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MercenaryKnight
Hanego Ategeh
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Queto
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Amadei
). The team still needs to do some work (run amber, grab mines, be a PITA to the Luxons), but bonding is a fairly solid build, and a lot of fun to play as well.
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We synced our entrances a few times and usually managed to at least slow the Luxons waaaayyyy down.
i have done this with a guildie too, out of the 5 times we played together, only 1 time we lost the game. in two of the fights we found a... clever necro... trying to use profane, but i beat his profane with my well of weariness  .during most of the matches i had to go to help the other side while my guildie held the gate.
Queto
So I was defending outer orange and was running back and forth to avoid ele's whole the time, I want to select my bondee and accidentally click my Life Barrier twice =(
Now I learned it is best to select your bondee with Essence Bond, when you double-click that, at least he won't die fast. I teamed up with 4 other monks once, Luxons were SOOOO pissed ^^
Yakumo
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AHA! Time to start Arcane-Echoing Shatter Storm!
MWAHAHAHAHA! And the beauty of those 2 skills? Both are no-attribute skills Playing as a mesmer 99% of the time in Aspenwood, you bloody bonders constantly ruin my ineptitude spamming fun. Bloody good tactic and I'll make ye pay ye filthy land-lubbers! LOL... Glad you think so, as most Luxons hate it when there's a bonder at the gates. We won a game once when all the Luxons left before the countdown timer even got half way. They all kinda suddenly left... erm... right after I did a flex emote. I'm not entirely sure if it's because they recognised my name from the previous match (which we won) as I recognised most of theirs. Hmmm... yes, Nature's Renewal is quite a problem for the Life Barrier {E}, Life Bond, Essence Bond setup. I also use Divine Boon, so I usually end up with 4 pips of degen. The bonds and gate doesn't stay up for long. When I find out that Nature's Renewal and/or heavy enchantment stripping are in play, I tend to ditch bonding altogether and switch to the role of a healer. PS. The clicking on the bond indicators is a nice tip, it's so much faster than trying to hunt around for the bondee.
Amadei
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I deal with Nature's Renewal by yelling at my teammates and giving them dire warnings that with NR or EoE (or both!) up, we certainly won't win. I'm probably annoying the hell out of everyone else, but at least they're properly grateful when we win *g*.
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The clicking on the bond indicators is a nice tip, it's so much faster than trying to hunt around for the bondee.
Yeah, I also found that by selecting your target through the door, you run up to him, which is not good when you have Luxon casters pressed up against the outer gate waiting for you to get in range What I also do now, when I'm forced back to the Green gate, is not only bonding the green gate ele, but also throwing Life Barrier on the master architect already. There's usually enough time to fully regen your energy before the Luxons start pounding the green gate, and it's nice to have it up already on Gunther should your little ele die. I do wish it was easier to tell when Protective Spirit has ended. I usually notice it's no longer up when my ele takes a load of damage -.- Terrible
Most of the time when I bond the gate I run this:
Life Barrier(E) Life Bond Life Attunement - I just want to save them, who cares if they kill people :P Mending - combats poison and some degen(most characters wont take regen into account Essence Bond - energy regen is nice Healing Seed - good to throw on when you need to cast blessed sig :P Rof Blessed Sig Works fairly well for me provided I dont go below 50% - and I usually dont.
Queto
I teamed up with another bonder today and we were pushed back to the green gate, where my fellow bonder bonded the ele and I bonded the bonder. Now THAT was fun, enemy ele trying to kill the bonder, who was in our ele's range, but me, standing out of their range, having no probs keeping him alive
Yakumo
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Life Attunement - I just want to save them, who cares if they kill people :P
That's true, anyone they kill will be rez'ed anyway. As long as they live, the gate stands. Also, you're forcing the Luxons to the other gate. You're effectively controlling them and the map.
 @ Queto: LOL... I bet that annoyed the hell out of them, or simply confused them alot. That's a really good tactic and it works well when you have to fall back to bond Gunther. One monk standing in range of Gunther and the other by the res point out of harms way.I was playing on the Luxon side last night, and was fortunate enough to go against a team with a bonder. I wanted to know what it was like, after knowing what I know now... and it was extremely difficult to take down the gate (acutally, I didn't take it down at all). The game was forced right to the end. We managed to kill the two gatekeepers and just needed one more strike to kill Gunther... but it was not to be. My only thought was that the bonder should have fallen back much earlier, and not let the green gate fall. But he was too busy toying with me, as I was toying with him when green fell. It was a very close game, just one more second, and anyone of us could have killed Gunthar. This is really to recap the importance of 'live updating' and falling back voluntarily, covered in the guide. If he knew the full situation inside, then I doubt he would have wasted his time trying to stop an assassin from getting in.
Amadei
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It's really the same idea with Gunther, but it didn't occur to me. . Saves time, effort and energy in case the Luxons are smart and have brought enchant removal, meaning you probably can't keep your ele alive indefinitely, as is the case when they have no enchant removal (a fellow monk and I both went in with bonder builds one time. She was on purple, I was on orange. Luxons couldn't breach a single gate. That was fun; they also called us "B*tch kurz monks", a badge I personally wear with pride). Quote:
Awww... At least they're talking to you.
I usually don't get any 'useful' feedback, even when I'm asking about the situation on the other side. I just get to know what weapons they wielding. Erm... Gee thanks, that's nice to know. Quote: |
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(a fellow monk and I both went in with bonder builds one time. She was on purple, I was on orange. Luxons couldn't breach a single gate. That was fun; they also called us "B*tch kurz monks", a badge I personally wear with pride).
LOL... Did that last night as well. A guildie and I entered as bonders. Three players left and the team remaining was made up of one ranger, two mesmers, and two monks. The Luxons couldn't take down any of the gates (although there were a couple of close calls). We won, but it was a very long game as no one was able to run amber. I was surprised that none of the Luxons left early... guess they just got a kick out of ganking the mesmers (was alot of mesmer hating going on there, poor mesmers). We didn't get called any names, even though we were taunting them with emotes. Guess I'm still not good enough. >_< Quote:
Yeah, that's a bit frustrating, having to repeat "Do I need to fall back to Green?" four or five times, even after I've explained (using small words) that I'm a bonder (and what a bonder does).
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Yet, the other gates fall and no repairs take place, so you're left wondering what everyone else is doing.
It is at this point you get a chill... and you take a look... and there are Luxons beating on your Green gate guards... and you go, "Oh @^@$@!!!" and then you get that message: "The Kurzick have taken the Orange Command Point". At least, that's always how it goes in my matches. Quote:
Sooo painfully true. The number of gates I've lost due to some ill-timed typing is of the same magnitude as the number of gates I've lost to mesmers.
 Yes, I am still reading... Haven't had much of a chance to bond recently, but I've been spamming Nature's Renewal on the Luxon side with my 'sin to see if that leads to any insights on how to beat that particular pernicious ranger spirit.  ...So far, the already mentioned "scream in frustration at the rest of the team" technique is about as insightful as I've gotten! Quote:
I'll admit that when I'm on the Luxon side I find it very annoying that I can't use the gate locks to let my teammates in.
In practice it's not really practical - you're up against human players, and even the dumbest Luxon pack can figure out how to get out of that unless you get extraordinarily lucky. Repairing the gates and trapping a Turtle behind them is still good strategy, mind, but (a) it's unlikely to become any sort of "lock", and (b) in the final stages of the game it risks letting people chasing amber runners into the Green room. Quote: |
2) how do you deal with a spirit of disenchantment (it removes an enchant on each attack) ?
Ritualists usually don't have the damage output to take advantage of the strip in my experience - and any spirit turrets will have to deal with the elementalist's Unsteady Ground. If it becomes too much of a problem, there's always that ultimate cover enchantment Reversal of Fortune... My Sweet Revenga
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If it becomes too much of a problem, there's always that ultimate cover enchantment Reversal of Fortune... Well that really depends on your ritualist build. I've found channelling to be relatively weak as a damage dealer. But as a rit lord, you can take on either a purely offensive or defensive role. Should also remember that if a rit lord is taking a defensive support role, they don't need to take down a bonder gate on their own. When I first played lux side with my rit lord, we eventually ran into a bonder and we couldn't take it down. From that point on, I brought disenchantment spirit with me just for the bonded gates. The next time I ran into a bonded gate I just dropped the spirit and withing 10-20 seconds we broke through. And the spirit's use isn't limited to just bonded gates as it will contribute to damage, strip enchantments, and add to the confusion our already huge luxon invasion force. I have yet to see an offensive rit lord take down a bonded gate alone. Certainly with painful bond, the damage output of a rit lord is pretty huge. The problem being that it takes a huge amount of time and concentration to get it right. As already stated, unsteady ground (or any aoe dot for that matter) is a big problem for rits who like to pack their spirits relatively close together.
Amity and Truth
I've now tried it from the point of view of a monk. And yes, bonding works really good and most enchantment removers only bring one or two spells thinking that will be enough. It's not.
But i'm having a major problem with one thing. My teammates. Oh boy, i sometimes feel like killing them myself if i only could. I'm bonding a gate, the gate hasn't been breached for a full 5 minutes even the luxons kept on trying and trying and then? Yep... warrior from my Team running towards me, past me, opening the gate and leaving it open while he goes out and "ugh, me smash heads, ugh". Yep. Luxons swarmed in. Luxons swarmed me. Bam, gate lost. And that stupid warrior kept on doing this nonsense until even the last gate was down. This now happens in almost every game i play, some random %"§$"§% goes and opens the gate for them -.-
Caged Fury
Teammates opening a bonded gate and letting the enemy in is sooooo annoying. When I go bonding, I always tell the team at the start which gate I will be bonding and stress to them that they should not open the gate if there are enemies outside it. This seems to help reduce the problem, but only for teams that are clued up on what the bonder is actually doing. There are still times when someone does it but I get to yell at them.
[ADDED] And I agree, it would be great if we could kill our own teammates. Another thing I find myself doing more often is stand by the gate lock, if it is safe to do so, then I get to open and close the thing. It helps amber runners too, when I see them running towards the gate, I open it and let them run through and close it behind them.
Amadei
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But i'm having a major problem with one thing. My teammates. Oh boy, i sometimes feel like killing them myself if i only could. I'm bonding a gate, the gate hasn't been breached for a full 5 minutes even the luxons kept on trying and trying and then?
Yep... warrior from my Team running towards me, past me, opening the gate and leaving it open while he goes out and "ugh, me smash heads, ugh". Yep. Luxons swarmed in. Luxons swarmed me. Bam, gate lost. And that stupid warrior kept on doing this nonsense until even the last gate was down. This now happens in almost every game i play, some random %"§$"§% goes and opens the gate for them -.- Are you sure that guy wasn't sabotaging things? I agree he could be just some moron, but... Anyway, I've had that happen to me. Me, bonding green gate. Me TELLING PEOPLE that I'm bonding the green gate. Them, opening the gate, three times in a row  . An interrupt ranger even managed to sneak in before I could close the gate again, but thankfully, he sucked and I just waited for Savage and Distracting to hit me before recasting Blessed Signet.But damn, I was pretty pissed :P. We did end up winning that match, thankfully. And killing one's teammates? Sign me up for that one, because Lord have I been tempted!
Paperfly
I had a dedicated saboteur about a week after Factions came out, when the metagame hadn't solidified yet and some people still believed a single bonder was automatically game over.
...He patiently explained to me that I was being unfair and ruining everyone's fun by abusing a broken mechanic. He then made a point of politely opening doors to any Luxon who came knocking! I ragequit in disgust the third game in a row I logged onto only to find him waiting there placidly in his solid armour of self-righteousness. 
Amadei
This is not a rant, but something I would like to point out to my fellow Kurzick players: your monk is not a one-man army. There's only so much I can do, and there's also so much I can do against a dedicated Well of the Profane/Gaze of Contempt necro. I've been blamed a few times for a loss, and that kind of irks me. Even if I couldn't keep the gate up indefinitely, I at the very least slowed them down by a lot.
The rest of the team also needs to do something and by "something" I don't actually mean "battle that stance tank" (hey, genius, he's stalling you) or "take that command point" (especially not when Gunther is under attack -.-). I honestly love bonding the gates at Aspenwood, but, other Kurzicks, you have a job to do as well.
Servant of Kali
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I have yet to see an offensive rit lord take down a bonded gate alone.
*raises hand*
Pain, Bloodsong, Shadowsong, Wanderlust, Disenchantment, Dissonance, Painful Bond. This leaves you 1 more spot which you can use for Earthbind, or Rend Enchantments (as you can see, your secondary is free).. or some fun spirit like Predatory Season. Or Gaze from Beyond. With Earthbind, that bonded ele wont even cast Unsteady Ground anyway, and with Dissonance the same. Now, i dont use RLord as you see because i dont need one. Wanderlust is far better. It adds to the dmg of Painful bond, knowdown isnt even important. Again, a good _dmg_ spirit Rt will not use Ritual Lord (at least not in 4v4 or FA). You get no benefit from it. If you take RLord you badly need Boon of Creation. Now, you already use 2 skill slots which i use better ======= ..that being said, just a few words on the topic. I have written a Kurzick guide for FA quite a while ago, on another forum (dont think i copy pasted it to this). It helped the newbies somewhat, but the overall quality of Kurzick FA is... horrible. I even tried bonding, but all in vain. People opening the gate in front of me (not sabotaging, they just... dont understand why it's bad).. then 7 of em not being able to hold one gate, or no one running amber because "it's beneath them". They'd rather pvp. People standing inside the fort "waiting for enemy to get in to pvp em" (hellooo!!). Leechers. Mending users (yes, still..). These are all the reasons why i dont play Kurzick FA. I have tried on many occassions... but no. It's horrible. Im not saying Luxon side is better. Im always horrored by the fact that Luxon players cant dedicate a single skill slot to Rend Enchantments or something similiar. It doesnt fit their build they say, and i wonder how come not, since it's #1 important skill on Luxon side. However, at least if i have enchant removal, we win 90% of games so easily it's a joke. Few games are tedious and sure we might lose here and there, but it happens rarely. Most Luxon games i play while reading forum in the background and i still win. Kurzick games im focused 100%, do my best, but im still beaten quite a lot of time. The map is not balanced regardless of what some people say. Keep in mind i have played it for _months_ and im a pvper in nature, not a pve newbie. Add to that a low rewards for playing in FA, especially on Kurzick side, and i have no reason to play FA anymore. It's not fun for me. |
