Well, its pretty obvious that the fortune teller plays a MAJOR role in the factions story.
Anyways, Why is this fortune teller? obviously she had the power to make Shiro believe the emperor was going to kill him. Was she telling the truth, or is their a dark secret about her? Did she have something against the royal family? Did she want the emperor dead?
Who Is The Fortune Teller?
Arkantos
MaglorD
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Well, its pretty obvious that the fortune teller plays a MAJOR role in the factions story.
Anyways, Why is this fortune teller? obviously she had the power to make Shiro believe the emperor was going to kill him. Was she telling the truth, or is their a dark secret about her? Did she have something against the royal family? Did she want the emperor dead? |
Avarre
My view is she was simply an accurate fortune teller. The FT is a 'flat' character that is used to help show us more about Shiro.
I belive completely that the prediction that the emperor would try to kill him was correct. However, it was self-fulfilling. We already know the emperor could not have killed shiro himself (or why need him as a guard?). He would have had his entourage do something about it.
By killing the emperor, the champions had an excuse to kill him. This brought the prediction true as the minions of the emperor killed shiro. This is one of the reasons prophecy is so stupid, many are meant to be heard so that they will come about.
The pivotal character in the whole flashback sequence is Shiro himself, who makes all the decisions. Everything else seems already decided for him, hence the reasons he goes back to the fortune teller. I doubt she was lying to him in any way, as I said before. The flashback gives us a good view about Shiro's irrationality and aggressiveness.
We still don't know what the change of plans was in the Harvest temple. Personally I doubt it was to kill him, the 4 ritualists didn't stand a chance against him and the emperor is hardly that much of a fighter. If shiro did nothing, it is possible the prediction would have simply passed without having effect, or another situation would have arisen. Remember that Shiro is the most powerful of the canthan soldiers, he would likely have smashed his way out of the temple if it was not for Vizu hitting him from behind.
To conclude : the fortune teller was just a random person, a flat character to develop a story without developing, who wished to tell Shiro's fortune because that was the best fortune to be told. Since she can perceive the future, she was probably of the attitude to tell people about it ("Hey, I know what's gonna happen to you!"). Shiro just got pwned by a self-fulfilling prophecy, fueled by his own paranoia (and he's not exactly the smartest person anyway).
I belive completely that the prediction that the emperor would try to kill him was correct. However, it was self-fulfilling. We already know the emperor could not have killed shiro himself (or why need him as a guard?). He would have had his entourage do something about it.
By killing the emperor, the champions had an excuse to kill him. This brought the prediction true as the minions of the emperor killed shiro. This is one of the reasons prophecy is so stupid, many are meant to be heard so that they will come about.
The pivotal character in the whole flashback sequence is Shiro himself, who makes all the decisions. Everything else seems already decided for him, hence the reasons he goes back to the fortune teller. I doubt she was lying to him in any way, as I said before. The flashback gives us a good view about Shiro's irrationality and aggressiveness.
We still don't know what the change of plans was in the Harvest temple. Personally I doubt it was to kill him, the 4 ritualists didn't stand a chance against him and the emperor is hardly that much of a fighter. If shiro did nothing, it is possible the prediction would have simply passed without having effect, or another situation would have arisen. Remember that Shiro is the most powerful of the canthan soldiers, he would likely have smashed his way out of the temple if it was not for Vizu hitting him from behind.
To conclude : the fortune teller was just a random person, a flat character to develop a story without developing, who wished to tell Shiro's fortune because that was the best fortune to be told. Since she can perceive the future, she was probably of the attitude to tell people about it ("Hey, I know what's gonna happen to you!"). Shiro just got pwned by a self-fulfilling prophecy, fueled by his own paranoia (and he's not exactly the smartest person anyway).
Arkantos
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(and he's not exactly the smartest person anyway).
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anyways, your definition of the FT sounds pretty accurate 
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Originally Posted by MaglorD
Dunno but the emperor also looked evil with eye shadow and black lipstick...
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Avarre
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Not many assassins are too smart
anyways, your definition of the FT sounds pretty accurate |
He was appointed as a bodyguard (tank) to the emperor... who tells him in teh cutscene 'arise warrior, and take your place as my personal bodyguard.' He was a soldier in the army, walks straight without hiding, and stands out. Plus he talks like a neanderthal... warrior for sure!
Chicken Ftw
She is obviously Rurik's mother. Horrible outfit, cheesy lines, general uselessness other than cutscene filler, doesn't use mending to save her... fails at life. Yep, Rurik's mother.
lightblade
The typical "beware the ides of march" Shakespeare style
And also, Shiro is definitely N/W:
1. He uses soul reaping (Necromancer primary only) in the cinematic.
2. He have scar on his face. (Again, necromancer primary only)
3. His death wail can be a bigger version of the skill Wail of Doom (Also Soul Reaping Attribute)
4. He use raise dead (the afflicted).
5. He uses 2 sword, but swing only one of them. He never swing the sword on his left hand. The animation of his sword swinging resembles the animation of sword swinging and not dagger stabbing.
So, you can debate whether he's a warrior or an assassin, but he's definitely necromancer primary
And also, Shiro is definitely N/W:
1. He uses soul reaping (Necromancer primary only) in the cinematic.
2. He have scar on his face. (Again, necromancer primary only)
3. His death wail can be a bigger version of the skill Wail of Doom (Also Soul Reaping Attribute)
4. He use raise dead (the afflicted).
5. He uses 2 sword, but swing only one of them. He never swing the sword on his left hand. The animation of his sword swinging resembles the animation of sword swinging and not dagger stabbing.
So, you can debate whether he's a warrior or an assassin, but he's definitely necromancer primary
Avarre
...cough.
He absorbs the emperor's power, doesn't gain energy points from his death. Vizu also absorbed the power of spirits in Tahnnakai temple mission. It's the power of the character, not a set of the 'class', which npcs don't always have to follow. You can't move only within character classes because a), there are non-aligned people in the world of the game, and b) you require the blessing of a god to become a caster. Anyways, the absorbtion is blue, if anything it was a ritualist skill.
Scars on your face mean nothing. He's a soldier in an arrmy, you can get scars. Necromancers scar themselves in patterns to provide power, but that means nothing for people who actually get scars the normal way.
His death wail was the expended power he took over being released. Similar to ether prodigy ending, in a bigger way. It doesn't align to a class. He never uses a spell at any point in the game, besides his envoy capabilities.
The afflicted mutate as a side effect from his presence, they aren't raised from the dead. This is mentioned. He also binds souls using his capabilities as an Envoy of the Rift to create the Shiro'ken and constructs. Nothing to do with necromancy... Emmissary Heleyne (sp) is an Elementalist.
Irrelevant, but he does use both during the cinematic and the effects of the second are felt when he uses his skills in Sanctum.
What does that make Kuunavang... some twisted offspring of Glint and Rurik? The horror!!!1
He absorbs the emperor's power, doesn't gain energy points from his death. Vizu also absorbed the power of spirits in Tahnnakai temple mission. It's the power of the character, not a set of the 'class', which npcs don't always have to follow. You can't move only within character classes because a), there are non-aligned people in the world of the game, and b) you require the blessing of a god to become a caster. Anyways, the absorbtion is blue, if anything it was a ritualist skill.
Scars on your face mean nothing. He's a soldier in an arrmy, you can get scars. Necromancers scar themselves in patterns to provide power, but that means nothing for people who actually get scars the normal way.
His death wail was the expended power he took over being released. Similar to ether prodigy ending, in a bigger way. It doesn't align to a class. He never uses a spell at any point in the game, besides his envoy capabilities.
The afflicted mutate as a side effect from his presence, they aren't raised from the dead. This is mentioned. He also binds souls using his capabilities as an Envoy of the Rift to create the Shiro'ken and constructs. Nothing to do with necromancy... Emmissary Heleyne (sp) is an Elementalist.
Irrelevant, but he does use both during the cinematic and the effects of the second are felt when he uses his skills in Sanctum.
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She is obviously Rurik's mother. Horrible outfit, cheesy lines, general uselessness other than cutscene filler, doesn't use mending to save her... fails at life. Yep, Rurik's mother.
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What does that make Kuunavang... some twisted offspring of Glint and Rurik? The horror!!!1
I love coffee
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The typical "beware the eye of march" Shakespeare style
And also, Shiro is definitely N/W: 1. He uses soul reaping (Necromancer primary only) in the cinematic. 2. He have scar on his face. (Again, necromancer primary only) 3. His death wail can be a bigger version of the skill Wail of Doom (Also Soul Reaping Attribute) 4. He use raise dead (the afflicted). 5. He uses 2 sword, but swing only one of them. He never swing the sword on his left hand. The animation of his sword swinging resembles the animation of sword swinging and not dagger stabbing. So, you can debate whether he's a warrior or an assassin, but he's definitely necromancer primary |
1st, he wield a dual wep, which is for assin
2nd, he use soul reaping like u say
3nd, he laugh like a war laugh so his prim is not nec,( one of the mission/quest/ after u finsih, u c too person walking togetehr and then got kill, then shiro turn them in to aritifict and then watch closely has the way he laugh...)
i think he is a triple class
W/A/N
jsut a thought
Wrath Of Dragons
fortune teller = glint.
saw this explination on another thread, have been convinced ever since.
think about it. glint is involved in everything, and even has a penchant for prophecies--(the whole "Flameseeker Prophecies")
saw this explination on another thread, have been convinced ever since.
think about it. glint is involved in everything, and even has a penchant for prophecies--(the whole "Flameseeker Prophecies")
Avarre
You have a point... prophetic, meddling, worst voice acting ever... its a possibility!
SnipiousMax
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The flashback gives us a good view about Shiro's irrationality and aggressiveness.
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Hardly an innocent victim in some sinister plot.
Sol_Vie
Well this is sort of off topic, but I've been wanting to show this. I didn't find this particular Factions trailer until a week or so ago and I loved it.
http://www.gametrailers.com/player.p...pe=wmv&pl=game
It shows a more detailed encounter of the assassination.
I think the idea of the FT being Glint is interesting, but I don't think that's the case.
And Elder Rhea's voice acting is far worse. She sounds like one of those 80 year old women you find in Vegas at a slot machine smoking 13 cigarettes at once.
http://www.gametrailers.com/player.p...pe=wmv&pl=game
It shows a more detailed encounter of the assassination.
I think the idea of the FT being Glint is interesting, but I don't think that's the case.
And Elder Rhea's voice acting is far worse. She sounds like one of those 80 year old women you find in Vegas at a slot machine smoking 13 cigarettes at once.
Avarre
Elder Rhea's voice is still better than Kuunavang's.
Kuunavang is fortune teller x danika x glint. The only genetic way such an abomination could be created was the offspring of rurik and glint, raised by danika and elder rhea as a couple, with the fortune teller as their ancestor.
I wish people would stop calling the murder of the emperor an assassination... it wasn't. It was a straight out murder. Assassinations for one are premeditated, whereas Shiro made the decision then and there to kill him. They also imply some sort of covert entry or concealment of weapons. Shiro always has his swords out, he just decided to use them. Second-degree murder/regicide, not assassination!
Kuunavang is fortune teller x danika x glint. The only genetic way such an abomination could be created was the offspring of rurik and glint, raised by danika and elder rhea as a couple, with the fortune teller as their ancestor.
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Rhedd
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The typical "beware the eye of march" Shakespeare style
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Sorry, but it took me seven posts to stop laughing before I could post. :P
It's, "beware the IDES of March."
Ides
pl.n. (used with a sing. or pl. verb)
The 15th day of March, May, July, or October or the 13th day of the other months in the ancient Roman calendar.
lightblade
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Oh noez! The eye of March!!!
Sorry, but it took me seven posts to stop laughing before I could post. :P It's, "beware the IDES of March." Ides pl.n. (used with a sing. or pl. verb) The 15th day of March, May, July, or October or the 13th day of the other months in the ancient Roman calendar. |
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capblueberry
I dont know who she is but i think her voice is insanely annoying, sounds like a women version of John Wayne
Crazyvietguy
Omg Is It Gwen!?!?!?!? :d
MrGuildBoi
This is the fortune teller...
Ristaron
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And Elder Rhea's voice acting is far worse. She sounds like one of those 80 year old women you find in Vegas at a slot machine smoking 13 cigarettes at once.
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I love coffee
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Dark Suoon
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And Elder Rhea's voice acting is far worse. She sounds like one of those 80 year old women you find in Vegas at a slot machine smoking 13 cigarettes at once.
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DarthLasing
continuing the fight of shiro's profession...
couldnt he be a A/W?
in the cinematic you see him absorb some form of energy
but the assasins primary is "Crtitical Strikes"
and whenever you hit a critical strike you gain energy, so that could have been energy.
Or im completely wrong, because of assasin getting a good hit makes them feel better
so then it could be a N/A/W, A/N/W....it just keeps going
couldnt he be a A/W?
in the cinematic you see him absorb some form of energy
but the assasins primary is "Crtitical Strikes"
and whenever you hit a critical strike you gain energy, so that could have been energy.
Or im completely wrong, because of assasin getting a good hit makes them feel better
so then it could be a N/A/W, A/N/W....it just keeps going
Fluffyx
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Ok fine, I edited that part.
We shouldn't judge an NPC's class by their animation. You ever notice Danika the monk of kurzick is using elementist's animation? But she's a monk! So animation doesn't proof anything. Shiro is necro primary. |
PS: The seer is by far the worst voice I've ever heard. When people dont skip that I start to claw out my ears. :]
Avarre
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Did you ever stop and think maybe he doesnt have a class like us? I mean whats next you're going to say glint is an ele? He does not use any skills that are available to any class, therefore he is not a playable class. Its that simple seriously! D:
PS: The seer is by far the worst voice I've ever heard. When people dont skip that I start to claw out my ears. :] |
tuperwho
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Omg Is It Gwen!?!
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gobla
It's the emperor's girlfriend
DUH!
she want's the emperor dead, what better way to do it?
why?
well let's sum up the motives she has:
1. the emperor is wearing a friggin dress, who wants a boyfriend like that?
2. the emperor is going into a temple alone with 4 half-naked ritualists, the way she looks she can't handle that competition.
3. the standard heritage thingy she gets, she prolly didn't count on getting killed. But hey, she doesnt appear to be that smart.
4. She's obvioulsy a necrophile seeing as she looks the same as that necromancer trainer, no doubt bout that.
So question answered, it the emperor his girlfriend!
DUH!
she want's the emperor dead, what better way to do it?
why?
well let's sum up the motives she has:
1. the emperor is wearing a friggin dress, who wants a boyfriend like that?
2. the emperor is going into a temple alone with 4 half-naked ritualists, the way she looks she can't handle that competition.
3. the standard heritage thingy she gets, she prolly didn't count on getting killed. But hey, she doesnt appear to be that smart.
4. She's obvioulsy a necrophile seeing as she looks the same as that necromancer trainer, no doubt bout that.
So question answered
, it the emperor his girlfriend!
Arkantos
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It's the emperor's girlfriend
DUH! she want's the emperor dead, what better way to do it? why? well let's sum up the motives she has: 1. the emperor is wearing a friggin dress, who wants a boyfriend like that? 2. the emperor is going into a temple alone with 4 half-naked ritualists, the way she looks she can't handle that competition. 3. the standard heritage thingy she gets, she prolly didn't count on getting killed. But hey, she doesnt appear to be that smart. 4. She's obvioulsy a necrophile seeing as she looks the same as that necromancer trainer, no doubt bout that. So question answered , it the emperor his girlfriend! |
LMAO.
So true
bringer di morte
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It's the emperor's girlfriend
DUH! she want's the emperor dead, what better way to do it? why? well let's sum up the motives she has: 1. the emperor is wearing a friggin dress, who wants a boyfriend like that? 2. the emperor is going into a temple alone with 4 half-naked ritualists, the way she looks she can't handle that competition. 3. the standard heritage thingy she gets, she prolly didn't count on getting killed. But hey, she doesnt appear to be that smart. 4. She's obvioulsy a necrophile seeing as she looks the same as that necromancer trainer, no doubt bout that. So question answered , it the emperor his girlfriend! |
xiao1985
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It's the emperor's girlfriend
DUH! she want's the emperor dead, what better way to do it? why? well let's sum up the motives she has: 1. the emperor is wearing a friggin dress, who wants a boyfriend like that? 2. the emperor is going into a temple alone with 4 half-naked ritualists, the way she looks she can't handle that competition. 3. the standard heritage thingy she gets, she prolly didn't count on getting killed. But hey, she doesnt appear to be that smart. 4. She's obvioulsy a necrophile seeing as she looks the same as that necromancer trainer, no doubt bout that. So question answered , it the emperor his girlfriend! |
u can prolly add she's an ex, so wanting revenge LOL
fiery
I think she sounds like that black seer in Charmed.
ChaoticCoyote
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Well, its pretty obvious that the fortune teller plays a MAJOR role in the factions story.
Anyways, Why is this fortune teller? obviously she had the power to make Shiro believe the emperor was going to kill him. Was she telling the truth, or is their a dark secret about her? Did she have something against the royal family? Did she want the emperor dead? |
Hypernecrofear
I think Shiro is a N/A/W/Mo/Ele/Rt/R/Mes. Its perfectly logical in every sense available. And Gwen is his secret lover....her mom in the UW....shes looking for Gwen. Little does she know that she is in Cantha wanting to get it on with Shiro. She wanted the Emperor dead so Shiro would rebound with her....it makes perfect sense.
heist23
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Originally Posted by Wrath Of Dragons
fortune teller = glint.
saw this explination on another thread, have been convinced ever since. think about it. glint is involved in everything, and even has a penchant for prophecies--(the whole "Flameseeker Prophecies") |
Ms. Fortune Teller also told her prophecies 200 years ago.
i think ANet's getting redundant. or i'm wrong. :P
Haung Yu
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My view is she was simply an accurate fortune teller. The FT is a 'flat' character that is used to help show us more about Shiro.
I belive completely that the prediction that the emperor would try to kill him was correct. However, it was self-fulfilling. We already know the emperor could not have killed shiro himself (or why need him as a guard?). He would have had his entourage do something about it. By killing the emperor, the champions had an excuse to kill him. This brought the prediction true as the minions of the emperor killed shiro. This is one of the reasons prophecy is so stupid, many are meant to be heard so that they will come about. The pivotal character in the whole flashback sequence is Shiro himself, who makes all the decisions. Everything else seems already decided for him, hence the reasons he goes back to the fortune teller. I doubt she was lying to him in any way, as I said before. The flashback gives us a good view about Shiro's irrationality and aggressiveness. We still don't know what the change of plans was in the Harvest temple. Personally I doubt it was to kill him, the 4 ritualists didn't stand a chance against him and the emperor is hardly that much of a fighter. If shiro did nothing, it is possible the prediction would have simply passed without having effect, or another situation would have arisen. Remember that Shiro is the most powerful of the canthan soldiers, he would likely have smashed his way out of the temple if it was not for Vizu hitting him from behind. To conclude : the fortune teller was just a random person, a flat character to develop a story without developing, who wished to tell Shiro's fortune because that was the best fortune to be told. Since she can perceive the future, she was probably of the attitude to tell people about it ("Hey, I know what's gonna happen to you!"). Shiro just got pwned by a self-fulfilling prophecy, fueled by his own paranoia (and he's not exactly the smartest person anyway). |
snikerz
yes the FT perdicted that the emperor was going to kill him but she obviously forgot to press rewind on that little crystal ball of hers lol
she didnt do a very good job of telling him why, she forgot to tell him that the emperor was lying dead on the floor.
the emperor wasnt really going to kill him, it just so happened that the FT only forseen the part where his goons were gonna kill shiro
so is the FT entirely accurante....... no
she didnt do a very good job of telling him why, she forgot to tell him that the emperor was lying dead on the floor.
the emperor wasnt really going to kill him, it just so happened that the FT only forseen the part where his goons were gonna kill shiro
so is the FT entirely accurante....... no
Markaedw
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The assassin (vizu) was there for a reason. Since she seems to be the only person who can kill Shiro, the Emperor organised for her to come to the Harvest Ceremony and kill Shiro inside the temple. The only problem is that the Emperor wasn't aware of Shiro's encounter with the fortune teller. By the time Vizu arrived, the Emperor was already dead.
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Frankly I don't think the Eperer ever intended to kill Shiro. If the fortune teller was any good she would be on a retainer for some rich guy.
If I'm worried about my body guard, am I going to attend a ceremony behind locked doors with just a few rits to protect me? No. If I need to kill one of the kindom's most respected/feared assassins, I'm either going to; kill him in his sleep, bring him to the ceremony in chains, or send him on "one last job".
The seer just interpreted things wrong.
SonofGrenth
The fortune teller is Gwen....evil
Rogier
shiro is obviously a warrior, in the movie you can see his is using 1000x hundred blades.... and offcourse hes necro so that makes him W/A/N
Arkantos
Shiro is shiro, I dont think you can describe him as a primary.