new Title: The Quitter

You know i rly hate all these people who respond to ppl with a non top-of-the-line PC with get a new one or else u r f***** and should be punished not every one has thousands of dollars to run out and buy a new computer to play there favorute game properly.

So let me get this stright u want to punish ppl for things that r out of there hands like an err=07/power surge/real like emergancy like say your kid/parent/somone close to u fell down the stairs and need medical assistance are you gonna continue playing til u finished your mission well they lay there at the bottem of the stairs? cuz from the way your attitude is you are probably somone who would do just that.

Even though we r not talking about fort aspenwood but more a Quitter Title, So ok say "John" has added 75% of the gw community to his ignore list(unlikly but u never know) so now "John" spends his time sitting in fort aspen/jade quarry hoping that the other 25% of the ppl not on his list get on and start playing or is forced to sit and wait hours til they do and in the meantime sits and whines on variours forums about never getting an opposing team.

Best.Title.Ever. I so would love to see this added, i'm almost never in a group without a quitter nowadays.

Why cant we create "Arrogant Jerk" title? seems like most of the people infavor this title would earn this easily.

Ok, I DO think this is a good idea, but with the current system there are problems as have been mentioned.

A potential workaround, which requires Anet to implement rejoins (which they should be working on):

If you err7, d/c, whatever, it doesn't count towards the title. However, when you rejoin, you are automatically put back in the instance/group you were in. The only way to NOT automatically get put back in the group is to map or type /ragequit (which would close the program), both of which will count towards your quitter title.

This would save those with computer problems, and would hurt those who quit early. If you feel you have the RIGHT to quit the group because they are bad players, well, you don't (atleast not in the system I suggest). You are just as responsible for the team for joining them as they are, bad or good, you took a risk. It's like playing the lottery - whenever you lose, you can't ask for your money back.

Edit: Also, sure this can be circumvented, but doing so just wastes the circumventers precious playing time. You could just go afk, or you could just shut down the gw program and wait an undetermined amount of time and hope when you rejoin the party is already broken up so you wouldn't auto join. Also, this could be combined with the OP's idea that you could work off quitter points just incase you do win the lottery and get the worst group ever, you could map out, take your point, and then go work it off. If it's an infrequent event, it shouldn't even matter.

Response to below: Getting stuck is not a daily or twice/thrice/etc daily occurence. It does happen occasionally, I agree. If you don't quit groups often, you would not work up to earning a quitter title and you'd have your quitter points worked off, and no one would be the wiser that you ever had said points.

You just can't make this title work, FACE IT. Practice or in theory this title would never work.

Perhaps i can't be arsed to suicide? Or better still, those rare occasions where you get stuck! I've seen it 3 times, 2 of them we couldn't do anything about and they had to leave.

Generik... please buy me a new computer so i don't waste your precious time if something messes up, until then shut the f*ck up.

Let me ask you people, what the hell do you have against a title like this?? Be honest, how RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing often do you lag out?? Do you conviniently lag out when you're in a shitty group? Or are you the kind of people who ragequit from random arena because there's no monk? The whole I have a right to quit because they suck is a load of BS. Why don't you tell that to your guild because someone botched a 4 man trap run in UW, or caused you to lose a GvG because he didn't attack whoever he was assigned to?

You wouldn't think of ragequitting on your guild, but for strangers, you have all the reason to. Its because of people like YOU that anet really needs to implement some sort of penalty for exercising your "right" to quit.

Well, I see nobody agrees with this title. The system could be a little bit more complicated to prevent the players from being injustly sanctionned :

For example :

- a player leaves the game
- a vote is proposed to the other players with two possibilities : leaver and non-leaver
- according to the majority, the player is regarded as a leaver or not
- if the exit of the vote is negative, the player gets +1 to his "Quitter" title
- in the contrary case, nothing happens

Of course, when you are playing alone or with an only-hench team, you won't be penalized. Errors 7 wouldn't lead to a survey.

If a player cumulates 20 points, he becomes an apprentice-quitter, etc...

(Sorry for my bad english)

This is a stupid idea.

First off, quitting isn’t against any Guild Wars policies or rules, so it’s utterly ridiculous to even think about punishing people for it.

Second, some of us have lives outside the game, and have to leave for things beyond our control. I have a family and a young child, and I will leave if real life demands it. If you can’t understand that, then I’m sorry that your life revolves around Guild Wars.

Third, there is no practical and consistent way to implement this. What about disconnections, power outages or crashes? What about real life? Remember that, the thing where you interact with people offline?

I’m not generally a quitter, but I have and will leave if real life affairs require it. I may get an unexpected phone call, visitor or issue with my child or girlfriend during a mission or match. Am I supposed to just ignore these things? Should I go afk for an undetermined amount of time? I’m sorry but these things are more important than you completing your mission on the first try. Deal with it.


Also, henchmen are there for a reason. If you can’t complete a mission with humans, use the henchmen; every single mission and quest in Guild Wars is completable with henchmen. Stop whining about the leavers and go complete your mission.

....... Not everyone has the money to buy a new computer.... They shouldn't be punished for that. Also there so many other faults in this that it won't work anyway.

.... what does ragequiting have to do with this...

My computer used to freeze and boot me off GW 3 times a night. I couldn't find anything wrong with it so I couldn't fix it. I don't have enough money to buy a new one... Are you saying I shouldn't play then? Thats ridiculus. I did avoid groups with people most of the time however.

What if one of my family falls and breaks his leg so I go afk. Whats my group supposted to do? They can't leave and reform. They'll be stuck with an afker.

What about elona Reach. If theres a scammer the runner usually leaves and starts over. He can't do that now. What if everyone in your group dies except you and your going for the survivor title? You can't leave.

Also theres no rules or policies against quiting so it would be very stupid to punish people for it.

All of this has been posted by me and others in earlier posts.

Brother Gilburt

Suicide? Rofl, no. How about those who have the Survivor title(s)?

What about them?

Obviously having to "suicide" would mess up their title. Duh.

still flawed how do the ppl know y u quit if u got err=07 or power surge etc etc only way u would know is if they start bsing everone says he is leaving and /ragequits but then again he could have went off on everyone cuz somone else started it and the ppl still vote him as a quiter cuz there pissed he left near the end of a mission even if somone else started it well the person who started it gets off scott free.

Dual UW - monk runs off and leave the necro behind, necro gets pissed shouts here and there and leave and monk votes him a quitter etc etc etc to many example to list them all.

See what happens when u put to much power in the hands of others a quitter title like this would never get implemented cuz there is just no rite way they could do it and make it proper. Do we rly need 1000's of 1000's of ppl msging gw support and bugging them to get a point removed from there account if they have unjustly earned a Quitter Point not like they could do anything anywise cuz how could they tell? becuz you said so?. When they don't remove it ppl just get pissed at gw and they stop buying the new chapters meaning less and less cash for anet which leads to far worse problems.

Dude... wth? Were they out of keyboards with periods when you picked yours up?

Read my post above...
If you capture skills with henchies or friends, the system wouldn't penalize you.

Didn't your parents ever teach you if u have nothing constructive to say then say nothing at all. If all your gonna do is flame a person for not using a period and not post anything relevant towards the topic itself y even post at all. It's not like we r in RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing english class being graded on are proper use of spelling/grammer usage.

Its not punishment..if you've earned the Quitter title, which in his scenario means you've quit groups in excess of 50 times, the odds are you not merely dropping from a crappy piece of equipment or a crappy connection...myself, I'd appreciate the forewarning.

I'm all for it. Its not punishment at all, its earning a label, which is most likely well deserved and will warn potential groupmates not to take your sorry ass with them.

So we're "Arrogant Jerks" because we don't like people quitting on us in the middle of a mission?
Hmmm.

People who quit for no reason really suck but unfortunately there is nothing we can do about it. And most of the time it is for legitimate reasons like a disconnect.

What bothers me even more are those who go AFK and just walk off and leave their computer half way through the mission. They expect you to get them through the mission and come back later after your done. That irks me.

It is punishment. If you had this "label" you wouldn't be allowed in many groups. It doesn't mean anything either because people with crappy connection can get it when they never even quit. Also you have to do 15 missions to remove it. If its not a punishment then what is it?

Brother Gilburt

Wow. Can you say rationalization?

So it's not a punishment, but it's something "earned" as a result of undesirable actions? OK, pal, I think you need to grab a dictionary and put a little though into your claims. Labeling people who quit is, in fact, a punishment for quitting.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=punishment
"A penalty imposed for wrongdoing:"

The title is the penalty in this case, obviously; so your point is moot.

Exactly. Yes, quitters suck when you’re on the receiving end, but there is really no fair way to punish them without having those who quit for legitimate reasons suffer. Quitters in online games is just a reality you have to live with. Coming up with poorly though out way to stop them isn't helping anything, just forget about them and get on with playing. Not to mention that this is just a game; don’t take it so seriously.

First of all, I wouldn't have this title. In all my time playing GW I have been disconnected twice during a mission/group. If one were so bad that I felt I needed to quit, ok, but justifying it 50+ times? I don't think so. You wouldn't be allowed in many groups for a reason..

Yes, if people are habitual quitters, which alot are, because they don't like something about the group, whatever, it screws up everybody else in the group, wastes our time, and pisses us off.

How are they being punished, by labeling them as quitters? They earned it in my opinion, and those that want successful missions/groups are *rewarded* by not taking that slack ass quitter with them.

This title screws up people with bad connection, crappy computers, etc. I used to be booted off GW 3 times or more a night. I would have this title pretty fast when I don't deserve it.

Also even the people that never quit will eventually get this title from Power outs, afker's, error 7's, accidents, etc. This title isn't fair. It punishs people that aren't "habitual" quiters.

Brother Gilburt

Right after Factions came out I was getting tons of lag, and getting error 7s nearly every time I attempted a quest or mission. I eventually just henched everything due to my problems, but I know I lagged out of a few groups prior to that. So should I have been "earning" points for my title (read: punished) for that? I'm sorry, but if you would answer "yes" I think that's just ridiculous.


Furthermore, I don’t think I should be punished (or whatever creative term you want to use for it) for quitting due to a phone call, visitor or other real life issue. Like I said, I’m not one to rage quite, and I doubt I’ve quite anywhere near 50 times, but I don’t like the possibility that a phone call could “earn” me an undesirable title.

People quit for a lot of reasons, and I generally don’t mind if someone says they have to leave (as I do when I have to leave). That’s life, and I understand that this is just a game… (sadly it appears that a lot of people don’t, though). So what's your issue with that?

As for rage quitters, it's been my experience, that they are usually poor players or griefers anyway, so I don’t see that as much of a loss. I’d much rather 6 or 7 good, polite players than an 8-person party with 2 jerks in it. And I can probably count on one hand the number of times one or two people quitting actually effected the outcome of a PVE mission. (PVP is another story, but most don't leave until you're losing anyway.)

Not good, not signed.

I didn't read all of these, but even if it was set to 50 what about a 2 year old character that quits for varying reasons 50 times - that could be 1 in 20 missions for that character, and he should be punished? I don't think so.

It sounds like you need to quit joining PUGs and run with guildies instead. Or henchmen.

Hmmm, I guess if even Alesia quits on you, you know you have a problem.

O'RLLY?

Well here's the thing, I RLY HATE all those people who quit from parties the moment things look like they are going south.


You got it spot on.

Yes, you SHOULD have a strike mark added to your account each time *gasp* you have a power failure/you mum dies/your dad dies/you grandma dies/your granddad dies/your pet dies/your ISP drops out/whole myraid of issues.


To put it into perspective, there are currently 6 billion human beings on this planet, since the average life expectancy of a human is 75 years it goes to follow that in 75 years 6 billion people would have died. If you are to actually work that out, it comes up to almost 220 thousand deaths a day. Now, I don't care if you join my party and died in the middle of the game for one thing, but if it is a crucial mission like "The Deep", that is 2 hours of my life wasted because of your death.

You can certainly see where we are coming from here.

Grenth still has to make up his 220K daily figure somehow, too bad if it is you! But if you are such a huge risk factor, yes, you do deserve the quitter title very much. So stop trying to hide behind "real life" issues and face the fact. That each quitter has a negative impact on the team, and yes, people don't "play" solely for the sake of playing, people play to get somewhere in the game, not to waste time.

However if you read my implementation suggestion, people are only considered for Quitter titles when their quit PERCENTAGE is significantly above norms. What does that mean?

For one even if you have an insane string of deaths in your family, such that you rack up a ratio of 70% quits in the most recent n parties you join, well sorry to be you man, people die, get over it. However it is only fair that your potential party members know that you are a risk factor to take in their groups.

Alternatively you can also use henchmen and work off some of the bad ratio yourself!

I still don't see what's the issue here. Besides if so many people die in your family you really have bigger fish to fry than not being able to join a PUG in a wannabe MMO game called Guild Wars.

That is such a pointless waste of time and resources for such a crappy "fix" to a problem that's trivial to begin with. And it's not like the would-be quitters won't just go afk after they realize they get penalized for quitting.

So pardon me if I don't care. If I get a phone call or visit from someone, or my daughter or girlfriends needs me, and I quit, I don't think I should be penalized just because your little mission became slightly harder. This is an online game, these are things you deal with in online games.


Guild Wars is a game; a fantasy world. I could honestly care less if my real life intrudes on your mission, and I won't be hurt if yours life intrudes on mine. I can understand having to leave for legitimate reason, and I'm mature enough not to throw a fit because I didn't get my way in a game. So far all the posts in favor of this have amounted to whining when things don't work out like you want then too. gg

I play Guild Wars for entertainment, but it takes a backseat to my real life. I'm sorry if that concept seems foreign to you, but I shouldn't be penalized just because you had to finish a mission with one less person, or god forbid, have to experience the horrible fate of redoing a mission.

WoW don't u have a good attitude i hope one day i get paird with you and you drop dead where u sit so i can dance over your bodie for hours on end.

I would like to see what would happen if somone close to u drops dead but of course if u r anything like your post would suggest nothing but an asshole you would just leave them there to rot well u finished your mission and maybe the next one after that.

Yes i did read your suggestion and it still sucked donkeys arse.

@generik - I think you need to get a life and get off gw for a bit cuz u seem to have a really poor attitude it is just a freaking game ffs it not life or death big whooping deal u lose 10minute or 4hrs u can always come back to it.

Well you see, the stupid thing is that people blamed me arguing that I could've tolerated that to help guild finish the mission and get greens. Yes, I could've, I am not THAT sensitive after all. But I don't want to. I am not willing to help people who spit in my face or trying to ride my neck.
I want to beat that challenge as much as anyone else, but for me completion of the mission is not the ultimate purpose of playing GW. I am playing for fun, and my idea fun does not involve tolerating anything.

to All
Also I am really confused about the term ragequitter. What does it have to do with rage? The only rage I saw is people pming me with insults after I deny their ability to waste my time.
People leave party because they think it would fail anyway? Seem kinda logical to me... Wherever or not given party would fail if the ragequitter didn't quit is a totaly separate issue and can be argued alot, but can never be proven.

I personally like to thing about myself as pretty experienced PvE player. Being thru all the high-end GW areas I can give a prety close estimates to ability of the party to pull it thru. So if I see that due to various reasons party can not do it (or maybe can, but it will take much longer than just starting over) I say sorry guys, this isn't working out. Problem is too many people taking it personally like I called someone noob when it really got nothing personal. Yes, a few decent people may have to start over (maybe more than once), but hey if you win every time why keep playing?

.... wow... This is even more "wow" than my other posts that started with "wow"... I still have no idea why you should have a freaking strike added to your account for something that was out of your own control.

omg, If your more conserned about 2 hours of GW messed up in your 657,000 hour life than another persons whole life then don't play guild wars.... If you think I should be punished for a death in the family then what kind of person are you? Is someone in your family died while you played the deep would you just leave them there until you finish?

What your saying here is the worst argument supporting this idea I've seen. I see no reason why people should be punished for deaths in the family and such. The more a read what you've written the more irritated I get.

Brother Gilburt

hear hear! it really winds me up when i try complete a mission in my evening gw time slot after work... realities of life dont allow all of us the luxary to play 15 hours a day

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3095214#post3095214

Locking this thread, and all the other "Fix Leavers" threads in Sardelac, for the time being. When the new system is revealed, we'll look at it, look at these threads, and see if they need reopened or not. Until then, let's all be patient and see what we get.