character. Despite which character it was or how many came before it the point is that each player, for the most part, have a particular character that they are fond of. One above the rest.

Now they played that character a certain way. That certain way being not having any concern for dying. You had nothing to gain by not dying. Now you do have something to gain. So where is it unfair? Everyone else that got their title the hard way? Would that be by gaining the # amount of xp to aquire the title? I believe that is what people are asking for. A shot for their older characters to aquire the title the same way as everyone else. The death that these characters have collected doesn't even have to be reset. When they put the title into play, everyone should have recieved this title bar when they logged on with their character (new or old). Then the challenge begins. If said character died then that character (despite any previous deaths the character accumulated before the update that implamented this new system) would then no longer be able to gain any more in that title as the current system works.

Two April Mornings

No Luck No Time No Money

Join Date: Nov 2005

Amherst College, MA

Scars Meadows [SMS]

Me/

20 May 2006 at 01:57 - 9

powerleveling for survivor - lame - woudl be easy to do

/notsigned

robrobrob

Banned

Join Date: May 2006

20 May 2006 at 03:11 - 10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Two April Mornings

powerleveling for survivor - lame - woudl be easy to do

/notsigned

Like it doesn't happen that way already? lol

D Fault

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Black Rose Gaming [BR]

20 May 2006 at 04:24 - 11

Every 55 monk in the game would have the title in less than a week.
The point of the title is to survive while you are starting from scratch, without access to all skills/items/armor/etc.

Mysterial

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

Servants of Fortuna

E/Me

20 May 2006 at 04:38 - 12

Quote:

Originally Posted by D Fault

Every 55 monk in the game would have the title in less than a week.
The point of the title is to survive while you are starting from scratch, without access to all skills/items/armor/etc.

Or to have someone run you through missions until you do have access to those things and make an easy solo build.

Let's face it. No matter how they set it up, it's still exploitable. Therefore, they should have implemented it in the way that allows the highest number of players a chance to go for it.

However, at this point there are far more pressing issues than one poorly implemented title.

Stupid Shizno

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2006

Madison, Wisconsin, USA

[eF]

Mo/

20 May 2006 at 04:47 - 13

Thats absurd, no way should you not be able to obtain this title if you have died already. Thats the whole point of the title, do you want people to run around and say "im a survivor with 242 deaths but i can get 100,000xp without dying"? thats dumb. Anet did something right with this title, they used a key phrase called "re-play" you hear single player games use it all the time to try to make their crappy game last another 6 months by allowing differnt endings or whatnot. Anet decided to give you a reason to make a new toon to obtain a "cool" title. And besides, do you really want to have the survivor title? what does it show? That you ran way in combat when your team mates were getting slaughterd? horah, im proud of that.

Navaros

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Mo/Me

20 May 2006 at 06:50 - 14

The problem is many players don't want to make a new toon because they are happy with their old main character (except for the inability to get the Survivor Title on it) that they have already invested countless hours and months into. They don't want the Survivor Title on a new toon, because that would be pointless since they would not be using the new toon at all. And the point of titles is to be able to get them on any character you want them on; not be discriminated against having the chance to get them for wanting it on an old character.

Simple fixes: Make Survivor an account based Title.

Or

Make Survivor Title track available to old characters and reset it when they die.

Rameses Melandru

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Oct 2005

Metavolved Perceptions

R/Me

20 May 2006 at 08:44 - 15

I don't understand why it isn't like it should be, going for a certain amount of experience without dying. Sure, 55hp monks will get it pretty easy, but, it's pretty easy to get anyway, I managed to do it with a new charecter with a hench, but it just isn't the same, I no longer have my perfect set of bows, my hard earned FoW armour, or all the skills, that I would need to recap.

All I'm saying is that you should be able to go for: a period where you gain 140,600xp without dying, to gain the title. Not start off from lvl1 and gain it, for the sake of older charecters.

To those who where complaining about how it would be easy: Isn't it already? But It's the fact that older and more 'loved' charecters can't attain this.

Thanks.

samifly

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Girl Power [GP]

Mo/Me

20 May 2006 at 11:18 - 16

Actually... you *could* have it on your old character. If you havent died.

Seriously, if titles were all easy, then they would not be worth getting. I see nothing wrong with how they implemented it. Only thing i could see fixed is if your character met the survivor requirements before they started tracking it. (level 20 without dying doesnt go away right?)

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

20 May 2006 at 11:37 - 17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bloody Death

Its called survivor. Not get this much exp without dying

.... your an idiot. The survivor title IS get this much exp without dieing. Besides, at a lower level you've got it easier anyway, tons of quests, random boosts (like Ascension).

/signed

I'd probably never get it on my old characters but i would like to have a f*cking chance at it!

Besides its not exactly not exploited already. Hench the thread with someone proving he has no life and getting the title in '16minutes' by cheating the bug with the clock.

Lint

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

In a house....

bleh

20 May 2006 at 13:41 - 18

/signed

LifeInfusion

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

in the midline

E/Mo

20 May 2006 at 14:20 - 19

I find the title to be pretty stupid anyway. It just promotes quitting before you die, wasting people's time.

So no, it is not a worthwhile suggestion.

Lepton CFd

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2006

Pantheon of Shadows [dei]

Mo/Me

20 May 2006 at 14:36 - 20

Quote:

Originally Posted by D Fault

Every 55 monk in the game would have the title in less than a week.
The point of the title is to survive while you are starting from scratch, without access to all skills/items/armor/etc.

All too true.

/notsigned

RaccoonSalsa

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2006

Next to PC

ex Pure Beards [PuBe] :(

20 May 2006 at 14:42 - 21

/not signed, surviving is harder at low levels, that is the idea.

Rameses Melandru

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Oct 2005

Metavolved Perceptions

R/Me

20 May 2006 at 18:10 - 22

How is it easier at lower levels?! You have quests that give you 3-4000xp, Easy mobs ect. Not hard.

I have started a new charecter in canthan pre-sear (a ranger) and attained the survivor title easily, but it just wasn't the same, and he got deleted.

If Anet could ammend the title, so you just had to get a certain amount of exp without dying, It would give all the charecters a fair chance at getting the title. So go Anet

Thanks.

Rameses Melandru

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Oct 2005

Metavolved Perceptions

R/Me

20 May 2006 at 18:19 - 23

I really don't want to loose this to make a new charecter.

Wyvern King

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2005

R/N

20 May 2006 at 19:02 - 24

/notsigned

If it were, just about everybody in all of Tyria/Cantha would probably try for this title a bit. Maybe not all, but 3/4 at least. Every time you went into a PUG, loads of people would leave when they reach 1/4 health...

Also people who deleted an old character they liked for a new character to get the title would be pretty pissed, and rightly so.

Finally - this title is useless. All it shows is that someone (almost definitely) ran you/power leveled you a lot.

On another thread, people said that the titles they gave most respect to were

1. Friend of the (Faction) Skill Track - shows they are a team player
2. Grandmaster Cartographer - not so much for me, but other people said so because of the skill and perseverance/integrity needed to get every inch of the map

Hardly anyone said survivor.

So don't waste time petitioning to get Survivor title - go and give faction to your alliance.

RinkXing

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2005

United Kingdom

Biscuit of Dewm [MEEP]

N/

20 May 2006 at 19:12 - 25

/notsigned

D Fault is right.

Sluggs

Banned

Join Date: Jun 2005

20 May 2006 at 22:04 - 26

/notsigned

Every word of what wyvern said is the truth and my personal belief.

domonx

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2006

20 May 2006 at 22:14 - 27

Quote:

Originally Posted by RaccoonSalsa

/not signed, surviving is harder at low levels, that is the idea.

WOW...just...wow...iam speechless.

*going to check if i been playing the right game*

yeah...still speechless....iam without speech. as the zaishens say: gg

Navaros

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Mo/Me

21 May 2006 at 10:07 - 28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wyvern King

If it were, just about everybody in all of Tyria/Cantha would probably try for this title a bit. Maybe not all, but 3/4 at least. Every time you went into a PUG, loads of people would leave when they reach 1/4 health...

Also people who deleted an old character they liked for a new character to get the title would be pretty pissed, and rightly so.

Finally - this title is useless. All it shows is that someone (almost definitely) ran you/power leveled you a lot.

On another thread, people said that the titles they gave most respect to were

1. Friend of the (Faction) Skill Track - shows they are a team player
2. Grandmaster Cartographer - not so much for me, but other people said so because of the skill and perseverance/integrity needed to get every inch of the map

Hardly anyone said survivor.

So don't waste time petitioning to get Survivor title - go and give faction to your alliance.

Hardly anyone said Survivor because the implementation of that title is botched since old characters can't get it. So most people don't bother with it since getting it on a new character they don't care about is pointless. You even acknowledge in your post here that the bad implementation of the title - it not being available to old characters - makes way less people want to try to get it and hence they are not interested in the title at all. Out of sight, out of mind. Which I don't think is what Anet intended when they put titles into the game.

I don't think any people with cherished old characters would delete them just to get the title that on a new character that they don't care about. Instead, they make legitimate complaints on fansites about how Anet should fix the Survivor Title. This is already the third thread I've seen on this board about this issue from 3 separate players who made a thread wanting the same thing.

You wanna know who will be pissed? People who read the Wiki that are thinking that their experience they get without dying is counting towards them getting a Survivor Title when actually it is not. That added phrase "Using the command /deaths must return a zero." was only added very recently and many people who read the Wiki prior to that will be left with the impression in their minds that they have been working on the Title for weeks only to eventually have their hopes shattered when they find out it was all for nothing.

Anet obviously does not think the Survivor Title is useless, since they put it into the game.

The implementation of it is indeed useless at the moment, since old characters cannot get it.

-Old 3FL-

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2006

Western Australia.

Crystal Mountain [CM]

W/

21 May 2006 at 11:42 - 29

/signed

shadowfell

hamonite anur ruk

Join Date: Jan 2006

Echovald Forest

[PhD] Teh Academy

Me/A

21 May 2006 at 11:43 - 30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wyvern King

Finally - this title is useless. All it shows is that someone (almost definitely) ran you/power leveled you a lot.

Don't assume so much.

Maxiemonster

There is no spoon.

Join Date: Jun 2005

Netherlands

Mo/

21 May 2006 at 12:22 - 31

"Every 55 monk in the game would have the title in less than a week.
The point of the title is to survive while you are starting from scratch, without access to all skills/items/armor/etc."

When you have 50K, you can get to Droknar's Forge, get all the skills you want, and of course, the ultimate items. This is just nonsense, 55HP Monking is even easier on low levels, as you can decrease your Health to even beter amounts.

A 1.5 million streak of not dying isn't any harder when you start at level 1 then at level 20, the only difference is you need to have some gold, you need to get some runs, and you need to get a nice powerlevel.

And why do I care about this title? I'd love to get the "Kind of a Big Deal" title, just like many others, and I get a huge penalty on that title just for already having characters that have already died? - Lame!

Shadow-Hunter

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

Denmark

[HH] [Hax]

Mo/

21 May 2006 at 12:39 - 32

/Notsigned.

Would be way too easy to get it on high lvl chars.. low lvl chars making quests could die from something like a ele monster that does way more dmg that you thought, but a Monk or Warrior know exactly what they are farming.. (a troll give like 136exp?, with scroll thats 408 and lets say 10 trolls = 4k exp a run.. runs take like 5 min.)

~Shadow

FalconDance

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2005

...deep within the sylvan splendor...

Order of the Migrating Coconuts [ALBA]

21 May 2006 at 14:05 - 33

The title is one of the worst things to come along. All you need to do is be able to map quickly out of a fight going south to not die in battle or mission. That leaves your team at a disadvantage (not to mention pissed off). Or, alternatively, be run and/or power-leveled so that you sit back and do absolutely nothing to earn any title except that one off someone else's work.

Idiotic beyond belief. Give me the mission titles (altho most can be run as well, unfortunately), mapping titles, the skills titles, etc. At least those showed you did *something* to earn them!

Loralai

Purveyor of Useless Info

Join Date: Oct 2005

Perpetual Motion Squad [PMS]

Mo/

21 May 2006 at 15:09 - 34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Two April Mornings

powerleveling for survivor - lame - woudl be easy to do

/notsigned

Ditto.

Nightwish

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

21 May 2006 at 18:16 - 35

I think this title is abit superficial. Dying is part of the game. To get the title, you have to be either extremely lucky or you went through unnecessary lengths to obtain it.

Example, in a quest, your whole party got wiped out except you and your used up res sig. Under normal circumstances, the survivor will either try to find a portal or sacrifice himself for whole party res. This title will only encourage people to quit the party instead.

Again, Survivor is one of the more superficial titles...

Juicey Shake

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

CA

in it for the trimmmm

R/

21 May 2006 at 18:26 - 36

notsigned.

as stated, powerleveling. anyone & everyone will be able to get the title on all of their chars, nty.

Rameses Melandru

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Oct 2005

Metavolved Perceptions

R/Me

21 May 2006 at 18:27 - 37

Quitting? Might be why they put /resign into the game.

And to the people that are saying you can power level it... So can a lvl1, all you need is a freind, and a weekend or something. Does it make a difference? No. Especially now that Anet are thinking of allowing Tyrian charecters into the 'canthan pre-sear'. You say that everyone will be able to get the title...Isn't that the point?! Every one should have access to the title, without restarting highly developed charecters.

Thanks.

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

21 May 2006 at 18:31 - 38

You wrote ALL that assuming i give a damn? I hope you copy/pasted that or all i can say is you need to get out more. If i wanted a lecture on the proper use of the English language, i'd be doing my A-level in English Language next month, not Mathematics.

Is powerleveling the only thing people can think of... you can power level from 1-20 and get this title in a couple of hours. If people who used this argument used the entire brain cell they might see that it gets slightly harder to gain exp that quickly at a high level.

Only good reason i've seen so far that i'll agree with is people leaving when theres a danger they'll die.

Rameses Melandru

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Oct 2005

Metavolved Perceptions

R/Me

22 May 2006 at 16:56 - 39

lol at the lecture.

Anyway, this title needs to be fixed.

Hunter Sharparrow

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

Jeepers Kreepers

R/Mo

22 May 2006 at 17:03 - 40

As it stands right now the title is exploitable. To get the first survivor title it is possible to get that the normal way with the quests and enemies at the beginning where it is easy to go without dying. Now to aquire the title you have to get x amount of xp without dying. The more xp you get the better the survival title you get untill you reach 100% where you will get the top survivor title. To get the first title is nothing to brag about or show off where the 100% would be. But as mentioned it is exploitable. Run an easy repeatable quest and/or leech xp. Given enough time one could get the top title easily. However if aquiring the title requires you to get a certain amount of xp without dying then shouldn't this be achivalbe at any time? Having to start over from the beginning each time you die of course but at the same time have available to show the highest title you were able to reach prior to dying.