Seriously, whats up w/ the drop assignments? anyone figure it out?

I know of about 2 or 3 people I know personally that gets tremendous drops, I mean a green on their first one and golds just by being in the group CONSISTENTLY. They play about the same amount of time, maybe slightly less and their ingame luck is just crazy. Example, I have killed wing 3 blade about 3-7 times w/ no drop solo, friend does it 1 time and get it, and along the way, enemies were fighting themselves and drop 2 golds for him while he was passing by :\

It has left me wondering, what is up w/ that? is there some kind of change people observed in drop rate assignment based on how long you've been away from the game or how much gold you've made? He plays moderately, he has 1300hrs in about 1 year(or close) while I have 1575hrs in 13 months(1yr 1mth). I have alot of characters I play and i always use to farm w/ my 55 monk, which I don't do anymore as of late.

I was away from the game for about 1 month before due to getting sick of it then coming back and I noticed no change in my drop rate when I got back, it was still below average Thats 1 full month of not playing and nothing :\
Although I would like to note that my drop quality in chest have been decent, like 1 out of every 25-30 gold chest produces sweet items(atleast at this point I call it decent). I would like to know if a test can be done about this. Like people staying away from the game for a certain time and come back to see what has improved.

Maybe people can help w/ this, try this: Farm a certain place and observe your drop quality or a place where you come across a boss and see if he drops something for you. Then try not playing for like a day or 2(which is convenient if you work weekends all day like me) and go again to see if there are improvements in game quality. This test is specifically for people w/ terrible luck, so F off to the people who get like 10 shards a spider run and gold items the moment they load on a map

This thread was made after a fried of mine w/ even more terrible luck than I went to clear the map w/ henchies and came across 8 chest, all were purple. This is also a guy who when we find a gold chest, gets only amber weapons while everyone else gets dragon schythes, gothic axe, defenders etc....(I get either amber staff or 1/20 chance to get the latter, although mostly staves ) He was so pissed he nearly rage quit, and by quit, I mean deleting the game. I just don't understand how the drop quality is so bad for other people while others just get everything, I mean Anet always doing updates on making everyone equal, whats up w/ this?

dang I'm not the only one suffering from bad drop rates or bad drop quality
you thought that was bad? had like over 10 purples in a row from forbidden chests...
I'll try do a test of this on another account

So umm your complaining about good items droping? Heh to me this is a welcomed change to me going over a certain place with a fine toothed comb and getting scrap materials and common junk. I like the whole capitalizing on groups that are fighting each other and killing the ones that are left standing. makes it interesting and also this just makes so we the players do not have to pay jimbo the rare hog 100K+ for something he has stockpiled. and as with your terrible luck thats just it LUCK sometimes you get what you want and sometimes you dont its all up to a coin toss most of the time. so you might give a thumbs down but i give it TWO WAY UP...

lol
I'm assuming you're pretty lucky then

Wyld card's post was pretty off 0_o who's complaining about good items dropping? we're talking about why some people's luck come from the bowels of hell while others are delivered on silver outlined gold plate by God himself. It just seems odd that certain account keys were made to junk and others a golden ticket. I just don't get where in a game where updates are made all the fricken time to make the average joe get the luxury shmoe items relatively easily while 2 people who started at the same time; 1 gets 10 purples in a row and the other makes 10 mill off 10 drops(exaggeration but it happens). Supposedly they say luck is random, so in a random chance, atleast the other guy should've gotten some stuff, seems like the farming code is always on for alot of people whether they do or not, while others are always just started the game drops mode.

I think it is somehow biased. A variable linked to an account when it is made known as "luck". The lucky ones who get all the drops have a high number and those who don't have a low number. Thats the only way i can explain it. I found it to be like this months ago. I know some people with very high drop rates while mine and many other peoples drop rates are low. I even noticed it with chests. I went solo chest running(to get lvl 1 treasure hunter title) and out of 100 chests i got about 7 golds(most were jade wands). A friend of mine did the same and out of about 30 he got 20 golds(most were bows/swords/shields).

I also think it is somehow biased. I'm one of the more luckier people. Basically everywhere i go, gold items drop left and right. Think along the lines of getting all 5 Green Items that have dropped during a SF run or collect rare items, even while simply henching around.

The quantity of this simply proves that it can't be pure luck but instead something else. It can't be the Anti Farm Code either because i've simply perma farmed some areas for several hours a day sometimes. So it's either some bug in the system that some are favored over others or pure intention.

I once did a test with someone else about going in a normal mission, completing it and then afterwards analyzing the items. Turns out that i got the majority of the items instead of it being a clean 100/Partymember Number, it was 50 % of the items went to me with two partymembers almost getting nothing. Could be coincidence... but we started that test because we allways thought that i would be getting more than others and - better items than others.

The drop assignment system is run by a drunker chimpanzee smoking weed.
Aka, it's crap.

No.. how about you read his post.

I'm not much of the lucky ones for chests and drops and stuff... But, when it comes to greens im swimming in them. Its not the point that im lucky its just i solo everything possible. I do think its luck because when i go for minotaurs and stuff with my 55 i usually dont get good drops. But when i Strongroot farm i get a Strongroot's Shelter every 2nd-3rd run through.

There is something off kilter about the drops and items from chests. One guildie keeps getting frost artifacts from chests (in Tyria AND Cantha, no matter the area) and during missions there seems to be a 65-75% chance that if a gold item drops another certain guildie will get it. There is a mob in Hot Springs my husband can regularly get a gold off of, but when I kill them Im lucky to get a blue or purple. Its odd to say the least.

I'm one of the few with terrible luck. In 13 months of playing (about 1300 hours) I have yet to recieve a black dye drop, never had a gold drop (not counting chests, which I always get a staff with 3 different attributes on it making it worthless), and the drops I do recieve are all worthless frost artifacts or jeweled chakrams. Just yesterday while I was getting my Canthan Warrior infused, 2 black dyes dropped for the same person...I stick with that group and do Thunderhead and guess what, he gets another black dye and 2 golds, one of which being a perfect sword. Now I have had a few greens drop for me aka Wings Axe and the Stonereaper but that is only after I killed Craw Stonereap exactly 83 times solo on my necro. I suppose I did get lucky on Wing's Axe though because it dropped in a fully henched group when I went to cap triple chop.

Overall, something is weird about the drop system. I honestly believe that there is no wayin hell that the system is random.

crap I tested this and my other account is freaken lucky
maybe I should quit playing my main account, have a friend trade my stuff to my other account, start working from the absolute beginning lol with that much luck.
WTF really I do think the luck being assigned to certain accounts might hold true here...
question is should I?

I know what you mean. One guy I know always gets amazing drops from chests. Granted, he has 3 accounts and like 16 characters.
Well, I'm not playing now for a while (due to loss of high speed net connection). I'll be back playing in about 2 months. Maybe then I'll see if that "time spent away" thing is true. /me crosses his fingers that it is

3 accounts with total of 16 characters?
let me guess 2 accounts with both chapters
and one that only has 1 eh?
at least that person will never have to worry about what to spend cash on

Maybe some of you experience this too. On my main accountif I ID a gold on my monk it is while hexed or under 50% everytime. And on my necro its always while enchanted. my other 2 chars on that account id fairly. In the 13 months ive played I have yet to ID a perfect weapon. I always seem to get the exact opposite of the profession i ID it with

My other account is the opposite. if I need an enchanted weapon I ID on monk,^50 on my ranger, in stance with my war weird but I can ID the mods I need if I switch around stuff from chars and accounts


And eve I have 3 accounts as you described above lol

The time away thing isn't true because I took a 3 month break and when I returned I was still getting @#%*@*& frost artifacts. lol

Just got Rotscale's Bow twice in a row. Gave the second one away though, since we were in the same pug twice, thought it would be the right thing to do.

Heh... You think thats bad, I must have killed Sskai dragons birth like 30 times... you guessed it, no sword. I've given up on that, it didnt look that cool anyway >_>

I'm going to put my faith in mathematics and say it will all average out over time. However, I have felt "unlucky" at times and felt like I was going through a dry spell.

At some point I was farming Rajazan for his sword. On the third run I got the sword. This drop came on the heels of a bunch of other green drops that I was getting. So I decided that luck was favoring me so I'd solo Rajazan some more and make a killing with his nice +5e/20% enchant sword. Well guess what? I solo'd that bum over 100 more times (over the period of a week) and he never dropped again. I basically gave up and felt that my luck had played out.

Then a week later I decide to do one more run on a lark just to see if I'm still "unlucky." Bam! The sword drops on the first try.

Now I've gone and solo'd a bunch of other bosses and haven't had to wait more than 5 runs to get a green drop. I've also been soloing in The Falls for the Totem Axe and have gotten a ton of them. (They may be dropping more frequently than normal for everyone.) I've also gotten a bunch of gold drops from the monsters in The Falls.

So am I lucky? No, I don't think so at all. I think it's just the law of averages. Over time I've had the same luck as anyone else who's played as much as me. I don't seem to have an unlucky character either.

One thing I do agree with though... my Ranger gets lot's of caster items, while my Monk and Necro get a lot of swords and bows. This may be ANet's way of encoraging trade between players.

Cheers!

A long long time ago, when I still worked as a low level tier one in the thankless and hellish world of isp technical support, we used to get some real asshats calling in about this, and that. People who really pissed us off, so to say. We would help them with their problem, smile, thank them for their continued business, hang up the phone and then log into the particular equipment the customer seemed to be having troubles with, you know, to make sure they were connected right, packets sending back and forth...

And then promptly choke their connection and kick them off again.

Made any enemies at AN lately? =P~

I don't think accounts are considered "lucky" and "unlucky" but I believe that drops are based on where you kill an enemy. I figure all the zones are divided into a grid of squares, all enemies have predetermined drops that they will drop depending on what part of the grid they are in.

So a monster could drop a vial of black dye in let's say A15 while in C3 he might drop 20g. So if you kill enemies in a certain way maybe that way isn't to great for the drop system. For example maybe charging in head on everytime seems to give you bad drops. Well maybe pulling them out towards you would give you better drops (switching up the sectors the enemies dye in [different drops])

idk but i doubt anet would pull a lucky unlucky account thing, that's just wrong!

Anti-farming code at work... Actually i think it is incredibly stupid. I've killed Urgoz like 15 times now and haven't gotten any of his bows or even a single gold item that would be worth trying to sell, yet people who been basically dragged by their hair thru the whole place by the core of the group (often being afk half way and doing various noob things) getting greens and everything on first run.
Ya-ya, I know... go farm another place for a while, bla bla bla... That is not the point! Why should I go somewhere else if here is where I want to be now? Why should I waste my time on crawling thru missions I've done already? Or why should I work hard to basically give stuff away to people who did not deserve it?
Why cant ANet just let me do what I want? When I'm done with it I will switch to something else, but right now this is what I'm interested in... why should I be punished for that?
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drops are 100% completely random....... no more, no less, don't think too much into it.

Although I myself have never felt this way, possibly because I hench everything and don't get to see what drops for other people, I used to know someone who considered himself to be perenially screwed by the drop system. Tons of SF runs, no greens, practically no golds ever, not a single black dye, etc. etc -- I'm sure you know the deal.


I know, law of averages and stuff, but I'm not certain I buy that. In a system where the gears and cogs are all hidden from us such huge discrepancies should be given consideration.

Threads like these are posted all the time, and every time the same thing happens. Half of the people type up their bad luck experiences, the other half explain their theory of the drop system. Part of the problem is that people easily forget the good drops, choosing to remember the bad drops. Now, I can't assure you the drops are actually random, but let me tell you this:

I don't worry about it.

Any testing done is pretty irrelevant considering the amount of different variables that need to be controlled. To find any serious proof of a flaw in the drop system would require thousands of hours of testing with near uncontrollable variables. My advice is to just play the game.

I think my luck's finally starting to change.
Recently I was wandering around doing quests and came upon Wing. First time, with a full hench group, and he dropped his green axe for me.
Just did my first FoW run. With a full 8-man group I got 3 shards.

I've had three golds drop out of everything, ever. Only one had perfect damage. I've done 50 totem axe runs, killed at least 600 root behemoths, and have not had a single drop. I'm unlucky.
Edit: I've been playing this game since a month after it came out.

Problem is, I don't have any good drops to remember in 13 months of playing this game.

I attract blues like a magnet, and get my fair share of purples, but I get practically no golds...

Hell, I've never even seen a green... and most of my characters are from Cantha where every boss and its brother supposedly drops one!

I agree. I put my faith into mathematics. Unfortunately I realize people start out ignorant and must learn mathematics (it's not a knock, we all start out without this knowledge). I just don't trust that everyone gets that far.

Character Drop ID assigned to char A(1-8): 1
Character Drop ID assigned to char B(1-8): 4

when drops occur, a drop ID is established: 2
the closer your number is to the drop number the better your drop is.
A is drop-[1], B is drop+[2], absolutes

another drop: 5
A is drop-[4], B is drop-[1], absolutes.

the math is sound, however according to the possibilities B is 'luckier' than A consistently because B is in the middle (the drop number could be above or below), where A is at an extreme (the drop number is always in one direction, not two).

I'm not saying it's made anywhere close to this, but pointing out that mathematics is always sound, people implementing it are not always so..

oh, and I haven't figured out if the Canthan system is just a buff of the old one or a different system. I do know that some characters we deemed unlucky in Tyria have been more than lucky in Cantha, but going back finds the same results. Also, a few characters that were lucky in Tyria (fissure-suit lucky) have been really unlucky in Cantha, but can go back to Tyria and get drops like they used to. I have a feeling the mathematics are working just as they were programmed into the system, which may or may not be the way intended or expected.

Here is something for you people thinking its 100% random; If my friend and I go kill stuff and I predict that he'll get all the green drops and gold drop, and it happens, is it random or am I just the next nostradamus? Cause thats basically what happens, more often that not, its expected who will get what before we even head out, funny how something so random can be so predictable.

Here is a chink on that math armor, you're basing your faith on what isn't always happening, meaning that equation doesn't hold true. These people I know have been lucky all their way in GW, while you have pretty much been reading about stories from people here who've stuck it out on a 13 month dry spell...

Thing is, as much as people try to make sense out of things, one thing is for certain, the drop assignments are crap and biased, 1 out of the group will always get more than his share regardless of group effort.

heh, sounds like I'm not the only one with terrible loot luck: On so many occasions I've gone out to get an item I want only to waste countless hours trying to get it. I go with a couple of "always lucky" guildies and it drops for them instantly. This always happens.

Best one though, was a night my guild group was just out exploring Cantha (when it was new) and each of the 7 others in the group ended up with at lest 4 golds and two people got a few greens. I got 30 something warden horns and one blue bow with req 12. In the end before we logged off, they were comparing what they got and asked me what I found. I dropped them on the floor and laughed. They said "that's it?" - ever since then, they've been watching more closely and can honestly confirm, I've got some of the worst loot luck possible. lol /flex

I've got terrible luck as well, but in a slightly different way. I get a fair amount of gold drops, but I always end up getting perfect or near perfect mods, but on otherwise really crappy weapons, that people won't pay money for even with the mod. But invariably, if I try and salvage the mod, I either get the other mod on it, which is always a worthless one, or crafting materials. So most of the time I end up having to sell the whole thing together to whoever I can find to buy it for alot less than I could sell the mod itself for.

LMDAO do you know what random means? Random:Of or relating to an event in which all outcomes are equally likely, as in the testing of a blood sample for the presence of a substance. It is just as likely that you will get 10 golds in a row as it is that you will get 10 purples. Best example i can think of, I had to farm ghial 25 times to get 1 staff. I then took a half hour break came back and got one on my second run. The fact that it may happen for more people then others is also a matter of them being in the right place at the right time. Also u do have to realize after 1.5 hours of farming the anti farm code kicks in and your drops WILL suck. I personally find i get good drops as much as any other person, you have dry runs and u have good runs.

The people defending the randomness of the system... couldn't it just be that some people are simply experiencing a bug? A glitch? Like in, for 90% of GW everyone is fair and balanced and the drops are based upon randomness, though there are a few where the system glitches and either allocates more drops to a person or less.

Whenever i observe my loot, i'm simply getting more than others do. How can this be random? My inventory is allways the first to fill up so i have to salvage stuff. This is not some measly one or two items more, it's about twice as much. Everytime.

What i'm assuming here is that there IS a glitch in the system, one of those hard to catch ones which is mostly based upon someones personal feeling. This bug seems to allocate more drops to one account than to another one (And thus logically more rares/greens/runes as well).

However to really test the system A-Net would have to globally analyze the loot logs and see how it behaves. If this is really a bug and not just intended.

Drops are random.

The grass is always greener on the other side.

I have one thing to say, WoW loot system >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> GW loot system.
Need before greed imo

I was in FoW the other day doin some farming with a party.

The first shard to drop was for our AFK man, who needless to say came straight out of AFK, apologising profusely. Then in another group 1 person got 5 shards in 1 farm set, where I have to be content with my 3 shards over a week.

There seems no balance in how items are issues, sure ive got a helluva stack of glitter and boney bits, but Id love to be able to go into FoW and collect 5 shards in 1 run. Some people get all the luck.

my loot is always very poor quality, ive had 1 Green and 1 Decent Gold in my 7 months of playing GW

Seems many of us need fertilizer.

As a lighter side things on this topic; anyone ever get a mod you were after (not even a great one) but just not be able to salvage it? In my many months of playing, I have yet to salvage a firey bow string. I have kept count as I find it extremely amusing. 36 fiery bow strings have been turned into wood planks for me. I've been using that superior salvage kit to attempt, yet still, nothing.