A bad experience with a guild *warning to other players*

I really get quit annoyed at this kind of flaunting of people's feelings, as far as I am concerned people have feelings work hard in this game and there are some really good genuine players out there, it may be hard to find and I am sorry you had to go throu such a awfull exsperiance, yes I can see that everytime some person shatters the trust that we all some times like to give we feel like saying things like I dont want to join a guild, and I feel like Scamming back, well there is a report system and people should use it more on low lifes who cant be bothered to be playing the game instead breezing throu then acting like they did it on there own backs at the end of the game by boasting how hard there character is and how great there armor and possesions are.
This kind of inadiquacy in these people will continue I am afraid its like a substitute dummy really to me, I enjoy this game and have been scammed like the majority of us, but like I always think there are many many good guilds out there many good people, and exsperiance like in real life teaches us valuable leason's that teach us to be wiser in future adopt this attitude and it wont make you so angry it will show you only what sad people they are and what a better perosn you are to be able to sitback and say I played that game honestly and never stooped to such low level's of selfish behaviour.

Wow what guild was that i must join and see the corruption first hand so i can laugh at them.

Wow that is pretty rough. Sorry you had to go though that. You should have left earlier when you started seeing it though.

Our guild has no real structure, but everything is given the need of the guild. Since we pvp a lot mostly, if you have something that someone needs (not want!) it goes to them for a decent price or for free. I've given a lot of stuff away to the guild and I don't expect anything in return except they show up on time to gvg. :P

Yeah I know at least 32 females that play Gw I know a fwe of em a GL :P


and By the way Im a male and I was a guild leader in a guild for at least 2,3 months I was the best one they have ever had, and then I left started up my own never got it off the ground, now i joind a small one, with i tihnk 5 ppl im an officer i give my iteams i get away becuse i cant sell anything, and there pritty active to, and there the guild I decied to start up my "corp idea" im calling the Union but no one will say anything about it so im a little dissapointed
apprently i only get questions that ive alrady answerd they dont go to the "all deatails link"

I would have left If some one was harrasing me for stuff its like jezz "SHUT THE RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO UP, IM NOT GIVING YOU THAT''

but, im really sorry for that happning to you howrd

My guild is pretty much the opposite of the originally stated guild. I came from a PvP guild background but i found them impersonal and rather boring save when it came to GvG time...as such as soon as one of my pvp guilds began to fold myself and others decided to form a pve guild. Our policy was to recruit the newest members and teach them the basics of the game...and occasionally GvG, my PvP roots allowed me to get plaers i n top ranked guilds (rank 20 or so) to come teach the new players how to play the different characters. Every night I would be required to do THK for someone who wanted to get it done, of course i need to bring my monk...even though i had two other characters who needed it. Every night the officers would work their butts off for the members. soon the guild was 100 members large all lv 20's. and with that the constant spam soon ensued...can we GvG right thi second...which i would respond with "if more peopleget on vent we can"...as well as can someone give me 20k for my 15k armor...which i would then say no, u dont need that if u rlly want something u should rlly work hard for it. Inevitably members would leave and some new recruits would be found, some were very loyal, but unfortunately could not relieve the officers of their help request from the greedier members who stayed along. One night, after doing the dessert tour for 3 guildie, i began farming for some gold with my 55 monk cuz we needed some new stuff in the hall. a member then begins screaming that he would be leaving the guild because he would be leav ing the guild because he did not recieve help in the guild...2 of the officers started saying that they had not once see him ask for help or even say he needed anything when nebody offered help...he then proceeded to call everyone in the guild f***ing noobs, and that it was a sh*tty a** loser guild for noobs. The he bagan pming me with comments about how i was an idiot who never helped neone and that all i did was farm for gold for myself, this was the first of many like instances from newer members...there was one member who called us all f***ing morons and noobs because i was not willing to make him an officer just after joining th e guild...then there was the kid who claimed one night that noone was helpful when in fact he had never asked anyone for help and had also not responded to help offers by neone, he then threatend to report the whole guild for some uknown reason...then the final story is one of the worst, we had some guests from cP on our vent to hang out and do some GvG's when suddenly during a GvG a 12 year old who had been kicked for obsessive swearing and rudeness in guild and alliance chat, hopped on the vent with the name ()()()()()()() etc... cauing a lack of instructions to be handed out and a very likely defeat...one of the officers hopped on game and asked him to stop spamming vent, but of course it continued on...eventually that same officer managed to trick him to staying on for more then 3 seconds and he was finall banned.

I have dealt with too many problems in the short time of being leader of this guild...as such the guild status has been changed to that of AB/FF and that any heavy faction farmers would be helping the guild in that way and that we will no longer be able to spend 5 hours a day each on helping the same quest...only to find that someone who was too shy to speak earlier now wanted that same mission done... also we began ompetition for officer spots..so that now officer meant u could just relax as many officers had begun to demonstrate, now members are more into helping others instead of just themselves...we maintain only 6 officer slots in the guild...and the competition is so tense for these few spots that even my extra accounts arent officer material. the amount of sudden outbursts have gone down...and so have the incessant requests for becoming officers...we try to keep everyones ego in check so people dont consider themselves better then the guild and thus lightening up the guild environment. Basically guild chat is just fun...are members have become more skilled at pvp...newer members always trying to help out in whatever way possible...one member even went from one day saying that he hated faction farming to asking me why the minimum donation from members hadnt been increased to 15k a day...which then resulted in many pms from member stating that they would begin meeting our measly 5k a day requirements.

Currently the guild is in a giant upswing...we are relaxed, maybe not as helpful what we used to be...but everyone is enjoying the guild to the utmost...our rules are more lax...at if u are ever fighting in an ab and see the constant spam that Lucey is casting elemental attunement on herself...or the constant spam of NOOBS even though we are winning 400-50, or the constant asking whether or not cap sig was needed cuz all everyone talks about is capping, then u know the new and improved LoGW is not far away.

wth? how could they do that? me being a leader myself think that is very unfair, you earned that stuff, you spent your time so you deserve that
if i ask for items from my officers or members i offer a fair price, and i ask for items rarely (once in the past 3 months)

wow if I were you I'd be quitting that guild the moment they asked me for my first donation. The word "scam" came to mind after reading just the first two sentences. I can't believe you were suckered for so long.

I realy cant belive what i read! Its people like that who ruin Guild Wars for others i no a few of people who have been put off by reading this post and im glad they found out this way and not the way you did, i own my guild its not huge just over 40 members but i couldnt ask a one of them to donate stuff if anything in my opinion if your going to start a guild and you cant afford it without ripping off guild members y start a guild?! If anything i have probaly give over 100k to trusted members i wudnt take money off them!

To the OP your story reminds me of the "Serenity Now" funeral raid in WoW; fills me with mixed feelings of empathy for you and rage at the guild coupled with: how could you be that naive?

I also realize from what I read I am not alone in thinking how can anyone be that foolish, but it is your naive and good natured mentality that you possessed that I think should be revered not scorned. After all, I think GW and RL would be a better place if we all were as eager to help out and lend a hand as you were.

In the nature of making things right, I would love to hand yah 6-7 low end greens and 50k to help compensate you for your losses. I know it is not much, but it is what I can give. If you post your IGN here I will make certain to contact you in game.

I'll check this thread over the next few days...

hey thanks for all the private messages and replies here. I dont need anything but thank you for the offer. Your right I shouldnt have said anything about the drops I got knowing that I would be asked to donate them. The thing is I dont havea warrrior and have perfect stuff for my other 6 chars, so it wasnt any skin (just money) off my back to donate.

I am now playing this other game and having the same problems as with this old guild I was in. I am new to this other game so I asked how much it was worth and got a message from someone saying he wanted it I offered to sell it to him and he said "Its often looked down upon to sell to guildies" and I was thinking "But I never offered it free.."

Wow what a dumb guild lol. I don't think you should really give anything valuable away for free... maybe sell it to them at a discount or something though since they are in your guild.

well it's nice that guildwars has such a system where you decide what you want to do for your guild and so on, you can choose yourself to stay or not to stay in a guild where you must donate a lot of stuff. i would never stay in a guild where i had to give away lot's of things.

At the moment i'm in a large alliance of 10 guilds that is trying to get a town and we sell things to each others and help each others in gvg and alliance battles, only thing that the leader asks us for is to get some faction points every now and then.

^Everytime you give Faction to the guild, thats like donating 5k to the Guild


Anyway...I never donate directly to the guild money wise, When I've spent money on Guild NPCs for the guild, they've either broke up the guild, or randomly decided to reform the guild under a new name - So I don't even bother.

any guild that "requires" or asks it members to give items away, especially those that set up special priveledges for officers ... should be avoided

You mean you didn't get the "Communist Dictatorship" checkbox when you formed your guild? The one that drafts all nearby players, prevents them from leaving, and rolls their entire inventory into a shared distribution system controlled by officers?

Huh. That must have been in a recent patch.

Lmao...thats great.

I just recently formed a guild and would never ask my members anything like that, its riddiculus...

"I also figured out that, if the guild leader is a female, she is more likely to be more trustworthy than a male guild leader, mainly because females, I believe, are less "evil" and won't try to scam their own guildies out of their selfishness." Oh,thats mature.

You gotta stop acting like a charity. Don't give anybody anything period.

We don't even ask that from our members. o.O

Most don't unless its an alliance that owns a town, then theres usually a 5-10k faction a day minimum. Which isnt much..give like 3 alliance battles to your guild.

hmmm....sounds like one of my old guilds....called ECHO i gave around 600k in money high end items and wat not to ppl in that guild.....i got mad at wat the leader said one day and i posted sumthing in the guilds forums to ask y she would do sumthing like that..next day i was called an idiot and was told i dont contribute to the benifit of the guild and i need to leave....i left and 3 others left with me over that.....lost a crystaline sword and a sphis axe to that guild.....srry but i dont trust any1 anymore..nvr believe a guild asking for sumthing...i am 100% self reliant and i have paid for random ppl's armor before i am a nice guy sumtimes...but i dont like getting taken advantage of...thats y i leave guilds....i give to much then they get greedy.....if u ever need sumthing like black dye piece of armor i will help u out if i can....thats an offer to any1 that reads this...but if u get greedy or ask for like 500k....thats happened to me before im going to ignore u...not add u to ignore...just not respond....anyway im srry to here that guild did that to u.....can i help u with sumthing...i currently have a ghial's staff u can have if it will help u...that item is only open to howardjones....so i dont want 50 pm's asking for it....my gw's char name is Im Perfect U Aint...if u want it....u can have it free

I`m gobbsmacked!!!!,after reading that.
I feel really sorry for you Howard,I hope no one has that experiance.
It sounded as though the guild was run by the gestapo,or mafia or some rotten to the core gang.

I`ve been playing online games for many years,and I`m most likely the oldest one here"at a guess" .I`m 57,play COD,and belong to a clan ,BF2,,and many others,"by the way the wifes a pc widow",I`m just a big kid at heart,but in all the games I have played,I have never seen this happen.
Just goes to show that some people will stop at nothing to get what they want........"In a word GREED".

I have been playing this game for about 6 months,and have just decided to join a guild,in the last 2 weeks.They seem a really nice bunch of people,and it is not very large.
I have had loads of help,and advice from the officers,as well as the leader himself,who it seems nothing is too much trouble.
We all help one another out,and if I pick up something that is good but I dont need,then I always keep it ,and pass it on to someone who has a use for it.

Its so sad to see this happen in a game I just love playing,and this is what will turn people against joining guilds,them sort should be banned from playing the game,like we ban cheaters in our COD clan.
Well Howard all the best to you in your new guild,hope you have more fun there,as thats why we play games.

I don't think i've ever heard about anything so stupid. I can empathise with your situation. Good thing is i'm selfish when it comes to my things. I would never have donated to a guild that asks for such outragous things. I hate it when people take advantage of other peoples kindness.

Unfortunatly, there ARE guilds out there that do that. I lead an OLD guild (Prophecies closed beta guild) and I often complaine that I have almost no gold or even good drops to make some gold. BUT, my members know that I will 100% of the time flat out refuse ANY donations/loans/gifts of ANY kind. I give what I have to them, when I can, but refuse any repayments. Guess that constitutes a semi-good and nice leader. :P

I think you should let ppl know the Guild name so no one else has to go through the same BS

wow.

im an officer in our guild... pve/pvp/gvg..

we (i) dont sell to guildies, or more frankly, the guildies that have been in there for a while.. i've given perfect items, and gotten stuff in return. its a give/give position... nobody *forces* anyone, or even hints at taking the good stuff that other people get.

point being. once you saw that they werent helping, you should've left right then and there..

Tell me ur guild name and I will pawn them
I was a leader of my clan, I know there are things that is really hard to set up within the guild. One time, one of the new guildy asked if anyone have materials for free O,O....I yelled at him that he should not be asking for free stuffs. He said sorry to me. But then after that, I think over "wat's the point of guild then, is it that u help others ppl? If so, wat will u get back from those helps?". It starts to frustrated me. I tried to make the guild to be the same level. Noone should help others w/o being helped. In the other word, you help someone in the guild, there will be a record for it and he will gain point. When he/she gain the decent amount of point, he/she will have an access to demand something worth the amount of point they gain. It seems to work well till I am tired of keeping track on point and stuffs so I decide to break the whole guild ...Other guild may want to try that. It's pretty efficient

Man...this suxx...If a leader is a Jerk then the whole guild is..or at least officers....If I were you I would have exploded with anger much earlier for those unjust things and manipulations...

Just don't worry be happy and be careful with next guild....The guild I'm in is very small for there are only honorable people...there is nothing like good and helpful and respectful people in your guild

wut i got to say is that the leader was pathetic.... lol u dont take money from guildies and dont give back money, hes a noob im sorry to say

ps: join a guild thats real trustful that u can trust so much. Like mine, my friends are in this guild so i trust em alot. That guild leader= most pathetic leader ive heard about ever!

All of this stuff is really kind of u man THUMBS UP!

my guild is small (4 ppl), and we help ppl that arent in our guild these days because we have most of the weapons and armor and other things weve wanted. we dont make a big deal about giving, loaning, or selling things between each other. we all just use common sense and if something is worth selling we offer it to guildies first at a discount. we buy stuff for each other if we see it being sold and know another needs it. we have a leaader but we are all equal, and we all take care of one another. i salvage if one of us needs a mod, or a material, other than that i give stuff to whoever is around when i clean out inventory. i started doing trivia contests in L.A. a year ago (i see ppl doing them now all over the place, especially monestary), to give away max items that wernt gonna get me more than a few plat if i spammed all day trying to sell. i give away gold in towns when im in a good mood (youll see me saying "first to open trade window gets 1k"). i like to spread wealth, i like to help nubs, not greedy fags who have everything they need anyway.

i think the problem lies in large guilds where the leader is power trippin because he built a large guild. kinda sad really, but then again, you stuck around, which is sad too. i guess some ppl have to learn the hard way. common sense is that if youre being taken advantage of, leave fast, and try to get something for your trouble before you leave.

as long as stupidity and greed walk hand in hand ya gonna have guilds who act like this. Just need to take things with a pinch of salt and learn to not put trust into things blindly.

I don't care much about money, a big thing with me is "will i get respect in this guild?"
The one i'm currently in, I'm trying to save 10k so I can buy one of the NPCs for the guild hall (Priest, i believe is what im saving for) but this is more so for charity than "MUST... GET... OFFICER...SPOT.." Which i will get if I help the guild hall a bit.

I was in two other guilds before this current one. One gave me a price check on a 10k item and another gave me a run to droks on my warrior. That was all fine and good but I felt the respect level was a bit lacking.

The second one i was in for about an hour, nothing serious it was just way too small.

The one I'm in now are abundant in respect (I think, it's hard to tell just two days in) but are very poor it seems. None of the 4 alliances can afford the NPC's in their guild halls. I find that kinda sad.

I really don't like guilds and yet I feel everyone should be in one.

Wow - I heard there are some bad guilds out there but never heard anything quite that bad. In our guild we tend to give new people any decent weapons they might want but only if that person doesnt want/need them anymore.

I'm one of the officers and my b/f is the leader and the people promoted are active members who people get along with and to an extend trust.

Bad luck on you mate, think you got 'had' in this instance - they obviously dont care about other people, just themselves!

Guilds that leeches from their members and members who leeches from their guilds are the scum of the guildwar community sadly, you just need to use your better judgement both as a guild member and normal player looking for a guild.

That's pretty screwed up, hope it wasn't your first guild experience. I doubt if most guilds are like that!

I'd have walked out at the very start about the whole "donate so officers can have l33t armour" crap. In my guild, people usually earn their own things and help each other out voluntarily (and if they sell or give things to each other it's entirely up to them, though usually a guildie discount is given compared to market prices)

If a guild's to have "donate" policy then it should be for something that is of benefit to all members e.g. a common items pool, Hall, web/voice server, Hall NPCS etc. and there should also be clearly accountable activities so people know where the donations have gone to avoid being scammed.

Well the former guild of the OP was clearly leaded by scammers, and fortunately I don't think most of the guilds are like that. However, whenever you ask for free contribution, or whatever, there will always be people participating or donating more than others, and other people who won't give and only take.

We had a material and dyes guild storage in my last guild. At the beginning, a few people even gave black dyes and expensive goodies. They shortly disappeared. We suspected a few members had been selling them, but we quickly forgot about that.

Then the mat/dyes holder left the guild. He had kept the stock when he left because no one was online then. I knew it was a trustfully guy, and he would have never scammed us. When the other officers realized he was gone, all of them except one (well.. 2 with me) had only in mind the materials, and kept asking where he was to get the mats back, not why he left the guild. I'm not angry against them, most of them were good guys, but there, as a few other times, I was really disappointed.

We finally got the mats back and someone else to hold them. Everybody went to the guild hall to give all the mats he had in stock (and when you're in a guild where all the members have 6-12 chars, even if there is not that many active members, I can tell you it takes time). Everything seemed to be fine. I never gave ectos or shards, nor back dye if I had found one, but I used to give all my other mats and dyes, including expensive ones (jade, silver dye, fangs, etc.), and I gave a lot. After a few weeks, I decided to go and buy a few new armors. I knew if I had kept the materials I found I would have most of what I needed to craft them (except jade and amber). But I soon realized that most of the members never gave since the day we got our mats back.

I had given 300k factions to my alliance, and how many plats of materials? I was an officer of the guild, but it didn't mean anything in this guild, except one of the other officers liked me. But the opinion of me and the other officers (and I don't even talk about members) who were not original members didn't matter for the leader. He didn't even warn us when he decided to leave a nice alliance we had joined, in which we had befriended guys. And this is just an example. I left the guild.

Conclusion: get involved in your guild, but make sure 1st the leadership AND the members do care about what you do or say. If they don't seem to, they prolly do not, and stuff like that is going to happen. Having a helpful guild is a great thing, but making as if the guild was helpful and such when it's only selfishness and I-don't-give-a-fookness is one of the most disappointing thing in game.

You're stupid if you trust people in real life, you're even more stupid if you trust someone behind a computer (hard to see their feelings :P).

The topic could of been made simple - you happily got used, and then you got abused (which you wern't so happy about it). The answer is simple, don't get used; however, the only problem is here is one thing. Topics like this put people off from joining guilds (check second post).

Sure you can avoid every guild incase one is a bad one; however, you might find 1 in a 100 is a nice guild with nice people. You can prevent yourself being used, never join a guild but you won't have as much fun.

So the advice to you (or anyone) from me would be to simply HELP someone get the green item, the rare gold item but do not out right give them it. That way you can both have fun and if you're farming for ectos, 4 drop for you but 1 for him - then maybe share. Other than that don't get used, in real life, online or where ever .

My guild is simple - bunch of friends, although I have tried toi nvite people I don't know so well, but I have found with any game - friends work out to be good teams . The sacrifice, quality for quantity (some people take one look at a small guild and leave ).

I do in real life, and even often behind the screen. I'm possibly stupid, yeah, but I'd rather trust people generally and sometimes have bad experiences than live in a world where trust doesn't exist.

But this is more about real life than this game...

Im a guild leader, i would never ask for items.