in my guild, we're always giving each other stuff, but A)We're all poor
and B)We all know each other outside the game
A bad experience with a guild *warning to other players*
AquilaI
It is pretty stupid to ask for loads of expensive items, a guild is primarily meant to enhance playing experience for ALL the players, not to make the members feel victimised, while the officers get free stuff.
in my guild, we're always giving each other stuff, but A)We're all poor and B)We all know each other outside the game
in my guild, we're always giving each other stuff, but A)We're all poor
and B)We all know each other outside the game
Makkert
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Ok I am not here to flame or get revenge, I wanted to share my guild experience with folks looking for a guild as a warning of what might happen to you.
I joined this guild in January and was there until last week. This guilds policy is not to sell to other guildies, but to give what you can. I thought that this was a good idea and have always given to guildies so I felt at home. The guild had a policy of getting the officers fissure armor, and I felt this too was justified because the officers have duties and are supposed to help their guildies accomplish things. So, the guilds policy was to ask for donations of ecto, shards and mats. Soon the guild also started asking for gold donations. I donated many quality items, green items and mats, including dye and ecto. I always asked if anyone wanted to accompany me on my mission objectives tho I was not an officer. I rarely asked for any help and never needed items gold or mats as I am pretty self sufficient. I am also very friendly and chat with players when people are online. So here is what I started to notice. The very few times I asked for help I got none. I was helped twice in the 6 months I was there. Instead of promoting people to officer who had been in the guild, the leader was promoting people who had just joined. The officers were always out doing a group thing and the only people really offering any help were the regular guildies. Also I started to notice people were offering their unwanted crap and anything of value was not being offered, but this i thought was normal because we all need money. So factions comes out and I find three perfect weapons for warrior. I do not have a warrior so I figured hey I can sell these and buy all the skills to unlock for pvp. I asked my leader how much he thought they would be worth and he immediately asks me for the perfect 15>50 celestial axe. I say to him "Dont you already have a 15>50?" To which he got quiet and then said "Yeah I do but I want that one because they look cool". I was hesitant to give him the axe because this seemed like a matter of greed and not charity. I told him I didnt think he needed it and then suddenly in the guild hall someone said I need an axe anyone got one? and the leader said "he needs an axe, give him yours". I am pretty sure he set this up so I would have to give over the axe to prove my loyalty to the guild, and so I gave over the axe against my better judgement. A few days went by and I donated more rare mats, dye and weapons. It seemed that everytime I said I found something good one of the officers was asking for it for free. I started doing Urgoz and it was time consuming for me. I always asked if anyone wanted to join me but never got any replies. Finally after a week I made it through Urgoz and got the short bow, to which I excitedly told the guild that I finally farmed something worth getting. I was immediately asked if I would give over the short bow. I said that I needed money for skills and was told that if I "donated" the bow that they would give me 25k. I said "I thought we didnt sell to guildies?" they said the treasury is there for us to use. I said "What about when I see people asking for things you all flame them and then boot them out for asking for stuff?" He said that was newer players not someone who has been loyal and been around for awhile. I said I had to think about it, that it took so long to get that I didnt want to give it away. The next day I was summoned to the guild hall for a conferrence with the leader and the officer that had asked for my short bow. I was told that I seemed to have issues with guild policy and that my ideals didnt match that of the guild. I was told that I was not helpfull enough, and that I only did Urgoz and not helped anyone get anywhere. I said I was not an officer and that I shouldnt be held to those standards anyway. I said I got a little obsessed with beating Urgoz and was moving on. They insisted that I did not fit into the guild. I said "Youve got someone who donates items and mats and when he can, his time.... so where is the problem?" I said "Why dont you admit the real reason why you are coming down on me?" I confronted them about the bow and they said "If we got the bow we would immediately ask if anyone wanted it", which I know is a lie because the leader is always saying he wants those bows. Finally the leader said "You dont fit in here I think you should leave". And they booted me from the guild. So that is how I got snookered out of abour 250k and was left guildless. Be carefull of guilds asking for "donations". |
I mean...DUDE....
you got screwed. they practicly demanded it of you, and you got squat in return.
I would have left the guild sooner if I were you... You have been to generous, and a bit too gullible I'm afraid.
I hope your next guild will be a better experience for you.
M1h4iL
Why join a guild to grind your self, not enjoy your self and be "used"? The whole point of GW and being in a guild is to have fun, not working for someone...bl to OP, try joining a guild with more mature people, not 13 yr olds :/
Mighty Warrior
lol want to join my guild 
..... jk, but seriously no donations, no banks, no buying armour for officers (unless you want to). Gvg EVERY day at 12 noon east. you can contact me ( jamie is king) or my guild leader ( wargod of peace). I been with them since december and they are good poeple.
..... jk, but seriously no donations, no banks, no buying armour for officers (unless you want to). Gvg EVERY day at 12 noon east. you can contact me ( jamie is king) or my guild leader ( wargod of peace). I been with them since december and they are good poeple.
Seban Anu
Ah, I'm sorry for your experience.
Personally I've never given away anything expensive in gw, and I have very good friends on the game I'd trust with my entire account. If you end up getting payed a fourth of what something is worth when selling to another guildie.. not good, in my opinion. Guildie item transactions should be either a fair trade on both ends or a gift, and a gift soley because you want to give that person a gift, not because its a policy. (edit: Maybe not literally, I suppose. Each situation is different in some way but from your post it doesnt seem l ike any of your guildies were at all 'friends' of yours, but something like coworkers who were asking you to write their reports.) Feeling preassured to give something that you worked for by people who mooch off virtual positions of 'power' in guilds is ridiculous. Being told you need to contribute to something like fissure armor, which is.. aside from simply showing off, an example of how much *that player* worked for something for *his character,* is nothing more than paying a fee to stay in a guild full of people whos only interest in you is your farming capabilities. My advice: make some friends. Whatever it is you like to do in gw; goof off in outposts showing off your armor, farming fissure/urgoz/whatever; make some friends who do the same. Hang out with them for awhile before you join their guild. And when/if they tell you to hand over your bow, tell them to get their own and start making new friends. .. or go guildless, because everyone is a little bit nicer to guildless people.
edit: LOL, I read some post on the first page.. Females are less evil ;D Im a girl. I've taken things from something like guild wars sugar daddies before. I think, in a way, that makes me more evil.
Personally I've never given away anything expensive in gw, and I have very good friends on the game I'd trust with my entire account. If you end up getting payed a fourth of what something is worth when selling to another guildie.. not good, in my opinion. Guildie item transactions should be either a fair trade on both ends or a gift, and a gift soley because you want to give that person a gift, not because its a policy. (edit: Maybe not literally, I suppose. Each situation is different in some way but from your post it doesnt seem l ike any of your guildies were at all 'friends' of yours, but something like coworkers who were asking you to write their reports.) Feeling preassured to give something that you worked for by people who mooch off virtual positions of 'power' in guilds is ridiculous. Being told you need to contribute to something like fissure armor, which is.. aside from simply showing off, an example of how much *that player* worked for something for *his character,* is nothing more than paying a fee to stay in a guild full of people whos only interest in you is your farming capabilities. My advice: make some friends. Whatever it is you like to do in gw; goof off in outposts showing off your armor, farming fissure/urgoz/whatever; make some friends who do the same. Hang out with them for awhile before you join their guild. And when/if they tell you to hand over your bow, tell them to get their own and start making new friends. .. or go guildless, because everyone is a little bit nicer to guildless people.
edit: LOL, I read some post on the first page.. Females are less evil ;D Im a girl. I've taken things from something like guild wars sugar daddies before. I think, in a way, that makes me more evil.
Kendar Muert
The first post was overwhelmingly depressing... My guild has only asked for ANY type of donations once, and it wasnt mandatory, and it wansnt a large amount. this was so we could afford to get all the upgrades in the hall, which we bought the zunlai and priest, and then the rest were bought by a single private member, which our guild is grateful for, but we would NEVER ask anything of anyone if they are not willing to give it. I give weapons to members i know wont leave, and help the newer guildies with small amounts of mats and cash, and with various pve and pvp things.
Kuja
Sounds like a Guild Fraternity...
IrishCatholicNewYorker
Your story digust me and I'm sorry that greedy guild kicked you... but would you really wanna be in it any more? I am a officer in our Guild our leader expects the officers to help the members not the other way arpund and thats the way it should be. Just because your guildies doesn't mean you have to give up things you want, it means if someone needs somthing that u CAN help them with to help them.
zadieyek of gyre
hehe hello all,
this is my first post so bear with and its late so...
well i am sad by all the negative reports but truth is theres good and bad.
My story , i was a leader who had a good guild , we started when the game was launched and being new to internet play well it caused me pain n heartache and good things too.
A group of ppl met and well we scraped the cash to get the cape and then we grew.
Im female , a rareity in them days more than today and i was kinda voted leader, it was a democracy based on trust n honesty n friendship and we all shared n shared alike. when it was smaller it was alot easier to help with items and missions, but we made a storage system later and accepted donations. funnily enough only the officers kinda gave at first but then some members too as we shared regardless of rank.
Unlike alot of guilds today we were just a bunch of friends (none of us in rl just on gw, at first anyways) , who had a good laugh, some good , some worse. ie me lol after 1 year i finally finished the last mission erm yesterday and still have 2 bonuses to do.
i also only have 1 charr with citadel armour and im skint(5k across all charrs now as i only got it last week. this is due to the fact that i give away alot and i hoarde items for the guild. If i count how much i really spent on ppl well i'd get bored way b4 i'd any inclinking so i won't.
Unfortunatly bad players can be leaders, officers or members. I had a large dose of it and it split our guild apart, people can be mean and very selfish , and power hungry on here. Which seemed a good enough reason to take pot shots at me, i could've defended myself but truth is it hurt. All the lies, and whispers , so then they say its just a game , but then aren't we behind the screen real with real feelings?
I let my guild die, instead of stooping to that and tried another but i'd kinda lost the drive, now im very happy in my old officers guild and most of the origional group are still here, some in this guild n some in another, but were still mates n we still play as we always did.
Im writing this to say, that no matter what the pain n believe me it got bad, i wouldn't go back , i wouldn't change a thing. There will always be bad players, and its easy to see how many there really are, as everytime i give away items, the shocked reaction i get. But i still give away stuff, runes n weapons n cash. Im not stupid but if im having a laugh with someone for 10 mins and i just got a rune thats only worth 2-300g or so why not and these people i usually never see again
i give away greens n golds n alsorts to my friends (in other guilds too) but i chose to do it and the reward i get , well im never lonely, theres always ppl to play with n help me , which in my book is as much fun as helping them
So my last comment is good luck to those in guild n those who aren't, but if you ever wanna laugh, or need a hand or need your faith in friendly players reconfirmed whisper me n lets go for a bash
this is my first post so bear with and its late so...
well i am sad by all the negative reports but truth is theres good and bad.
My story , i was a leader who had a good guild , we started when the game was launched and being new to internet play well it caused me pain n heartache and good things too.
A group of ppl met and well we scraped the cash to get the cape and then we grew.
Im female , a rareity in them days more than today and i was kinda voted leader, it was a democracy based on trust n honesty n friendship and we all shared n shared alike. when it was smaller it was alot easier to help with items and missions, but we made a storage system later and accepted donations. funnily enough only the officers kinda gave at first but then some members too as we shared regardless of rank.
Unlike alot of guilds today we were just a bunch of friends (none of us in rl just on gw, at first anyways) , who had a good laugh, some good , some worse. ie me lol after 1 year i finally finished the last mission erm yesterday and still have 2 bonuses to do.
i also only have 1 charr with citadel armour and im skint(5k across all charrs now
as i only got it last week. this is due to the fact that i give away alot and i hoarde items for the guild. If i count how much i really spent on ppl well i'd get bored way b4 i'd any inclinking so i won't.Unfortunatly bad players can be leaders, officers or members. I had a large dose of it and it split our guild apart, people can be mean and very selfish , and power hungry on here. Which seemed a good enough reason to take pot shots at me, i could've defended myself but truth is it hurt. All the lies, and whispers , so then they say its just a game , but then aren't we behind the screen real with real feelings?
I let my guild die, instead of stooping to that and tried another but i'd kinda lost the drive, now im very happy in my old officers guild and most of the origional group are still here, some in this guild n some in another, but were still mates n we still play as we always did.
Im writing this to say, that no matter what the pain n believe me it got bad, i wouldn't go back , i wouldn't change a thing. There will always be bad players, and its easy to see how many there really are, as everytime i give away items, the shocked reaction i get. But i still give away stuff, runes n weapons n cash. Im not stupid but if im having a laugh with someone for 10 mins and i just got a rune thats only worth 2-300g or so why not
and these people i usually never see againi give away greens n golds n alsorts to my friends (in other guilds too) but i chose to do it and the reward i get , well im never lonely, theres always ppl to play with n help me , which in my book is as much fun as helping them
So my last comment is good luck to those in guild n those who aren't, but if you ever wanna laugh, or need a hand or need your faith in friendly players reconfirmed whisper me n lets go for a bash
Saphatorael
Sometimes it's just best to keep your mouth shut about certain items you've obtained... i've been scolled at, threatened and blackmailed when i mentioned my 15^50 chaos axe (back when 15^50 drops were very rare) or similar items, but not by guildies though... it was another guild who i teamed up with occasionally. Well... not anymore, anyways, after that guild's leader decided not to give my items back.
I DO help guildies, but if they're too pushy, i'd prefer giving it to a quiet, but friendly guildie... i know what most people have and don't have, so i give my stuff to people who i think need it most.
Some people tend to get arrogant when they're leader... when i was leader in my own guild back then, i tried to diminish the differences between officers and normal guildies, such as letting the normal guildies change the cape every now and then, and you'll never see me asking for donations. The officers bought a new guild hall and it's npc's with their own gold.
Atm i'm guildless though, but it's my own choice... i know that i'll always be welcome with them, but i decided to take some time off the guild things... i suggest you do too: take your time, focus on your own chars, be selfish for a change
I DO help guildies, but if they're too pushy, i'd prefer giving it to a quiet, but friendly guildie... i know what most people have and don't have, so i give my stuff to people who i think need it most.
Some people tend to get arrogant when they're leader... when i was leader in my own guild back then, i tried to diminish the differences between officers and normal guildies, such as letting the normal guildies change the cape every now and then, and you'll never see me asking for donations. The officers bought a new guild hall and it's npc's with their own gold.
Atm i'm guildless though, but it's my own choice... i know that i'll always be welcome with them, but i decided to take some time off the guild things... i suggest you do too: take your time, focus on your own chars, be selfish for a change
FalconDance
WoW. I mean, I knew there were bad guilds (just like bad people) but....wow.
Our guild is itty bitty, as in a whopping 6 people. And since Factions came out, there's hardly more than one on at any given time (it's usually me, too). But when we are on "in number", the guildmistress and I check to see how everyone's doing, if anyone needs anything, etc. Our latest member joined us simply because the gm and I backtracked for no reason except to help him out at Shing Jea and then scrounged the mats he needed for better armor. He tried to pay us but we told him that since we were playing casters, it behooved us to have our protector warrior better suited. After we had done several quests and talked quite a bit, he asked to join. Since then, we've quested a few times but real life keeps interfering and we keep missing each other.
For me, that's what a guild should do --- help all the members if possible, be it with quests, missions, materials, extra weaponry (any gold changing hands is between members themselves). And that means all members help all members, NOT free hand-outs at the orders of the leader or officers. I've given weapons and such to people outside the guild when I noticed they were hurting for gold and wielded something not-very-good (and I had a spare) or asked the guildies what they were looking for so I could keep my eyes open. Our gm gives a modest "guild bonus" of gold periodically to members.
But sadly, too many expect free greens, free runs everywhere and showers of gold just because they're show up with their hands out.
Our guild is itty bitty, as in a whopping 6 people. And since Factions came out, there's hardly more than one on at any given time (it's usually me, too). But when we are on "in number", the guildmistress and I check to see how everyone's doing, if anyone needs anything, etc. Our latest member joined us simply because the gm and I backtracked for no reason except to help him out at Shing Jea and then scrounged the mats he needed for better armor. He tried to pay us but we told him that since we were playing casters, it behooved us to have our protector warrior better suited
. After we had done several quests and talked quite a bit, he asked to join. Since then, we've quested a few times but real life keeps interfering and we keep missing each other.For me, that's what a guild should do --- help all the members if possible, be it with quests, missions, materials, extra weaponry (any gold changing hands is between members themselves). And that means all members help all members, NOT free hand-outs at the orders of the leader or officers. I've given weapons and such to people outside the guild when I noticed they were hurting for gold and wielded something not-very-good (and I had a spare) or asked the guildies what they were looking for so I could keep my eyes open. Our gm gives a modest "guild bonus" of gold periodically to members.
But sadly, too many expect free greens, free runs everywhere and showers of gold just because they're show up with their hands out.
callumevans324
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Why join a guild to grind your self, not enjoy your self and be "used"? The whole point of GW and being in a guild is to have fun, not working for someone...bl to OP, try joining a guild with more mature people, not 13 yr olds :/
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I'm 13, leader of a guild thats won guild of the week in the past, top that, lol, i mean for a 13 yr old neway
Stockholm
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-.- what is wrong with been 13 years old??
I'm 13, leader of a guild thats won guild of the week in the past, top that, lol, i mean for a 13 yr old neway |
so you also know what ppl mean when they talk about the average 13 year old's
leela
Wow.
Just goes to show you have to be careful.
I joined a guild about a month ago after leaving a previous guild for personal reasons. Soon after I was promoted to officer. Our guild really has no policies, but as an officer I like to try to help the other members. In fact, just last night we were discussing the fact that we needed a merchant for our hall. (yeah, we don't have much yet). I was planning on saving up to get the merchant myself, but the members surprised me by offering to pitch in. When a member wants to give something away, it's up to them whether they ask for a trade or not.
Getting taken to the hall for a 'conference'??? That's just plain nuts.
Just goes to show you have to be careful.I joined a guild about a month ago after leaving a previous guild for personal reasons. Soon after I was promoted to officer. Our guild really has no policies, but as an officer I like to try to help the other members. In fact, just last night we were discussing the fact that we needed a merchant for our hall. (yeah, we don't have much yet). I was planning on saving up to get the merchant myself, but the members surprised me by offering to pitch in. When a member wants to give something away, it's up to them whether they ask for a trade or not.
Getting taken to the hall for a 'conference'??? That's just plain nuts.
Lexior
I've been in PvE guilds but never saw this happening im like O.o. That's why now i prefer and love PvP guilds. One single goal of the guild fame and rank!
kratic
lol MrScary... you havnt dated around have you? Girls can be worse then guys. A LOT worse. Most are not but you shouldnt trust people until you become friends with them.
Being an officer in my guild we give items to our guildies when they need and when we can. They also ask for help for missions and what not which if we are available we help them. Most of the time though if we are online playing Guild Wars we are already busy doing something else and cannot help them with a mission or whatnot. We also get the guys who once they first join ask immediatly for items, gold, wanting to be an officer, wanting admin on TS and other things which we warn them and tell them the basic rules of the guild; most stay, but some leave (who seem to be "gold diggers" most of the time).
Being an officer in my guild we give items to our guildies when they need and when we can. They also ask for help for missions and what not which if we are available we help them. Most of the time though if we are online playing Guild Wars we are already busy doing something else and cannot help them with a mission or whatnot. We also get the guys who once they first join ask immediatly for items, gold, wanting to be an officer, wanting admin on TS and other things which we warn them and tell them the basic rules of the guild; most stay, but some leave (who seem to be "gold diggers" most of the time).
Mera Regila
Dang... this is why you don't give away items, even to guildies. If you have a new guild, they make you give them things, you should know at this point something is wrong. I'm sorry but I don't have much pity for you, you LET them scam you out of over 250k, giving away so much to a guild you hardly knew. Not giving anything away no matter what is a good philosophy, the guild leader booted you out because they were using you all along to scam money out of you.
Nobody who "needs an axe" should be given a perfect one, rather, a max one with any kind of mods would be enough. GL with guilds in the future.
Nobody who "needs an axe" should be given a perfect one, rather, a max one with any kind of mods would be enough. GL with guilds in the future.
Rera
Frankly, I'm surprised that you could put up with that treatment for so long. I would have dropped the guild the moment anybody asked me for 'donations'. Any 'guild' that requires item 'donations' - particularly high-end, rare-skin weapons - is a scam, not a guild. Never do monetary donations - invest *time* in your guildmates, not *money*.
As for females being better guild leaders than males - remember than many women gamers are attention w****s, control freaks, and just b****es in general. They might not have the same personality problems as male gamers, but they do have just as many problems.
As for females being better guild leaders than males - remember than many women gamers are attention w****s, control freaks, and just b****es in general. They might not have the same personality problems as male gamers, but they do have just as many problems.
Gigashadow
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-.- what is wrong with been 13 years old??
I'm 13, leader of a guild thats won guild of the week in the past, top that, lol, i mean for a 13 yr old neway |
Linksys
Well there's a lot to read and I may get to it. But I read the original post and I'll reply to that. I'm glad you're out of that guild. A guild like that is never worth playing. People should never be pressured into giving items or anything like that.
The last guild I was in, the leader was genuinely nice. He said he wanted to pay for the guild hall things like the merchant and material traders and such. But he also repeatedly asked us to donate gold for it in a kind of passive way. In real life you can recognize this as someone acting like it's not a big deal if you don't comply with their request, but also making you feel bad unless you comply. When I was in this guild, I saved up for a Kuunavang minipet anyways, which was for myself, and so what.
This is one of the reasons why I'm not in a real guild. Another is because the guild thing seems to build this sense of obligation and people going further than they want to in something they're not comfortable with to avoid disappointing others. Or to avoid a situation like quitting a guild and the leader private messaging them asking them why.
Not sure what the solution to this would be, on a massive scale all across GW. But certain things like this occur enough in real life. I don't need it in a computer game.
The last guild I was in, the leader was genuinely nice. He said he wanted to pay for the guild hall things like the merchant and material traders and such. But he also repeatedly asked us to donate gold for it in a kind of passive way. In real life you can recognize this as someone acting like it's not a big deal if you don't comply with their request, but also making you feel bad unless you comply. When I was in this guild, I saved up for a Kuunavang minipet anyways, which was for myself, and so what.
This is one of the reasons why I'm not in a real guild. Another is because the guild thing seems to build this sense of obligation and people going further than they want to in something they're not comfortable with to avoid disappointing others. Or to avoid a situation like quitting a guild and the leader private messaging them asking them why.
Not sure what the solution to this would be, on a massive scale all across GW. But certain things like this occur enough in real life. I don't need it in a computer game.
Hammer Of Theil
dude, i dont wanna be mean or anything, but why did u donate all that stuff? it's yours, and not theirs. plus, if u help so much, u should have been officer anyways. that was a suckage guild, i must agree. But a bit of advice, don't give really worthfull stuff to ppl u dont know, cus it'll only screw u up anyways, unlucky you had this experience, those ungrateful bastards! join a guild where u can actually get help when u need it! i h8 those guilds n im happy im not in 1. GL finding a good guild m8, u deserved it imo
anyways, unlucky you had this experience, those ungrateful bastards! join a guild where u can actually get help when u need it! i h8 those guilds n im happy im not in 1. GL finding a good guild m8, u deserved it imo
Ehrenia
give something away if you think you should, not if others think you should. in my guild we try to give stuff for free but guildies insist on paying something for the items usually
Evenstar
ive been pkaying gw for more than 6 months and have been a member and even an offiecr in a few guilds.
the first guild is what i would like to tell about.
i joined this guild a really long time ago and spent about 4 months.
this guild was never really friendly or helping unless u knew the guild leader and some of the officers in real life or was close friends with in game.
the chance of getting any help with quest\mission in this guild was the same as finding a black dye in ascalon(very little), ppl just listened to you yell and almost always ignored.
i personally never talked to most of the officers or the guild leeder untill i had enough of it and left.
what was the most ennoying aspect of my fellow guild members was an extreme high lvl of snobizm, and chats on the guild channel always looked like a friendly meeting of the few ppl who started the guild and every one else were left out.
l8r we all joined an allience who proved to be not less snobish and ignoring.
the reason why ai left this guild was that one day i logged in just to realise that the guild leader had aanounced that every one who wont donate at least 5k factions will b kicked out and done this in a most discusting way, so i left this guild as soon as i read this!
that left me wondering for a long time why would i join a guild if ill just get a descriminating and arogant treatment.
the first guild is what i would like to tell about.
i joined this guild a really long time ago and spent about 4 months.
this guild was never really friendly or helping unless u knew the guild leader and some of the officers in real life or was close friends with in game.
the chance of getting any help with quest\mission in this guild was the same as finding a black dye in ascalon(very little), ppl just listened to you yell and almost always ignored.
i personally never talked to most of the officers or the guild leeder untill i had enough of it and left.
what was the most ennoying aspect of my fellow guild members was an extreme high lvl of snobizm, and chats on the guild channel always looked like a friendly meeting of the few ppl who started the guild and every one else were left out.
l8r we all joined an allience who proved to be not less snobish and ignoring.
the reason why ai left this guild was that one day i logged in just to realise that the guild leader had aanounced that every one who wont donate at least 5k factions will b kicked out and done this in a most discusting way, so i left this guild as soon as i read this!
that left me wondering for a long time why would i join a guild if ill just get a descriminating and arogant treatment.
Linksys
Wow, I'm surprised there are guilds like this. I would think a leader would feel he/she would have to do the opposite just to keep a guild together. If I was a leader, I'd be trying to keep everyone happy and comfortable so that they actually want to stay. And if they wished to leave, I'd have no problem with that.
Perkunas
I am a leader of a small PvE guild. I and 1 of my officers farm like crazy. We both have extra characters just for storage purposes. When we get a new member, we don't ask them for anythng. I have a 'perma pre' character. This character has plenty of gold and crafting materials. I usually see that the new member has plenty of gold. I have given up to 1k to them in pre. I do what I can to get them the best weapon available and show them where to get their armor upgraded. When they come to post, I help them with materials and gold to get their first set of armor and give them a superior salvage and ID kit. I tell them how to aquire what they need for their next set of armor. In my opinion, getting them through the first 4 missions is a must. No need for a runner to Yak's Bend that way. Then I turn them loose on doing their quests. I have always made myself available to help when they need it.
When they find a rare item that they can not use, I offer to buy it from them at or ABOVE fair market value. I and my second in command always donate to the guild. We ask NOTHING in return. So far, all who has joined us is still with us.
When they find a rare item that they can not use, I offer to buy it from them at or ABOVE fair market value. I and my second in command always donate to the guild. We ask NOTHING in return. So far, all who has joined us is still with us.
BassVII
Wow....never knew there were guilds like that
In my 7 months of playing I have been in 2 guilds, my first one was great, everyone helped each other out and the officers and GL were very friendly, we helped each other out and everything, I made it to officer, a month later though due to some problems the GL had in real life he went inactive for months, eventually the guild died due to inactivity, he had just gotten back a week ago.
My second guild I have been in for 4 months, it is great. We're very active at night, everyone is friendly and barely ask for anything, we all help each other out wehn possible, they give away things like collector items and non rare mats for guildies, they buy everything else from them, usually the sller gives them a discount, we're a PVE based guild, no faction slavers, we're just there to have fun.
Long run on sentence >.>
Considering what you said about the officers and their policy, I think the officers could be his ALT accounts, he would want alot of fow >_>
In my 7 months of playing I have been in 2 guilds, my first one was great, everyone helped each other out and the officers and GL were very friendly, we helped each other out and everything, I made it to officer, a month later though due to some problems the GL had in real life he went inactive for months, eventually the guild died due to inactivity, he had just gotten back a week ago.
My second guild I have been in for 4 months, it is great. We're very active at night, everyone is friendly and barely ask for anything, we all help each other out wehn possible, they give away things like collector items and non rare mats for guildies, they buy everything else from them, usually the sller gives them a discount
, we're a PVE based guild, no faction slavers, we're just there to have fun.Long run on sentence >.>
Considering what you said about the officers and their policy, I think the officers could be his ALT accounts, he would want alot of fow >_>
Crystal Alice
wow. just wow.
i have never heard of guilds doing this before. those people were just scammers and crooks. i would never EVER give away my Urgoz's shortbow either. that's a negative towards all guilds because if other people have that experience, they will not want to join another guild or ever trust another person with their stuff.
personally, being an officer of a guild, i would never ask for rare items or materials to get armour. taking away the things that the members have worked hard for and then sugar coating it to make the stealing sound alright is completely wrong. being an officer means that you will help people out in the game when you can and be an example towards the other members of the guild.
well duh we play guild wars who do you think are the ones buying all of the 15k armours and fow for their characters just to look pretty? lol
i have never heard of guilds doing this before. those people were just scammers and crooks. i would never EVER give away my Urgoz's shortbow either. that's a negative towards all guilds because if other people have that experience, they will not want to join another guild or ever trust another person with their stuff.
personally, being an officer of a guild, i would never ask for rare items or materials to get armour. taking away the things that the members have worked hard for and then sugar coating it to make the stealing sound alright is completely wrong. being an officer means that you will help people out in the game when you can and be an example towards the other members of the guild.
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Females play GW???????????
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who do you think are the ones buying all of the 15k armours and fow for their characters just to look pretty? lol
Maria The Princess
i still dont understand how you could have tough its normal when you first joined the guild???
Lady Lozza
Lol, barring the infighting and soapie episodes that crop up every now and then, my guild seems to work well. Unlike the OP, our (the officers') concern is that new players don't want to join in. We are a very social guild, farming together, doing missions together, Pvping together. Yet so many players who join (and later leave) make no effort to really get involved. Some ask for help, and sometimes when we are in the middle of something we can't give it. But 80% of the time members don't ask for help, then complain about not getting it. As far as sharing/giving weapons and money goes, we use our disgression. There are some members who just don't seem to go away (who get kicked and then some idiot invites back) who will abuse the hell out of those who are only too willing to share with guildies. Our solution nowdays is to keep quite about money and weapon give-aways so that said persons (2 or 3 of them) don't kick up a fuss (get kicked and then re-invited again). Don't ask me about this process, it's just one of those funny things my guild does... :S
Slainster
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Females play GW???????????
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To the topic though, leaving was probably the best thing you could have done, donations should be personal choice, not forced, at least that is how it is in my guild. And as for sponsering your officers FOW armor??!? heck is all i can say!
Maria The Princess
im a female and we have 4 others in my guild
we like it cuz its not only "shoot whatever you see and log off" game
we like it cuz its not only "shoot whatever you see and log off" game
Sofonisba
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I'm a female leader, and when we created a twin guild, the current members voted another woman to lead it.
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Officers required to have FoW armor?
I'm sorry, I've been an officer or leader the entire time of playing GW and NEVER EVER EVER in my wildest dreams would I ask people to help me get FoW armor by giving me valuable things. (Though I might ask people to join me in the hunt for ectos and shards...)
Staying in because one day you too will be officer and all others will bow down and pay homage to you?
I'm sorry, that's just not realistic. An officer is promoted because of their natural leadership qualities and instinctual adherence to the guild's principles, not because of time or money spent. (Offtopic again, but one time we promoted an officer over someone else who had been there longer, that person got huffy and left... I knew then we'd made the right decision in not promoting them!)
Any guild requiring you to front your own joining money (even though it's only 100g), requiring donations (which is an oxymoron), or requiring you to give away valuable things----run very fast in the other direction. LAME!!!
I'm a female leader, and when we created a twin guild, the current members voted another woman to lead it.
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Officers required to have FoW armor?
I'm sorry, I've been an officer or leader the entire time of playing GW and NEVER EVER EVER in my wildest dreams would I ask people to help me get FoW armor by giving me valuable things. (Though I might ask people to join me in the hunt for ectos and shards...)
Staying in because one day you too will be officer and all others will bow down and pay homage to you?
I'm sorry, that's just not realistic. An officer is promoted because of their natural leadership qualities and instinctual adherence to the guild's principles, not because of time or money spent. (Offtopic again, but one time we promoted an officer over someone else who had been there longer, that person got huffy and left... I knew then we'd made the right decision in not promoting them!)
Any guild requiring you to front your own joining money (even though it's only 100g), requiring donations (which is an oxymoron), or requiring you to give away valuable things----run very fast in the other direction. LAME!!!
The Abbott
wow at that guild... I wanna join it just to wind them up with my hoardes of rare items and fow armor,,
Stemnin
LOL, sorry dude, but wtf guild policy to GIVE ectos, shards and stuff, and only the officers get FOW armor, so sorry you got into such a crap guild and stayed that long.
teenchi
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Very nice! I'm going to use some of these ideas for my guild.
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I'm a female and I'm a huge GW addict and a guild leader. We are now up to 6 females in our guild of 70 people. I'm pretty psyched about that. Lots of you good husbands and boyfriends are getting your women into the game.
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Never ever join a guild that makes you give them anything in my opinion.
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I am a leader of a small PvE guild. I and 1 of my officers farm like crazy. We both have extra characters just for storage purposes. When we get a new member, we don't ask them for anythng. I have a 'perma pre' character. This character has plenty of gold and crafting materials. I usually see that the new member has plenty of gold. I have given up to 1k to them in pre. I do what I can to get them the best weapon available and show them where to get their armor upgraded. When they come to post, I help them with materials and gold to get their first set of armor and give them a superior salvage and ID kit. I tell them how to aquire what they need for their next set of armor. In my opinion, getting them through the first 4 missions is a must. No need for a runner to Yak's Bend that way. Then I turn them loose on doing their quests. I have always made myself available to help when they need it. When they find a rare item that they can not use, I offer to buy it from them at or ABOVE fair market value. I and my second in command always donate to the guild. We ask NOTHING in return. So far, all who has joined us is still with us. |
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I'm a female and I'm a huge GW addict and a guild leader. We are now up to 6 females in our guild of 70 people. I'm pretty psyched about that. Lots of you good husbands and boyfriends are getting your women into the game.
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Never ever join a guild that makes you give them anything in my opinion.
Lady Lozza
<-- Female who didn't need her boyfriend to get her into the game. I game (and always have) more than he does Unfortunately he doesn't play I've tried, but he says he can't stand RPGs. :S
Unfortunately he doesn't play I've tried, but he says he can't stand RPGs. :S
Tommy
guild is pretty much meaningless after i have seen my guild leader got both protector title with her henchies.imao. you dont need a guild if you dont pvp. pve doesn't really require a guild in GW.
ANYTHING WILL DO in GW's so called pve. after playing over 16 months of gw. i finally figure that out. and you probably dont need it right after nf is released, you can play with heroes. they do just as good as most pugs. helping out guidies is really time-consuming but not helping will get you kicked out from the guild. once you are good, you know that you can pretty much play on your own, guild will only become your burden. you help ppl out and ppl wont help you back and you can't really help out anyway< well, for what i am doing, they can't>. from my exp, most good old players<i dont consider myself as a good player, so dont flame> in my era dont have a guild anymore, they pretty much play on their own or in some inactive elite guild just to hang out with ppl. GW's pve is way TOO EASY compare to wow and ffonline. i remember my friend with other 3000 players killing a boss in ffonline for over 6 hours:L anway if you just pve dont get a guild, just play on your own. you get into a guild only if you are new and you want some help, if you play this game long enough, you got some money and gears to play around. dont get into a guild. players in GW are just not hardcore enough to make up a real guild, you know what a real guild is? one of my friend's guild in ffonline and wow has a bunch of accountants, they do a so-called booking, this is how they work. you help out a guildie, you got one credit, when you ask for help you lose one credit. you have to help first to get helped by the others. you dont help you dont get helped. ppl are just too selfish in guildwar.
ANYTHING WILL DO in GW's so called pve. after playing over 16 months of gw. i finally figure that out. and you probably dont need it right after nf is released, you can play with heroes. they do just as good as most pugs. helping out guidies is really time-consuming but not helping will get you kicked out from the guild. once you are good, you know that you can pretty much play on your own, guild will only become your burden. you help ppl out and ppl wont help you back and you can't really help out anyway< well, for what i am doing, they can't
>. from my exp, most good old players<i dont consider myself as a good player, so dont flame> in my era dont have a guild anymore, they pretty much play on their own or in some inactive elite guild just to hang out with ppl. GW's pve is way TOO EASY compare to wow and ffonline. i remember my friend with other 3000 players killing a boss in ffonline for over 6 hours:L anway if you just pve dont get a guild, just play on your own. you get into a guild only if you are new and you want some help, if you play this game long enough, you got some money and gears to play around. dont get into a guild. players in GW are just not hardcore enough to make up a real guild, you know what a real guild is? one of my friend's guild in ffonline and wow has a bunch of accountants, they do a so-called booking, this is how they work. you help out a guildie, you got one credit, when you ask for help you lose one credit. you have to help first to get helped by the others. you dont help you dont get helped. ppl are just too selfish in guildwar.
Jupiter Exsurgo
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I also figured out that, if the guild leader is a female, she is more likely to be more trustworthy than a male guild leader, mainly because females, I believe, are less "evil" and won't try to scam their own guildies out of their selfishness.
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And to the post asking the stupid q if women play. Of course they do! I have two in my guild.
With reguards to your post, i really feel for you as you seemed to put alot of time and effort into a bunch of stealing bar stewards.
Ive run a guild since march 06 and have never onced asked for any donation from any guild members.
Tell me why does a guild needs money? or a treasury but for buying the traders etc which are there for every body.
Join a guild that isnt focused on money making, look for the ones that promote community and friendship. I think you'll find them more enjoyable
Matix411
Yeah that's definetly one of the first severe cases of superiority abuse I've heard of in a long time.
Most of the guilds I've joined have either been run by incredibly childish leaders, or the guild was just really inactive and boring.
The last few guilds I've been in, however, have been quite good in terms of sportsmanship, generosity etc. A couple were really good at the beginning, but then a lot of people quit after either the leader quit coming online for prolonged periods of time or because they weren't getting enough out of the guild.
The guild I'm in right now actually, is probably the best I've been in yet. And the leader's first message to me was that if I'm ever promoted to officer, I have to donate a certain amount of faction a week, and if not faction, a little bit of gold towards the guild. But that's OFFICERS. Not only that, she doesn't promote unless the officers are long-time guildies, or frequent PvPers anyway. She's constantly telling the new guys that we don't have to abide by the status message in that we don't have to donate money/faction, because a lot of new guildies seem to think that it's a requirement in order to stay in the guild. But it's not. Only for officers, and if the regulars want to donate as well, they are more than welcome to obviously, as it's a great help to the guild. I think that's how a lot of guilds are run though, but it's a first for me, and I respect the leader's beliefs in a strong guild etc.
But I think that, with the way our guild is run, it's harder for situations like the OPs to happen, and I mean, it's not like they're donating items, but they have to donate something, so at least we KNOW they are donating, and not sitting around harrassing other players for money/items. Which is good.
That sucks though. I would have left months prior to that if I noticed I was the only one that was being really generous. Good faith or not. If I'm in a guild of 50+ people and I'm the only one donating rare items and abundances of gold or materials, I'd either stop doing it or leave straight up.
Most of the guilds I've joined have either been run by incredibly childish leaders, or the guild was just really inactive and boring.
The last few guilds I've been in, however, have been quite good in terms of sportsmanship, generosity etc. A couple were really good at the beginning, but then a lot of people quit after either the leader quit coming online for prolonged periods of time or because they weren't getting enough out of the guild.
The guild I'm in right now actually, is probably the best I've been in yet. And the leader's first message to me was that if I'm ever promoted to officer, I have to donate a certain amount of faction a week, and if not faction, a little bit of gold towards the guild. But that's OFFICERS. Not only that, she doesn't promote unless the officers are long-time guildies, or frequent PvPers anyway. She's constantly telling the new guys that we don't have to abide by the status message in that we don't have to donate money/faction, because a lot of new guildies seem to think that it's a requirement in order to stay in the guild. But it's not. Only for officers, and if the regulars want to donate as well, they are more than welcome to obviously, as it's a great help to the guild. I think that's how a lot of guilds are run though, but it's a first for me, and I respect the leader's beliefs in a strong guild etc.
But I think that, with the way our guild is run, it's harder for situations like the OPs to happen, and I mean, it's not like they're donating items, but they have to donate something, so at least we KNOW they are donating, and not sitting around harrassing other players for money/items. Which is good.
That sucks though. I would have left months prior to that if I noticed I was the only one that was being really generous. Good faith or not. If I'm in a guild of 50+ people and I'm the only one donating rare items and abundances of gold or materials, I'd either stop doing it or leave straight up.