Makes me want to quit playing.

Owned.

umm its called an expansion for a reason, y would they give you the new skills wen they could sell them to you?

There are core skills that can be found in both games. On top of this there are skills that are specific to the game. Out of these skills that are specific to the game some are the same with just a different name while others are similar but look like they have been tweaked. So rather than make the change in the prophecies' skill they made the change for factions. Then there are those that are altogther new that are found in factions only but there are skills that are completely unique to prophecies that require you to own both to have them all.

Factions is a stand alone game in that you only have to buy the one to play and nothing else. Everything else about the game makes it an expansion. Looking to play GW for the first time? Get prophecies.

Edit: I've already made a post comparing the two chapters. Personally I believe Factions bombed and only owes it's sales to the success of Prophecies. Primary game of choise at the moment, Oblivion.

Yeah uh are you actually this retarded?

Hmm, this thread made me think about this:

In future chapters weill non-core classes have expanded skills and drops? If an Assassin or Ritualist go to Tyria right now, there is nothing for their class to gain (secondary, but not primary). In future chapters where you will not be able to start as an Assassin or Ritualist*, what will there be for those classes going forward?
Can anyone confirm or rebuke this for me (us)?

*Anet had mentioned this before somewhere, or I heard it via rumor mill - can't recall.

For majority of PvP and PvE: Does this matter? I think the bottom line is to make both sides of the game play happy so we stick around and GW continues on.

Crazy Thing To Say,

It had the potential to be upgraded, if you dont wana rake out the money for factions, dont expect to get the benefits.

*shrugs*

just how i feel

/not signed

Lol to the person who said there are more PvP'ers then PvE'ers.

I am glad to read this dicussion as i was about to start one.

For the last 2000 hours over 9 months i have lead a PvE Guild of more then 50 people for the last 8 months.

I have invested money and time on Ventrilo Servers and Website Registrations.

Prior to this Game i played Diablo 2 which had a WICKED weapon and armour generaton system. This game was a change but i liked it.

I have spoeken with over 50 gamers in private conversations and most are like me. I am about ready to sell all 3 of my accounts and my Guild and never play again.. in the last 3 days i have done hardly anything.

FACTIONS POSITIVES!! ----> The skills are GREAT the visuals are GREAT the classes are ok.

FACTIONS NEGATIVES!!----> PHROPECHIES is OBSELETE. Should have had a Weapon update or something at least. all the chest runs farming and everything almost in phophecies is trashed. i can solo fow but oooo what the point ectos shards parhment veullum chaos axes they have all nosed dived in price.

GREEN wpns are a joke people would rather pay more money for green items that spawn every day every time at same location. So more common the gold yet more expensive!!! (and cheap i hate green).

new armours made the old materials obselete. Should have change from a buy/demand market system. Since 90% of worlds drop are trash now.

Since the Factions release i see that Arena net almost FORCES u to play factions. pvpers can compete unles they have new skills.

THE world belongs to PvE!!! duh. the pvp game would have FAILED without the PvE world.

PLEASE PLEASE ARENA NET AND ALL FANS DEMAND AN UPDATE (like sorrows)
Fix some of the following problems in the next month b4 i sell all my accounts and Retire from GW forever..

list of gayness.
--> Cant get skils from quests
--> Gold wpns UNLESS FACTIONS worth
--> Gay Green weapons Ruin the markets since they are TOO common.
--> Story starts boring and slow. b4 was fight to survive.now its. Zzz mysery.
--> the 8 man sized party to fast into game slows the game play sooo much
--> To Choose to your Allinace u must beat over 50% of Factions.
--> Out dated supply and demand markets have left people grasping for cash.

In Closure.

The game is probaly being pushed in a more PvP direction. Thus i will be quiting if the PvE improved. PvP is rather pointless after time. People who aspire to be the highest rank merely ferget its a game and that one day u will lose it all. No game has lasted for ever. or i would still be playing pong.

Please Arena Net.
Update Tyria with some new weapons and armour.
MAYBE do like everyone always dreamed and Addplayable aeras to the south of Denravi. or Add a few zones like sorrows furnace in the Casttles in Kryta. which act as mere scenery at this time.

Notes:
1)PvP is about having fun and employing interesting strategies which is were more skills makes things more interesting.

2)I enjoy Factions much more than I enjoy prophecies from a end game point of view. Much more interesting PvE, PvP and mixed style play. More armor varieties and more pvp playable weapons.

3)You really have to discount much of the pricing at the moment, since people are still hung up on what is new. At some point people will return to FoW and those prices will increase.

4)Very few things in prophecies were significantly nerfed: MMs, HoD swords being the big two in my mind.

5)As stated, many prophecy builds are not only playable, but are optimal. I only use one faction skill on my monk extensively.

Unless you're an elementalist. Then the skills suck balls. The visuals and new classes are nice though.

If you care enough about gw's itself and factions skills that much why wouldnt you buy it, its only $50.

If you cannot understand something so easy as to why skills from a new game cannot be offered for FREE to another game, then I guess quitting really IS your best option.

Yes. One question.

What were you smoking when you watched American Pie?

I mean, it's a funny movie and all.. but "one of the greatest movies of all times"?

That's insanely ludicrous.

Anet has made steps against farming for a reason. It does bad things. These negetives sound like complaints that you can't get the profit you used to by farming because of these changes anet has made. There are way more valid negetive points that can be made about factions which some you have stated but those I quoted are not them.

Is it really too much for people to grasp anet's views on farming? What kind of hint they are putting out with these changes that either make farming more difficult or (in the recent update) make it not worth the time to farm by increasing the drop rates so anyone can find what they are looking for without having to resort to farming themselves or buy from farmers for insane prices.

Why must you download GWF updates - If you are complaining about PvP from the Start ... Take a Min to think about your question -

You are upset that in PvP you feel you have an unfair advantage due to Some Joe or Jane has access to a more diverse Skill Bar than you. Thus you are incountering GWF skills on your GWP account, Thus you need the GWF updates because you come in contact with GWF.

Its like getting inoculated for a Virus. Just because you don't travel to a new area, doesn't mean that someone from the new area doesn't travel to your location and you can still come in contact with the Virus!

Wait till he sees this one:

LOL, if anet give you the new skills even though you do not buy the expansion, what is the point of making and selling expansion?..XD

besides, it is not really the fact that you will be outplayed if you do not have GW:F..lolz

The OP did make one valid point. GW:P players who do not buy Factions were stuck downloading the "expansion" before Factions went live. That must be very frustrating.

That being said, I don't use many Faction skills with my Tryian characters. I think I've bought 6, but only use two consistently. It is rather like Magic the Gathering in that regard. More skills = more choices but not more power.

Let's define "Stand Alone".

The way I see it, Factions is stand alone, only in the sense of buying and installing the game. As far as actual gameplay goes, it is far from "stand alone". Every thing is linked, from skills to economy. Sure you don't need to buy both, but adjustments and implementations in each world will always directly or indirectly effect the other (drops, stats, skills, what have you).

What you are asking for, is that each expansion..er chapter will have its own servers, so they each perform in a bubble so to speak. Never gonna happen.

Personaly, I think it makes for an interesting and dynamic gameplay. An ever changing and evolving world.

My Factions ele is kicking butt and I don't think she uses any Prophecies only skills, neither does my Catha monk, and they both do fine, so in escence they are faction stand alone.

My Ranger doesn't use any faction skills, my Necro only has the Flesh Golem and my warrior only one sword skill from factions (which I bought just 'cause).

What I'm saying is I have the full spectrum of skill sets so I can tell you; you don't need both to have fun in either.

Mes will be in chapter 3 and my assassin is waiting for the single slot purchase

PvP vs PvE ther are enough of both so neither should be ignored.

One Phrase -> TRIPLE CHOP!!!

If ANET actually gave Faction skills to prophecies for free, I for one would be complaining :P I bought factions, so I expect that there will be content only accessible to me.

Now that being said, you really aren't missing much, cool new skills, but my Tyria Necro and Factions Necro really aren't at any disadvantage if they were to face each other :P I mean, if you like the game and want the new stuff, eventually you have to pony up for new chapters Saving up $50 isn't that massively difficult

Now what I wish is that my Factions chars had something to gain from going to Tyria, seems there really isnt much for them to do get there :/

~prime

Given the choice - I'd much rather have the Proh skills than the factions ones. Most just aren't that great. Relax a bit. Youdon't need any of those skills to compete. If you gotta have them - then yes go buy it. But really - what do you think expansions are?? They expand the content!

its true, you ever seen lions arch, or kaining around 5-6 oclock? and thats just one outpost in just on country, its pretty obvoius there are more pve, and he's right, without pve there would be no guild wars.

Flesh Golem FTW!!!, but thats about it

Yeah there is nothing really better in Factions just skills are slightly different... you're just complaining because you are stuck with all the skills everyone is used to... Not to mention I've played through five times, on my sixth and for pretty much all my characters I use the same build i would in prophices.. in fact I like some of the skills better in prophices so I usually go over there when I get to Kaineng just to get the skills.

The only Canthan skills that I want to get for my ranger are the elite skills Broad Head Arrow but more importantly Trapper's Focus. Having an enemy stop attacking it's target to interupt you when your trying to lay a trap next to it is annoying.

I suppose you had a man with a gun forcing you to spend money, right?

Wait, you're angry that the game changed and you have to adapt? That's terrible.

The game is more fun IMO; You get into the action faster, you get elites faster, you get a full 8-man challenge faster, you get your max armor faster. You get to PvP on your PvE toon a lot (if you do the PvE/P 8-man challenges). There are better drops and more of them, there are challenging elite missions, there are new opportunities, there are titles, there are new skins for everything, there are new skills, old players who haven't logged in for months have come back to play.

Seems like a pretty good deal to me.

ps: How am I grasping for cash? I've gone from ~100k to 750k in the bank in the last two weeks. Be careful where and how you spend your money, it looks like you have a lot to learn.

One minor problem there is that districts in HA, Random, or Teams do not take GvG into consideration, and given that I've seen guilds with a rank of 10000+ in gvg, well, thats a lot of people that districts don't take into account. I'm not saying pve has more people than pvp, or visa versa, I think it's pretty close on both accounts.

Flesh golem sucks.

Think about it, it is flesh golem, not flesh golems
It is also an elite.
Even if you have your one flesh golem, so what? Verata's Gaze, Verata's Gaze. It is your opponent's flesh golem now!

@Deamon_Slayer,

Your post is in short saying: Anet, update the game so that i can be rich soloing FoW and make other people grind for green items or else i will really violate the EULA and sell my accounts away like the rest of my disgrunted guild mates. IGN: Deamon Slayer A. Guild: Burning Sun Ninjas. Put me on your watch list now Anet!!111

LoL @ Lord Shazneri's Avatar.

remeber factions only chacarters cannot get some tyrian skills too...in order have them all you have to buy both games ^^

it's called..."making money"

see this is the growing problem in gw today. it is people saying stop whining and go buy factions. well here lies the problem. everyone remembers what it was like before factions. we were told that factions was a STAND ALONE GAME. well if factions is stand alone why do they not have to buy phrophecies? all these people saying deal with it is bull. like you can honestlly say that it was fair for canthan players to be able to access tyria. can we enter cantha yes but why is this. it is because we bought another game that is why. canthan players should have to pay to get into tyria it is only right. anet has told all tyrian players as he said we don t care about your business cause we will always have it and we can do what we want when we want. just look at there rules lol it explains all.

If I had a dime for every assassin I see

well said

Then you'll be able to afford Fissure Armor!

The content for Factions players in Tyria is negligable at best and Honestly? It is fair. The Factions players are now the ones paying for the servers, bandwidth and maintainance that allows you to keep playing. I love the idea some people have here that ANet somehow owe them further FREE game updates just for playing the game. Prophecies players really should stop whining and count themselves lucky that the game(both prophecies and factions) is going to be constantly patched and tweaked because of the new releases existance.

What is that You have a 62 chevy? Ok have these airbags, and a warranty and antilock breaks that we put on our new cars.
You cant expect all the good things from factions without paying for the game.

Eh...your logic is about as good as your use of language.

If I dont have Prophecies my Canthan char cannot go to Tyria, anyone who has bought Factions but not prophecies CANNOT go to Tyria.
So, in short, Canthan players did pay to access Tyria. Get it now?

You can play either as standalone (even if you own both) or you can link them and get access to both 'lands' with the same char, you can also choose not to buy either Factions or not to buy Prophecies. That makes it a stand alone game, really, its not such a hard concept.

As for the rules, I dont know what you are referring to there, Anet doesn't allow some matters and I havent been able to find anything unreasonable in the EULA.

Well for pvp purposes, prophecies is no longer a stand alone game actually. You must learn and understand two new professions, their skills, how they change pvp (they did significantly), and how it won't be the same game you bought before, sorry.

To be competetive, one must have all chapter at this point. While if it drag to 10th-13th chapters, it might not matter anymore, but you would most likely still want at least 3-5 chapters.

Also, personally I am still having great success in random arena using only ch1 skills. Although I believe you would get all kind of discrimination from grouping with other people without ch2.

well i always love when people say that gw is a pvp based game but here is the problem with that. take a pure pvper that never has played pve. do you honestlly know why you are pvping? no you dont lol and there actually is a reason behind pvp in the pve story line so to me anyone who ever has said"sorry to tell you but gw is pvp based" needs to go play some gw stop worring about your rank and play the game. do the pvp ers honestlly think anyone cares wether or not you would have bought the game had there not been new skills? pve people would have then done the pvp cause it gives you the faction you need to own things. do any pvp ers honestlly think that your rank means anything in pve. you do not know how many times i have seen rank 9 nuker lfg. um okkkkkkkk 1.-pve npc s are stupid they do not in essence go straight for monks plus when monks run away they target something new. 2.-the skill setups that you use in pvp would get wiped clean when you pve beacause most skill setups are for specific things. a person can take hench and play pve. now don t get me wrong a pve build sometimes is no good in pvp. so for a pvp er to flaught his rank to me is just a joke. main point is everyone has to understand that there are 2 aspects to this game and wether you play 1 or the other this game is not based around just 1 of them this game is pvp and pve wrapped into 1. and when the pvp ers get off there so called high horses and pve ers stop crying about pvp and realise that when the game is setup before we play it you are gunna have two types of a game. and you are gunna have two sides battling over what is better. so live with it and do your thing.