Ranger drok run! (video)

.defekt

.defekt

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hehe Reikai, did the same thing yesterday, except the real runner was actually a nice guy.

I joined up after I saw the runner and the runners friend advertising that they were a "pro droks runner with 100% success rate", and all that kinda stuff.

He died just after the first Wurm cave, and everyone was like "erm, wtf? rezone?" After 30 seconds or so, somebody said "wait... that R/W is running us?" I continued running, and the W/Mo runner said really nice things, like "he's good", "i haven't seen a R/W do it this well for 5 months", "he knows what he's doing", etc. The other people in the group were really nice too, saying that they would pay me instead, but I couldn't take the guys money, and left the group at Rankor.

Hopefully the runner got to Droknars okay, and recieved his cash

Reikai

Reikai

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blah -_- warm blooded hijackers -_-

MirageCloud

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running non forge runs as a ranger, do you still use charge!? i think escape would prove to be a lot better, but i might be wrong.

Wolydarg

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Reikai, I still have no idea how you have no soul when it comes to wammo's >_>

winkgood

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Originally Posted by Wolydarg
Reikai, I still have no idea how you have no soul when it comes to wammo's >_> IMHO, you have to play one to understand one. For the longest time I had a similar hatred and competitive feel towards warriors. As soon as I made my own and played it through, I started appreciating them. Now I play warrior in most of my guild's gvgs. I still love my ranger most of all though and continue to spoil her with expensive toys. However, I still make fun of noob wamos that leeroy jenkins into a fight. But its not a specific animosity towards wamos because I would make fun of a "B/P" ranger in a heartbeat who plays equally noobish.

Its a good idea to try out all the classes. Especially monking since they seem to be a misunderstood and hated class as well. (Probably due to the fact that nobody can get them in their groups)

lordhidetora

lordhidetora

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Originally Posted by Mistical miss
U mean, thunderhead keep-marhans grotto?, you would be surprised


Rangers, can run through the mursaat as well as R/Mo, holy veil versus the imps, smite hex for extra insurance, mending, heal area, dodge, zojuns, healing hands, storm chaser. (Healing hands works wonders vs the mursaats special attack) wilderness is low in this build because you don't need many seconds for storm chaser and you have no troll unguent.



I'm out of inspiration at the moment so sorry for this short post :P (I was planning on a really long one, this time using paragraph breaks)

Btw, Ranger DO have a hard time going past DD when there is more than one heretic + siege golems and other units, but they do manage when its only a small group, you'd be surprised how much a ranger can tank with the help of troll unguent. The + armor vs ele is just so good in the south shiverpeaks that it makes up for the abs rune warriors have.

Rangers take the hits, instead of stripping of the hexes when it comes to droks runs. (But avoid them clearly in the first place)
thank you so much for this.

Reikai

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Originally Posted by Wolydarg
Reikai, I still have no idea how you have no soul when it comes to wammo's >_> because as we all know, rangers can't run droks.

Here i'll tell you why.

After 1 full week of hijacking, I have not seen a single W/Mo capable of making the droks run.

Yet they spam Beacon's Perch aD1 constantly with "Pro runner" and all that stuff.

not only are they taking away potential customers, they say things like "Ranger's cant run droks hahahaha etc." which again, takes away customers.

99% of w/mo's do not deserve to run droks, and I will not stop until all of them are shamed so much they decide to do something else.

As I said to you, I've been running droks about 6 (or so... probably more... like when the SF patch came out.) months and I have only found at *Most* 5 W/Mo's worthy of running droks (in aD's anyway.). 5, out of hundreds.

I will name them here, because they deserve to be named:
Nengir Vampire
Girl of Ohness
Wandering Rose
Neeva Blade
Gale Valen

These 5 are the only 5 i've come accross that can actually hold their own, and are "equal" or "better" than I am.

MirageCloud

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Reikai
because as we all know, rangers can't run droks.

Here i'll tell you why.

After 1 full week of hijacking, I have not seen a single W/Mo capable of making the droks run.

Yet they spam Beacon's Perch aD1 constantly with "Pro runner" and all that stuff.

not only are they taking away potential customers, they say things like "Ranger's cant run droks hahahaha etc." which again, takes away customers.

99% of w/mo's do not deserve to run droks, and I will not stop until all of them are shamed so much they decide to do something else.

As I said to you, I've been running droks about 6 (or so... probably more... like when the SF patch came out.) months and I have only found at *Most* 5 W/Mo's worthy of running droks (in aD's anyway.). 5, out of hundreds.

I will name them here, because they deserve to be named:
Nengir Vampire
Girl of Ohness
Wandering Rose
Neeva Blade
Gale Valen

These 5 are the only 5 i've come accross that can actually hold their own, and are "equal" or "better" than I am. Why? I run with both my warrior and ranger and i like both. 5 out of hundreds "worthy" of running droks? if you make it, you are worthy in my eyes. I did the run 20+ times, and never charged any money, I like to help players. But, I don't think i'm faster then you, so i'm not worthy either I guess.

Reikai

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Originally Posted by MirageCloud
Why? I run with both my warrior and ranger and i like both. 5 out of hundreds "worthy" of running droks? if you make it, you are worthy in my eyes. I did the run 20+ times, and never charged any money, I like to help players. But, I don't think i'm faster then you, so i'm not worthy either I guess. maybe then I havn't met you.

Reikai

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hmmm with the recent update...

I Predict, that Rangers will become the kings of the droks run, and it will turn the other way around, noob R/W's will start coming in -_- ugh.

.defekt

.defekt

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Gah, that would suck :s

Hey Reikai, what do you do about people trash talking in Beacons about you? Because recently when I've been doing some hijaking, and afterwards the stupid Wammos go back to Beacons and spam that I'm a scammer, noob, and all those nice things.

Insert Name Hither

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uuhh i have a lvl 18 R/W and i was lookin in to test runs to droks. i found a test runner and i wanted to tag along to see how well id do. we both did good at 1st. then there was the part where the wurm pops up and is like "ahh ima knock u down so the avicara kill you mrawr!". we both baely passed it and he had most of the aggro atm, so i put up a dodge. i made it passed but he ran into a barbed trap and got eated by the wurm and pinesoul... i made it to some grawls [WAAAAY past the troll cave] and died. i guess i got a bad direction or something.... can someone post up the whole build for me plz? and btw reikai guy, ive gotten many test/free runs from many wammos. theyre nice about it too. its the ones u pay 3k for thatll eat ur money and not give u the decent run....


no paragraph break ftw! ^^

Reikai

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Originally Posted by .defekt
Gah, that would suck :s

Hey Reikai, what do you do about people trash talking in Beacons about you? Because recently when I've been doing some hijaking, and afterwards the stupid Wammos go back to Beacons and spam that I'm a scammer, noob, and all those nice things. take pride.

go do something else, and come back later for further terrorism.

OR

You can just describe how the w/mo died. Laugh at him. Others will probably join you. Make sure to push the fact that you are a R/W and he was a w/mo, and he couldn't make a spawn that you could *not like it matters, but w/mos always happen to like to say badspawn this badspawn that... so yeah >_> just to push it futher >_>*. yeah -_-

.defekt

.defekt

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Bahaha. Exactly what I did. Joined up with a W/Mo, he died at the first Wurm entrance. He then trash talked Rangers, saying that I couldn't make it and all that. Then he left, and I ran the guys to Droks. They were really understandable, and I convinced them that Warriors are inferior to Rangers One guy said that he's going to make a Ranger because I inspired him. Always nice to hear

MirageCloud

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gave the droks run a try on my ranger

i died here...


this is the build i used:

MalVeauX

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Quote:
Here's the correctly link the OP is trying to point to:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...96&q=droks+run
This video isn't even of a Ranger, it's a Warrior. Notice the animation while casting....

Quote:
Originally Posted by winkgood
Weee, another thread that I can add my video to There is considerably less lag in this video although I did hit a few lag spikes.

Once again, the disclaimer: Please don't PM me asking for runs. I'd much rather see you learn it on your own. If you really dont' want to learn and just want to pay someone for a run, get Reikai to do it.

http://files.filefront.com/Q_ForgeRu.../fileinfo.html

Its 75 megs, so don't download it if you are on dialup.

Regarding the debate between ranger and warrior runners. The biggest difference I see with rangers is that ranger runners know they have less armor and as a result are a lot smarter than wamos. Mind over muscle. Why run into the middle of a mob when you can avoid it? Every time I go into FoW for a bit of chest running, this belief gets confirmed as I see wamos running right into agro range of skeleton armies. Then there's the typical "WTF!! REZ ME!!" I have a problem with this video.

A) It's missing parts of the run.
B) It's segmented.

Why this matters: Dreadnought's Drift was completely left out of the video. All other sections of the video were splices. Each with the best possible run through (exceptions are mess ups that were recovered, ie: Trolls, and each with the best possible spawn--it seems.

Now, I believe and know Rangers can do the run great.
But the "evidence" people have provided in this thread so far isn't up to snuff in my opinion.

I'd like to see a non-segmented real run that is clear (ie: you can see the argo bubbles) and not just some spliced low quality video where you can't even see what's going on.

MalVeauX

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Excuse the double post /Delete.

(Thanks to forum having a "problem" and wanting me to "try refreshing.")

Reikai

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Originally Posted by MalVeauX

Now, I believe and know Rangers can do the run great.
But the "evidence" people have provided in this thread so far isn't up to snuff in my opinion.

I'd like to see a non-segmented real run that is clear (ie: you can see the argo bubbles) and not just some spliced low quality video where you can't even see what's going on.

chill, its on the top of my agenda once I get back to Tokyo. I'll get that video up and rolling by the end of next month... which is... when I get back to Tokyo.

.defekt

.defekt

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I'm also making a video of it, will probably have it done by the weekend. Hopefully

MalVeauX

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I'm eager to see the results then, of both.

I have particular interest in a few zones along the run, where the same mob always spawns, but how they're spread out isn't constant. There's always multiple siege golems and/or Heretics present. I'd like to see how a Ranger can go through them, in a single run, without needing a good spawn (or read: not a terrible spawn). One of those places is the Dreadnought's Drift. But there are others before there, that I have interset in seeing as well, though I'll just be patient for the video(s) to arrive.

Hopefully unspliced, unmodified and clear enough to at least make out red(s) and argo bubbles.

Cheers!

.defekt

.defekt

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I plan on making the video a tutorial in itself, but I'm worried about the size of the file. Mal (and others), how big a file (in mb) are you willing to download?

MalVeauX

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Quote:
Originally Posted by .defekt
I plan on making the video a tutorial in itself, but I'm worried about the size of the file. Mal (and others), how big a file (in mb) are you willing to download? Excellent.

Unlimited size. So long as it's hosted somewhere that isn't slower than christmas.

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Here's a bonus question for R and anyone else using the R/W setup

Using R/W, with
Serpent's Quickness
Dodge
Storm Chaser
Charge!
Shields Up!
Balanced Stance
Whirling Defense
Troll Unguent

How is one able to plow through a spawn such as this (even an early spawn):





Notice the spread of the Ice boys. And there's another one, at the bottom. The guiles are spread out. Everyone is spread out. This isn't all that uncommon either. I would call it about 50/50 chance to see something like this.

So how do you beat getting smacked by 2 or 3 slow hexes with zero removal in above build. And even with the tank-the-damage approach, the guiles beat you down with their shadow strikes while the other crawl gang up on you, as the Icy boys ensure you're walking.

Places like this interest me. Because sometimes, even getting past them, it doesn't mean it's so simple every time. And waiting them out, for a good position, can take 10+ minutes since these mobs aren't pathed like Ice Imps. These guys just randomly mule around.

This is the first place, that I have interest in. There are places after this one, that are similar. Such as past this, there's a corridor with more Ice boys. They sometimes spawn and simply stay in the middile of the corridor and there's no way not to go by without being slowed, again, in a pack of guile-rich-crawls. Though it's minor, compared to that particular spawn, and compared to the next one after that:

Dreadnought's Drift. I find that this place isn't a 100% place to run. One has to run half way practically, check out the spawn point of the Heretics, and if they're in the way, turn, run back and re-zone if able. There's just no way to 100% run this area every time with the above Ranger setup. Re-zoning pretty much is required if the spawn is bad. Again, spawns making a lot of difference (for obvious reasons).

Anyhow, I look forward to some good stuff.

Cheers!

Reikai

Reikai

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What I would have done, if I was in the position that you are in the picure, is hug far right, try to get into the little alcove, safely. If thats impossible, keep running, again, still hugging far right.

oh, and get sentry's armor. It helps more than you would expect.

MalVeauX

MalVeauX

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Reikai
What I would have done, if I was in the position that you are in the picure, is hug far right, try to get into the little alcove, safely. If thats impossible, keep running, again, still hugging far right.

oh, and get sentry's armor. It helps more than you would expect. Heya,

That still doesn't mean it would make it. There's at least two hexes here that will be cast on you, before you ever get down that hill in this situation. Hugging the right and dipping into that corner will not get you down the hill either.

And if it does happen to work, at the bottom of the hill is the other Golem waiting to hex you again, assuming you survived this, with your already low health at that point, even with stances/troll engaged.

And as for Sentry's Armor, isn't that Factions only? - Not buying Factions just to have armor

Anyhow, I look forward to some videos of how people navigate through things like this, or if a re-zone is simply neccessary. It would be nice, I imagine, to have a small compilation of the same area, with different spawns, and how they're successfully run. Only a few areas really would benefit this, but it would definitely be a nice tool.

Cheers!

.defekt

.defekt

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Getting through spawns like that is easy. Try to avoid them as much as possible. If you aggro them, don't panic. Chuck on Serpents Quickness then Shields Up, then Balanced Stance, and hit Troll Unguent. You should be taking no damage at all because of Troll Ung., and you won't be knocked down by Water Trident. As soon as Deep Freeze runs out, Charge! out of there.

The best place to stop and heal there is to the left after you go down that little hill. You can see this place on the snippet of the mini-map you posted.

Pjstaab

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Join Date: Jan 2006

R/Mo

I had this awesome person run my necro who was like level 7 run me from ascalon to droks for free. They were a ranger until droks where he was a wamo but he was so awesome at it that i bet he would be a sweet r/w droks runner but i didnt add him to friends.

Mera Regila

Mera Regila

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In The Deep

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Originally Posted by Reikai
all I will say is learn to run boy, learn to run. You ever see a W/Mo tank 10 ice golems and 10 grawl before? Diddn't think so. W/Mo's are squishy, unlike rangers. I will have to disagree here, warriors have more tolerance for physical damage than rangers ever could, and with Sentinel's Armor they have just as much resistance to elemental damage. 13 Strength I believe is needed in the drok running build for W/Mo, 12+1 minor rune or helm.

I do believe a ranger could run Droknar's Forge, but with less garuntee to tolerate bad spawns.

.defekt

.defekt

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It comes down to the point that even without hex removal, which Warriors do have, Rangers can tank it out just as good, or even better. You Warriors can remove your hexes and keep running, while us Rangers tank it out.

Reikai

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nah, it comes down to the point where you don't even get touched by hexes. Warriors need to stop and regen for energy etc.

ranger's don't need to stop at all.

MalVeauX

MalVeauX

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There's a lot of big talking in this thread.

Not touched by hexes, at all?

-- Video, unsegmented, decent enough quality to see mobs on radar.

Otherwise, I'm calling absolute and utter bull-excrement.

Niosisw

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Reikai
I decided to hijack this random W/Mo today, simply because I despise W/Mo's.

So I Hijacked him, and eventually he died near the first worm cave, and I made it past.
I have a funny story too. This 5 year old was talking all this junk right, but he was looking pretty tough, so I kicked his ass. Damn I'm cool I can woop 5 year olds.

Telling all these stories doesn't impress me, you beat crappy runners, good job. Run is a lot easier when you have the wammo tanking lornars....

Quote: Originally Posted by MalVeauX How is one able to plow through a spawn such as this (even an early spawn):


W/mo

Holy veil
Balanced stance
Charge
and then smite hex if you get frozen again.

Quote: Warriors dont need to stop to regen energy, only if they use mending ~~ Witch aint needed, and help a very little, since 6 hp a sec wont help at all X.x The Warrior might need to take a quick rest and hit Heal sig, recharge a skill or 2. But in that time a ranger is tanking it out in the group of enemys behind.. So its not like a good warrior is that much slower than a ranger.

And the fact that a Warrior might be a little slower, is made up in sucess rate..

(Note about Mending: Mending is crap for droks run imo, even Symbol of Wrath give bigger rate of Scuess than Mending, as it helps vs bodyblocking.)











Note About pic: I got DP in Snakes dance cus i needed my Symbol of Warth vs troll body blocking. And in Talus i could have used my Endure Pain..

~Shadow

jagosteel226

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Join Date: Jul 2006

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W/Mo

well. either u r real good or real tricky

but im convinced, rangers are better runners than warriors, however, to me, the droks run is boring and stressful (ive made about 3/7 times on my w/mo). Also i have found that desert runs are much better for profit. Now that people are only paying 2k(3k tops) for droks runs i have found that it is just as good a profit if you charge 400gold per stop at the desert and make 14k per run starting at amnoon and the whole thing only takes about 20-30 minutes if you do it the right way. Another thing about the desert is that the only semi-hard part is the scarabs at the teleporter on the way to augury but these are easily avoidable if you sprint past them behind the teleporter to break aggro. If you charge 500gold per stop which may take longer to get a full group you can make 17.5k. Also, the run can be made by someone without many running skills , the only skills i ever used were charge, sprint, troll unguent, and i used "i will survive" once because i somehow got hit with 8 conditions at once(im guessing traps but i still dont know how i got disease on me)

well anyway to make a long story short imo rangers are cooler and better runners than warriors and imo desert running is more fun than droks.

.defekt

.defekt

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Mal, wouldn't it be easier if we took you on a run rather than making a video?

MalVeauX

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Originally Posted by .defekt
Mal, wouldn't it be easier if we took you on a run rather than making a video? It would certainly be easier, but two of you already stated that videos were to be made.

I would very much like to see two independent videos, like that.

Especially after a bold statment such as "not being hexed" is thrown into the batch.

Because while I know and love that Rangers can do this, there's a difference between can and that. Also, with the way spawns work.

Anyhow, I would still like to see a run completed.
I'd even pay as if it were a normal run to make it semi-worth while.
Perhaps sometime.

Cheers!

Reikai

Reikai

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ready to download 4 gigs?

MalVeauX

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Yeap,

So long as it's not hosted on something that is like 10kbs.

Livingston

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Originally Posted by .defekt
Mal, wouldn't it be easier if we took you on a run rather than making a video? Come on now guys. You both said you were going to make a video, are you backing out now?

Mal isn't the only one waiting in anticipation...

Livingston

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I know mines in progress atm... well... I'm trying to figure FRAPS out.

Gokshano

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Heh, I'm gonna go try this, I've succefuuly ran it with my W/Mo, but i got bored of him quite quickly and went back to my R/Mo... I'm off to change prof to R/W, buy some skills, cap charge and give it a shot...
Originally Posted by Reikai
W/Mo's are squishy, unlike rangers. Yes, warriors with 100 armor vs everything are squishier than rangers with 70 vs everything and 90 vs cold. That makes sense.

And I don't need to stop for energy regen. Ever.

Shadow-Hunter

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Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Reikai
nah, it comes down to the point where you don't even get touched by hexes. Warriors need to stop and regen for energy etc.

ranger's don't need to stop at all.