10 Reasons PUGS Hate Monks

10. No we don't need to buy your l33t ub3r gear you got on your UW solo run.

9. Stop yelling at us to all stay in a little ball we need to stop the enemies from coming and killing you.

8. If a monster breaks through the wall of people protecting you stop crying like a baby and kill it.

7. If we use rebirth to get you back up in a battle its beacuse it was the only way to avoid a wipe.

6. Don't get all bent out of shape when a "soft" class goes in with the warriors; some of them have skills that require them to be in the mix.

5. Learn to manage your energy well and don't slow the group down. Warriors can do nothing to save their adrenaline but you can get a clue and manage your energy.

4. If you need another monk in the group then don't bother joining ours. We are good enough to make your job easy enough. As a side note please remember that in some cases Ritualists are better than you are at keeping the group going.

3. Don't get mad about us not inviting you all the time; there are times when Monks are just dead weight.

2. If you are going out with a group you better have rebirth and not a rez sig.

1. Don't beg for compliments if you are a half-decent monk we will let you know.

Celtor Dunough

LOL that's awsome. Agree with it all. Alot of monks think everyone owes them. Sometimes the monk henchies are better.

This is just a spoof/joke of the other thread, yes?

spoof - no.
joke - no.

This is a retort to the arrogance of the other thread.

There are good PUGs and there are bad PUGs. I have had just as many bad monks kill a pug as most other professions... with the exception of W/Mo and recently A/Mo.

So this thread is just a posting on what PUGs dislike about bad PUG Monks.

Perhaps you are taking this all a little too seriously? I read through the other thread and the top 10 points, to me, seemed to be more out of humour. These comments seemed to be out of anger.

Ive met some bad monks...

10 Reasons i hate BAD monks.

10: They act like they can tell you who to kick out of the group, even your guildmates.

9: They spam the monster name currently harrasing them, instead of kiting and drawing its aggro towards the tank.

8: They demand a BiP necro.

7: They refuse to play with Assassins (Even good ones)

6: They refuse to play with Wamos (Even good ones)

5: They dont consider blindness an immediate concern.

4: They die. A lot.

3: They demand compensation for healing.

2: They say they are healer and end up being a smiter (Hey when i smite, ill tell you i smite)

1: They say they are healer and when you pay the Grenth's Voice, they start 55ing and get you killed.

And finally...healing breeze has a time and a place when it can be effective. Just about. Maybe. But spamming it on everyone who looks like they're taking damage is why you have no damn energy, ever! Don't whinge to the group about your energy without considering how to manage it yourself first!

(i do play pve monk among other things, but a lot of GvG means i have a preference for boon prot over normal heal monk...heal spells just feel so slooow after you've gotten used to 1/4 second casts -a little off topic-)

And exactly how do you propose I do that? Out-heal him? I packed a bar full of 8 skills focused on keeping a group alive and killing the enemies. Oh, SNAP! Next time, I'll bring smiting and not tell you that I am not a healing monk, k?

Don't stand in dust trap, mmmkay? You aren't still blind. You are blind again because you didn't move.

QFT.

Having never read the other thread, here are my comments

10. Never really seen a monk trying to sell anything in a pug, it's usually the clueless wammo.

9. Does this refer to pvp or pve? If pve, I've never came across a situation where you had to ball up, or anyone even mentioning it.

8. A heal or prot monk can't do much to "kill it". Good monks know how to kite anyhow.

7. Rebirth in battle shouldn't really be used if you have less than 12 prot. Rez sig is acceptable though. If the monk goes down, the living with rebirth should back out of aggro and start the rez. Usually if a monk ever goes down, rebirthing in battle will only raise their dp.

6. Most of the time, entirely unnecessary, especially in high level areas in pve. If the player in question is kiting effectively or has defensive skills, there shouldn't be any fuss.

5. Some monk builds rely on energy regen skills, but I agree. A monk who needs the party to wait for regen isn't effectively managing their energy.

4. Two monks should be efficient for most pve. A third monk, like a third of any class (do you really need 3 nukers?), means less work for the rest.

3. Don't really see why a monk would get mad (unless they're chest farming or something). They can always join another group.

2. Sometimes a monk should never bring any rez. In unfamiliar high level territory though, rebirth is good, and if the monk doesn't carry it, the players who do should know when to back out of a fight.

1. Never seen this happen either.

Hee hee hee. I was refering to specific times (Avicara mesmers with ineptitude and Forgotten ranger armor guys) when ive been blinded and the monk has it last on his priority list. When i monk, the two things a warrior cannot have is Weakness or Blindness. It makes them utterly useless. Deep wound is kinda ok, bleeding is easy, poison is easy, disease is easy.

Ive played have a W/Mo and a Mo/W, ive felt both sides of both these threads.

So in all of this thread it seems like everyone feels that a W/Mo is ALWAYS retarded.
I don't get it, I mean, I am a good healing and boon/prot monk, AND I am a good w/mo...

So how many people who monk and say shit like "clueless wammo's" have actually played a W/anything?

i would have to AGRRE with BOTH threads

Being a monk and ofcourse a ele/necro/rit/ass/ranger i find both threads have very good points

If i'm monk...i do want people not to run off
a/mo and w/mo are not hard to heal..you just need to know what to do
yes run if your being hit....lose aggro.
etc etc etc etc

If not monk, no i don't need 2 w/mo instead of a/mo and w/mo
you will be told good healing....if you were good
don't TELL me what to do...ask me!
don't ask for a bip then keep pinging your energy ..... twice is enough!
if you say...no bip needed...don't complain about your energy...ask for recharge!

thank you

~Zack~

most of them.
i think everyone has played a warrior at some point

YES! People who actually understand my monk!

I agree to yall wholeheartedly.

Ok.. lets break it down, shall we?

The other thread dealt with why monks hate PUG's. Which means, groups WANTING real monks for specific situations.

This thread talks about why PUG's hate monks. There's something very simple to solve your bitching situation. One word.. henchmen?

You obviously never played a monk. If you have, you would know why some of them actually have to bitch to get some logic flowing through some peoples heads.

That's all I'm saying. Good day.

Oh, yes it is out of anger. I am Angry. I am also a dwarf. Add to that drunk. So I guess you could say I am an Angry Drunk Dwarf who doesn't like PUG Monks.

Seriously...

You should get the aggor off of you or make it so you live through the attacks... and in reality any good Mesmer or Ranger will get the thing dead for you in a heartbeat.

To all the people who didn't get it ... this thread, and the other I hope, were humorous views of the worse of PUGing.

I have met several FANTASTIC W/Mo (two of them later joined my guild).

I have met several FANTASTIC MO/xx (three of them joined my guild).

I have met several FANTASTIC A/Mo (two of them are now in my guild).

There are good players for each class. There are people who are clueless but can learn. There are people who are hopeless.

In all most all the cases of my getting PUGs they had good people.

As for the warrior who is upset... it is not you... but the fact that lost of people played W/Mo and thought themselves invincible only to wipe a party due to consta-aggro syndrome.

C'mon people have a laugh and joke about the "stero-typical" goof in certain professions... Monks and Warriors seem to be the two biggest professions for it -- Due to farming builds and lemmings.

Jas D: I have played a Monk -- through to 20 on three different toon in Prophecies (before it was so easy to change secondaries) -- I know what GOOD monks go through... but I have had some REALLY poor monks destory groups as well.

You're right Cym, however 90% of the PUGs out there are piss poor. Not all PUGs are as good as the [SFK] groups.

I was in a PUG last night in Arborstone with my monk and the 3 melee classes (2 wars, 1 assn) were aggroing 2-3 groups at a time. I was the only monk 'cause the other one dropped (err7, I believe). I was having a hard time keeping up with a group spread out over the space of my minimap.

On the other hand, yeah some monks are just total whiny snobs. Case in point: Anyone who seriously participated in the Monk Protest in THK.

Reminds me of the other day on my N/Mo in Abbadon's Mouth. We got a monk and he tells me to go change to Mesmer secondary so I can echo SS. I tell him it's overrated and not necessary on this map. He tells the group he has a guildie N/Me that they should take over me and that he isn't going unless I either change to Mesmer or they take the guildie. Well... we do nothing and he leaves. Thankfully we found a very cooperative and quiet set of hench monks. We also finished the mission and bonus.

That's the kind of arrogant behavior that drives me nuts. One skill and the guy won't group. Totally crazy...

When I read the title I thought it would just be a nonsence flame about the other thread. It actually makes sence, though. I'll keep this thread open as long as theres no personal flames, etc.

Anyways, PUGs hate some monks and some monks hate PUGs

I play monk alot, almost as much as my ranger and I have to agree more with this thread than the other one because:

Monks overrate themselves, you can do most any tyrian mission without a monk, just have everyone bring self healing and fight smart, it's better to prevent damage than outheal it.

Alot of monks have huge ego problems, they're like I'm so important whatcha gonna do when I leave? (uh, finish the mission, I've done hells with 5 people before).

As with any class there are some monks who're just clueless on how to play them, like wtf are you using healing breeze for when you know theres shatter enchant everywhere?

I can understand how monks get pissed when theres a warrior who won't lay off the frenzy but bitching to the whole group isn't gonna make stuff better, just tell him to chill and if he won't, let him die and quit, chances are he wasn't much of an asset to your team anyway.

Arkantos:

Yeah just double checked the original thread... and it has turned bitter...

This is a humor thread folks... we are talking about the BAD part of the general population... not YOU; well, I hope not you.

If you really want to be adopted Arkantos let me know.

2 things i hate about Monks... They go afk in outposts on purpose just to annoy people. They think they're better than everyone else...

Was in Sunjiang District the other day, 2 monks teamed up to 'create' a party... In reality they teamed up spamming the chat to see how many invites they could get.

Its not that. its just when monks are AFK, people seem to notice more. I go AFK on my monk and i come back and see tons of invites. When my warrior goes afk, no one cares. >.>

Then i get flamed for being ignoring someone when in reality, im in the kitchen making tea. o.o

I dont like monks that leave when they dont think the team will make it, or if they lose a mission once. A disturbing amount of monks seem to be arrogant.

Yeah I don't mind that they go AFK or just hang out...

My favorite monk quotes:

To my battery necro: "Where TF was my BR? I called out my energy twice! How am I supposed to spam Heal Party when it is YOUR fault that I ran out of energy?"

To my orders necro: "Can you not try to sacrifice as much? I'm spending a good bit of energy just trying to heal you. If you cast BR on me more often, that would help."

To a group that died several times due to "late" heals: "Is it my fault you guys didn't bring any candy canes to offset your 60% DP?"

I did meet a monk before with a name along the lines of "AFK at Hells Precipice". i seriously was lmao.

ahahaha, lmao, you've actually had monks say those things? lol omg, that's so terrible it made me laugh. I think the only time I ever asked for a BR was when our whole party was suffering from massive degen, otherwise I don't talk when I'm healing.

Before I started up a necro and didn't know much about their skills, I had a necro say, "STOP healing me, I heal myself!" So I just left them alone after that. Once I started a necro I begain to know what was going on.

The rest we're quite amusing, but these 2. I think your been an ass here. Are you healing them? If i can tell the idiots in front of me to not stand on each others toes vs AoE i will until they get it into there heads. If i could yell at the enemies to stop killing more of my team than i can heal at once i would, but last time i tried they didnt listen.

What skills exactly require you to be in the mix with teh warriors? I don't care if an ele has Pheonix, if he runs into the group while the warriors are getting agro i consider it my right to tell them to stop rushing in, after they have agro its another story.

You'll probably see this one yelled at least twice if i monk a barrage team in FoW.
"STOP SPAMMING BARRAGE WITH SS!"
Guess why? I'm not a huge fan of monking 7 people alone who want to kill themselves and everyone around then faster than God could heal them.
Surprisingly this sorta sense doesn't exist... been an order necro on my last trip we did well, then after we killed 1 group, 4 people had less than 30% health and 1 was dead. You'd think that people would move, did they hell. Shadow Beasts utterly suck unless people do that.

Jetdoc, i feel sorry for you finding monks like that. I really hope your making it up

I think i've had to tell necros to stop giving me BR on several occasions before too. Some of them are up for it too much. *begins casting BR next to me* "My energy is 49 out of 49." If i need it, i'll call for it ok?

You really begin to appreciate Vigorous Spirit after you've just healed someone for 15x5 without doing anything.

i think that alot of the things you said make sense, however, when i play as a monk, usually a bonder, i hate when people dont wait for my bonds, then complain that im not doing anything, and when people complain that i should have healed them, when im a bodner, and i mainly concentrate on condition removal

Don't make me laugh there is no way a Ritualist is good at healing or Protecting as a Monk they don't have a Devine favour.I don't know why you started this thread as you never played the role.

Pff. They are just lurking and waiting for the good groups

I was busy hitting on reject-button few days back while trying to find a PUG doing Master's Award for Raisu Palace...

Sometimes I bring healling breeze just to piss people off.

In any case, when I PUG (I play monk 95% of the time) is to help others considering I am done with all missions and have nothing else to do but pvp.

Be greatful for those who do that

Delete this thread please. it had no original purpose except for obvious and even admittedly labeled flamebait by the OP.

to the OP: what were you trying to garner with making this thread? take out your frustration on the next monk that joins your group, i'm sure they'll be happy to find another group. your ignorant and sweeping generalizations disgust me.

Also had a monk who blamed the Necro for not taking Blood Ritual. In the mission he kept rushing, and he told us: "Follow me and hurry up.. I dont have much time!" then blamed us for rushing when he were low on energy... I just told him to shut the ---- up and then he refused to heal me. No worries, i just stood behind him and used my Longbow(Which he was mad at me for doing, because i should take dmg...)

Also had a monk in Luxon Elite Mission who got mad at me because i were an offensive trapper WHICH HE TOLD ME TO BE. He also got mad because i died: "A trapper should be able to survive without a monk".. Yeah sure i had Dust Trap, but that doesnt really help against Spells, does it?

This monk later left The Deep, because he had to do a Guild Battle(Do i have to mention that he called me a noob, which leaving also is?)

The first two have definitely happened to me - the last I played with the words a bit because the monk PM'ed me asking if he could buy a couple of candy canes from me because his DP was so high and got mad when I told him I wouldn't sell any to him.

Your quote above made me laugh, because a monk in ToPK told me the same thing the other day while I was running orders. I had a "rhythm" going in how I was casting my orders, blood renewal and blood ritual and the monk PMed me saying "stop BRing me so much!" It was the first time I heard a monk tell me that, and it was very much appreciated.

/devils advocate

And how do you know they are good before youve played with them?

And how do you know they are bad? ;D Its hard to run away from a stereotype, no matter how good you are. I was monking in Jing Shea area with an ALL assassin party. It was pretty easy to see who was good, and who had no idea what they were doing. Good thing only had 1 bad assassin, the others were fairly decent and one was spectacular.

I try to give people the benefit of the doubt, but im honest about my analysis after i see them perform (i stopped healing the sin that kept dying, i just let him die and ressed him after each mob died).

Im just saying my list...PUGS dont like monks who dont give them a chance and judge them just based on their profession.

4 Points of View from my 4 characters:

Chanti Beppu Mo/R: 10. Trying to sell weapons to other party members isn't a "monk only" thing. 9. There's a huge differenct between "stay together" and "stay in a ball." I've never seen anyone ask for the second! 8. That's wrong on two levels. First, the Monk shouldn't be talking when under attack, they should be kiting to get the aggro off them. And Second, I'm a Healer / Protector what exactly am I supposed to kill him with? 7. Ever hear of Rez sigs? Rebirth shouldn't be used in the heat of battle by anyone! It's not designed for that. Rebirth is best used after RETREATING out of the fight and then pulling the dead guys up and back with you. 6. I can only think of Assasins as having any need to run into the the thick of things with the Warriors - but even they shouldn't stick around too much. 5. Yes, energy managemet is important, but there is such a thing as "to much aggro." 4. Are you talking about PUGS? If so HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! 3. When do Monks NOT get invites? 2. Yep, and the other members should have a rez sig. 1. I already know I'm a halfway decent monk, lack of affirmation doesn't bother me.

edit: For you Necros who do that battery thing, Thank you very much! I don't want to be one to become dependent on you, but I do appreciate the help!

Dora Explora: W/* 10. My weapon is as good (if not better than) as anything you have to sell me, so SHUT UP. 9. I'm not stupid enough to run off on my own, but having everyone else up around me is just them asking for trouble! Warriors up front, rangers & casters a bit back, and Monks - just close enough to reach everyone with their heals. 8. I'm kinda busy up in the front lines, don't ask me to come running back to save you, that'll just bring more crap to you - get an Ele or Ranger to help out. 7. As Warrior, I should be the one buying time for people to get the hell out of there if things go to crap so whoever survives can safely rez the dead people out of harms way. 6. Why the hell does an Ele need to get up close? Seen that so many time I wanna puke! 5. I could care less if my adrenaline fades out, I use both adrenal and energy skills, makes me a bit more effective . 4. What Chanti said! But NO ONE needs 3 monks in their party. 3. Only time I see monks as dead weight is when I'm out solo farming. Then, everyone else is dead weight. 2. Damn right! I've got a rez sig for people who die in battle (including you, monk!) 1. Yep, and I won't forget to thank the rest of the team, either - If they're good.

Cora Explora R/*: 10. Enough said. 9. I've never heard the "Stay in a ball" thing, either - if I do, I'll know I'm dealing with a n00b. 8. If you need to scrape a baddie off you, use one of my spirits! If there isn't one, I can take the beating a bit better than you. 7. I'll sacrifice myself so the guys with rebirth can get out of their, too. 6. You KNOW Dora wasn't gonna mention Rangers that do this! We'd be having words! But, unless you're a trapper, rangers have no business up there! 5. Everyone should learn energy management, then them Wammos wouldn't be whining when their adrenaline runs out between fights. 4. 1 Prot + 1 heal monk = ample insurance for a good group's success! 3. Don't get me started on "dead weight" - MM's in Hell's precipice are dead weight. Freeloaders of ANY class are dead weight. 2. I carry my Rez, you keep healing. 1. No-one is soley responsible for a PUG's success, but it only takes one to really make life a pain.

Ahndia Beppu Me/*: 9. I'll hang out with ya, I'm good like that. 8. Don't sweat it, my Monk friend! What those knothead Wammos let get by won't like what I've got waiting for them! 7. Discretion is the better part of valor, if it get's down to 1 or 2 backline guys - RUNNNNN! (then use rebirth when things settle down) 6. I'm not running up into that mess! I've got nice armor, and I don't want to get it soiled or torn. 5. You're not alone with the energy managemet issue. Fortunately, I've got a skill or two that helps me out. 4. Who's this "We?" If you're talking about your guild group, then yeah you may be. If you're talking about a random PUG, are you kidding? 3. MONKS complain about this? If I ever see that, I'll give them hell! You wanna talk about having a hard time getting into a group? TALK TO ME! There's so many morons out there that haven't got a clue about how much havoc I raise with the enemies while in the midst of battle. And why is that? because my spells don't have any shiny, flashy effects like them ele's got. And then when I DO get in a group, half the time I run into a Wammo who spams "I've got Sympathetic Visage" on me!" NO KIDDING! I put it on you! See all of those little purple -3's flying off the baddies by you? that's them losing energy every time you take a hit! (they also lose that precious adrenaline that you're so hopped up on.) 2. Us non-monk casters should be the first ones to use our Rez sigs, rbirth shouldn't be used by anyone in the middle of a fight (talk about bad energy management!). 1. Not all Monks are prima-donnas, Chanti could give a fig whether a successful team thanks her for her healing. She figures that's what she's there to do.

He didn't suggest that I shake aggro, which I happen to do quite well, tyvm. He told us in his lovely little list to quit bitching and kill it. Simply not possible with 8 healing/condition removal/hex removal/emanagement skills. There's nothing offensive or damage dealing on my skill bar when I heal or prot. That's ok though. I'm going all smite next time a group blind-invites me.