Faction: Completely Pointless

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Zinger314
Zinger314
Debbie Downer
#1
Now that a easily accessable ferry has been made in House zu Heltzer, all forms of Faction is now completely pointless.

Faction can be obtained in many ways, such as the RFQs (repeatable faction quests), Alliance battles, quests, and the PvP Missions. However, the problem is...what do you do with that faction? Herein lies the problem...

The only use now for Faction is the Befrending... Quests, since you need to complete them to continue the storyline. I don't really consider that a use, since it does not involve spending the faction.

There are only 2 possible uses for Faction:

1. Amber/Jade

Donate 1k faction and receive a lovely gem. However, there is ONLY ONE USE for those gems.

And that is armor. If you don't like the respective armor, you have no use whatsoever for the gem.

Recently, the prices of each gem have greatly decreased, making them more difficult to sell and easier to buy, thus reducing the need for using Faction to buy the gem. (Unless you are saving up for the armor. Like me. I want that 15k Kurzick Female Ranger Sadly, that faction must be put to a different use...)

A recommended change would be to allow Amber/Jade to be used to craft ideal weapons.

2. Town Control/Elite Mission Access

Here's the crux of my argument.

When you donate 5k Faction to that little punk in your guild hall, it goes to your Alliance. But then what does that do?

It gives you control over a town. And all you get is a merchant with 20% off all items (if you took the faction and purchased Amber/Jade you'd make a much greater profit than the merchant), and a fireworks master (which is a gimmic, trust me.)

However, there are two towns where the ownership grants another thing: the ownership of House zu Heltzer and Cavalon.

Owning these towns grants anyone in that alliance [/i]and anyone who they want[/i] to enter the Elite Mission within (Urgoz's Warren for House zu Heltzer, and The Deep for Cavalon.)

Therefore, person in the controlling alliance lets you enter the Elite Mission, then what's the point of donating faction to the little punk?

Let's take the current affairs into perspective.

The most notable example of this is the ownership of Cavalon. The Crusaders [TC] own it with 6 million Luxon faction. They "ferry" people into The Deep at no charge.

Henceforth, no one will contest them. As evidence, the second-place Luxon alliance has only 2 million faction.

The Kurzick side, since last night, is similar. Komalis Protector [oOo] (The Alliance I'm in: if you've seen Syria Blackblood ferrying, that's me. ) controls House zu Heltzer and, like The Crusaders, ferries people into Urgoz's Warren for free.

[oOo] currently has 9 mil and counting. The second-place Alliance is close behind with 8.6 mil (won't discuss those politics here...mainly because I don't understand them). The third-place Alliance, however, has a mere 4 million faction.

So, why would people want to donate faction to that little punk if the end-result is available to everyone? (Well, besides the controlling guilds, heh)

Therein lies the problem: Faction is useless. The entire Faction system is broken, and needs to be fixed.
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generik
Desert Nomad
#2
It is not broken, Anet just doesn't have time within the short development cycle of 1 year to deliver a system that should does what it is supposed to do, and so all we got is just this gimmicky system called "Factions".

Hell, the word factions itself should give you a hint just how creative they are, they reused that same root word with "Balthazar Faction"!
Count to Potato
Count to Potato
Jungle Guide
#3
Well, its promoting competition in faction using, but the probelm is alliance battles and fort aspenwood/jadequarry, u dont even need to fight and u get faction, basically i guild could have 100 bots on both sides of quarry and aspenwood keep entering ajde quarry, getting the factions over and voer again, ur right, factions for people is useless to the extent of your guild, no use competing with oOo, they at least have a use to their faciton
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Navaros
Forge Runner
#4
Any Faction that can be converted to gold is not pointless. Ultimately, acquiring gold/wealth is the only point to the PVE side of the game once it's been beaten.

You wanna know what Faction is pointless, it's called Balthazaar Faction.
Witchblade
Witchblade
Polar Bear Attendant
#5
/agreed this Faction points system is broken ... lil guilds etc are no match for those with mils of pts ...

anyway, the only purpose is, like said above, either gold or elite missions

u can get more gold by playing/farming, once u got the armor u need, u dont care and u ll probably BUY the crafting material .. if u wanna gain the amber, that's 80000 pts the set lotsa hours of afk to get that huh (j/k)

elites ? who cares .. just buy the zodiac u need, period (ugly btw)

i made both 15k sets and now i see NO reason to care about faction battles/points/alliance
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Megengo
Academy Page
#6
I'm with Navaros.
MMSDome
MMSDome
Raged Out
#7
Belive me the 20% discount makes a big difference in the long run, also its not about just the reward you can touch and use its also about pride having your alliance name plastered on a town.
Arkantos
Arkantos
The Greatest
#8
Honestly, I dont think everyone should be allowed to go to elite missions. The point of them are that the alliance who owns HzH/Cavalon get the elite missions. Both oOo and TC ferry for free, ANet might aswell make it open to public.
Anyways, I'd rather have 20% off then pay normal price. For people who buy lots of salvage/id kits, they can save lots in the long run.
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KamikazeChicken
Desert Nomad
#9
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arkantos
ANet might aswell make it open to public.
They're already thinking about adding other ways into the elite missions, so it really won't matter in the end.
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lilnate22
Lion's Arch Merchant
#10
i agree on wut u say... faction is pointless. my alliance has 400k faction and i know we are never gona get 1mil-8mil to controll town.. so whats the point in donating? i think anet shud grow a pair of(...) and make a beter system
my idea is to giv ealliance speacial benefits on the number of faction they have i.e more npc during gvg or sumthing

its kinda pointless for low alliance to put in faction knowing there never gona take a town..
xBakox
xBakox
Lion's Arch Merchant
#11
Quote:
my idea is to giv ealliance speacial benefits on the number of faction they have i.e more npc during gvg or sumthing
More NPCs in GvG because of more faction is the worst idea ever. Period.

Thats like saying the Redskins have the biggest salary cap in the NFL, so they get an extra player. GvG is competitive and it *is* for money.

And please, try spell/grammar check next time.

They do need to fix faction though. Definatley need more benefits for it. Unique weapons maybe, but then people would just sell them for 100k 100ecto or something stupid. Maybe customized only weapons that can be crafted for town holders? Different unique skin per town?
Alleji
Alleji
Forge Runner
#12
Yeah, faction sucks. But you know what sucks more? Locked gates in factions? [/stillpissedoff]
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Dove_Song
Lion's Arch Merchant
#13
some guilds do aspire to own outposts for bragging rights...not all of us play a game to see rewards...we play it to enjoy playing it...winning it...

or in my case ..losing it....over and over and over

but hey I hope those air spikers can enjoy the victory with ONE FRIGGIN EYE!
Arkantos
Arkantos
The Greatest
#14
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dove_Song
some guilds do aspire to own outposts for bragging rights
Last time I checked it wasnt cool that your alliance can FF 24/7
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Dove_Song
Lion's Arch Merchant
#15
well then Arkantos you're just not cool..and we won;t invite YOU to the parade and Bar-B-Q......

No Burger for HIM!

I'll also pass your mesage along to the current holders of the main cities and let them know you think their FF'ing is dumb so they shouldn't ferry you into the Elites.
Zinger314
Zinger314
Debbie Downer
#16
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dove_Song
I'll also pass your mesage along to the current holders of the main cities and let them know you think their FF'ing is dumb so they shouldn't ferry you into the Elites.
You do realize that I said in the original post that I am in the [oOo] Alliance, which currently owns HzH?
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Dove_Song
Lion's Arch Merchant
#17
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zinger314
You do realize that I said in the original post that I am in the [oOo] Alliance, which currently owns HzH?
wasn;t refering to you hun...look at the guy above who quoted my post ^^

It's not all about you :P

hehhee
MoldyRiceFrenzy
MoldyRiceFrenzy
Wilds Pathfinder
#18
I wish there were just more things do with with factions like maybe... using to trade in for weps, or convert to balthazar, maybe buy accesosries for guildhall.
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Stabber
Krytan Explorer
#19
I agree with the OP. Faction is pointless. Along with most of PvE. PvP also. By the way, videogames are all pointless.
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Dove_Song
Lion's Arch Merchant
#20
you have a point there in a semi sarcastic way I think.

it's all about how you want to kill time isn't it?

are you in it for the journey or for the results?